I’ll take a Premium in red. My r34 is white, but one I saw this in red….

hangonbig3: I loved the Maxima in its heyday. It’sm still a good car, but it looks too much like its cheaper siblings.

Z06ified: “Damn, how come my raises aren’t increasing as fast as inflation is?” because you ain’t at the top.

Need more oil for GM: “The maxima has usually been a better car than the Grand Prix.
“More Americans would rather drive a well built GM product than a POS import with terrible reliability, cheap quality and poor value.” But more Americans would also rather drive a well-built import than a GM product with terrible reliability, cheap quality and poor value

beatusmongous: “The Maxima, however, is not the ‘POS import with terrible reliability, cheap quality ….’” You’re right.

hangonbig3: dealers are jacking up prices. the buyers should boycott.

Need more oil for GM: “No POS import is worth that much,” but I think MSRP of this car is reasonable.

Now, don’t get this all wrong, because it really is a lot to take. The Viper has 600 HP and 560 lb.-ft. of torque, and it weighs 3,424 lbs. The GT-R has 480 HP and 43 lb.-ft. of torque, and it weighs 3,836 lbs. By those numbers, one would expect the Viper to stomp on the GT-R in the 1/4 mile. But it doesn’t. Why is that? Traction. With the AWD and the electronic assistant features, the GT-R can get a nice jump on the Viper out of the hole, and it has traction to all four wheels. This means it doesn’t spin its tires as much as the Viper does at the start, and therefore it can get through the 1/4 mile quicker.

But when it comes to handling, there’s a reversal. This is very weird, but the things that help the GT-R in the straight line actually hinder it in the area of handling. Yes, it really does handle well. There is no doubt about that. But it does not handle better than a Viper. This is really quite ironic, because you’d expect the Viper to win the 1/4 mile and the GT-R to win in handling, but it’s reverse. Why is that? Traction. The Viper has such wide tires that it sticks to the road like a slot car. The GT-R’s tires just can’t handle the extra weight that the electronic assistant devices and the AWD add to the car. Plus, the GT-R’s tires are thinner, which is actually part of the reason it sprints so well. But it just can’t stick to the road in a turn like the Viper can.

As far as tuners go, the GT-R’s engine is pretty much maximized to it’s potential. They have twin turbos on it already, which I’m sure they will tune it up a bit. I’m also sure the suspension will be tuned, and the V-Spec version will lose some weight. But they will have a lot to do in order to squeeze out seven more seconds on the ‘Ring. The Viper, on the other hand, has no turbos. Not even the ACR has turbos. A tuner may be able to get a couple hundred extra HP out of the GT-R, but people are already getting Vipers up to 1,900 HP with turbos. Nissan won’t push it that far, and neither will Chrysler, because it means a threat to safety and reliability. So expect around 550 HP from the GT-R V-Spec, and 650 HP from the Viper. As far as handling, unless Nissan changes the tires, the GT-R will not be able to handle as well as the Viper.

And then, when the V-Spec gets a 7:21.5, the Viper guy will just shift once during the back stretch.

You really have to watch all three videos. All three of them are amazing in their own way.

Yes, it is true. The Viper, contrary to popular belief, is actually on of the world’s best handling cars. That is why the Viper ACR is currently the ‘Ring champ. It’s not because it has tons of horsepower, or because it weighs so little. It’s because the Viper handles better than just about anything else on the road. Watch the video of the Viper ACR ‘Ring run, and you will see that it certainly wasn’t power that won the title. The guy was hitting the rev limit all the time (and not shifting), and along the long straight in the back of the ‘Ring he simply didn’t shift at all. The Viper won because it has superior handling. Period.

FOR THE PRICE IT WILL MURDER ANY CAR EVENS LAMBOS. AND THATS SAD. AND U CANT EVEN TUNE A FERRARI AT LEAST WITHOUT MURDERING UR BANK ACCOUNT LIKE U CAN A JAP. MEANING U CAN REALLY MAKE THIS GT-R A BEAST…MORE LIKE A MONSTER WITH A LIL INVESTMENT. VIPERS HAVE NO HANDELING. AND THE GT-R HAS ALREADY DEAFEATED THE Z06. DONT U READ MAGAZINES? IM NOT SAYING VIPERS SUCK. OR LAMBOS ARE SHITY. BUT FOR THE PRICE…HOW CAN U SAY A GT-R ISNT A BEAST AT LEAST. GIVE SOME JAPS SOME CREDIT…BTW IM NOT JAP. JUST USE SOME COMMON LOGIC B4 POSTING.

OH AND…ITS KILLIN EVERYTHING ON THE ROAD RIGHT NOW AND ITS STOCK…UR TELLING ALL OF US THAT A STOCK VIPER CAN BEAT A GT-R? IT TAKES VIPER TUNERS IN ORDER JUST TO BE ON FRONT PAGE OF A MAGAZINE. ONLY THING CLOSE TO THIS CAR RIGHT NOW IS THE PORSHE GT-2. READ A MAGAZINE.

AND IF U CANT DO THAT…GO ON YOUTUBE

Not that it matters to me anyways, I’m never going to have the kind of money to spend that a GT-R costs anyway. In a fantasy world where I do have the money, I wouldn’t buy the car that got smacked twice on the ‘ring – the reason you buy this car is because you want a car that’s essentially, as Jeremy Clarkson referred to the Skyline R34, a “50,000-pound Playstation.”

The GT-R does one thing well: translates video game into real life – if you take any credence in what Top Gear says, anyways.

Don’t mind me, I’m no expert, just flappin’ my lips here because I don’t understand why this car, that performs below the Viper and the Z06, costs almost as much as a Viper and more than a Z06. A ZR1 is not the right car to compare the GT-R to. The Z06 is.

If you don’t believe me go to streetfire.net and look up GT-R versus Z06.

But hey Nissan is going to sell every damn one of them so not like it matters…

Now, do the same move on a maxima or whatever they sell, and they could get some backlash as the market for cars like THAT is extremely different that the market for GTR’s, ya know?

I don’t think a dealer would explain to a customer there is an extra 10k on the car b/c they had to purchase special equipment and put their techs through more training because that just sounds like a lame excuse.

As far as I know dealers weren’t forced to make upgrades and sell GTRs.

The dealer buys the cars from the manufacturer, and then they sell them for more money. Therefore, they invest in the vehicles so they can reap the benefits of the investment by selling them to the customers.

It’s not really investing if you’re passing the price off to your customers

No $#¡†! That’s like saying more people would rather eat a grilled flat iron steak over a Big Mac. But GM has a reputation to break, and that reputation is that they sell the Big Mac of the cars. GM has a lot of work to do to kill that reputation, and they can do it. So far, they’ve been doing well.

The Maxima, however, is not the “POS import with terrible reliability, cheap quality and poor value.” And to say it is just that means you don’t know your competition. Prejudice is not good when it comes to sales. Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer…

*disclaimer: Neither I, nor 02WRXPSM, I assume, endorse drunk driving.