To 5.0 or not to 5.0. That is the question Ford keeps asking itself, and the answer keeps changing.

But, I guess it wouldn’t be an auto news day without Ford doing something to its beating-a-dead-horse Mustang line-up.

“The Ford Mustang is still tops in the sports car segment…”

Clearly, LLN, you meant to say “The Ford Mustang is still tops in the muscle car segment…” There’s an inherent difference between a sports car and a muscle car, particularly when referring to any Mustang’s suspension geometry.

i doubt that a new ford 5.0 engine will produce both 400 hp and 400fpt! i bet they are hating their engine line up right now because gm is spanking them

johnny, your wet dreams materialized. What now? Ask domestics terrorists to steal your existing ‘tang and hit insurance company for damages?

Give me a minute Borat, I’m mopping up here…

You gotta figure Ford will put Mustang’s power level somewhere along the lines of Camaro’s. If the 5.0 makes 400/400 in truck guise it should make 20 or so more than that in car tune.

@idrinorbarsaku, I doubt Ford is regretting this decision at all as there is a niche market that can still be lucrative while providing enthusiast what they want. As we enter this energy transitional phase there is an enthusiast window that should prove rewarding. More and more consumers (those seeking transportation versus being an enthusiast) will choose energy alternatives over the standard gasoline powered vehicles leaving more of the dwindling fuel for other purposes until eventually gasoline will be allocated to military usage. It has been alluded to here frequently before—if you want that V8 go and purchase the model you want and live it up while it last! There may not be much residual value in the end, but who gives a damn? Life it short!
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This series of Mustang is proving itself to be excellent. And I sick of those brand-centric who hate Ford, GM or the .25, et al, because they are inbred like “Need more oil for GM.”

Sounds good only if they keep their price points almost the same. I don’t want a GT bumped up over $32k to start. I’d rather they make a GT-S or some level and keep the base GT. Some people without mullets and Poison t-shirts think 315 hp is okay. Considering a 93′ GT had like 225 hp and was fine…

Great! A return to the old high school arguments! I can’t Wait!

“My Camaro is faster than your five-oh”

“wanna race?”

I missed those days….Now, all Ford needs to do is make another 4 cylinder mustang, so ‘tards can return to putting the 5.0 badge on them.

Ford could make a mint on those logos…just charge like 50 bucks a pop.

I also need this….

Mustang has been the best selling sports car in America for 22 years. Name a sports car that sells more than Mustang. When sales data is broken down there is no muscle car segment that I am aware of. So it seems that LLN was correct in their assertion that Mustang is still tops.

All we need now is a picture of Calvin urinating on a Chevy “bowtie”

I wear REO Speedwagon Tee’s with my ‘85 Trans Am thank you. I have a little class.

What is with Ford’s price points anyway? I remember looking at ‘05 Mustang GT Premiums FULLY OPTIONED for around $28,000, with everything available. Now I look, a semi optioned GT without even leather is like $31,000? What the heck?

I have a question: Is this new 5.0 moniker simply a rounded 4.9L? I remember the spec’s, in the age of Vanilla Ice, had it listed as a 302 c.u. V-8.

Ice Ice Baby

ALL HAIL THE OBAMSTER, KING OF THE FREE WORLD!!!!!!!

Are you trying to be funny ktulu, or serious about Obamster?

It’s kinda funny, because that’s what people are making it as, he’s a king although Presidents have less power than Congress. Thank you constitution.

It’s great the American muscle cars haven’t died off.

Yes, congratulations Mr. Obama!

Mustang = Yes

Obama = I’m sick of the mindless monkeys like ktulu

So will the next 5.0 still be too slow?

400 HP and 400 lbs-ft of torque is nothing to be shy about.

They will die off thanks to people like Mr. Obama. You remember the stuff that happened in the late 70’s that took us years to overcome?

So Congrats to Mr. Carter, er, I mean Mr. Obama.

Yes, Jakek66, everyone knows it was Obama’s fault that oil hit $147 a barrel and pump prices topped $5 in some areas. Hell, I’m sure the 70’s oil crisis was Obama’s fault, too. Everything’s Obama’s fault. I wouldn’t be surprised if he sneaked unto GWB’s bedroom and whispered “invade Iraq” over and over into the cowboy’s ear while he was sleeping, so he’d wake up and, well, invade Iraq.

@sequoia- The Mustang V6 is not a sports car in MY book. Anything I can beat with my 1989 Camry V6 is NOT NOT NOT NOT a sports car. I’ll give you V8 Mustang sales, but the base Mustang is really quite flaccid.

rds130- “particularly when referring to any Mustang’s suspension geometry.”

Tell me and be honest, have you sat in the last generation Mustang, or been driven in the new one? Your so childish ridiculing a car that may have an old suspension set up, but you’d never notice it if you gave it a chance. New and old, I can say there’s barely any axle hop, pot hole bumps or uncomfortable cambering going on. So who cares about non IRS suspension when the difference is negligible? Your saving some money, and getting some straight line performance as well.

Let the Obama slandering begin, even though he’s only been in office for… five hours and 12 minutes as of now. As I’ve said before, he’s not my favorite, but you make such a damn fool of yourself, especially after talking about how America are “sheep”. Your the real sheep.

so why did Camaro ever drop the Z28 moniker? To me SS still reads top of the line version of the Camaro, now they have two levels of it…

In that sense, wouldn’t the GT Mustang be competing with the 300 hp V6 LT Camaro and the GT500 Mustang against the SS Camaro.

Not to mention the SRT8 Challenger would be the competitor to the SS & GT500… while the R/T would be competing with the GT & LT…

Please learn me on this…

In the end though… I won’t bitch about 400hp & 400lbft… bring it on!

It’s actually kind of sad that we Americans, being as super smart as we are, NEED eight cylinders to make 400 horsepower, a figure that can be achieved with six cylinders no problem.

Thunder Chicken,

You make some interesting points, I think you maybe on the right track. But I never said any of those things, that’s nothing about what I am saying. It’s his congressional friends that included himself who pushed for fuel economy standards that the FREE MARKET can produce by itself, it doesn’t need a big brother to look over them. Sheesh, Gas for 5 dollars a gallon? Guess what? It’s 35 bucks a barrel, and staying low without a jump in sight. If it does again, we’ll have more effecient cars thanks to the automakers, not the government.

Shane Train,

Look at the below article on the F-150, Ford will and has done it with a 6 cylinder. We don’t NEED a 8 cylinder, dang, read these articles. We CHOOSE the V-8s becasue of it’s other benefits, low end power and its soundtrack. We darn Americans aren’t so dumb now are we?

No, we’re not all dumb, but if we can make less with more, then why not? It’s soundtrack? The “soundtrack” of most cars on the road today are the responsibility of the exhaust system. The benefits of a V6 outweigh those of a V8 of equal power. Weight, fuel efficiency, responsiveness, flexibility, engine compartment space for turbos etc, and on and on and on

Well, the turbos are part of that 400 hp V-6 equation, and as I know from owning several, and currently driving one of the best 4 cyl Turbos produced, they are not the smoothest operators out there. V-8s on the other hand don’t have to rev as high making their comfort levels better in larger vehicles, and low end power of the V-8 is still unmatched. Turbos also produce whine that while some like, doesn’t attract the Die Hard muscle car fans who like the rumble that V-6’s can’t produce no matter their exhaust system, why do you think Ford put a sound tube coming from the engine on this new Mustang and not the exhaust?

Now me? I would take the V-6, but the benefits of a V-8 still exist. Ask Mercedes/BMW/Audi/Lexus/Infiniti why they still use them even when they all have great I6’s and V-6’s.

Of course the eight has benefits. I just think that they belong in larger cars. I mean, the Mustang is chubby, but that’s not what I mean, a V8 is at home in a sedan that has both luxurious and sporting intentions. These cars can enjoy all the benefits of an eight. Smoothness, power, prestige, etc. Though I’m no fan of Pontiacs, the G8 comes to mind, and the Charger, etc. And what good is rumble when you’re getting beaten by a faster car?

Martha Stewart “It’s a Good Thing!”

Shane,

I agree with you, just don’t try to push it on those muscle car fans, a V-6 turbo Mustang may be better at everything, but they couldn’t sell them at the same price. The Mustang itself is not for the kind of buyer who thinks like us, honestly. That’s why the Z is built, same as the 135i and the new Camaro V-6 and so on. I love the Mustang, I’ve wanted a red one since I was a little kid, but the V-6 is so miserable in it, I won’t buy one, and the V-8 is a gas hog and the insurance is horrible on it. But I’m not the buyer they want, I’m the buyer VW-Nissan-Mazda wants. Ford seems to be doing OK marketing to their market as it is, so I won’t argue with it.

This news story captures the essence of why Ford sucks, and why this former Mustang guy is now a die-hard Camaro guy. Ford gives Mustang only the bare minimum that Ford can get away with to achieve its marketing goals for this segment. Camaro, on the other hand, gives and gives and gives. Not only that, but Ford’s reputation as a serious contender in the muscle segment is so weak that in order to effectively market an uber-Mustang, it has to license the Shelby name. GM, on the other hand, can effectively market uber-versions of both Camaro and Corvette without any third-party licensing arrangements.

^ Ford GT. Uber-dumbass.

Yeah!!! Ford is bringing back the most overrated POS ever!!!!

Now all the fag’s with their pink shirts and popped collars can ride around giving each other road head while I smoke their ass in my brand new Challenger R/T.

Im sensing a vibe that those Camaro fans that were rejoicing at the fact that the new mustang only had 315 hp and were lighting up the forums about how superior the camaro is now are scared. lets review. Base camaro 300 hp v6 – for the same price…315 hp Mustang gt that can whip its ass. Next mid level cars…camaro 400 hp…mustang 400 hp pretty even match…Now the big dawgs. Camaro 422 hp Mustang GT500 540 hp…no comparison. And it has already been said that the new mustangs interior is “superior” to the camaros cheap feelin dash. Who’s laughing now Camaro Fanboys…HAHAHAHAHAHA,,,ya in know now there gonna say well we have IRS and the mustang has live axel…but you know what i dont really plan on racing on the nurburgring any time soon. the irs aint gonna help you when you lookin at my mustangs sexy new rear the whole race.

Ford Rules plain and simple.

and this is for shane train. my girlfriend has a 2006 mustang v6 and can smoke the **** out of an 89 camry…it will run with a new one so i dont know what you have been smokin but do some freakin research before you post on here man.

Tritonpower5.4, you are a sheep ****ing rednect faggot. ANY fuking car can whip an ‘89 camry you dip****.

“Now the big dawgs”. Is that a load of cum in your mouth or do you have that southern drawl?

What kind oa guy says his car’s “sexy new rear”. Go pop the collar on your pink polo shirt and take your gay cowboy ass back to Broke Back Mountain.

Please forgive HRR, he’s run out of pain medication after his mullet implants.

You guys need to learn the facts or stfu. For instance Triton is rather well misinformed. The 300hp V6 Camaro is competing against the 210 whatever V6 Stang. The SS which has 426 hp ls3(manual) or 400hp ls9(auto) is competing with the Mustang GT v8 315 hp. That’s it. If a Z28 comes out it will most likely have 550hp LSA which sounds to me like more than 540hp, as well as it wont be 2 tons of ****. If you are comparing price a 43,000 GT500 isnt quite the same price as 31,000 SS. Gt500 is practically in Corvette territory, and lets face a factory corvette will win every time factory mustang GT500 any day of the week. But seriously if we are talking tritonpower logic the ZR1 will destroy a mustang GT and hell itll smoke the **** out Ford GT. But hey good for ford coming out maybe with a real deal engine.

All I can say is it’s about god damn time. They should have put a 5.0L in it years ago.

I hate to remind all the Mustang lovers, but even 500 hp will not help the Mustang. Just look at the performance figures for the Shelby Mustang GT500 to figure that out. Unless Ford changes the way they get power to the ground and spend more money on a 6 or 7 speed transmission, it will never keep up with any of its competitors. At these hp levels, you have to have a good suspension design and Ford has ignored this fact for way too long.

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Naturally, the supercharged V8 feels immensely torquey right from bottom end, but it doesn’t feel as powerful as its horsepower figure suggested. Blame must go to the 1778 kg kerb weight. That cast-iron block, supercharger kits, gearbox and bigger brakes put nearly 200 more kilograms to the car compare with the 4.6-litre Mustang GT. Road test result by Car & Driver confirmed this: it took 4.5 seconds to do 0-60mph, over 10 seconds to 100mph. Plus, top speed is regulated at 155 mph to avoid embarrassed by the 0.38 drag coefficient. The GT500 breaks no speed record. If there is any, it must be “the world’s slowest 500-horsepower performance car”.

for HHR. I am a cowboy and ther aint nothin wrong with it. Just remember when you talk **** about us, If it werent for us you wouldnt have that steak dinner on your plate oh but wait you are probably one of them tree huggin, tofu fartin, pussy ass vegatarians from the city. The fact that you drive ah HHR is a dead give away.

Jake K66

Actually the Pres. has more power than Congress =

Through a no to any legislation or Veto, or the pocket Veto (The Pres. just dosn’t sign the legislation and Congress adjournes, killing the legislation).
If Congress overrides his veto with a 2/3 majority vote the Pres. can always use the power of the Executive order.

Other examples -

Only the Pres.;

Can order a joint session of both houses.

Can give you a pardon or cummute your sentence in all 50 states and D.C .

Although only Congress can declare war and controls the money, the Pres. is the Commander in Chief so guess who will be directing ALL braches of the millitary including the Rep. or Sen. home state national guard units if nessary, thats right the Pres. Mr.B.H Obama.

Congress has some cosiderable weight, but all of congresses declarations require more than 1 individual backing them to make it past a vote , and then still need the Pres. signature to make them law. Not so for the Pres. See Executive order.

God Bless America !

I’ll be waiting for some independant dyno runs or 1/4 times before I call the reincarnation of the 5.0L a success for Ford. After the “99″ cobra engine power rating fiasco, and the fact that ford refuses to rate their engines using the newest SAE testing, I need proof of all Ford power figures.

rds130 your gonna be eating your words buddy. In terms of performance there is very little in terms of performance with your 650 HP Vette. were talking tenths of a second! in both 0-60 and 1/4 mile.

Mustang is a True American Sports car. IT does whip every Generation of Corvette except for the last year ok and that’s it. Killer Eve. we are just starting with 540HP for the base model Mustang GT500 the Mustang GT500KR will probably have in Excess of 600HP+ and I would say that’s is hmmm maybe 100 HP more than that little 550HP camaro of yours.

I absolutely love looking at the New Plumbing on the new Ford “Coyote” Engine its really a work of art. Blakkarr I agree with you for a change in that I too hope to see a Mustang with not only an IRS and AWD (Much more robust than the GT-R Vspec- a Great Lauch Control system,Dual Clutch system (Dry if it is indeed the fastest shifting) and All Aluminum Block, Titannium Valves,and Bring the weight down to the most competitive levels for a sports car say 2,500 to 2,750lbs, LED LAMPS, and a Knight Rider type computer that talks to the Driver! Ok that is far fetched.

But seriously, I want them to sleeken the Mustang while Perserving the Mustang Heritage styling cues they have brought back from the 1964 to 71 Mustangs. The Top end Model should be like the GT-R aiming to be the World Fastest Production Car. I think the time has come for the Mustang to take its rightful thrown as the World Fastest Production Sports car. And that should either be call the Mustang GT500,
Mustang GT500KR, or simply the Mustang Knight code named Pegasus!

In the Code named Pegasus Version of the Ford Mustang I want other than the Coyote. I’ll take a couple of Pratt & Whitney F119-PW-100 afterburning Turbofan engines in Mustang. Take off like a Harrier!

I was just scrolling through and Im having a hard time understanding the arguements here.
Jake66 you wrote earlier you were concerned over price points for the Mustang in comparrison to the camaro. I believe the mustang will be cheaper due to the fact that GM isnt even trying to place their new camaro in the same bracket as mustang anymore. The new camaro with all of its high tech features and suspension prowess will of course be the more expensive vehicle. GM does give and give and give thats why the camaro went AWOL for the past decade cant build an awesome car and sell it for nickles and dimes.

ShaneTrain your gripe about the writer of this article stating that a mustang is a sports car, is lame. Actually it doesnt matter what the mustang is because it still sells. You did give kudos to the V8’s but the bulk of the money Ford made off of mustangs were V6’s. Why, because V6 stangs are priced so much lower than the compettion. Do you really think that a 300HP V6 camaro with IRS will sell for the same low price as a 210HP V6 mustang with a solid rear end. I think not, mustang will prevail because parents wanting to buy their teenagers a cool car without breaking the bank will go with the cheaper of the two, Mustang. You also stated that we americans are so smart because we have to have V8 to make high HP numbers while others make the same numbers with 6cyl. Lets make this very clear, 6cyl’s will never make the low end torque that 8cyl’s will. Besides a V6 making 400HP obviously has sometype of power adder to it, probably adding to the larger price tag of vehicles that house a 400HP V6, BMW, Mercedes, Audi, etc. Its cheaper to build a V8 engine that makes 350HP than it is a 400HP 4 or 6cyl.

Howsmydriving Ford is a business and they havent made it this far if they didnt have some type of idea how the market works. It would be a massive financial mistake if Ford built an all out awesome Mustang, they could, they really could and it would be so sweet, but it would cost, it would cost so much that the Mustang’s fan base would turn their backs in search of cheaper excitment. Though you turned your back anyway you should have kept the faith in Ford. Camaro’s life hangs on by a thread and could slip under the guillitine at anytime which by the way the economy is headed camaro may be making a exit as soon as it arrives.

Tonkatoytruck your one of the millions of people who base their decisions about a vehicle strictly on numbers. Strictly number talk here yes the GT500 is heavy and slow when compared to $80,000 or $100,000 vehicles. The mustang was never meant to be some kind of super exotic, sports touring, nurimburgring carving peice of machinery. The GT500 doesnt need 6-7 gear tranny, or a electronic controlled magnesium supsension why because its a production vehicle for the average driver. Why the hell would Ford build a vehicle that could break the sound barrier if the majority of its time are on highway and city streets. The 500HP is sweet but its all that low end torque that makes the car FUN to drive, emphasis on fun because thats what mustangs are for, having fun. Besides you can purchase GT500 for about $40,000 to $80,000 less than cars with comparable HP numbers.

Mustangs have proven their worth over the past 40+ years. They are and will always be the number 1 selling sports car/muscle car, which ever you prefer, in America. Now, eat that bow tie bi****!

idrinorbarsaku

u need to get ur facts straight i know this is an old post but i mean why wouldnt the 5.0 make 400hp its a stroked 4.6. its going to have a bigger set of heads and some minor upgrades. it doesnt take much to gain hp if you know what your doing and ford is not hating on gm. how can ford hate on a company that doesnt exsist anymore. they may have a 400hp camero but they dont have the money to produce it. just thought i would get that out there

clutch plate man i couldnt of said it any better myself

It appears that most of you guys are off your rockers. Mustang is a good car and made for a segment of the market that keeps it going. The Camaro is a good car and time will tell if the new one will support itself. As far as HP and torque, numbers are nice but the package is what is important, and important to purpose of the vehicle. As you can tell by my moniker, I own a 2000 Mustang Vert, V6 turbocharged. running at 395 rwhp. For some of you that is approx 460 at the engine. Yes, I can take the factory GT’s even the new ones, and with a 6. If I had the 8 I could most likely end up with 600+ rwhp.Similar things could be said for the Camaro. Now about handling. Straight line quarters, Mustang good, but it can’t keep up with the handling of an IRS car. Ford knows that IRS is not what Mustang buyers want to pay for, Look how the Cobras IRS just didn’t get any real market share. So really the HP/torque is great numbers, but if you don’t have the suspension and design, it really doesn’t matter, for those of you say it does, well let us get a sweet blown V8 and put into a Pinto or Vega and you have an HP/torque monster, but can’t do much with it can you? Concerning the “sports car” thing. The Mustang is not a “sports car”. It is a muscle car and for those that want to argue, go back and discover the history behind the muscle cars and why they are purely Detroit. They do get into the GT class by virtue of badging, but really they are not Grand Tourismo cars either.Yes, the Corvette is a sports car and it doesn’t compete against the likes of Mustang, Camaro, Trans Am, etc. I have driven Porches, Ferrari’s, Audi R8 and the Vet. Their handling and response is far superior to that of the Mustang. The Camaro is better, but no that close either.Bottom line, the vehicles are designed and marketed for different purposes. Just as a street racer can easily be been by a hill racer in the hills, and a either the Mustang or the Camaro will miserably loose in a Le Mans against a Le Mans car. See, they were designed for different purposes. Understanding that HP/torque is not the only measurement in defining the car.

I own a Mustang vert because of a back seat and can mod it to be descent commuter, otherwise, I would get a Vet, or Ferrari vert. For you newbies, which it sounds like many of you are, to pure muscle car hp/torque, these new cars really don’t compare to the real muscle of the blown V8’s of old, but the new care do have a lot of tech to refine them from being such awkward horses of the old days.

So why both sides are “right” each is just as “wrong”.

Get real and buy the car for it’s purest purpose, being the car to define the driver and the driver being both knowledgeable and respectful of their car. The true Muscle Car or Sports Care enthusiast knows it is the right blend of engine, chassis, suspension and body and not the badge on the tail.

One last comment, as far as the Mustang has come, reality is, it is still powered by decades old technology and chassis, which is what keeps it’s price in the entry level for consumers, so the sales numbers are high, but understand that by that being the facts, it will never be a “refined” sports car, but really is that that Mustang owners really want?

Howsmydriving-
“This news story captures the essence of why Ford sucks, and why this former Mustang guy is now a die-hard Camaro guy. Ford gives Mustang only the bare minimum that Ford can get away with to achieve its marketing goals for this segment. Camaro, on the other hand, gives and gives and gives. Not only that, but Ford’s reputation as a serious contender in the muscle segment is so weak that in order to effectively market an uber-Mustang, it has to license the Shelby name. GM, on the other hand, can effectively market uber-versions of both Camaro and Corvette without any third-party licensing arrangements.”

Howsmydriving,

If GM so effectively markets their “uber-versions” then why do they have to keep scrapping their cars and rebuilding them from the ground up? Why do they not sell as well as the Mustang? Do you really think that letting a legend like Carrol Shelby put his name on your Mustang is a bad thing? Come on now, so what you are a former ford man.. I could care less, but at least get your facts straight. Ford is the best at marketing because THEY DO NOT HAVE TO MARKET. The car sells itself, people ride in one, want one, people see one, want one, people test drive one, want one. They know how to build a fast affordable and fun car, simple as that.

As a current 2002 Mustang GT owner I can safely say I’d rather have the current one piece rear-end than a IRS setup for what the Mustang is made for. There is a reason there are 03-04 Cobra owners going on web boards asking newbs to trade them their one piece for their IRS cobra setup. There is a reason that the 99-2002 F-body twins were regularly putting Ford single rear ends on their cars. Ever try to launch a IRS stock rear end at any amount of decent RPMs? Wheel hop to here and back. There is a REASON that Ford has kept the single in the new Mustangs. IT’s because the FANS requested it. The only people that are complaining are people that want a mustang for looks, or magazine editors. If you are wanting a track car for the twisties.. there are cheaper/smaller cars to be had for such a thing. As far as GM beating the Mustang with it’s Camaro now.. Motortrend seems to disagree.

Those of you who have already picked up your July 2009 issue of Car and Driver know that a 2010 Ford Mustang GT beat a 2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS and 2009 Dodge Challenger R/T in a three-car comparison test. Actually, just walking by the magazine rack at your local bookstore would allow you to see the winner–C&D announced the results as part of the cover blurb.

“The Mustang won despite having the fewest horsepower because, as Aaron Robinson writes, “If the world is shrinking, so, too, perhaps, should our muscle cars. The Mustang makes it stick with less–less tonnage, less stare-at-the-dancing-bear flamboyance.”

This is the 2010 Mustang. When the new 5.0 GT comes out with 375/400 HP weighing 1000lbs LESS than the Camaro, GM wont have a chance in that department either. Right now it’s only .4 seconds faster, and even with a single piece rear end, it still handles better than the IRS setup of the Camaro.

That’s the 2011 GT I am talking about. Ford’s lower end performance car. (I don’t consider the V6 camaro or mustang to be performance cars how they sit) The Cobra will continue to obliterate and be King of the Road it is now with the Pony cars.

As far as people claiming that the V6 Camaro will beat new Mustangs.. no. My practically stock 2002 GT has taken 2 already. They do mid 14s in the 1/4 mile.. Nothing to write home to mom about. A Dodge Neon SRT-4 would fly past it.

“Now about handling. Straight line quarters, Mustang good, but it can’t keep up with the handling of an IRS car. ”

That is simply not true. It beats the new Camaro with a IRS in handling.. it’s skidpad is a lot better as well.

“Ford knows that IRS is not what Mustang buyers want to pay for, Look how the Cobras IRS just didn’t get any real market share. ”

Most Cobra owners I know want to get rid of their IRS. Ironic huh?

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Why can’t i have a GT mustang with 450 HP with a Auto Tranny?

Its about time ford decided to get rid of the 4.6 and put a real motor in the mustang 5.0 is the only way to go

Test drove a loaded SS camaro 6sp today. nice car but seemeed slow for a 428 HP car. Fealt slower then my 99 SS camaro, As much as I was impreesed by the camro and liked it ( and as much as I have a huge grudge against ford for carsi boiught in the 80s that had serious problem they would not fix under warranty.

So as much as I dspise FoMoco for treating me terribbly it seems the 2011 mustang is gonna be THE car. Much lighter then the camaro with similar HP and Tourque.

The SS juts doesnt seem Fast and feels much sloiwere then ny 2002 corvett withy just 350hp from an LS1.

Lighter Mustang with superioir handling, arguably better styling, visibilty and 415 HP and a few hundred pound less should make for a Monster stang that beats the camaro by quite a bit in the 0-60 and 1/4 mile and handle as well or better then the competition

THis 415 HP GT ( if they dont adda bunch of weight. Is poised to be the best amrican bang for the buck car that will hang with or destroy the BMW M3s and other expensive foriegn carts

Add a bolt on suppercharger kit and you should have a 500 plus HP car that competes with super exoctis and cars like th Z-06 for 1/2 the price or more.

This car if they dont make it a fatty it will be the best bang for the buck car ever.

Listen Bord i mean Ford fans. Im happy you guys can finaly come out of hiding now and face us chevyboys but i dont think you realise that your $50,000.00 dollar GT500 outruns our $30,000.00 Camaro SS by only POINT 1SEC so tell me do you think Ford is gona actualy make there mustang GT outrun there big boy 500??? I dont think so thats like the V6 Camaro being faster than the SS version….just not gonna happen. And think about it ford boys the GT500 has over 100hp more than the 10,000.00 cheaper CamaroSS and still can only outrun it in the quarter by only POINT 1SECOND, thats pretty damn lame if you ask me. Face it until they learn how to put it to the ground the musk-stang will continue to get its ass kicked by CAMARO like it allways has since the sixties. NICE TRY THO “lol”

Ford is going to make the new GT outrun The GT 500 and then they are going to make a new GT 500 that will outrun that. That means Chevy will have to do something to the Camaro SS. Maybe they will remake the Z28. These are the new Pony Car Wars and the collateral damage will be our wallets as we make our choices. Competition has always been good for the breed and we can see the improvements in their quest for our money.

Well the HENNEESY CAMARO is allready in production and the new Z28 that has the same supercharged engine as the CTS-V has once again been given the goahead for production wich has allready been produced and due to be sold around the mid 2011 model year, each version is pushing well over 500hp to the rear wheels….so again “good try Ford” LOL.

Saw the 2011 Mustang 5.0 last night at Omaha Auto Show. Will be available this summer. 412 hp and about 390 ft-lb of torque. 300 lbs lighter than Camaro or Challenger . Some minor suspension changes but same exterior as 2010 model. 11:1 compression ratio and six speed transmissions. 0-60 around 4.5 to 5.0 sec. Should be fun.

Can you say Z28??!! Ooops didnt want to send you ford guys back in to hiding again. “SORRY ABOUT THAT”

ford is also changing the v6 its a 3.7 L dohc with 305hp and 280 lb-ft of torque. the 5.0 is rounded up from 4951 cubic centimeters the old 5.0 was 4942 cc. the compression ratio is 11.0:1 all numbers are for my car and driver mag.

zank frappa bmw m3 is a 4.0L that is producing 414 and it has a 7 speed and weighs 3704 lbs for the coupe and 3726 lbs for the sedan

but other ford to look out for is the ford focus rs and yes i know what your thinking but its a 2.5L inline 5 which is supposed to make around 300 hp so 4.6L mustangs and v6 camaros watch out for the little hatchback