By the way LarvaPenis, all of your homophobic responses are being forwarded to the moderators and to GLAAD.

The afa is an organisation that promotes hate as being a good American family value

Why is he^ still allowed to post here? Why hasn’t a moderator done something?

Good for Ford.

You are too dull to bash jayjc08, and good luck trying to find an anti-gay car company to buy from

I should have written “jayjc08 you are too dull to bash………” so i wasn’t referring to you at all.

Hate consumes all your energy, chill

Not sure I get what they were trying to do. Kill one of the most American car companies for not supporting their ideals?

If the AFA is really claiming the decline of Ford sales then – Way to go AFA, I’m sure all of the early retirees and fired plant workers appreciate your boycott and ideals. I’m sure their kids can eat, sleep and get decent education and jobs thanks to you.

pffft whatever.

Ford’s sales decline is due to their products! To say that the AFA boycott had anything to do with it is like saying watches cause cold because everyone who’s caught a cold has worn a watch. Can you say “junk science?”

So, someone tell me why LLN is deleting my posts? Moderators don’t do their job concerning certain members, but when a politically made comment pops up, somehow LLN moderators notice?

SoLoveLA- Sorry, but I’m not bashing, excuse me for saying that if I did (as I have no comment to reference). It’s sick. That’s it, period, find one health benefit and send it my way. I’d send you my email to friendly debate it, but I don’t post it on forums. If you’d like, provide yours.

Kinda ironic, saying I’m too dull to bash, when that’s about all your comment was composed of. Just letting you know, buddy. And as far as I know, most other car companies are neutral on that issue, Ford has openly announced it. It seems their sales marketing (yes, sales marketing) hasn’t fulfilled it’s promises.

And it’s pretty unlikely the AFA had a large impact, maybe on the range of a percent or two.

I always thought of ford as a foundation corporation for what helped define the United States. This correlates to the unavoidable religious underpinnings and history of eloquent obedience.

I think AFA stands for “Association For Abnormal”. I am sure we will learn someday that founding fathers of this fine organization have been involved in homosexual trysts or with plain prostitutes (historically that has been a trend and yes I am from NY, sort of).
However, I doubt that Fords are in vogue with homos, gays and lesbos alike. Those cars are not cute enough for gays and not butch enough for crafty girls. Actually, based on Ford sales they not extremely popular with heterosexuals either. It’s tough to be Ford.

@autonut – I think AFA’s gripe was with how Ford was marketing Jaguar to homosexuals. That marque has the necessary chic.

@SoLoveLA – Are they promoting hate, or are they merely opposing something that they believe to be wrong? If an organization marketed cars to murderers, then I’m sure someone would boycott. If someone sees homosexuality as a sin in the same way that they see murdering as a sin (maybe not on the same level but you get the point), then can you blame them for taking a stand?

The question, then, isn’t if AFA is right for doing what they’re doing; rather, it’s the question of whether homosexuality is wrong or not. And that goes beyond the scope of this forum here.

That being said, I really don’t think their ban had anything to do with the sales slump.

Brendino,
A long time ago people also thought that the earth was flat, they used to believe that the sun revolved around the earth, and that Unicorns roamed the forests. Just because they, the AFA, believe it to be true doesn’t mean it is. You, autonut, RicardoHead, & even that douche we all can’t stand have a right to live, just like the gays have a right to choose their sexuality. Saying that murder & homosexuality are the same (not saying that you agree) is akin to saying that pots of gold really do exist at the end of rainbows. The AFA gave up their boycott because they realized it had absolutely no effect, nobody knew about this boycott. It wasn’t national news except on auto blogs for a week once a year when the AFA would send out a PR claiming some obnoxious numbers. Anyways, I personally hope the AFA burns in hell for their ignorance and spreading of hate.

FREE country.
The AFA certainly has a right to exist every bit as much as a gay association has the right. And we have the right to pay attention or not. I do question whether this is Auto News in spirit – that’s what I come here for.

The problem with many groups (in this case gays, but it could just as well be the christian-right) is that they think that anyone who laughs at their choices (or “who they are</i.”) or does not accept their bullcrap 100% is a hateful enemy. SoLoveLA displays this type of behavior by turning in anyone here he can as a “hateful bigot” because they make comments or tease other posters using words he doesn’t like. He basically carries his homosexual chip on his shoulders.

Joking about queers or christians or whites or blacks is far far different than actively hating them. Active hate is bull, but if you’re an adult and you don’t have the spine to take a joke or off-color comment, then you have no business mingling in society and certainly none visiting a public website.

I believe the Bible will tell you to hate the sin and love the sinner. That is the proper Christian approach. The Bible also tells you not to judge. Judging and punishing here on earth will backfire on the AFA. See you in Church!

Since the AFA claims responsibility for part of Ford’s sales decline, I’m sure they can explain it to workers who lost their jobs. “Sorry you’re now on welfare, but at least the cars you used to build won’t be used by sinners. See you in Church!”

The truth is these boycotts have zero effect on their targets, the AFA had a similar effort against Disney for years. There’s a reason why it’s called the “Happiest (Gayest) Place on Earth”

In the real world – where people actually live – it is normal to joke and make fun of all kinds of things, including ourselves – but there are forces that want to rule over that freedom, they want to control what we say and think. Of course, they are all full of crap, but never mind that – they know what is best.
And I will fight against that bull**** the rest of my days.

It doesn’t take much to start a church or an organization like AFA. I’ve always said that this boycott was a farce and probably the leader was a prior owner of a 96 Taurus that had 3 trannies out in 4 years and Ford wouldn’t pay for his 3rd one. The boycott simply did not make sense. Scion, Toyota, Coke-Cola, Hugo Boss, and for that matter, GM all had more gay advertising dollars and presence in the gay media than Ford Motor. Ford showed them that, but it didn’t matter. No boycott for those brands, and probably none to come. It was personal! Maybe someone should investigate….No!…no one really cares about the AFA and what they believe in. Another group that drives old 100k beaters to be together every week to complain about why the world is coming to an end. Besides, isn’t the Prius a popular car with the homosexual community, not the F-150?

Our first conversation where ‘trannie’ can mean two things.

Actually BMW is the most popular make among all my gay friends and acquiantences, don’t really know any who would drive a domestic. I really like how the first part of this movie explains how ridiculous all religions are: http://zeitgeistmovie.com/

AFA = Nazis

Jesson might have been born right but then he screwed up by gurgling spunk for a living and to get his jollies.

yes

Kenny W- Get off the subject of people thinking the world was flat at one time and that bull****, we’re talking about what’s wrong now and that’s it, period. If you’d like to go talk about that ****, like most people who argue homosexuality is right because “it’s been around for millions of years”, then go argue on a children’s forum.

I can’t begin to tell you how sick I am of people trying to justify things just because it’s been around for so long, and then try to shove more **** by calling those who voice their opinions haters. I’ll say the same thing I said to SoLoveLA, find one health benefit, one relational benefit and send it my way. If your so diligent, your email?

I for one knew about the boycott, and so did most of my family and friends. Let me tell you, not all of them are straight.

jayjc08,
isn’t it funny how the most liberal areas of this country are statistically the most educated? Bigotry is ignorance regardless if its toward race, color, creed, sexual orientation or any number minorities. Sexuality is not a choice, so the health benefit would be the mental well being of a person who happens to be gay(there are millions, mostly closeted) finding happiness with another. Wouldn’t it be nice if the moral majority put down their bibles and picked up science books?….someday we will turn those red states blue.

A total of 780,365 individuals signed AFA’s Boycott Ford petition.

Most educated? So was Nazi Germany before World War 2. And by most rankings we (US) are increasingly more poorly schooled and “educated”. I would never brag about something so transparently ridiculous. And even at that some of the best school districts are from some of those “states” you insulted. Dogma comes in many forms. I see oceans of it on this site and on this subject. Think about the educational establishment that is responsible for your blue state education. I might give it another name – indoctrination.

The bigoted religious right red states are by far more akin to Nazi Germany than the blue states.

Sorry Eddie Willers, but discussing how sexuality isn’t a choice for one is not for this board, and for two can’t be and isn’t proven.
You’ll learn if you were a little more liberal and came out of the box that you were in, that homosexuality neither helps mentally (higher rates of domestic violence, far lower rates of monogamy, higher rates of diseases being passed through the bloodstream, higher rates of drug usage, I could go on and on, but that’s not what this board is for. As I mentioned, I’m open to a debate, but I won’t be the one to put my email on this board).

It’s not bigotry, it’s just plain outright sick. I’m not hating them for what they do, but I openly disagree with it. I would say something similar to what lucklaster said, but I’m not so sure about some of his statements.

Yes, being a bigot is sick. Could you “choose” to engage in homosexual sex and enjoy it like you enjoy hetero sex? The answer is NO. Just as gays cannot choose to be attracted to the opposite sex. Its pretty easy to understand. And if you are really gay, seeing as how you protest so much against it, its really ok, go enjoy yourself, just be safe.

Once again, calling me a bigot for simply what I consider wrong is senseless, and you obviously can’t surpass grade school bickering.

Sorry, but gays can be attracted to the opposite sex. There are gays that change orientation all the time, not to mention that was sort of a pointless argument. If I were gay, then it would be so, I haven’t denied anything so quit assuming, I only mentioned some of my opinion, and pure facts. Go look em up. Like I said though, most of you who argue your point can’t surpass grade school pecking, calling everybody a hater, bigot, etc.. Bring some facts to the table, not assumptions and realize your own irony.

What the hell are these bible freaks doing here?

Cars are evil, the engineers use science when constructing them..

Oh right I forgot, science is alright but that evolution part is just complete bull****. How did they come up with this ****??

Seriously guys, open you eyes, it’s 2008 and not 1400.

Kenny W: “Saying that murder & homosexuality are the same (not saying that you agree) is akin to saying that pots of gold really do exist at the end of rainbows.”

how so?

AFA= Alma Mater