havent we heard this “blue devil” story about 7 times already? its old news

Sweet!!!

Ok it’s nice but not really that big a deal. Making 600 HP with a big displacement is just not that difficult. So now the stealers can tack on the 10 to 20 grand to each one. GM needs to update the base more to bring the car to world class. That would do more for all.

Inevitable really. Not my taste but for some it’s the equivalent of an automotive orgasm.

I could still beat it in a 10 foot race.

without a car

Hmm…so is this gonna get close to a 3 s 0-60 time?

The car’s major champion is Goodyear tire. Is burnt rubber bad for the ozone?

Wow. The corvette’s output has nearly doubled in the past several years. It’s a big horsepower race, and it’s getting pretty rediculous if you ask me. Just a pair of old men(CEOs) stretching their balls out to see who’s got the bigger ones.
After Chevy comes out with their 600hp vette, Dodge will up it with an even more powerful 700hp model, then chevy will answer back with a 800hp Z08, Dodge snaps back with a supercharged viper with a V16 engine that makes 1500hp. Bugatti will get offended and they will put 4 more turbos and 6 more cylinders in their future Veyron and so on.
Hey Lutz, instead of spending so much money on the engine to make the Vette faster, why not ship each car over to europe to get a interior makeover. Maybe THEN the car will be “world class”.
This horsepower race is so stupid in my opinion.
I know alot of people will criticize me for this comment, but Dodge & Chevrolet could learn something from companies like Porsche & Lotus on how bigger displacement isn’t always best solution for getting a car to perform better. Blah blah, here we go…::puts flame suit on::

Ah Andre, it’s so nice to see intelligent comments. (ducks behind Andre’s flame suit)

i was at a chevy dealer this weekend and the dealer markup on the z06 was $19,999.00 i wanted to puke, 20 grand markup, gm should clean house first starting with their rip off dealers, even when gm builds something rite the dealers screw it up, 20 grand come on already, you can go get the porsche turbo and save money. the total was $99,999.00. At that price it beats most other cars, but puts it too close to the refined competition. the sad thing is i really do like gm.

It’s all about HP per liter, the Germans and Italians know this.

Jon.

right on andre

I find it amusing that people singled out Dodge & Chevy. I realize that they’re the two mentioned in this article, but EVERY company out there is involved in the hp wars in some way or another. When Toyota sticks a 270hp V6 in its Rav4 then I think that says a lot more than Chevy sticking a 600hp engine in its flagship sports car. You (meaning people in general) bash Chevy & Dodge for making “large” engines to gain hp, but fail to mention how Porsche upped their displacement in the new 997’s. New models of cars almost always get higher displacement engines, it’s the easiest way to make power/torque. Adding superchargers or turbo systems is simply a way to increase displacement by forcing more air into the engine, but oddly enough that doesn’t have a negative stigma attached to it (I realize turbo’s are different, but they still apply). What’s even more disheartening is that people continue to believe that displacement has a direct corellation to physical engine size when that couldn’t be further from the truth. A 7.0L V8 is not naturally larger than a 5.0L V8. The horsepower wars are inevitable. As new safety features come out, new crash regulations implemented, new technology included the cars are going to become heavier. The cheapest way to counter the increased weight is to increase power.

^that’s funny. Off the top of my head I can bring to your attention the (996) GT3 was introduced with 360bhp out of a 3.6L N/A engine. They then updated it with 381bhp while maintaining the 3.6L displacement and improving it’s brakes & aerodynamics.
The current GT3 still uses a 3.6L N/A engine, except it now pumps out 415bhp.
Kinda looks like they’re in no rush to increase displacement anytime soon. They’ve been using 3.6 & 3.8 in their 911 line for quite a while now(I think since the 964s).

Kenny W,
Again, do some more research and you’ll see that Porsche has been using 3.6s & 3.8s in the 911s for over 15 years.

Displacement or not, the issue is driving excitement and I will take that no matter how it is offered. Sometimes a nice glass of wine is great, others a spirited beer.
I am of the opinion that we all win in these overt corporate competetions. It’s fun to watch even if you cannot afford the cars, and it give’s you better selection if you are in the market for this class of car.
Win/Win IMHO.

stadt, you nailed it on the head perfectly, us fanboys was rite on the money, i for one cant even afford the regular vette (i was looking at 4×4`s) so its easy to complain about the markup of the zo6. you hit the interior remark on the head too, people complain about the cts interior , but thats what i wanted and made an exception for a plastic dash because i knew how the car could perform. i test drove a couple real nice imports(from japan i didnt want a car that only ran on 91 octane)that had wood trim all over, but didnt feel as planted on the freeway onramps. so i guess the people who know how the vettes drive and handle can easily overlook the dealer markups.

to A4: this is news because there was never a time frame

to imageWIS: the only Germans who are good with HP/L are Porsche and BMW, and you’re forgetting Honda and Nissan (S2000? RSX? NSX? G35?)

Hopefully the 600hp comes out of the LS2, 100 horsepower per litre would be nice!

Cool! Now we have another 2+ years to get sick of hearing about this before it actually happens.

Egbert, why do you want 100hp/L? What’s the infatuation with that ratio? There are other ratios which BMW sucks at. The LS7 produces more HP than it’s weight in Pounds. There’s no BMW motor that can do that. Plus the Z06 gets better gas mileage than my BMW 6, despite it having over 50% more displacement.

Get off this HP/L ratio. It’s a stupid marketing gimmick.

^^DON

Dont forget Mazda (RX8)

Thank God I’m not alone in realizing that hp/L is a stupid way to measure a motors’ worth, and that turbos/superchargers are in effect the same as adding displacement. Suck/blow.

Comparing engines purely with HP/L is a stupid and, dare I say, somewhat ignorant method.

Power is power. There are much better, more useful ways to compare engines.

its harder to make more that 100hp per litre in N/A engines so you go the easy way using more displacement and making bigger engines or adding supercharger or turbo charger i think the highest hp per litre is in the evo fq400 with 200hp per litre but thats a turbo engine

Yoda speaks wisdom. Corvette fuel efficient is. BMW fuel-efficient remains, though not as much as Corvette. The force is strong with this one.

Andre, according to Edmunds the Carrera S went from 3.6 to 3.8. Yes, Porsche has been using 3.6 & 3.8’s for years, but the point still stands. I was partially wrong as I thought that almost all models got a bump in displacement though.

In the year 2000…. in the year 2000…

When the C7 comes GM will announce a 1000hp model, along with a Corvette with (Shock and Awe) a back seat with credible hints at a Mid Rear Corvette supercar in the lineup… Likely to end up as a Pontiac or Cadillac…

Chevrolet will get the first next generation Kappa car with the first E-drive system capable of topping 160 MPH while returning over 60 mpg. Pontiac and Saturn fans protest yet buy the Chevy anyway.

In a crushing blow to everyone’s expectations, GM rolls out an advanced E-drive Corvette Concept that has track tested at nearly 202 mph making it the fastest hybrid in the world. Honda claims that their newest hybrid supercar will beat that at three times the cost. Toyota silently bows out of the sports car race yet again.

Bill Ford is unceremoniously dragged out of FORD HQ after years of bad decisions and worse products. Is then replaced by a hamster named Bill… Stock soars on word that Ford will finally join the 21st century…

FORD finally seriously enters the sports car wars with a production GR-1 “Thunderbird” and thoroughly modern Mustang with Cougar to follow.

Bob Lutz responds: “About F***ing time! Dodge was no challenge at all.”

Dodge Viper drops yet another rung on the sports car food chain, even with it’s new 10L engine.

Oh boy, the uneducated crowd..

Ignorant? Look whose talking..

Engines that achieve good hp/l numbers are lighter, have less emissions, longer engine reliability, and have a wider operating range.

Whats gonna last longer a Nissan VQ engine thats a 3.5 litre V6 producing 300hp or a 4.6 litre Ford V8 producing the same amount of power as the Nissan. Dont forget the Ford engine has 2 EXTRA cylinders (more friction) to produce the SAME amount of power.. Theres plenty of other reasons about why having a higher hp/l is better but I dont think I’m gonna waste any more of my time.

“Engines that achieve good hp/l numbers are lighter, have less emissions, longer engine reliability, and have a wider operating range.”

That’s one of the largest pieces of over-generalized, massively assumed crap I’ve ever read. Somebody needs to listen to the PR Corporate-speak BS a little less.

^^Your intelligence shows when you post

The ’self elite’ will always hate anything with any bulk and muscle. But especially anything out of Detroit. A car like this just shatters their ‘tender sensibilities’. Nevermind that Mercedes/Audi/Maserati/Ferrari are not shy about displacement either.

“Engines that achieve good hp/l numbers are lighter, have less emissions, longer engine reliability, and have a wider operating range.”

The only thing true in that statement is that they produce fewer emissions. And that’s only partially true, if we don’t count CO2 as an emission (hp/L has no effect on gas mileage), and if neither car has a cat.

Engine reliability is actually the opposite: the higher the hp/L, the less reliable it is, all other things being equal (overall hp, materials, design talent, etc.). The smaller the displacement, the more stress on the motor to make the big numbers. Usually you have to rev high to make the numbers, especially if it’s an NA motor. High revs = high stress.

The more hp/L it makes, usually the less of an operating range it has. Sure, an S2000 may rev to 9k or whatever, but it’s only useful towards the high end, whereas a Vette could pull a stump but still screams at 7k. Sounds like a wider operating range to me.

And how does hp/L have any bearing on a motors’ weight? I’m lost on that one. Displacement of a motor doesn’t effect how much the motor weighs. An LS6 weighs less than an SR20.

“Whats gonna last longer a Nissan VQ engine thats a 3.5 litre V6 producing 300hp or a 4.6 litre Ford V8 producing the same amount of power as the Nissan. Dont forget the Ford engine has 2 EXTRA cylinders (more friction) to produce the SAME amount of power.. Theres plenty of other reasons about why having a higher hp/l is better but I dont think I’m gonna waste any more of my time.

Comment by Egbert Souse”

Um, the Ford V8 is going to last longer. Here’s why: Since it produces less hp/L, and does not rev as high, it does not put near as much strain on the motor. Also, you say that the Ford engine produces more friction because it has 2 EXTRA cylinders (your emphasis, not mine). That is correct, but you forget that the Nissan has 2 EXTRA cams than the Ford, and the same amount of valves & valve springs. Besides, if the Ford has two extra cylinders but makes the same power, that means a smaller amount of stress per cylinder to the Nissan.

What are the other advantages to hp/L, since I’ve debunked all your previous ones? PLEASE, GO ON.

“Engines that achieve good hp/l numbers are lighter, have less emissions, longer engine reliability, and have a wider operating range.”

There definitely comes a point where that isn’t true, though. Take, for instance, a highly-tuned engine in a track car. It’ll make incredible power for the displacement, but at the expense of operating range and engine reliability.

In your Nissan vs. Ford example, I doubt that friction from the extra two cylinders would have anything to do with engine reliability.

To Andre Neves: Porsche haven’t been using 3.8s in 911s for over 15 years. For one, the only 964 using a 3.8 was the Carrera RS 3.8, which was not only incredibly rare (not really a production car at all – I’ve seen one of them ever), but also didn’t come out until 1993. The first real production 911 to use a 3.8 was the 993 RS, as far as I know.
Interestingly, the engine size actually went down between the 993 and the 996 – from 3.6 to 3.4.

Back on topic, if people want 600hp in their Corvette, let them have it. Will a 400hp 911 be faster? Probably.

Hi-hp/liter engines are like hi-strung chicks: great for a fast ride, but a long term pain in the ass. That’s why you’re best off renting them both and dumping them off as soon as you’ve had your jolly and you’re done impressing your friends.

^^Your intelligence shows when you post
Comment by Egbert Souse, posted on February12 at 8:23 pm

What you said is like me saying an engine with low torque for its hp (i.e. it has a lot of revs) automatically means it’s a crappy engine.

That Nissan 3.5 VQ engine your talking about has been in the top 10 engines in the world for the last 12 or something years. No other engine in the world can claim that. So I would take that over a Ford V8 anyday!!

Kenny, Edmunds must have a type then. Carrera = 3.6, Carrera S = 3.8

Stadt,

About engines. Could never have said it better myself. Bigger lasts longer and does not have to work nearly as hard… and can go further as far as max output without blowing it up. Thanks.

The Nissan VQ… Great engine, no doubt. Better than the Ford 4.6L V8? I don’t know about that. It depends on what you’re looking for in an engine. That engine has been everywhere and done everything except fly a plane…. I think. The Koenigsegg CCX and CCR used the Ford 4.6L in its first iterations and likely still does (the displacement of the engine hasn’t changed much). A Half million dollar car with a “crappy” FORD engine and it is the fastest confirmed car in the World (246+ MPH). The Veyron is confirmed as second fastest but theoretically is the fastest (250+ mph), if they can find tires to prove it.

Then there’s the 5.0L Hurricane Engine due out with the revised Mustang in 2008. 400-425hp to start… maybe. I’d expect 350-375, but tuners will get that over 500hp in the first week for daily driving.

Besides… It isn’t so much the engine but the car you put it in that counts. Not much out there can beat the Corvette for the money if at all. Remember the Corvette? The whole point of this thread?

I’m with Andre, bigger engines are good headline grabbers, but when you are living with a car on a daily basis a quality interior would be much more appreciated.

Hmm, last Corvette interior I saw looked quite classy… You mustn’t have seen it.

Hmmmmm, maybe you need glasses … take another look at the interior: http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette/photogallery/

Please show me the pic that displays the “class” of which you speak.

Some of the comparisons here doesn’t make sense. An S2000 motor versus a high displacement
V-8? If you are going to compare, then have a v-8 with similar displacements. One with modern engine architecture and the other OHVs. See their output and performance and then we’ll talk. Enough of the Fanboy talk because some people here is starting to sound like GM#1 guy and whatever..

Woohoo GM gets 600 ponies

Here we are again with the HP/liter nonsense
Let’s take the existing Z06 for example, not even this new one.
Here is the deal: I had $70K, I wanted the best performance, could care less about how they make it.
Electric would do for me. Make that in HP/liter
To me the fact that X Japanese or Y German car’s engine makes 100 HP/liter is nothing. My Z06 makes only 72 HP/liter, but 505 HP in total. The TOTAL power and PRICE matters, the low weight of the car, the dynamics, the handling, the brakes, etc. The Z06 will stomp over any of those import cars in the same price range. You want to beat my Z06? Then you have to spend 2-3 times more money and even then, it will be a very close race.

You want HP/liter? Get whatever you want for the same money ($70K) and then tell me if your car comes in the same performance league as the C6 Corvette Z06.
Go ahead and overpay for the Japanese or German sports cars.
I have got the best performance I can get for my money.
See you at the race track

You want HP/liter? Fine. This thing will be over 100 HP/liter.

I wanna be able to beat that punk in the F-18 that keeps buzzing my house in the morning.

” I’m so sick of the whole “hp/L” argument, it has no bearing in reality.” Really? how so?

Jon.

” I’m so sick of the whole “hp/L” argument, it has no bearing in reality.” Really? how so?
Jon.
Comment by imageWIS, posted on February13 at 10:06 am

Power is power. What advantage is there to making 500 HP with a 5L engine vs 4L engine? None really.

other than the fact that, like stated before, you get a much better power band with higher displacement. And also stated, you get better reliability and less stress put on the motor. BMW’s 5.0 V10 works great at high revs, but down low it puts out significantly less. The same applies to the comparison between a ford V8 and the nissan motor. I personally love the VQ, but christ, if you put it next to a ford V8 pry your eyes from HP ratings for two damn seconds to take a look at other stats.

Oh and Don, suck my balls, its not news, its blatantly obvious you were just scraping the bottom of the barrel to find something to argue about with me with that comment.

I love the VQ35, fantastic engine.

The 4 and 5 on that last post should be reversed haha

“Power is power. What advantage is there to making 500 HP with a 5L engine vs 4L engine? None really.”

Very true. So, why does the Z06 seem to get criticized for making that with 7L? It puts that power down better than the GT500 and others. Just wait ’til it gets less displacement (though with a blower) and approximately 145 extra HP over the Z06…

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i was at a chevy dealer this weekend and the dealer markup on the z06 was $19,999.00 i wanted to puke, 20 grand markup, gm should clean house first starting with their rip off dealers, even when gm builds something rite the dealers screw it up, 20 grand come on already, you can go get the porsche turbo and save money. the total was $99,999.00. At that price it beats most other cars, but puts it too close to the refined competition. the sad thing is i really do like gm.
Comment by CTS DRIVER, posted on February12 at 4:59 pm

Ford has a $25k-$35k markup on the gt500, theyve turned down $50k cash, they wont sell for under $70k, so its not all that bad, plus i bet if u know how to negotiate properly u could get them to go down $5k-$10k

So long as the engine does not weigh a ton and puts out good power over a broad range what difference does it make if it’s 5, 7 or 10 Liters? None, GM made a hell of an engine in the LS7. Over the last few years the Corvette has finally become worthy of being veiwed as America’s sports car (even though we have others), could Corvette be better, hell yes it could but I doubt it could for what GM asks for one. For those that say it has a cheap interior I personally feel that the interior is really pretty good for GM and wish they put such a “cheap” interior in some of thier other cars, sure it is not nearly as good a Ferrari but it also doesn’t cost half as much….I’ll take a couple of cheap plastic bits in the interior for what the car offers in performance any day of the week.

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“Engines that achieve good hp/l numbers are lighter, have less emissions, longer engine reliability, and have a wider operating range.”

There definitely comes a point where that isn’t true, though. Take, for instance, a highly-tuned engine in a track car. It’ll make incredible power for the displacement, but at the expense of operating range and engine reliability.

In your Nissan vs. Ford example, I doubt that friction from the extra two cylinders would have anything to do with engine reliability.

To Andre Neves: Porsche haven’t been using 3.8s in 911s for over 15 years. For one, the only 964 using a 3.8 was the Carrera RS 3.8, which was not only incredibly rare (not really a production car at all – I’ve seen one of them ever), but also didn’t come out until 1993. The first real production 911 to use a 3.8 was the 993 RS, as far as I know.
Interestingly, the engine size actually went down between the 993 and the 996 – from 3.6 to 3.4.

Back on topic, if people want 600hp in their Corvette, let them have it. Will a 400hp 911 be faster? Probably.
Comment by Eion, posted on February12 at 8:55 pm

Eion ur a moron, a 505hp z06 will out run and out handle ur stupid 911, a 600hp vette would run circles around ur 911

Ford has a $25k-$35k markup on the gt500, theyve turned down $50k cash, they wont sell for under $70k, so its not all that bad, plus i bet if u know how to negotiate properly u could get them to go down $5k-$10k

Comment by v8havoc, posted on February13 at 1:30 pm
true and well put, the dealer did say he could have an out the door price of that, with taxes and registration.

“CTS DRIVER”, to each his/her own … oh, and class does not = wood.

….and sports car does not = interior, complain about interiors of luxury cars for being cheap, but I guess everybody has an opinion on what makes a sports car and what is important in a car but in a car like this I think braking, handling and acceleration should come well before interior panel fit. The interior of the newest Corvette is really not that bad (and you can’t tell that looking at photos in magazines). Personally I would like to see the Corvette have far fewer amenities but then again I also like light performance cars like the Elise that barely has an interior.

The domestic vs. import bull**** in this thread is incredibly amusing. I wonder when any of you will get over yourselves.

impulsive,primegtp jonstew and myself at least get it. its a sports car not a luxury performance coupe.

American,
If you can buy a new Z06 for 70k, I’ll give you 70k.

Blakkar,
Not sure where your getting your “fastest” car info. Look at the latest Top Gear episode where one of the guys takes the Veyron to 253, sattelite confirmed, on VW’s test track in Germany. The tires had no issues.(for 15g’s a set, they shouldn’t)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlmY4IapiOA

You guys are LOST. You don’t get it. I don’t give one of my two fecal excretions today about what you all think the interior of a ‘Vette should look like … I will NOT buy one because I think it looks like ****.

I never discussed any other aspect of the car, and could have added that the headlights ALSO look like ****, but believe $70k deserves a better interior FOR ME.

Give it up already.

Piablo,
Actually, you hit the nail on the head. The Z06 IS a track car, with a few luxuries thrown in. Comparing it to well rounded supercars like the M5, Porsche Turbo, etc, is kind of apples and oranges.
If you don’t care about quality, just about speed, buy the vette.
If your tastes run a little more sophisticated, go German.
Really is as simple as that.
And as I like to point out, for reality’s sake when comparing car prices, RESALE! 97 Porsche Turbo’s are selling now for 75% of original price. What are 10 year old Z06’s going to sell for??

who friggin cares about the damn resale, if you can drop a hundred grand plus for a car do you realy think resale even matters? that stupid excuse is all over the place here on lln, it will make it even worse that a cheap old vette will still compete with all the new cars 10 years from now.

I may be mistaken but I don’t think Z06’s were in production 10 years ago.
Corvette interiors are perfectly suited to their purpose. Just as BMW interiors are suited to theirs.
The luxury brand German cars interiors are essentially designed to pamper the occupants. The Z06/viper etc… are not about that and make no pretense to. So why would one waste their breath comparing them? Because they belong to the ‘hate American cars’ cult. The drumbeat has continued here for so long that every negative comment is commical by it’s predictability. Your ‘opinions’ carry no weight anymore. they are just one long juvenile flame-a-palooza.
Glad intelligent folks like Piablo show up once in awhile.

Nice try, “Fatstrat”, I don’t hate American cars. But whatever makes you feel better. And intelligent isn’t the adjective I’d use here.

Hey, if I relied on something as pitiful as this to ‘make me feel better’ I’d check myself into a rubber room asap.
I really don’t care if you like the vette interior. But to describe it as ’****’ is more than just a ‘not my cup of tea’ comment. It clearly is not ’****’ by any stretch of the imagination or legit comparison.
And you are right, ‘intelligent’ is probably not good enough of an adjective, but I tend ot reserve ‘brilliant’ for special occasions.

I didn’t write to make you happy, just expressing my view that for $70k, I expect a lot better. For me, it’s ****. Especially for $70k.

I made no comparison to Euro or Japanese or anything … just the fact that FOR ME, it’s a no-go.

If brilliant is the side you were leaning towards, you may want to reinvestigate your inclusion to the rubber room crowd. Your ****-for-brains “friend” has resorted to name-calling (which has opened the door for my hat being thrown in the ring), believing that everyone should settle for less, and assuming people are lying. But you reserve that title for that special occasion … or just give it to me since I deserve it.

Great, but I think GM might be a bit late with this one. Let’s face it, Dodge 0wnz this market, and it’s going to take a lot for GM to overthrow them. Just my 2 cents.

CTS,
Sorry, but yes, even people who can afford 100k cars definitely do care about resale, as should anyone with a brain. Since the usual discussion here is how fast the vette is for the cost, then how could you then say resale isn’t important??
Try making sense.

So, if I prefer my fast car NOT to be lined in cheap plastic, rattle endlessly, and have peices of the interior break off in my hand, I’m an “american car hater”?
If I care about resale, I’m “stupid”?
And, fastrat, I said “in 10 years”.
Junk buys junk.

“or just give it to me since I deserve it.”…. Now I’ve read everything.
Fatstrat doesn’t need to hand you that distinction. I’ll do it myself. Impulsive! Impulsive! Impulsive the BRILLIANT!! Feel better my neglected friend? You ARE brilliant, and don’t let anyone tell you any different, including your parents. Had I known that my throwing out a “name” would be cause for you to throw your hat in the ring, the one with the propeller, believe me, I would have kept my fingers to myself. And just so you know, you have my full support as you lead the gallant charge against the terrible GM and their insidious peddling of cheap plastics. As a purveyor of fine luxurious plastics (surely from far off exotic lands) I admire you. Impulsive, YOU, are my brilliant hero. Cue up Bette Midler.

Impulsive, let me clarify: I don’t believe the Corvette interior is classy enough yet, either. YET.

Anyone else have any senseless attacks on GM or any of their brands and products? So far we have cheap plastic interiors, nothing new or original. We have ‘who needs 200mph’, just plain weird. We have ‘but it has poor resale value’, new AND original. I would like to see this keep going. Let’s see if this topic can grow some hair on it, I really want to see where this goes. Maybe hand out a grand award for most spiteful and original insult so we can read about it in Corvette articles to come. Who’s upset GM isn’t introducing hybrid technology into the Vette considering global warming is upon us like a fire breathing dragon? I want to hear about it. Who’s the slightest pissed off that GM is trying to cater to those “rich” people with all of their money and not you? Who feels George W. Bush is behind the Vette? I personally think he is. Anyone else? Who feels the Vette was actually the lone gunman on the grassy knoll in Dealy Plaza?

I know it’s out there, just let your feelings and opinions flow.

I’d say that the biggest knock on this future ‘Vette is the Z06. For over 30k more, I gain less than a 100hp and probably doesn’t perform any better than the Z06 on the track. For that kind of money, I could probably get a custom twin supercharger setup on my Z06 (if I had one), and get better numbers.

The Corvette isn’t a drag car anymore; it’s a track car. Instead of HP, I’d rather they lighten the car even more. So why not cater to the track racers instead of the drag racers?

For more than 30k over the Z06, I’d rather they focus on making the car lighter and handle better. Is that possible when the Z06 already has balsa wood as part of it’s floor board? If a carbon fiber chassis is too expensive, what about using it at only key places? What about a more active suspension that’s pushbutton-adjustable for the track and for the road? What about SMG? Or, what about just moving the motor to the middle of the chassis? That will do wonders for handling.

These are my complaints about the future Vette.

Regarding the crappy interior, GM would do well by offering a luxury interior option to the vette.

Offering luxury interior options would be a good idea.

“Piablo”, your entertainment value I applaud. But your argue-to-death love for a vehicle built with, what I believe has, a ****ty interior is pathetic. You didn’t design it, did you? Your defense of it is scaring me … maybe you want some tissues? Did I hurt your feelings? Your supposition that my beef is only with the quality of the plastics continues to show your ignorance … the design is unrefined, weak, marginally better than the Solstice (and that is one real ****TY interior).

But I understand how someone who resorts to name-calling and acting more like a child bully in the schoolyard feels because people disagree with his clouded judgement … nothing I have stated is senseless, I feel in no way neglected, I am not a “tard”, I have NO bias against GM, I have not lied, I am not a kid, and I am not an idiot.

You, however, are a biased, pitiful bully. With bad taste. Keep your friend’s award … I’ve held that title since I was born. I sure as hell don’t need someone like you offering something as worthless as a title donated by the new leader of the rubber room crowd. Hey “Fatstrat”, your title’s recipient has landed you a shiny, new helmet.

You guys are a joke.

Bravo!
Allow me to join the ‘Vote for Piablo’ contingency.
You are right on the money again Piablo. The comments have become so outlandish that they border on insanity. I am speaking in general about the anti GM comments, not just this corvette thread.

Impulsive, I dont think anyone is trying to rob you of your ‘right to hate’. I think the issue is overstating your position which seems to be the rule of the day here now. Certainly you might think that the corvette interior is ’****’. But then how would you classify the current Honda Civic hybrid interior? My company owns 4 of them and after what you might consider medium mileage (35k to 46k) they are rattle traps and, no joke, parts are falling off in two of them. I would suggest that the Interior of the Z06 I was in 2 weeks ago (25k miles and driven hard on the road and track) was the model of perfection in comparison.

I would be the first to admit that the ‘Big 3′ had gone astray, but, they are working their way back. This Z06 is a perfect example of that movement. It is a logical evolution and not a flavor of the month trend like other builders are doing.
Lets also not forget, that there are many european models of cars that are not sold here in the US. Europe has it’s own share of less than desireable cars as well.
In any case, as Fatstrat mentioned that they reserve the word ‘brilliant’ for special occasions, I suggest we also reserve the word ’****’ for opposite but equally special occasions as well.

Who feels the Vette was actually the lone gunman on the grassy knoll in Dealy Plaza?

I know it’s out there, just let your feelings and opinions flow.

Comment by Piablo, posted on February13

i thought the vette killed abe lincoln not kennedy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL!
CTS!

piablo, you are my hero. down with hillary vote piablo.

“WonbyOne”, my opinion is that it IS **** for a $70k car … I don’t care if anyone else disagress … I don’t care if it’s a “track car” … I don’t care if one of your meatloafs at Christmas was burnt … and I stated that without name-calling, without bias against GM or against the sub-par ball-rubbing I would have got from someone’s mom. Rather than generalizing and crying like babies about what is FACT, a ****ty interior for a $70k car, act like the supposed older (non-juvenile), mature examples you should be in society and move on.

The Honda Civic’s interior is actually WORSE than the ‘Vette’s. Not to defend it but I can see some argue that “it’s a car worth less than a third”. It’s still a horrible design.

Sorry, but this is clearly a special occasion … the ‘Vette’s interior is **** for a $70k car .. live with it.

“Jonstew”, please address your presumptuous and incorrect generalizations to specific people (excluding me). I do NOT present views held by anyone else except ME … not a car magazine, not a parent, not the President, not your barber, not your wife, not your pet. So, tell me, insider, how much it does cost to design and build an interior … and I’ll tell you how I would have designed and built it for a marginal increase in price that would have been, what I believe, deserving of surrounding the driver of a $70k car. Get it through your thick skull … it’s a $70k car, not a $25k car … how much do you think the increase in price would have been had they only DESIGNED it better, let alone used better materials … you have no clue. But keep posting like you have any merit in posting anything of value here … your sooooo making my day enjoyable.

Well, just for informative reasons, tell me what you would have done for the interior of this ~$70k high performance sports car?

Really, why would you care what exactly I would have done? Why is this still being discussed? If you think it’s acceptable, good for you. And if you have the money and desire, buy the car as is. I don’t work for GM’s design department nor do I get paid a penny for my input here, so why would I offer you my detailed solution? You going to make a donation for my time to draw up an appropriate design with material specs?

Get real. Move on.

Now that’s mature.

When actually cornered you dodge the question. Hmmm, are you a politician?

Piablo says “Who feels the Vette was actually the lone gunman on the grassy knoll in Dealy Plaza?” what if it was? It might have gotten away before being spotted because it is fast. 200 mph.

he’s not a politician he’s just a moron, oh and the mold for larger interior plastic pieces in cars such as the A pillar or B pillar moldings cost upwards of $500,000.00, that is for one side not both….now I’m sure since you think I am so stupid you will know what the word amortize means….how many vehicles do you think you would have to sell to amortize the tooling to build it over the lifespan of the design (is this getting over your head yet)? then you have to recover development, engineering and testing, production and promotion of the product costs before you make a profit on the vehicle, people have no idea how much it truly costs to build a car and by the way you talk you don’t either. When the volume (number produced) is going to be high you can spend more to develop it but when it is not going to be you have to decide where you will spend the money. It is not a question of DESIGN….how about learning something about the design, developing and building of products before you **** off and question someone who works in the field everyday. It’s not material either, it’s process….the Germans and Japanese add an extra process to make some their moldings that involves over molding of a more desirable textured material, normally with very thin foam backing to give it spongy soft feel over the plastic (the same thermo set plastic the Germans and Japanese use) or they paint the parts or cover them in fabric….they also are better at hiding the mold part lines but GM has gotten a lot better at that too. If your views are only held by yourself and you got them from nowhere else I would recommend learning a little bit about what you are talking about because you honestly don’t have clue! Glad I can make your day enjoyable too…apparently you making an ass out of yourself is amusing more than just myself on here.

So what are you looking for in an interior?

Saying “something that won’t fall apart” is a given. No one wants that, especially the manufacturer. Any argument you give that starts with that can go straight to the trash bin because it’s mindless fan-boy crap. But obviously you are looking for something else.

Bling-bling maybe? Maybe the bridge of the Starship Enterprise? A fighter plane maybe? I got it! One of those 1960s sports cars with an analog gauge of absolutely everything. I miss those. But I’ll go with the C4 Vette’s dash cluster or the dash from a Vector W8… but with more color. Seriously, The Vector had Starship and Fighter plane down cold!

There are lots of cars out there that’ll give you what you want… for a lot more and most can’t hold a candle at the track to a Vette at twice the price.

Impulsive,

I think the issue is that you have made a lot of vague and largely baseless criticisms when proof flies all over the web that the C6 has one of the best interiors going. It’s very stylish but not fancy. But sadly, I sense that you are one of the disillusioned masses that have bought the notion that Detroit can’t compete and still have the receipt, the warranty, and a coupon of a free one.

Don’t sweat it. I’m not attacking you. But if you want to rant about how you dislike a car, do try to back up your funk with something more than your opinion.

Jonstew,

I need to type faster…. You beat me to it. LOL

American,
If you can buy a new Z06 for 70k, I’ll give you 70k.
Comment by norby413, posted on February13 at 4:56 pm

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=215412609&dealer_id=620484&car_year=2006&model=CORV&num_records=25&make2=&start_year=1997&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&search_type=both&distance=25&make=CHEV&color=&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=75077&advanced=&end_year=2007&doors=&transmission=&max_price=&cardist=17

Here is one for $65k Do it American, norby said he is going to compensate you for the $70k on the Z06, woohoo free Z06! lol

If you don’t love the Corvette, you just don’t get it. And you probably never will. Some people love imports (asian or european), and the funny thing is.. corvette people don’t want you to be a vette lover. Basically it comes down to this. More HP = more fun to drive! If GM wants to put 600hp out there.. good.

Damn you people, dont you know you can go 200mph ONLY if you are rich, poor people are too stupid and should take pintos to work and not be allowed to dream.

Wow impulsive, don’t burst a blood vessel. My only point is in the description, not weather it’s to your taste or not. The interior is equal to $70 performance cars IMHO. And if you want to refer to me as a F#$%king moron then feel free to sow your pre pubescent oats here all you want as long as it lowers your blood pressure.
Horses ass.

Impulsive,

Just let it go. Give your parting shot and drop it if it’s causing you such aggravation. You’ve put your foot in your mouth and blaming everyone else as you continue to blunder about trying to make your case… only to look even more foolish. Constantly changing you’re position from quality then design and back again every time you get caught, on at least one point, makes you look more broke that Senator Kerry.

The Corvette’s interior is great. Period. You see something you don’t like about it. Fine. State whatever it is and move on. Tell us what you don’t like about it and what you would do about it in concrete terms, not vague opinions. But before you do remember there is a real good reason why a lot of foreign companies hire American designers to design their cars… then use that as the archetype for other vehicles in other markets.

Heaven help you if you should besmirch the new Nissan GT-R… The fanboys and the faithful will eat you for lunch. I know I have my knife and fork ready…

Lastly, Stop swearing. You aren’t impressing anyone…

Haha, Impulsive, I think you take your hat out of the ring now.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

If the ‘voices’ are bothering you again impulsive, you should probably renew your prescription.
You are beginning to sound like a raving luniatic.

The Corvette is a good performance for money option. But people here have to accept that it is not perfect. If the interior looks bad, a good redesign can always fix it. It makes us wonder why GM didn’t hit the sweet spot at first try. After all, this is GM’s flagship sports car and it deserves a new better interior. Because if GM didn’t let you know from what car is the interior of the current Vette is, you most probably mistake it for a hohum family seday interior. Past Corvettes have a unique signature interior design. Sadly, I can’t see it in its current form. Can’t have the upcoming Camaro better the Corvette.

Only a fool assumes other are more foolish than himself. -old proverb.

Impulsive,

Shut up.

You have had NOTHING to say and continue to say nothing and it really is starting to annoy.

Better still. Everyone.

Just ignore his fool mouth.

Now I wouldn’t mind $100K for a Vette like that. Makes you fell sorry for the Viper, that could barely edge out the Vette before. Then again The Vette is going after bigger game, isn’t it?

I am the greatest …. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

Impulsive, you are right I am out of my league arguing with you……I only have 21 chromosomes instead of the 22 that you have. Since you won’t answer the question I asked you I’ll ask you this one. Does your momma have to put on your special helmet and Velcro shoes before you get on the short bus or can you manage it all by yourself?!?!?

what is left to say about someone that smears their own excrement all over themselves and screams like a total idiot?
Gosh impulsive, if you think that you are smart, I would hate to see who you would consider to be ‘genious’
And the violence comment is dead on. You would never say those things to the face of even the weakest of individuals.
Have you stopped tortuing puppies yet?

Regarding interiors. I have a BMW 6 series with a very nice interior. My friend has a 2006 C6. The interior of that car may not be as nice as mine, but it’s quite acceptable. It’s fine actually.

The ‘cutback’ on luxury is more than made up by the supercar performance. I think the Corvette team did a great job in trading one aspect of the driving experience for another. If they had a luxury interior option, then I think you can win over many of the ‘Vette’s critics.

In reality, I’m not in my car for the majority of my day. And when I am, I’m rarely at the performance edge of my sluggish 6 series. And perhaps rarely do I appreciate the fact that I have a fine interior.

In fact, I think we’re all kind of stupid to pant over fancy cars when for over 90% of the time we drive and appreciate our fancy cars as much as we do a cheap Toyota –that is we don’t notice our cars at all, but just need to get from point A to B while sitting in traffic.

DUDE….the Z06 is 70K model of car that has a base price of 45K to 50K….that 20 plus grand extra buys you a lot like a 7L engine In addition to the larger engine, the C6 Z06 has a dry sump oiling system, this allows the engine to be mounted low inside the chassis. Connecting rods made out of titanium lighten the reciprocating mass of the engine while being stronger than the steel rods they replace. The primary structural element of the C6 Z06 is hydro-formed aluminum instead of steel as on the non-Z06 cars. The front fenders are made of carbon fiber to reduce weight, while wider rear fenders allow for the wider tires. The C6 Corvette Z06 is the first 500+ hp production car to avoid the US government Gas Guzzler tax. So what is your arguement now….the interior is cheap for 50K car?!?!?!

But I guess instead of titanium connecting rods they should have given it a better interior so “enthusiasts” like you would not complain….but then again a true enthusiast would not complain about a carbon fiber, dry sumps, titaniumn connecting rods and an aluminum chassis.

Oh and what do you do? dig my mother up out of the cemetry to suck you dry….as I stated you don’t know me so your juvenile comments are not going to work like they do on the playground at school when the other kids kick you off the merry-go-round.

wait impulsive, should I go back over your stupid posts and count typos? That would be nearly as entertaining as your pointing out mine, so I’ll pass on that one.
Thanks again for reinforcing what we all have been saying here the last couple of days.
Queer? couldnt be farther from it. But you seem to have come out of some kind of depraved closet yourself here.
Time to stick your thumb in your mouth and go back in.
See people? impulse is the perfect example why breast feeding shouldnt continue till your 13 years old. And since thats the case looks like you only have about a year and a half left of it. Drink up.

You didn’t hurt my feelings….I’m enough of man to not be bothered by people that act like children. You have no comeback for your opinion than your opinion and a bunch of four letter words….keep on trying to justify being right in your head….notice how no one is siding with you….but we’re the morons!!! Pop a couple more vitamin R’s….it’s gonna be Okay Corky!

MABE IMPULSIVE SHOULD GO RUN GM`S INTERIOR DESIGN TEAM.

LOL! I don’t think Impulsive realizes this conversation isn’t about the Vette anymore, but more about his strange lack of maturation. Anyone else get the feeling he sits in the corner with a speak and spell banging one of those squeaky hammers on the top of his head all day? Send me your address Impulsive and I’ll mail you a hanky to wipe the drool off your face! Personally I think he’s read Stuart Smalley’s book one too many times. Dude, you are not good enough, not smart enough, and gosh darn it, people hate you!

Oh boy, someone hug me please, my feelings have been hurt by impulsives big dirty words and threats. He is soooo tough and smart too.
Yea, we arent in your league ‘dude’, you are in a league all your own. Some places call it ‘tee ball’

You’re absolutely right on the money, CTS … but you should have added the point that they’ve needed me LONG ago. That’s besides the point here though.

The interior is **** for a $70k car FOR ME. If you all, well, most of you here, believe it suffices, good for you. I think it’s a **** interior for a $70k car and would rather wait to see if they ever build one with what I believe suffices FOR ME before I spend MY money.

There you go … a little more pleasant for those of you who prefer civility but can’t present it yourselves? Oh, but that’s how I started this all days ago and had you all turn it into an ugly affair. But when I follow suit I’m the bad guy … WHATEVAH!

ok, lets bury the hatchet here as the string moves to page two. After all, this is a small community, we should get along.
If you allow, I will summerize
1 – Impulsive believes that on the order of his personal standard, the Corvette interior ranks at the same level as the substance that exits his sphincter apparently twice a day.
2 – A few of us are in disagreement that the vette’s interior is nearly as greasy or smelly as impulsives voided material. (assuming he gets the daily USDA required amount of roughage)
3 – The same few of us have taken exception to impulsives descriptions of us and our sexual identity and ability to reason.
4 – In kind, impulsive takes exception to our catagorization of his cranial integrity and apparently to the suggestion that he may still be 11 years old and yet continues to accept his mothers nipple as a form of nourishment and comfort.

I say, let us agree to disagree with this distinction…Lets not forget that ‘words mean things’. One persons daily and casual use of the word ’****’ may create an atmosphere of discomfort when applied to something that someone may have an affection for ie, the Z06 corvette and its interior.
On the other hand, lets also not forget that every criticism of a US made automobile is not made because the poster hates American cars.
In conclusion, we are all experts at communication, but none of us is particularly very good at it.
Lets move on people.

^^ Comment of the year! Nice Wonby

1. FACT … occasionally twice daily. That day was twice.

2. FACT … smelly, yes, greasy, no.

3. FACT … this turned into entertainment for me (after I made my opinion made which insulted those of you with bad taste), a never-ending argument about wanting to have the last word because you all can’t accept TRUTH.

4. FACT … Nearing GENIUS intelligence scoffs at peasants who cannot accept TRUTH, and then resort to throwing sticks and stones to make their point made, even if it’s wrong. It was not I who started using name-calling. But if you want a fight, I’ll fight.

February 13, 12:12am … I posted about the bad interior without the use of the word ****.

February 13, 12:40am … another poster stated “…when you are living with a car on a daily basis a quality interior would be much more appreciated”. Echoes my view.

February 13, 1:16am … I again discussed the interior with another poster who claimed it was “classy” and I did not use the word ****.

February 13, 8:45am … “gitcypher” started the nonsense with a jackass response because (s)/he didn’t agree with the view of others about the interior.

February 13, 1:49pm … “jonstew” comments that the interior is “pretty good for GM” and “I’ll take a couple of cheap plastic bits …”

Within the same minute I respond to “gitcypher” stating (and deservedly taking my civil responses to a lower, more appropriate level considering my audience and critic) the interior is **** for me and essentially I have a right to voice my opinion on what I believe is a subpar interior. I then follow up with a remark responding to his/her mom comment with one of my own.

February 13, 3:52pm … CTS DRIVER stated I don’t get it, implying that a sports car should not expect to have a good interior (in essence, agreeing that it is subpar but acceptable for a niche vehicle … which is NOT good enough FOR ME in any vehicle).

At this point, none of my posts added nor removed anything that had previously been stated as MY view of an unacceptable interior. The immature, childish, schoolyard tactics of the monkeys started and continued discussing issues which had nothing to do with my view which was, and still remains, that it’s a **** interior for a $70k car.

The next 3 (three) days were filled with nothing but used toilet paper by these same monkeys who digressed and resorted to pathetic, primary school fighting to argue something which cannot be argued … it’s a **** interior for a $70k car.

I started civilly. The sucky babies who were offended that I didn’t like a **** interior for a $70k car jumped around like mad monkeys. I then joined in on the free-for-all. I was right from the start and am still right … it’s a **** interior for a $70k car.

Whatever, Impulsive.

Civility was never your intention or inclination. Your continued foul language and worse socialization skills are proof of that. You have proven yourself to be little more than a belligerent, ass-headed, man-child. Worse your are just a brat, period.

What ever high regard you hold for yourself pales tremendously to the low regard the rest of us have for you due to your own lack of respect for others. This was demonstrated by your extreme attitude toward the adoration others have for something you consider not to your liking. Your lack of ability to accept the opinions of others as their own and not attempt to impose your flimsy will on others has damaged your standing in this community. We are free to disagree with each other but you nor anyone has any call to pick a fight because of a disagreement.

If your desire was to get noticed, you have been and I doubt anyone will much more to do with you except to make your little monkey-ass jump for their own amusement at your expense. What was a fight turned into a poke-fest as you snapped at everyone who got over it and you didn’t. You are a fool and a sucker. You will get no sympathy from me.

I just feel for the Admin who has to sort through this crud periodically.

I agree with CTS driver, i think impulsive should go run the GM interior design team cuz i dont think anybody runs that design team. Gm has **** for an interior. @ Impulsive i think u should send ur resume` to GM for their open position as interior design team manager, on the other hand ur probably smarter than that cuz u wouldn’t want to work with GMnumber1forever, @ deantj, i usually disagree wit u but dis time ur right

Whatever, Deantj. What I said before applies to the likes of you as well, loser.

Now you have demostrated what a small man/child you are capable of being. And to take alliance with one like deantj who is probably also you on this board judging from the similarly infantile bilge you splurge is really just a step below functional human life.
I offered a good natured truce as both sides got out of hand. But of course someone approaching ‘genius’ would have picked up on that. Someone with average intelligence and any kind of social skills would also have seized on the opportunity to start fresh and possibly actually become friendly in our differences of opinion.
Personally, the whole concept of this board to me is entertainment, I too find it entertaining, possibly the most entertaining aspect is you going back and researching your posts. What a tremendous waste of time. You need to get a hobby dude.
In terms of the profane, feel free to continue exposing youself as feeble minded, uneducated and lacking in sophistication. Having been a professional athlete and spending countless hours in dugouts/bullpens/clubhouses all across this country I am not shocked by anything the dark corners of your mind can produce. And to belabor the point, teammates and opponents who trended to this form of communication were indeed, weak minded, uneducated and totally unsophisticated.
One last point
If deantj is in fact a different poster from impulsive, well, I dont think inmates should be allowed access to the internet. And to even feign the wish of death on someone due to a difference of opinion on an automotive board is a new low. Truly you should be ashamed, but I doubt you have enough personal pride to feel shame in the first place. I just really feel sorry for you.

Sounds like we have the Corvette lineup covered, love it or hate it

Soon we’ll have a new Camaro. It will not be an inexpensive car and the V-6 model won’t be that great if you want a “muscle” car.

My question is, when will GM build us an inexpensive, lightweight rear wheel drive coupe/sedan with a four cylinder and a manual transmission for $18k-$24k? Cheap and lightweight is what the original muscle car formula was all about once you swap a bigger, better engine into it. This is what GM really needs to focus on for the youth market if it wants any buyers under the age of 40 who can afford a GM performance offering… that is actually a performance platform.

Thank you once again for reaffirming how right we are about you.
I will not visit this thread again so feel free to throw a few more big words around like the tough guy you wish you were.
Now I feel sorry for you too.

The reality is that 70 grand is not a small amount of money. If you are in the market for a modern sports car, you would expect it to do many things and not just lapping around being the fastest in racetracks. You obviously will not use all that 500hp on public roads without paying the consequences. So I still think GM should fix the subpar interior trade off versus ultimate speed equation. More comfort and perceived quality will certainly do wonders for the Corvette. Convert more people coming from the Euro crowd to the Corvette.

“Carnut”, your (my) point is lost on the monkeys.

Stupid monkeys who argue because they have to be right despite being as dumb as wood and as wrong as violet coloured shoes on a man.

It’s a **** interior for a $70k car.

Suck on it, primates.

how about if gm does a nicer interior, and charge an additional $480,000for it. GM just to be fair make a luxury vette that has the xlr-v interior, so you sacrifice a few tenths, so what.
Impulsive i give you credit for being passinate about what you like.

“CTS”, be honest, it’s a **** interior for a $70k car and it wouldn’t have cost significantly more to design a better one.

As for being passionate, yes, I am … especially if I’m spending $70k.

Damn, that is one **** interior for a $70k car. And you know what? Work on those headlights while you’re at it.

they do have a better interior they could use at this price yes for sure, hopefully they will start using it. but also offer a bare bones track version without the bells and whistles.