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Fock Toyota! Fock Japan and Fock the idiots who buy their POS vehicles.

GM would never, EVER pull this sh1t with thier customers.

GM. An American Revolution

Wow…zip ties? That’s worth taking your car to the dealer….

LOL wow thats hilarious..and need more oil for GM…Fock YOu!!!

GM would never pull this with their customers, they’d just let them get in accidents, it cheaper for the company…….

GM would never pull this? Really?

GM, Government (and Union) Motors, An American Embarassment.

do we really have to say anything? this kind of speaks for itself. toyota is falling hard, and their products are being put together cheaper and cheaper everyday. zip ties, really, zip ties. haha.
this is going to be a big joke for a very long time.
i’m sure the main population “65 years and older” that ownes these cars have many zip ties laying around the house.

maverick- do you hate america? you sound like you lost your job and is blaming america for your issues. if don’t like america, MOVE ! better yet, move to japan and help build cars to import to the united states. maybe that will help you with your issues.

Bosley the Troll! Ha ha!

Hilarious, yet practical, solution to a terrible problem. Yet I think it’s more than floor mats.

This thret will reach 100 posts before the end of the day.

*Thread

No I don’t hate america, I hate stupid people that believe America is a single economy in this world. That America is the only thing that matters. Do you not realize that even “American” cars are built out of country, or even if they are in the country, suppliers are from out of country or individual components in teir 2 suppliers are from out of the country? It is a WORLD economy, not just an American economy.

And no I did not lose my job, I have a very good job. I enjoy working with ALL different automotive companies, and some off-road companies, some of which are out of the country. This isn’t 1965. You can’t expect any company to source absolutely everything from within America and to expect their Tiered suppliers to source every single nut and bolt for America.

FVCKING FAIL.

P.S. maverick, your “government motors” name for GM was soo funny!!!1!! I’ve never heard that one before!!!! Such wit should not go overlooked!!!!!11!!!!!!!!!!

Uh, just a minor point, but when I vacuum the interior of my vehicles I tend to pull the floor mats out. This is a joke.

And does anyone else think this is a knee-jerk reaction to a one-off incident? Some poor schmuck in a service department puts the wrong mats in a loaner car and now they have to supposedly remedy millions of other vehicles that have the correct part? Yeah, it’s fun to bash Toyota and the accident was a tragedy, but this seems like an over-reaction of epidemic proportions.

Agreed with Johnnycanuck. And A4, I wasnt trying to be funny, I was just pointing out how ludicris NMOFGM is, but I think we all know that already. So my reaction’s to him are done as of now. Thanks bye.

Can you say HOOSIER (For my STL peeps know what that is) or REDNECK!

What a joke! They’ve been having floormats secured by the snaps/hooks for decades and Toyota was just too cheap and lazy to put it in. IT’S THAT SIMPLE!

HA… zip ties…. why not Duct Tape?

oh… maybe they used all the Duct Tape putting the spare tires back on Tundras/Tacomas

Johnny, Toyota has thought of this because now you have to bring the car into a dealer every time you want to wash it and vacuum under the mats. They’ll charge $75 to replace four 5-cent tie wraps.

Does this mean they’ll have to recall 3.8M owner’s manuals and add a Warning sticker to the page that talks about the care and treatment of floor mats?

I’m tired of “Need more oil for GM”, sounds retarded…. it’s a free market stupid!

People would buy GM is they perceive their getting a good car/product/value….

And please stop your comments about buy American….

Last time I’ve check, Toyota, Honda are being manufactured here in the US…. are being made by American’s….

And for your information, most GM, Ford, and Chrysler use components, parts made in overseas countries….

It’s part of globalization, you moron!

LMAO!!! I have shares in a zip tie company…I guess i’m going to be rich from those 3 million recalls!!!

Hahahahahah! That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.

Exactly how is the owner supposed to take the floor mat out to clean it?

Looks like the end of the line is coming up for Toyota… their stuff has been shyte lately and I don’t see much of a future.

saku – you should recommend that they come out with a line called Toyota Ties. Could be a big sales item

“Need more oil for GM” what a turd bucket.

idrinorbarsaku

“LMAO!!! I have shares in a zip tie company…I guess i’m going to be rich from those 3 million recalls!!!”
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Japan makes 90% of the world’s zippers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zipper#Manufacturing

I was being sarcastic, Maverick.
We’ve only heard that name 1000 times.

P.S. daiso… zip ties and zippers aren’t the same thing.

Oops sorry!

damn,. i can’t get over how f-ing funny this is to everyone. freaking zip ties. this is what toyota is, cheap to just make a profit. thats why it took them so long to get side air bags in the corolla. matrix, and scion chime products. it was to save a few dollars. but, really zip ties.
people are going to be driving around in over priced camry’s with zip ties to hold the floor mats in place. even, hyundai has snaps on the elantra so the floor mats don’t move around. lexus and zip ties. jay leno is going to have field day with this one.

daiso,
Zippers….LMAO!!!!

I actually wrote something else for you, but deleted it as it reloaded and you replied with,”Sorry”
It’s all good!

so, alsvw, what is your solution? mind you, your solution has to be applied quickly to millions of vehicles already off the showroom floor…so what would you do?

everybody here scoffs at what toyota does, but yet nobody offers an alternative solution that is actually practical…i find that very telling…fact is, you probably don’t have any clue as to what would be a better solution, and you’d rather just spew emo bs…at least, that’s what i’ve come to expect from most of y’all…

@johnnycanuck

Agreed. This is really ****ing stupid, with the floor-mat issue being thrown out of proportion. Unfortunately, what Toyota is doing to remedy the problem isn’t exactly going to win them any favors.

LWA, since the problem was identified as the connection to the carpet being a POS, my solution is that they replace the carpet with one with a stable connector and also the floormat with a proper hole to stick it in. Asking Lexus drivers to have their interiors zip-tied together is a bit of a diss. Toyota drivers deserve to be dissed, but not by Toyota. That being said, I alternate from factory floormats to unsecured rubber ones in winter and never have this issue. I think the drivers are just as retarded in this case for kicking around their mats like idiots.

Before anyone jumps on me for that last part, I have a question: Ever notice that your driver’s seat and foot area, which maybe has someone in it 35% of the time you drive, gets filthier than the driver’s area you are in that is occupied 100% of the drive time? That’s because there are a lot of discourteous, inattentive pigs in this world (your friends among) who need to be shot, or at least be told to not be idiots.

One other thing – years ago I had a friend with an old 1970’s Civic that was passed down from his folks who bought it new. Honda secured the backseat cushions with … VELCRO. No joke. 5 or 6 strips of velcro. You could pull the thing out in 20 seconds. It was hilarious.

LWA… Toyota’s not alone. Anytime any manufacturer has a recall people jump all over them with biased criticisms… don’t get cranky because Toyota’s now the one in the spotlight.

This isn’t so much an indication of how far and quickly Toyota has fallen, but is a sad commentary on our own society (and it’s unwillingness to take personal responsibilty), when we force a manufacturer to take on the expense of recalling 3.8 million products for a mistake made by one of it’s retailers that has nothing to do with the product’s design. It was an AFTERMARKET mat that was IMPROPERLY secured.

I’ve got a better solution… just take the mats out and sell them separately.

Could’ve also been a driver with an ulterior motive….

relay that the best Toyota could come up with? do they relay expect people to waste the gas to come in and have them put in zip ties. hopefully other auto makers will not try this like this in the future.

Leftwingagenda come on there are many better solutions then zip ties out and a company like Toyota should figure that out and not waste people time with something like this and they said “semi permanent”.

other solutions could be use of Velcro on the underside of the mats (not that that’s ideal but it better). or they could install anchor hokes in the car it would not be all that difficult, just a few 4 holes drilled (like my 01 accord has). those are some idea i came up with in a few seconds that are cheap and quick.

Isn’t that what holds their cars together in the first place?

Rice burners FTL.

and the new holes for the mats should be unique to each vehicle and it specific floor matw in location different from one another so no mix ups can happen.

They should just take the POS vehicles off the roads and crush them like they do with Tacomas and Tundras after all the catastrophic frame failures.

General Motors would never pull something this f*cking cheap in their life. It’s the difference between taking care of your customers and f*cking them over like Toyota does.

Toyta will be a victim of the Americna Revolution by the next decade.

People want quality, they want reliability and they want a car that doesn’t break. This is proof that only General Motors is the company that provides that 100%.

Good luck F*ucktards at Toyota and those idiots who buy your POS vehicles.

“Last time I’ve check, Toyota, Honda are being manufactured here in the US…. are being made by American’s….”

So what??? Are you f*cking serious!!!!!!! These people who work for foriegn companies are scumbags. They are lowlife, unAmerican f*cking losers who sold out their Country for a cheap ass job building foriegn sh1t where the money gets sent back to those f*cking scumbag japs! Get a clue! YOu sound like a total jackass with comments like this.

Maybe you should move to a foriegn Country if you think these aholes deserve credit. I hope they all lose their jobs for such treason! This is GM Country, not Japan. Get the F*ck out , we don’t want them here.

Damn, I’ve never seen so much stupidity in my life. What a jackass

Be American. Buy American. Buy GM. An American Revolution

NMOFGM, you truly need professional help. Unresolved anger issues, paranoia and delusions. Do you foam at the mouth as you type?

i agree with johnny, maverick and stix. They seem to all have valid points. And leftwind, to an extent, but i always tell toyota what they SHOULD do when I criticize them. As in the previous three or four toyota posts I have commented on in the past month

look up the European landcruiser ( Landcruiser Prado) post, the 2011 4 Runner post, the FT-HS (”Toyobaru”) post, or the Venza post

Why can’t Toyota affix the bottom of the accelerator pedal to the floor? You know, like on a normal car.

As for the zip-ties … that’s a sweet solution. Next Toyota will say to use duct-tape on the frames of those rusted out Tacomas.

hey, i’m always cranky at work i’m known as “bad cop”, are any of you surprised by that? hehe…btw, don’t answer that!!!

smegley, read long dong auto’s comment…remember when this story first broke and it was released that the dealer installed the wrong mat in the car? the *dealer*…so toyota gets all this static because a dealer screwed up and switched mats; and that act, by some freak bad luck, ended horribly…now the manufacturer is forced to retroactively dummy-proof the floor mats in all their cars so this can’t happen again? eep…

the solution you suggest is that every car (millions, remember) come in and have their floor carpet replaced with one that has a snap or some other connector built in…perfectly valid solution to the problem, from the perspective of the consumer…compared to a zip tie, though, i’m guessing replacing the carpet and floor mat in 3+ million cars is a lot more expensive than zip ties…but hey, maybe these will be classy zip ties with the lexus logo to accent the decor?

after thinking about this a bit, there probably is a kind of clip that you could use that would require poking a hole in the carpet to install, yet provide a base for attachment like a snap or hook…that wouldn’t require replacing the carpet…

nmofgm
gm has been pulling this shlt for years excpet with legitimate mechanical and frame parts

I just check with my friend’s ES…..we tried to stuff the floor mat under and over the paddle, and sat as we were in driving position. Guess what? We can very easily reach the floor mat and pull it out…..

Wouldn’t a cheaper solution (in the future) is to design the gas pedal to be a little higher up (ie more clearance from the floor) so any improperly fitted floor mat not wedge up against it? Of course, having a hook to hold the mat in place should be a given. I’m surprised this floor mat fiasco has reached endemic proportions at Toyota. I’m very surprised they seem to be the only manufacturer to have this design problem compared to the other major automakers.

NMOFGM –
Hey man, lay off the crack pipe. Or maybe it is too late? Hey, that picture of a well done fried egg you saw in the doctor’s office the other day, that’s not from a magazine man, that’s the MRI image of your head.
But I’m not going to give up on you man, nope. Here is the deal, don’t you worry now, keep smoking that stuff and pretty soon, even the non-GM cars will look good to you. For now, keep talking w/ that voice in your head, the same one that been feeding you all this BS.

Hey, btw, if you have been hearing voices in your head screaming like bloody hell murder, that’s the voice of Pontiac, Saturn and Hummer screaming for help.
GM took really good care of them, just like they did w/ Oldsmobile. I don’t think Toyota can ever treat their brands like that.

So keep on smoking brother, you will feel differently if that smoke ever cleared from your head.

PS. If you are foaming at the mouth while typing these BS, that’s rabies dude, go get help fast. Or else you will start to chew on your fingers and we sure don’t want that. What would I do in the morning for my sanity check w/o your comments.

I don’t think it was just the dealer installing wrong floor mats, the recall just dose not make sense of it was simply the wrong floor mats. it would be the dealers fault no need for a recall, and if it was wrong floor mats why would they need to use Zip ties (hehe) would they not notice the right floor mate is installed then not need new the zip ties. then if it was wrong get the wright floor mats. this recal only makes less sense and the original floor mate problem less likely.

Am i missing something because this dose not make senses to me?

ZIP TIES FTMFW!!!!!!

worst, here’s an example of those early reports: http://blogs.insideline.com/straightline/2009/09/toyota-orders-floor-mat-inspection-after-fatal-crash.html

“Mismatched floor mats in a Lexus ES 350 dealer courtesy car are being blamed for an August 28 crash that took the lives of Mark Saylor, his wife, daughter and brother-in-law. Saylor, 45, was a 19-year veteran of the California Highway Patrol.

Tomorrow Toyota will issue an order to 1,400 Toyota and Lexus dealerships to inspect the floor mats in all their new, used and loaner vehicles to make sure all mats fit properly.

A non-standard, all-weather floor mat in the driver foot well of the ES 350 apparently became caught under the gas pedal and Saylor wasn’t able to free it. The Lexus was reportedly moving at a 120-mph clip on California Highway 125 when it hit an SUV, launched off an embankment and rolled multiple times before bursting into flames. The SUV driver survived with moderate injuries.”

i haven’t heard much additional detail beyond that…toyota has apparently had complaints previously about floor mats in other models, so i’m guessing this horrific accident has pushed them to the “ok, we have to do something” stage…

Wow, Toyota is now the laughing stock of the entire industry. It’s hard to believe they have to resort to using zip ties. Well if you bought one of their cars in the first place I have to question your judgement, but this really takes the cake!

When’s the first picture going to come out on the internet with the zip ties on every piece of the interior going to come out?

What happens if a pantleg gets caught in the zip tie while driving and causes the driver to tear their pants or weven scrape their leg?

LOL – honestly this is all they can do, but it’s a problem that should never have been.

Toyota has always been the laughing stock of the industry. It’s those morons in the Auto Rags that out their sh1tty cars on pedestals while ignoring the good cars out there from General Motors. It’s OK because we will just vote with our wallets and ignore those sorry f*cktards and their waste of paper. Americans have chosen and General Motors is Americas brand.

Be American. Buy American. Buy GM. An American Revolution

Oh yeah, Toyota is clearly in big time damage control mode here. Imagine what the atmosphere must be like around the ol’ NA HQ right about now. And what’s that area code for Toyota City in Japan? I’ll wager they just can’t wait to see that prefix on their call displays every time the switchboard lights up.

thank you leftwing

still it make me only fell like there is something else, if it is only all weather floor mats what so hard about replacing, why the need to zip tie the floor mats that fix if the problem when it was that they did not fit wright in the first place, they have holes in them for pins to hold them in place like the regular ones.

zip tying them seams now more unsafe then removing the wrong ones on probably only a few vehicles and more expensive.

LWA – on another blog they showed the analysis of the flaw in the original Toyota design. It had to do with an attachment clip that was completely removable so that if you dont want floor mats you dont have a little post coming out of the carpet. You do have a little hole, though

I think Toyota could just use that little hole. Have each car come in, take off the lower door rail, lift the carpet, and stick a little bolt under it with maybe a 6 inch disc around it for stability, tighten down a flat nut over the top to secure it, and glue a plastic tip over the bolt so it does not have sharp edges. This mimicks the system most cars use. Then if the old floormat hole lines up, secure it down, otherwise provide a new mat. If they design this right it’s about 20 minutes work per vehicle max. Probably more like 12 minutes once the process is wired. Plus it isnt some cheezy ziptie.

Also, my bet is the ziptie is a temporary solution required a return later for a proper solution. What I wrote here could be designed in a week and initial parts could be out in transit in 2 weeks, and avaoid being a pain in the customer’s butts twice.

You would think somebody on the Toyota board of directors would raise their hand and say “Wait a minute… this would be a public relations catastrophe!!!” And to add insult to injury Toyota is now in a lawsuit with their own former top lawyer who is accusing Toyota execs of illigally withholding crash evidence in court cases. What a bunch of crooks!!!

How the mighty fall. Toyota has fallen harder in recent weeks than any 80’s hair metal band I can think of!

dis is stupid
pwewpsa should just stop buying tioyatas. there R 2 many good cars out there 2 B worried about dis crap.

if a Lexus ES is involved iun a 1-car chrash, I just say NHI

Toyota deserves 2 B da laughingstock o’ da entire industry. MayB they canb sall the POS w/o floor mats

Gm cars R OK but not gr8

Good point Jake, in a couple weeks we’re going to see a story on the evening news how some nice little old lady driving a toyota got her shoelace stuck in the zip tie and was unable to hit the brake pedal at a stoplight resulting in a fatal 10 car pileup.

Just thinking of another screw-up that is similar at another company that I worked at. And this is no joke….

We made extremely expensive servers for large businesses – running several hundred thousand dollars per. The items were shipped with the cases open for onsite customization. Well it turns out the cases were not closing properly. So the solution our tech department came out with was to send out large rubber mallets so that the customers who just spent 200k to 500k on these units could pound the case closed. And they did send it out too, complete with instruction on exactly where to smack the hell out of your high priced highly sensitive equipment

Again, no joke. How that got out I’ll never know, but the flack it caused … sheesh.

That is okay, small error that the best car company in the history of the automobile. Nobody is perfect. Despite that the floor mat can kill me, I don’t care. I would still buy a Toyota with a defective floor mat, any time of the day, any time of the week. It is more reliable than a Chevy or a Buick
Buy Imports, An Import Revolution.

hehe…smegley, good story…i work around some pretty expensive equipment too, and it is amusing to see a machine costing several times my salary with a sharpie stuck in it to make it work right…

2/3 of the way to 100. We can make it.

The only un-American scum-bag on this forum is you Need more oil for GM…you should deal with it by committing SUICIDE!!!

@ Smegley

The CURRENT Porsche 911 uses velcro to secure the bottom portion of the rear seats. There are many others that still do the same…

Cant believe they let Need more oil for GM to post his crap on here. There are plenty of us “scumbags” out here that work for Toyota. While the economy is and was in the toilet they kept us working, does that not help the economy? Plenty of income is paid to hard working Americans like myself that build some of the best quality autos on the road. It is to bad that Toyota did not just leave this re-call alone.

And when your toe gets caught in the zip tie and you slam into a bridge abutment, they will remove your head from the back seat of your Toyota and place it in a zip lock bag. Toyota, Oh Hell what a feeling!

No people who work at a Honda or Toyota plant did not sell out their country, they are working so they can make money to put food on the table for themselves and their family. Just like any other worker in America.

Zip ties can be useful. Check this out: http://thereifixedit.com/2009/10/08/hair-tie-zip-tie-same-thing/

I will sue GM, Ford, and Chrysler for producing a lot of truck that make the air un-breathable and make my body sick…who is w/ me????

Anybody else notice how as they have made press releases about different stances and ideas about this stuff they have gotten more and more “Sure” it was the floormats that did the damage? I was under the impression the NHTSA was getting involved because it MAY well be the computer, but as long as toyota keeps releasing news about floor mats and keeps changing the language about the details of the big accident no one will be the wiser.

I think every toyota owner should pull out their floormats and drive heel to floor for a while and see what toyota says when it still happens.

If you buy GM you are buy a offshore !!!

Buy Honda, Toyota, buy American!!!!

At least Toyota came up with a fast fix. GM wouldn’t do anything for it’s customers.

GM, A offshore Revolution!!!

^WTF?^ If you’re going to imitate him, at least make sure your English is on par with his.

Elvio, I think what you’re proposing has already been done, and the result was the catalytic converter. Nowadays, cars from all makes are very clean.

ZIP TIES
ZIP TIES

“zip ties, as what the automaker calls a “semi-permanent” fix.”

I couldn’t stop laughing for almost an hour.

ZIP TIES

ha ha ha ha!!!

Its a shame what has happend to this Blog…By responding and responding to this MOFGM child, you have turned this into stop off site for 14 yearolds taking a break from abusing themselfs at porn sites. Hey, Left Lane, Where the hell is your moderator? The advertisers are reading and they will all be heading over to Edmunds site

cocojoe53, atleast they are abusing themselves. And not your mother again !!!

What is the big deal here. Just a mat and they recalled the car so that is still a good customer support, recalling for a very minor issue. GM cars break down mechanically and have fun fixing them. Mechanics love GM owners and no wonder used GM cars are POS. The reason I drive a Caddy because it is only a year old and bought it for 50% less than buying a new Caddy. Sad to see how American cars lose their value so quick

It’s nearly 11:00 in my neck of the woods, and it appears my prediction was incorrect. Darn.

Ghetto, the big deal is that the sudden acceleration issue is real, and people have died because of it. Toyota is claiming the cause is floor mats (seems small, but when people die, it isn’t small), and instead of fixing the hooks or the mats, they are using ideas stolen from http://www.thereifixedit.com to solve their problem quickly. In my opinion, it’s an effective solution to slipping for mats for now, but I don’t believe the floor mats are all that is causing the issue. Even though it will work, it’s still hilarious.

This is the creaking, cracking sound of a giant tree about ready to fall that is Toyota. If you own Toyota stock sell it now!!!!

I think many of you guys are racist.
I do not like Toyota, even though mu home town is Toyota City.
Yes, I am a Japanese
But,Do not **** Toyota. Be smart and work for Toyota as a white color.
and you can **** me.

Japan is originally racism teacher of Earth. Japan is more deep… xenophobia country.

“An independent investigator for the UN says racism in Japan is deep and profound, and the government does not recognise the depth of the problem.”

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4671687.stm

Japan Prejudice and Black Sambo
By John Greenwald

“I experience racism daily,” says Robert Jefferson, a black radio correspondent for ABC News in Tokyo. Jefferson says Japanese avoid sitting next to him on trains or taking the same elevator.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101880815-149882,00.html

2008 Human Rights Report: Japan

“There were some cases of violence and other abuse against women and children and of sexual harassment and employment discrimination. Trafficking in persons remained a problem. Discrimination against ethnic and other minorities and against children borne out of wedlock were problems.”

National/Racial/Ethnic Minorities

Burakumin (descendants of feudal era “outcasts”) and ethnic minorities experienced varying degrees of societal discrimination. The approximately three million burakumin, although not subject to governmental discrimination, frequently were victims of entrenched societal discrimination, including restricted access to housing, education, and employment opportunities. NGOs reported that discrimination was still extensive outside major metropolitan areas.

Despite legal safeguards against discrimination, the country’s large populations of Korean, Chinese, Brazilian, and Filipino permanent residents–many of whom were born, raised, and educated in Japan–were subject to various forms of deeply entrenched societal discrimination, including restricted access to housing, education, and employment opportunities. There was a widespread perception among citizens that “foreigners,” often members of Japan born ethnic minorities, were responsible for most of the crimes committed in the country. The media fostered this perception although Ministry of Justice statistics showed that the “foreigner” committed crime rate, excepting crimes like illegal entry and overstay, was lower than the crime rate for citizens.

Many immigrants struggled to overcome obstacles to naturalization, including the broad discretion available to adjudicating officers and the great emphasis on Japanese language ability. Aliens with five years of continuous residence are eligible for naturalization and citizenship rights. Naturalization procedures also require an extensive background check, which includes inquiries into the applicant’s economic status and assimilation into society. The government defended its naturalization procedures as necessary to ensure the smooth assimilation of foreigners into society.

http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2008/eap/119041.htm

Shinto = Ultimate racism.

idiots…..

The lot of you idiots here are real pathetic. Of course, the guy who claims that Japan is full of racists fails to realize that only senior Japanese citizens are somewhat intolerant of foreigners, and they don’t exactly make up the entire population of Japan. The majority of young people in Japan, however, are way more tolerant and nicer to foreigners than the old ones are. One of my friends would know, since he went there for a small vacation, and he never felt discriminated over there.

Then again, most of you uninformed ass-hats here have probably never traveled outside of America to know this snippet of information.

racism doesn’t always mean intolerance, and prejudice/stereotyping is not automatically racism.

This really has no bearing on the article. What DOES is the fact that toyota and the NHTSA are both promoting the idea the floor mats cause these problems when its been said many times the culprit is far more likely to be the Computer.

ROFLMFAO….hahahaha! Toy Ota, you are a disgrace of the automotive industry. I will laugh forever the day you cease to exist. What a ****ing ****ty car company.

this is why….if you want to buy a Japanese brand, make sure it was Made in Japan not in the US!

cocojoe- i don’t understand why this blog got so out of control. but, i also don’t understand why you worship japan and hate america so damn much. you have posted before how great japan is and america is so inferior to japen. kind of sickning to read. just as sick as some of the above posts.

F Toyota, F the japs and F the jackasses who buy their sh1tty vehicles and support the scumbags who work for the japs.

be American. Buy American. Buy GM. It is your patriotic obligation

Zip…….ties…………..BWAHAHAHA!!!!