direct inject the hell out of it, Ford.

Don’t forget to add Ecoboost along with DI!

Y is there a pic of a V8 GT on this post???

Anyway, it takes ford a little longer than most, but little by little they are correcting their mistakes and bringing competitive products to the table

The 4.6L is not dated, having been released in the 1990’s. It’s a smaller version of the 5.4L which is considered one of the best engines that Detroit has ever built. Both are powerful, fuel efficient, easy to produce and work on and very easy to get more power from with little changes.

This actually could turn out to be a real sleeper if there is such a thing when it wears a Mustang skin. If they get this close to the Camaro’s 304hp with and maintain their 300lb weight advantage it should be a lot of fun. Plus we get the 3.7 mated to a manual and RWD. If they keep the price in line it could be quite the bargain.

Payton, most of posters here are younger that this engine. You are younger then 4.0L V6 (which was 2.8L before and I believe derived from European Ford 2.8L V6) .

or they low-ball the 6 to ~280hp to match the power/weight ratio of the camaro instead of leaping ahead…if that’s the cheaper route they might just compete on price with equal performance…

Dated???? The Camaro has a engine that dates back to 1955 (A great engine neverless) The entire concept of the pony car can be called dated..In fact, I think I’m dated…..

I’ll buy it if you put the 3.7L in it Ford! I’ve been waiting for this since 2005, while I can’t afford the V-8’s insurance and gas, but I just couldn’t get over the 4.0L thrashyness. This means that it will get a 6 speed auto too, making it both more economical and faster in everyway than the current 4.0L. The other thing I wanted them to do is paint/style the side mirrors to not look like a truck – and they did it!

That’s one guaranteed sale, so just do it!

I’m still waiting on the EcoBoost Mustang. Twin-turbo that baby already.

why not use the same engine that the taurus sho has??

Jake, you just made Johnny puke.

Nah, I’m sure Johnny appreciates someone else wanting to buy a Mustang, no matter what kind it is.

idrinorbarsaku – because no one wants to pay $30k for a base Mustang. It would cost too much right now to put that engine into a Mustang and not be a GT. Give them 5 more years and the costs of ecoboost will go down to make it an affordable option for the Mustang. I’d be pretty darn happy with the 3.7L right now, that’s plenty of engine for this car.

Is the new Camaro engine not still a 3.8L?

why the hell would they keep a this engine in there then when the camaro has 300hp standard??? In 5 years, the sho engine will seem outdated!

A twin turbo v6 mustang could make the 8 obsolete, Raineman.

3.7L v6??

in mustang terms, that’s good for 150bhp

idrinorbarsaku -Don’t be hatin on Ford when they haven’t even released what the output is going to be, or when it will get it. It maybe over 300 if they put direct injection in it. For right now though, they want that 3.5L ecoboost to be exclusive to high-end cars and not for the base rental car stock Mustang. If you want more, then go buy a GT – that’s what it is there for. How hard is that to understand? Sheesh.

Well…it’s about time Ford did something right…even if it is a year late.

Borat, that almost never happens unless someone invites Mr. Tequila to the party.

Jake, you’re absolutely right on both counts.

shane, a twin turbo V6 option in addition to the V8 would be interesting. A twin turbo V6 instead of a V8 just might have the same effect as Mr. Tequila.

I know alot of guys would love to see another 5.0 Stang, but the 4.6 gets it done. My 09 Bullitt is the basis for the current 2010 GT. 315hp with 3.73s ends up being quite a combo performance wise and I still get around 24mpg on the highway…although stoplight to stoplight it is slightly closer to the advertised 14.

As for the V6 I agree they need to update, but I dont think theyd sell many GTs if the V6 had simular power. Guess I could make a contradiction to my previous statement and say they should bump up to the 5.4 in the GT.

Cocojoe53: The Camaro V8 doesn’t date back to 1955 at all. While many people, magazines included, like to call the current crop of GM V8’s “small blocks”, they have absolutely nothing in common with the old mouse, except cylinder count and maybe bore center measurements. The block and heads are completely different and no parts interchange. In fact the LSx head design has more in common with the Ford Windsor small block than it ever did with the Chevy.

The current GM V8’s date back only to 1997, when the first LS1 showed up in the C5 Corvette.

Mulletmaster: The current Camaro’s V6 is a 3.6 liter direct-injected DOHC. It has nothing in common with the old 3.8.

idrinorbarsaku, Ford keeps the current engines in the Mustangs because as history has shown, and indeed as certain recent magazine comparison tests have shown, the more powerful car is not neccessarily the better one. Camaros have always had more power than Mustangs, but Mustangs have always outsold them. That’s why Camaro went bye-bye in 2002. The only difference is that this time around it appears that Ford is actually (and hopefully, for nothing is certain until the cars are in the showrooms) going to make the better car even better.

You’re correct in your statement that the SHO engine will seem outdated in five years though. Sadly, you’re not correct for the reasons you think you are. With 35MPG CAFE looming and $3+ gas coming on us again, we’ll all look fondly on current cars just as our fathers look fondly on 60’s muscle. The SHO will be obsolete in five years the same way a 426 Hemi was obsolete in 1975 – it was just too good to last.

unfortunately, time doesn’t always repeat itself! The new camaro has beaten the new mustang, read all the reviews and comparisons! 270hp in a muscle car doesnt cut it! I was looking forward to the mustang because i thought they would jump the hp to at least 300 base, but I came out disappointed! HP is not what killed the older camaro, it was looks! Cars will always look to have more hp, so no, you were wrong about,
“Sadly, you’re not correct for the reasons you think you are.” just because they will have to meet new mpg rating doesnt mean they will give up on power! the CAFE laws are not as strict as people believe they are, not every single car has to meet its specifications. If you have a base mustang that meets it, then you can have another mustang with a bigger engine that won’t have to meets it. There are many different things also depending on what kind of cars it is.

idrinorbarsaku, you obviously haven’t read the last C&D. Quit making sh*t up.

JakeK66,
who wouldn’t pay 30k for a mustang with 360hp with a lighter engine??? that’s just dumb not to and complain about it being too expensive!

of course you would pick car and driver, the only magazine that has written something good about it in it!!
Did you forget about motortrend, consumer reports, and Edmunds…all of which pick the camaro

I don’t care what you like more, because I would honestly pick the mustang myslef(I have had enough of gm for my lifetime), but the camaro does have better stock engines!

idrinorbarsaku –
Then offer it as an option, I’m saying it shouldn’t be the base engine because it’s a volume model that costs around $20k. If they have a 3.7L for around what it costs now no one should be b!tchen’ The V-6 is a volume model than many people who don’t care about performance buy – like some women – and the 3.7L would appease them and people like me who want an affordable coupe with a pretty darn good V-6.

Motor Trend cares too much about what a car does at speeds that will only get you and I arrested. Consumer reports I wouldn’t use to line a bird cage. I haven’t read Edmunds but I will look for it.

The Camaro V6 is unquestionably better. The SS V8 will kill the ‘Stang at triple digit speeds and beyond but, again, how often are you going to use that capability?

that’s all I was talking about! I just want ford to give the mustang a better base engine that will have more power compared to the camaro’s v6. I have a feeling that the mustang will always be dissed by all those camaro fan boys making fun of the still-in-use 210 hp 4.0 engine. they will never here the end of it!

i like the idea of using the sho engine in the mustang, however how close would that be to the new 5.0 engine in terms of performance. I say use it for 400 hp and the 5.0 should have 600hp

I would have wanted the TTV6 ECOBoost making 400+ hp. Save the V8 for the GT500. Unless this “Bobcat” Engine makes a tech infusion on the “Coyote” engine, I would like my performance with a side order of “Better F/econ”

The Mustang is shaping up to be the car to beat in this category. Even the much newer, more up to date, CAMARO is lagging a bit in, as hard as it is the believe, handling. It’s like the MUSTANG is the PORSCHE 911, always mostly the same, happily iconoclastic, always improving, and tough to beat. Hint: Spend the extra $1300 and get the Track pack.

I almost don’t want IRS in the next MUSTANG, but you know it’ll need it. Meanwhile, a better engine, please.

Camaro > Mustang. Always has, always will, as long as you have people with the name of “Ford” occupying important positions at Ford.

Camaro > Mustang in terms of performance. Always has, always will.

Mustang > Camaro in terms of sales. Always has, always will.

Go figure.

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Now for my personal opinion: Nissan is getting over 300hp out of an NA 3.7L V6. Why doesn’t Ford do the same? Maybe they should do a lower power V6, same size, and then do a middle-of-the-road version with a 300hp V6, and then go to the GT.

Between Mustang and Camaro, I’d choose the Challenger if I could. I saw a new Camaro on the street the other day, and it looked like a big Tonka toy with it’s big grin of a grill. The Mustang is nice, but it’s too familiar and it’s everywhere. To me, the Challenger just looks hot.

The current 4.0 is a legacy to Ford’s rank-and-file neglect and poor management
Anyone who buys that over a V6 Camaro is truly a MORON!
Thank you
DrFill

I stand corrected….sort of…it is the same basic OHV V8…very old tech. I am old school. A V6, no matter what the advertized HP, will never sound like a V8. The 370Z sounds very trashy at high RPM’s. Those of you who wonder why the Mustang will always outsell the Camaro, read the curret issue of Car & Driver.

Ford’s Modular Engine is so not outdated. It hasn’t been run without improvement since 1990 watever. It is a constantly advancing motor. I’ve had 2 4.6L Tbirds, and both were faster than the SHO V6 i tried out, took regular fuel, and got alot better fuel economy(22/30+). A new cool 3.7L DOHC MPFI V6 would be cool, but nothing is like a V8. V6’s suck, If Ford really wanted to refine and advance the Mustang, they’d throw the barra 4.0L inline six in the mustang. Gobs and Gobs of low end torque + efficent 6spd trans = Fun yet fuel efficent fun!

Can always count on “Dr. Phill” to bash Ford and call people names…maybe your the moron Dr Fill?? Try to keep on the subject Doctor..

EGGcellent! Though I wonder why they (Domestics generally) always stick to a V-design, why can’t they build a bulletproof I-6 and be done with it? And don’t tell me it won’t fit in the damn engine bay, a good engineer (which Ford has plenty of) can work his way around that limitation and MAKE it fit.

Borat- The 4.0 V6 is a very far related cousin to the former 2.8 used in cars like the Bronco II, which the 2.8 was related to the 2.8 Europe engine but both are very, very different.

And the basic design has evolved over… 40 years? This almost definitely is one of the oldest designs out there, with the 4.0 pushrod dating back atleast 20 years… Only difference between that and the current one is fuel injection and being SOHC!

jd
Read the article!
If you can
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If you have Ford stock, don’t take it out on me, bud
DrFill

Dr. Fill,
Ford stock is actually not a bad thing to have. it went from around $2 a share early this year and on now hovers around $5.50 to $6 a share.

The 4.6 in the current mustang is only shares displacement with the early 4.6Liters. Updates have added 3 valve heads and variable valve timing. This engine loves boost and you handle 600 horsepower and more with the stock block easily. Great engine!

About freaking time they considered replacing that old “lead” block engine. 3.7liter… nice. Don’t see the need to jump to a bid V8 so I wouldn’t mind seeing the 3.5 Turbo V6 as an option too. While they’re at it, please update the suspension. That one of the few things holding the Mustang back as a modern contender. Chevy and Dodge have done it.

Dr.Fill is still bitter because Ford laid him off from his janitor job at the assembly plant 10 years ago. Don’t fret doc, there are plenty of jobs out there for a monkey such as yourself. Keep your chin up bucko.

Dr Fill- “read the article, if you can” ….At least you only called me “bud” this time…I like Bud. But people that buy the 4.0 motor in an LX version don’t give a sh$t about performance. They want the look of a Mustang. I’m sure you would like nothing more than every car company to fold except for Toyota, and then everybody would be so, so happy. But the fact is that Ford is reinventing themselves. The others are getting bailed out and limping along on 3 cylinders. Thats why they hired a CEO from outside of their industry…outside the box. Don’t count Ford management out yet, and their customers are not “morons” for not wanting a Camaro and its “tow away” feature. Oh yah, and at sticker for those Camaro smart buyers. Look at the fit and finish on the NEW 2010 Mustang VS 2010 Camaro. That tells the story, not the engine. Dr Fill, just try to comment on point and not be so, well, you know…like a jerk. I know its hard for you, but not every story can be about Toyota’s superiority.

Well played. By the way, Toyota is garbage Dr.Fill. The only good thing they have going for them is Lexus.

when ever thing is all said and done the mustang is the better car with many improvements … the 3.7 liter v6 will push the car higher into the playing area with the other cars… go ford i may buy a v6 mustang now …

beatusmongous @ 06/16, 8:51p

The Camaro was never really that much stronger to persuade buyers which to buy. You just had to want one. But it has been an occasional subject of discussion as to why the Mustang has lasted without abatement, while GM had to close the F-bodies and make fans wait this long for the new car. Why the MUSTANG is much more popular than the CAMARO or the FIREBIRD.

No one ever thought of either the CAMARO or FIREBIRD as Mullet-mobiles, only import flamers do, just to get that out of the way.

FORD has always just been better about supporting the MUSTANG while GM has always been more in favor of the CORVETTE. As a Result the MUSTANG gets more AD money and more exposure. FORD was also very quick to let third parties build tuner cars and parts for the MUSTANG. The F-body’s list was very short and unremarkable.

Their may also be something in the name. Even though CAMARO has not suffered the same emasculation that plates like “MONTE CARLO”, “REGAL”, and “IMPALA” to name a few, I often argued that the name “CAMARO” sounded odd and unimpressive worse it was not a word that sounded tough. Heck, it means “shrimp” in Spanish (or was it Portuguese?) and “friend” in French. Not the most robust sounding of names.

MUSTANG is just a strong sounding word with a powerful image attached to it. If it isn’t a wild Horse running fast and free, it is – at least to me – the P-51 Mustang warplane of WW2. It is a car after all, not a horse.

CAMARO is a name, in the World automotive lexicon, filled with history speaking of high performance, always the MUSTANG’s principle rival and nemesis. But to the vast majority of people who buy cars, it is just a rather wimpy sounding name that does not fit what is otherwise a car that deserves a good looking over before passing it by. The CAMARO is not quite as refined, I use that word as a relative term, as the MUSTANG. But it is, on balance, at least as good.

Now the Challenger…

“Camarón” is “shrimp” in Spanish. So “Camaro” must be in Portuguese or one of the other Latin based languages. And yeah, it doesn’t sound as tough as Mustang.