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I was a little upset when Chevy quit making the Camaro and Pontiac (RIP) stopped making the firechicken. Not that I liked the cars all that much, more like — If Ford had the market cornered on Pony Cars, they could make and sell whatever they wanted and we had to sit back and suck on it. Or buy rice burners — Which is like kissing your sister. It might be fun, but you can’t brag about it.

Yeah, General Maintenance made a bunch of Camaors and firechickens from the mid 70′ through the early 90′s that resembled Pony Cars. But that’s all they did — Resemble them. They were JUNK, fellas. Pure and simple. Junk. 455 CID motors that produced a whopping 220HP? C’mon. Ford sat it out and I don’t blame them. At all.

The mid 90′s happened and Pony Cars were re-born. Boo-Yah. Good for us. We could buy under-powered, under-performing Stangs or over-powered, under-performing Camaros and firechickens with dashboards that more closely resembled your Grandma’s dining room table. Yecch.

Boring stuff. Like you guys need a history lesson. But the point is this — Since Chev-it-or-leave-it and Dodge got back into the game, Ford has to actually produce something. Something people want. Something people can brag about. Something that Chevy and Dodge have to worry about. Chevy and Dodge will respomd. Count on it. Believe it.

Now we can sit around on our ‘puters and bench race. We can talk more stuff, invent more BS than is imagineable. Most of it’s BS, most of it’s nonsense, most of it is opinion.

Ford, Chevy and Dodge all competing and the winner is — Us.

P.S. The Ford GT(40) was the greatest car of all time. Hardly over-rated. It sent Ferrari, Porsche, Mercedes, Porsche, Jaguar, BMW, Lamnorghini — All those Euro-weenes home, talking to themselves. It was the world’s first ‘SuperCar’. Do some research into why and how Henry decided to go to Europe and wax the Euro-Weenies butts for them. Pretty interesting.

zank frappa bmw m3 is a 4.0L that is producing 414 and it has a 7 speed and weighs 3704 lbs for the coupe and 3726 lbs for the sedan

but other ford to look out for is the ford focus rs and yes i know what your thinking but its a 2.5L inline 5 which is supposed to make around 300 hp so 4.6L mustangs and v6 camaros watch out for the little hatchback

So as much as I dspise FoMoco for treating me terribbly it seems the 2011 mustang is gonna be THE car. Much lighter then the camaro with similar HP and Tourque.

The SS juts doesnt seem Fast and feels much sloiwere then ny 2002 corvett withy just 350hp from an LS1.

Lighter Mustang with superioir handling, arguably better styling, visibilty and 415 HP and a few hundred pound less should make for a Monster stang that beats the camaro by quite a bit in the 0-60 and 1/4 mile and handle as well or better then the competition

THis 415 HP GT ( if they dont adda bunch of weight. Is poised to be the best amrican bang for the buck car that will hang with or destroy the BMW M3s and other expensive foriegn carts

Add a bolt on suppercharger kit and you should have a 500 plus HP car that competes with super exoctis and cars like th Z-06 for 1/2 the price or more.

This car if they dont make it a fatty it will be the best bang for the buck car ever.

That is simply not true. It beats the new Camaro with a IRS in handling.. it’s skidpad is a lot better as well.

“Ford knows that IRS is not what Mustang buyers want to pay for, Look how the Cobras IRS just didn’t get any real market share. ”

Most Cobra owners I know want to get rid of their IRS. Ironic huh?

Those of you who have already picked up your July 2009 issue of Car and Driver know that a 2010 Ford Mustang GT beat a 2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS and 2009 Dodge Challenger R/T in a three-car comparison test. Actually, just walking by the magazine rack at your local bookstore would allow you to see the winner–C&D announced the results as part of the cover blurb.

“The Mustang won despite having the fewest horsepower because, as Aaron Robinson writes, “If the world is shrinking, so, too, perhaps, should our muscle cars. The Mustang makes it stick with less–less tonnage, less stare-at-the-dancing-bear flamboyance.”

This is the 2010 Mustang. When the new 5.0 GT comes out with 375/400 HP weighing 1000lbs LESS than the Camaro, GM wont have a chance in that department either. Right now it’s only .4 seconds faster, and even with a single piece rear end, it still handles better than the IRS setup of the Camaro.

That’s the 2011 GT I am talking about. Ford’s lower end performance car. (I don’t consider the V6 camaro or mustang to be performance cars how they sit) The Cobra will continue to obliterate and be King of the Road it is now with the Pony cars.

As far as people claiming that the V6 Camaro will beat new Mustangs.. no. My practically stock 2002 GT has taken 2 already. They do mid 14s in the 1/4 mile.. Nothing to write home to mom about. A Dodge Neon SRT-4 would fly past it.

Howsmydriving,

If GM so effectively markets their “uber-versions” then why do they have to keep scrapping their cars and rebuilding them from the ground up? Why do they not sell as well as the Mustang? Do you really think that letting a legend like Carrol Shelby put his name on your Mustang is a bad thing? Come on now, so what you are a former ford man.. I could care less, but at least get your facts straight. Ford is the best at marketing because THEY DO NOT HAVE TO MARKET. The car sells itself, people ride in one, want one, people see one, want one, people test drive one, want one. They know how to build a fast affordable and fun car, simple as that.

I own a Mustang vert because of a back seat and can mod it to be descent commuter, otherwise, I would get a Vet, or Ferrari vert. For you newbies, which it sounds like many of you are, to pure muscle car hp/torque, these new cars really don’t compare to the real muscle of the blown V8′s of old, but the new care do have a lot of tech to refine them from being such awkward horses of the old days.

So why both sides are “right” each is just as “wrong”.

Get real and buy the car for it’s purest purpose, being the car to define the driver and the driver being both knowledgeable and respectful of their car. The true Muscle Car or Sports Care enthusiast knows it is the right blend of engine, chassis, suspension and body and not the badge on the tail.

One last comment, as far as the Mustang has come, reality is, it is still powered by decades old technology and chassis, which is what keeps it’s price in the entry level for consumers, so the sales numbers are high, but understand that by that being the facts, it will never be a “refined” sports car, but really is that that Mustang owners really want?

u need to get ur facts straight i know this is an old post but i mean why wouldnt the 5.0 make 400hp its a stroked 4.6. its going to have a bigger set of heads and some minor upgrades. it doesnt take much to gain hp if you know what your doing and ford is not hating on gm. how can ford hate on a company that doesnt exsist anymore. they may have a 400hp camero but they dont have the money to produce it. just thought i would get that out there

ShaneTrain your gripe about the writer of this article stating that a mustang is a sports car, is lame. Actually it doesnt matter what the mustang is because it still sells. You did give kudos to the V8′s but the bulk of the money Ford made off of mustangs were V6′s. Why, because V6 stangs are priced so much lower than the compettion. Do you really think that a 300HP V6 camaro with IRS will sell for the same low price as a 210HP V6 mustang with a solid rear end. I think not, mustang will prevail because parents wanting to buy their teenagers a cool car without breaking the bank will go with the cheaper of the two, Mustang. You also stated that we americans are so smart because we have to have V8 to make high HP numbers while others make the same numbers with 6cyl. Lets make this very clear, 6cyl’s will never make the low end torque that 8cyl’s will. Besides a V6 making 400HP obviously has sometype of power adder to it, probably adding to the larger price tag of vehicles that house a 400HP V6, BMW, Mercedes, Audi, etc. Its cheaper to build a V8 engine that makes 350HP than it is a 400HP 4 or 6cyl.

Howsmydriving Ford is a business and they havent made it this far if they didnt have some type of idea how the market works. It would be a massive financial mistake if Ford built an all out awesome Mustang, they could, they really could and it would be so sweet, but it would cost, it would cost so much that the Mustang’s fan base would turn their backs in search of cheaper excitment. Though you turned your back anyway you should have kept the faith in Ford. Camaro’s life hangs on by a thread and could slip under the guillitine at anytime which by the way the economy is headed camaro may be making a exit as soon as it arrives.

Tonkatoytruck your one of the millions of people who base their decisions about a vehicle strictly on numbers. Strictly number talk here yes the GT500 is heavy and slow when compared to $80,000 or $100,000 vehicles. The mustang was never meant to be some kind of super exotic, sports touring, nurimburgring carving peice of machinery. The GT500 doesnt need 6-7 gear tranny, or a electronic controlled magnesium supsension why because its a production vehicle for the average driver. Why the hell would Ford build a vehicle that could break the sound barrier if the majority of its time are on highway and city streets. The 500HP is sweet but its all that low end torque that makes the car FUN to drive, emphasis on fun because thats what mustangs are for, having fun. Besides you can purchase GT500 for about $40,000 to $80,000 less than cars with comparable HP numbers.

Mustangs have proven their worth over the past 40+ years. They are and will always be the number 1 selling sports car/muscle car, which ever you prefer, in America. Now, eat that bow tie bi****!

But seriously, I want them to sleeken the Mustang while Perserving the Mustang Heritage styling cues they have brought back from the 1964 to 71 Mustangs. The Top end Model should be like the GT-R aiming to be the World Fastest Production Car. I think the time has come for the Mustang to take its rightful thrown as the World Fastest Production Sports car. And that should either be call the Mustang GT500,
Mustang GT500KR, or simply the Mustang Knight code named Pegasus!

Mustang is a True American Sports car. IT does whip every Generation of Corvette except for the last year ok and that’s it. Killer Eve. we are just starting with 540HP for the base model Mustang GT500 the Mustang GT500KR will probably have in Excess of 600HP+ and I would say that’s is hmmm maybe 100 HP more than that little 550HP camaro of yours.

Actually the Pres. has more power than Congress =

Through a no to any legislation or Veto, or the pocket Veto (The Pres. just dosn’t sign the legislation and Congress adjournes, killing the legislation).
If Congress overrides his veto with a 2/3 majority vote the Pres. can always use the power of the Executive order.

Other examples -

Only the Pres.;

Can order a joint session of both houses.

Can give you a pardon or cummute your sentence in all 50 states and D.C .

Although only Congress can declare war and controls the money, the Pres. is the Commander in Chief so guess who will be directing ALL braches of the millitary including the Rep. or Sen. home state national guard units if nessary, thats right the Pres. Mr.B.H Obama.

Congress has some cosiderable weight, but all of congresses declarations require more than 1 individual backing them to make it past a vote , and then still need the Pres. signature to make them law. Not so for the Pres. See Executive order.

God Bless America !

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Naturally, the supercharged V8 feels immensely torquey right from bottom end, but it doesn’t feel as powerful as its horsepower figure suggested. Blame must go to the 1778 kg kerb weight. That cast-iron block, supercharger kits, gearbox and bigger brakes put nearly 200 more kilograms to the car compare with the 4.6-litre Mustang GT. Road test result by Car & Driver confirmed this: it took 4.5 seconds to do 0-60mph, over 10 seconds to 100mph. Plus, top speed is regulated at 155 mph to avoid embarrassed by the 0.38 drag coefficient. The GT500 breaks no speed record. If there is any, it must be “the world’s slowest 500-horsepower performance car”.

“Now the big dawgs”. Is that a load of cum in your mouth or do you have that southern drawl?

What kind oa guy says his car’s “sexy new rear”. Go pop the collar on your pink polo shirt and take your gay cowboy ass back to Broke Back Mountain.

Ford Rules plain and simple.

and this is for shane train. my girlfriend has a 2006 mustang v6 and can smoke the shit out of an 89 camry…it will run with a new one so i dont know what you have been smokin but do some freakin research before you post on here man.

Now all the fag’s with their pink shirts and popped collars can ride around giving each other road head while I smoke their ass in my brand new Challenger R/T.

I agree with you, just don’t try to push it on those muscle car fans, a V-6 turbo Mustang may be better at everything, but they couldn’t sell them at the same price. The Mustang itself is not for the kind of buyer who thinks like us, honestly. That’s why the Z is built, same as the 135i and the new Camaro V-6 and so on. I love the Mustang, I’ve wanted a red one since I was a little kid, but the V-6 is so miserable in it, I won’t buy one, and the V-8 is a gas hog and the insurance is horrible on it. But I’m not the buyer they want, I’m the buyer VW-Nissan-Mazda wants. Ford seems to be doing OK marketing to their market as it is, so I won’t argue with it.

Now me? I would take the V-6, but the benefits of a V-8 still exist. Ask Mercedes/BMW/Audi/Lexus/Infiniti why they still use them even when they all have great I6′s and V-6′s.

You make some interesting points, I think you maybe on the right track. But I never said any of those things, that’s nothing about what I am saying. It’s his congressional friends that included himself who pushed for fuel economy standards that the FREE MARKET can produce by itself, it doesn’t need a big brother to look over them. Sheesh, Gas for 5 dollars a gallon? Guess what? It’s 35 bucks a barrel, and staying low without a jump in sight. If it does again, we’ll have more effecient cars thanks to the automakers, not the government.

Shane Train,

Look at the below article on the F-150, Ford will and has done it with a 6 cylinder. We don’t NEED a 8 cylinder, dang, read these articles. We CHOOSE the V-8s becasue of it’s other benefits, low end power and its soundtrack. We darn Americans aren’t so dumb now are we?

In that sense, wouldn’t the GT Mustang be competing with the 300 hp V6 LT Camaro and the GT500 Mustang against the SS Camaro.

Not to mention the SRT8 Challenger would be the competitor to the SS & GT500… while the R/T would be competing with the GT & LT…

Please learn me on this…

In the end though… I won’t bitch about 400hp & 400lbft… bring it on!

Tell me and be honest, have you sat in the last generation Mustang, or been driven in the new one? Your so childish ridiculing a car that may have an old suspension set up, but you’d never notice it if you gave it a chance. New and old, I can say there’s barely any axle hop, pot hole bumps or uncomfortable cambering going on. So who cares about non IRS suspension when the difference is negligible? Your saving some money, and getting some straight line performance as well.

Let the Obama slandering begin, even though he’s only been in office for… five hours and 12 minutes as of now. As I’ve said before, he’s not my favorite, but you make such a damn fool of yourself, especially after talking about how America are “sheep”. Your the real sheep.