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Acura puts U.S. diesel plans on hold

10/27/2008, 4:38 PM

By Drew Johnson

Acura CEO Takeo Fukui announced at this year’s Detroit Auto Show that 2009 would mark the first year in which Acura would offer a clean diesel model in the U.S. Although Fukui never named a specific model earmarked for the diesel treatment, it was widely speculated that the TSX – which serves as the Euro-spec Honda Accord – would become Acura’s first clean diesel model. However, stringent U.S. diesel regulations have reportedly put the brakes on Acura’s diesel plans.

According to the enthusiast site Vtech.net, Acura’s i-DTEC TSX has been put on hold indefinitely, with the possibility of a complete cancellation.

The six-speed manual transmission version of the i-DTEC TSX has reportedly had no problems passing U.S. clean diesel laws, but the six-speed automatic car has yet to qualify for 50-state legal status. Acura feels that a manual-only version of the diesel TSX would greatly affect the car’s U.S. success, which has Honda’s luxury brand re-thinking its U.S. diesel plans all together.

But, as the saying goes, there is always a silver lining, and this story is no different. In order to plug the hole now left by the diesel’s absence, Acura is reportedly fast-tracking a V6 for TSX use. No word on which V6 Acura is favoring for the TSX, but our money is on the TL’s 3.5L, with output in the 250-280 horsepower range.

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10/27, 4:41 PM

posted by:

The Stig

Stupid move.

10/27, 4:46 PM

posted by:

A4

DUMB! Give us the manual and maybe people will actually learn how to drive and put down their damn cell phones. Look at how many manual Jetta TDI’s are sold… diesel drivers like manuals.

10/27, 4:49 PM

posted by:

mayer_ray_nagin

Maybe that big stupid mouth they put on the front would be sucking up too much diesel fumes and start to gag, foregoing the smiley queenish presence that some drugged out acura designer deluded himself into thinking is cool.

10/27, 5:01 PM

posted by:

Don

it’s VTEC not VTECH. I knew LLN couldn’t spell correctly but failure to cite sources properly is a new one

10/27, 5:09 PM

posted by:

Borat

this sucks

10/27, 5:11 PM

posted by:

jayjc08

I don’t quite understand how the automatic transmission changes emissions coming from the car. How does that equate into this?

Personally, I think their just backing out because everyone else is doing the same. If I was Acura, I would offer a small diesel AND the V-6.

I don’t like the TSX for one reason. It’s ridiculously sedate. They went with this new Acura design, tried to tone it down a bit, but just made it worse. The old interior was ridiculously sedate- the new one is much better in that respect, but is still pretty bland. It seems ALL of the Japanese automanufacturers have these two bar dash designs, with long, major curves.

10/27, 5:13 PM

posted by:

jayjc08

Hey, for about 50 cents a page, I’d edit the minor mistakes!

10/27, 6:27 PM

posted by:

inspire

Another content question — where in Honda/Acura’s line-up does it have 6-speed auto transmission? The TL, TSX and even the RL have 5-speed AUTOMATICS. Honda is having problems mating the diesel engine wit the 5-AT.

Honda is not developing a 6-AT just for this diesel engine. I think LLN better do more research and proof-reading.

10/27, 6:29 PM

posted by:

inspire

^ and I better learn to proof-read my own content. It’s “with” not “wit” … LOL!

10/27, 6:36 PM

posted by:

deutschetouring1337

It’s still on its way over, Bosch developed the fuel system with Honda. 140bhp 250ft-ilbs 2.2 litre with 55mpg range. Still beats the newer turbocharged diesels from VAG.

10/27, 7:07 PM

posted by:

1c3d0g

I agree, The Stig/A4.

deutschetouring1337: that’s good to hear. I can’t wait to see how it performs (*hint* LLN *hint*) ;-)

10/27, 7:49 PM

posted by:

johnnycanuck

I was just trying to think when the last time was a Japanese diesel made its way over here. My brother-in-law used to have a clapped out Datsun pickup circa 1983 vintage that I believe was a diesel. Either that or it just ran so poorly I assumed it was.

10/27, 8:08 PM

posted by:

howsmydriving

Acura should put its funky floating chrome grill on hold too.

10/27, 8:44 PM

posted by:

cereal

Awww. I thought it might redeem them (in my books) for making that grille.

Oh well. I’ve been disappointed before.

-eat your cereal

10/27, 9:56 PM

posted by:

wndctboy

They know very well that diesel will sell really good and will be very easy to fix the smoke problem for all 50 states but it will hurt the gasoline sales.What a morons are those idiots.

10/27, 10:05 PM

posted by:

AxeHead

Can’t you boneheads read? Honda is re-considering the manual cause they’re smart…the majority of people are idiots and can’t drive and can’t use a standard (even the super easy and slick manual in the TSX) so they’re selling to the majority…automatic preference. It’s why Honda is in buisiness and GM is folding…customer market.

As for Diesel? It’s more expensive than gas, it’s getting more rare (real shipping problems in Canada with diesel shortages) and it has no advantage over gas other than minor mileage (and that’s becomming less an issue with gas prices falling).

I really don’t care about the grill, this car rocks…if you’ve ever driven one… and shifts sweet.

I’ve given up on diesel, I think their for trucks…electric (not a fan myself) is the future…argggghhh.

10/27, 10:51 PM

posted by:

Renton

Diesel is the future. More energy per lb of fuel than anything. It will take electric cars years, if ever, to reach the fuel rage of a diesel.

We should all be driving as many diesel cars are the Europeans. The reason we don’t is retarded emissions regulations from an overzealous EPA prevent teh companies from even bothering. Our own enviro-nazi groups are a major part of the energy crisis here in the US.

Lift the regs, let the free market sort it out.

Oh…wait.. it looks like a Democratic administration is coming. Forget it.
Expect fail.

10/27, 11:40 PM

posted by:

aexcorp

First, WTF, since when does a transmission have any bearing emissions? It might affect gas mileage negatively, but nothing to do with emissions. Only catalytic converter, engine itself and the new particulate reduction system Honda developed will affect emissions.

Second, the EPA regulations were setup after major lobbying from the US car companies less than a decade ago to prevent the entry of “foreign competitors” into the market with high MPGs diesels, basically to allow more time for the idiots in Detroit to figure out how to make cars with decent MPGs, which, despite the regulations barring entry, they still haven’t really figured out thus far…

As for the Democratic administration, hopefully they’ll have the common sense to realize that new generation Diesel (and even better, in combination with some sort of regenerative breaking) can help everybody out, and still be clean.

10/28, 1:34 AM

posted by:

beatusmongous

I’ve been outbid by JCJay08.

Transmission can have an affect on emissions. For one, an auto is usually heavier, meaning the engine has to work harder meaning more combustion meaning more emissions. I’m sure there are more reasons, but worse fuel mileage also tends to mean more fuel is burned which translates into more exhaust.

Renton likes it when Diesel rages. That was too funny to pass up.

10/28, 8:50 AM

posted by:

1c3d0g

johnnycanuck: LMAO…Datsun…now that brings back some memories. :lol: My 6th grade school teacher had one of those back in the 80’s. It was so old and crappy that he couldn’t drive it any faster than 40 km/h. It also couldn’t get up on *any* incline, the pick-up would immediately start rolling backwards. Hopefully the Japs have a better engine design now.

10/28, 9:34 AM

posted by:

Z06ified

OK, scratch that one from my vehicle shopping list. Good move Acura – you just lost one potential customer. Now I’ll be shopping the BMW 335d and the Passat TDI. I’ll probably go with the 335d.

I thought Honda was supposed to have great engineering? I guess not.

BMW and VW already figured it out, with BMW using a much larger and more powerful engine (more difficult to pass emissions with a larger engine). Why can’t Honda?

10/28, 11:18 AM

posted by:

ktulu

Acura’s sucks!

10/28, 1:44 PM

posted by:

siegen

10/28, 1:45 PM

posted by:

aexcorp

beatusmongous, the weight difference might add up to, at the most, around 150 lbs, which in no way will make or break the emissions requirements of a correctly catalyzed and designed engine (it would be like stopping people from having an extra passenger in their car…). As for more fuel burned, I could see how that’s possible, but again, if they were half-decent with the design of the system in the first place, they would not be hitting this issue.

My take is that the Honda-designed nitrogen oxide catalytic converter, used to generate and store ammonia on-board and thereby reducing the nitrogen oxide to a level that matches EPA’s regulations, is not yet fully working despite earlier claims…

10/28, 8:02 PM

posted by:

jayjc08

beatus- Sorry bud, I figured if LLN can’t afford posting on weekends… somebodies gotta go for the bid!!

I remember Honda had better emission ratings with their CVT’S in the Insight due to the emissions the transmission itself put out… I’m not exactly sure how that works, but it sounds ridiculously stringent.

That’s sorta like measuring the emissions output from my shoes. No, not my feet, the shoes.

 
 
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