@blitzkrieg79: You’re right about the mitsu bail out and I should have checked my facts before posting. It wasn’t quite a bail out. They bought 15% of the company in the 70s and created the union called Diamond Star Motors (better known to the kids in the audience as DSM) in the mid 80s which spawned many crossover models such as the Starion/Conquest and later the Laser/Daytona/Eclipse and Stealth/3000GT.

The truth is they were supporting each other back then, especially in Chrysler’s small car market and I will concede that while things were pretty good until Daimler got involved, I firmly believe that Mitsu would have been in the position they are in today back in the 90s if it wasnt for the DSM merger.

As for the whole Daimler thing, that was definitely a tech grab. People should have known they were up to no good when they fired everyone on the board and put in their own people in charge after claiming it was going to be a “merger of equals”. I fear this is exactly what Fiat is going to do courtesy of our tax dollars.

And finally, are you sure about the whole different factory thing for the Stealth? I’ve since sold that car (about a month ago actually) and I remember the sticker on the door seal saying something along the lines of “Manufactured by Mitsubishi motors in Japan”

If Toyota is so much better, how many recalls have they had in the last 2 years? Oh, and how are the Tacoma’s frame doing these days?

I don’t no what you’re saying here. Give me a Mustang/Camaro rright now.
I won’t “Brag” about the amount of money I got back on my Honda, because it was ZERO. Left it at the side of the road where it died at 91k, and didn’t even bother to pay it out of the impound yard. Bought a better car, instead. A FORD TEMPO of the same vintage.

“So you can show me a JD Powers or Consumer Reports article praising the reliability of your car …” If I were bothered. I drive a Buick, which almost all car magazines (and even a washing-machine magazine) like.

1c3d0g: “Suzuki should stick with making awesome bikes.” You’re probably right.

07/12, 4:48 PMPOSTED BY:” I went easy on you I didnt say how much of a whore he was.” That’s a statement that speaks for itself. Not about her, mind you ….

iluvamcars: “You are way out of line. Calling my late great grandmother a whore over a car argument is just extremely childish.” That goes without saying.

tripleonefive: “It would be a bad idea for Mitsu to use the Durango platform.” Probably. the Kia Forte is going to keep a lot of people up at night.

iluvamcars: The Routan is a real minivan, but not a real VW.

tripleonefive: The Chrysler is the best minivan on the market, barely above the Odyessy. The Sienna ius ergonomically perfect, has good numbers, but mechanically outclassed.

07/13, 9:33 AMPOSTED BY: Need more oil for GM “Nobody wants the embarrassment of owning a japanese POS.” you’re wrong. Hell, some don’t even consider it an embarrassment.
“It is a fact that everyone would rather drive a GM vehicle.” Again, you’re wrong.

Need more oil for GM, Stix: It’s “Hanged,” not “hung.”

Need more oil for GM: “Buy GM. It is our obligation as Americans.” No, it’s my obligation as a family man to buy something I can depend on so I get to work and put food on the table. That’s why I drive a Buick. Though when the weather’s nice … I take my kawasaki.

SoTXFord: You appear to be drinking the “pay attention to reality” Kool-aid. The GT-R is my mid-life crisis car, unless I decide on the R8. )

Stealth was indeed a great car,

beatusmongous: “Basically, in order for them to be able to show any value to you, they need to have their current cars on the road with fewer issues than the J2 for the next 20 years? Is that where you stand?” Straightforward question. Will you get an answer?

2WheeledSpeed: i likje subarus because they’re tough. Not really fun in the wider scheme of things, but certainly compared to other Japanese compact/midsize products. I almost bought a Tribeca.

Anyway, as long as Mitsubishi will have the backing of one of the largest banks in the world in the form of Band of Tokyo Mitsubishi, they will ride out this storm. And they weren’t always in the red, they were doing fine just like Chrysler was doing fine before the above mentioned merger with Daimler. They were making a profit for long stretches. As far as their current lineup goes, Lancer/Outlander price/performance/competition wise are fine, they need to throw money at actually advertising the damn things. The entire Platform USA lineup needs a big time make over. There are rumors that the next generation Eclipse will be based on the current Lancer platform which is a good thing. Plus they are one of the pioneering companies with current EV technology (they are already leasing EV iCars in Japan). They also have a lot of cool cars in Japan/Europe such as Pajero, L200, Colt, Grandis, Delica, iCar. They may not be the best at any particular car segment but who really is (don’t bring up any manufacturer sponsored showdowns or top 10 lists)? It’s really all about advertising/marketing and thats the area where Mitsubishi Motors has been suffering for a while in USA, Mitsubishi in Asia, Middle East, Russia, Europe is doing just fine.

With Suzuki… Their bikes are legendary in the bike world (Even non-bikers have heard of the Hayabusa), but their cars? Few people here in the States even care or know they exist, so they can take their cars and get out as long as they keep shipping us those motorcycles IMHO.

@Beatusmonogous
That’s pretty much what I get from what he says, because he will trash everything you give to him as either biased or too short term and say “blah blah proven reliability and resale blah blah”. It doesn’t matter how many cars the D3 sells, how good their reviews are, nothing. He will keep spitting out that line until heck freezes over.

TripleOneFive, are you saying that the D3 will not be able to prove their value for the next 20 years? Basically, in order for them to be able to show any value to you, they need to have their current cars on the road with fewer issues than the J2 for the next 20 years? Is that where you stand?

Toyota and Honda both make hideiously boring products. Nissan, IMHO, is the only Japanese brand out there that still believes in the enthusist (See 370z and GT-R), and even if the sale of cars like that dont make your bottom line, they are Halo cars that define your brands attitude; what is Honda or Toyota’s halo? The Prius and Insight? Give me a break. People buy those cars because they need the delusion that they are saving the environment when in reality when it comes time for those batteries to be replaced they do more damage to the environment than the V8 in my Mustang does in a 10 years. Bring back the scrappy Toyota and Honda from the early 90s that gave us cars like the MR2, the Supra, and the NSX.

NOW ON TOPIC, speaking of the early 90s one of the best cars I’ve ever owned was my 91 Stealth (AKA 3000GT). But despite being a great car, it was plauged with issues, was expensive to repair, and while I bought it used, when it was new it was over priced just like it’s Mitsu counterpart. Thats been Mitsu’s problem from the get go, they can’t get a decent car out that doesnt cost a fortune. See modern day Evos…sorry, thats not 34k worth of car and its looks leave alot to be desired.

The reality is Mitsu has been in the red almost from day one. They survived the 90s on bail outs from, drum roll please, CHRYSLER!! This should tell you something about that company’s decision making. Truth is I really like mitsu but the fat lady is singing, and I agree it may be time to go.

As for Suzuki, the only car that blips the radar is the Swift. Sell that or get out.

Buy American. Buy GM. It is our obligation as Americans

Good Riddiance

NMOFGM should be hung for being an annoying troll that has never contributed to humanity.

Be American. Buy American. buy GM.

Good Riddiance.

To everyone else on this forum, i am sorry for my profanity and other things i may have said.

It’s amazing how certain people can talk for hours upon hours, and yet they end up having nothing constructive or intelligent to say (I’m talking to you 1115).

It is a fact that everyone would rather drive a GM vehicle.

This is GM Country.

Idrinorbarsaku- Uh no he would have won had the article stated that the Fusion is proven reliable and durable and has a higher resale value than the Honda or Toyota. I guess you must have the same grandmother

“by GM and FORD, beyond, HONDA and TOYOTA. GM’s BUICK division holds the top spot for most reliable product line, tied with JAGUAR”
—90 JD powers study is meaningless

Congrats. You got the latter.

The unfortunate fact is that MITSUBISHI, who really should have kept making AWD Eclipses, and SUZUKI, who I hope still sends over their great motorbikes, just has not moved fast enough and strongly enough to compete in the US. The Gas Spike at the end of 2008 really upset so very delicately balanced apple carts, including GM and CHRYSLER, not FORD as you wrongfully contend. Or are you a EUROPEAN who is missing the fact that FORD is one of the best companies in or operating int the EU and GB?

Further, going on your first comment, GM was NOTORIOUS for NOT making small cars and SUVs until a few years ago. This more than anything is likely what is killing SUZUKI, GM is NOT buying SUZUKI’s small cars and SUVs. GM is making their own and making better vehicles and making them better. GM only lacks a sub-compact of their own, to which, they lean on DAEWOO for their AVEO. Something that is going to change in a year or two as well, Remember the CHEVY SPARK?

QUALITY and DESIGN for the D3 are improved to and in many cases, by GM and FORD, beyond, HONDA and TOYOTA. GM’s BUICK division holds the top spot for most reliable product line, tied with JAGUAR. Something that GM is likely going to only expand upon in the coming months and years.

The thing that erks you, I think, is that you are seeing DETROIT rightfully assert themselves in competition. Even playing catch-up they Just keep taking chunks out of the competition. I’ll gave you a freebie if you can catch it. GM is improving by leaps and bounds, FORD keeps truckin’ (pardon the pun), and CHRYSLER just will not die… and but TOYOTA and HONDA, if or when they fail, no one here will lament their passing, but when they lose that so highly revered place as “highest quality and best design” in the eyes of consumers, The fan boys are the ones who will cry out the loudest trying to make it sound like a “a minor setback” or “just a flock”. But the fact will be that the hometown team took back the field.

What erks you most is that in the next few years, DETROIT will be doing to TOYOTA and HONDA and NISSAN what they had been doing to them but this time they will not be able to turn it back around. Taking sales and making the moves they just would not. The only bug in this is HYUNDAI… But I don’t see them as DETROIT’s problem after 2012 as much as HYUNDAI will be JAPAN’s problem. “Why by a Japanese car when the HYUNDAI costs so much less and seems less pretentious, as well?”

DETROIT knows Patriotism isn’t going to be enough. But then they are NOT the one’s pushing it. GM stopped last but FORD and CHRYSLER never really pushed pocketbook patriotism. That was strictly the person choices of AMERICANS opting to back AMERICA in a most fundamental way: Buying the stuff we make for ourselves, not for JAPAN, or for GERMANY, or for South KOREA, or for some other. We are really starting to ask just who is making the money off us? The answer has been unacceptable and we are starting to change that.

There are those who would rather pay for EUROPEAN peace and prosperity, JAPAN’s “graceful” decrepitude, and South Korea’s ascension, but some of us would like to hedge that back so we can fend for ourselves as a nation, pay our debts, take care of ourselves, and get ahead, just as all others would for themselves and their nations.

AMERICA is NOT going to bankroll the world any longer. We can’t afford to anymore and we DO NOT want to anymore.These small car markers failing can be seen as a simple statement: Go find another sugar daddy, B!TCH!”

Good Riddiance- Its on tomorow.

To everyone else on this site, i am sorry for whatever profanity i have said. Thank you.

I will be back tomorrow morning and we shall continue tripleonefive.

begging that LLN finally blocks tripleonefive. Not only for the fact he’s a troll, but this little argument has gone on for far too long and too far astray, with the profanity of their arguing getting out of hand.

BACK ON TOPIC. Suzuki’s last shot should be the Kizashi. If they can’t sell it in decent numbers, go back to selling just bikes. Mitsubushi, IMO, is a lot more viable. They have pretty good product (Lancer and Outlander for the most part). If they can get the iMiEV over here and redo their other three models, and increase their dealer network (which IMO is why they’re not selling), they can get back on their feet.