So, Fusion outsold Mercury, Lincoln and Volvo combined. Wonder why Milan wasn’t as popular? I like the old Fusion and new one even better, except for the rims on Hybrid version (will be pain in the butt to clean).

While these numbers for Ford don’t look great, I bet Toyota, GM and Chrysler numbers will be far worse.

I find it amazing: every beginning of May they release sales figures for April……

Bimmer, you don’t honestly think hybrid drivers clean their own wheels do you? They’re usually the first ones to take credit for cleaning up the environment and the last ones to volunteer if it actually means getting their hands dirty.

Johnny, and I thought that you are hanging around with respectable people.

Wow, Toyota and Nissan did worse than GM and Ford. How can GM do better than the Japanese considering all the negative press? Wow. Ford seems to be doing well all things considered. What is going on with Toyota? They are in trouble folks. MArk my words.

Johnny, Hybrid drivers generally don’t even take a bath.

Go Ford Fusion!

sales still sliding… is this the end of the American Dream? And the middle class is it now toast or will it recover?

Johhny,
what pisses me off about ‘greenies’ is that in province of Ontario will ban sale of of incandescent light bulbs next year, claiming that by producing more energy for them is bad for environment. And what about all the Mercury from CFL bulbs? Mercury is the reason I stay away from tuna, sharks and other large fish. And even if people will recycle CFL bulbs what about all CO emission emitted by people driving to the recycling centres? And maybe it’s time out government should lay off from vehicle pollution, since it’s only accounts for 22% of green house gases and should concentrate on reducing other polluters carbon footprint?

Good for Ford, they outsold Toyota! Maybe less people becoming ship and buying Toyotas because of their old reliability record

Bimmer, think of all the CO2 expended to drive to the next province or the USA to buy real lightbulds and not CFL bulbs.

I for one and stocking up on the bulbs I like. It’s all bull and you know it. People and animals are going to die of mercury poisoning because when a CFL bulb breaks they wont be able to vacate their homes and pay a $1000 tab for cleanup (like the state demands in California) and then they will sue the evil companies when really it is the envirowhacks.

By the way, I love that Smart sales are in the toilet. Guess after a year the replacement buyers are going back to real cars after those stupid things break or rattle within 9 months (I know owners of two in Europe and both said this, and when I visited this is how the motors and plastics felt to me also).

Wonder why Chevy did the “best” out of all marques?

OK I checked the data. Chevy trucks were only down 20% and it looks like the HHR, traverse and Suburban brought up the sales rate. Pick up truck was at 30%. Malibu was only down 14% also.

Since the auto mess started the press, politicians (Pelosi) and import fanboys have been PREACHING about how lacking fuel efficient vehicles was key to the demise of Detroit. We were told about the Prius and how Toyota was using it to whip GM/Ford into oblivion. It was the future, it was what most Americans wanted. Look at the results above folks. Toyota has consistently posted the worse results of the Japanese Big 3 since last fall and the trends are getting worse. How can they do WORSE than GM considering all the GM bashing that is going on and impending bankruptcy? Toyota should be in the strongest position of all the major automakers. I’m sure triple on stupid will clear all of this up. How much longer can Toyota continue to not layoff workers and cut costs and factories? What are they thinking?

sj79:
All good points. I agree. I honestly don’t care if any of the jap car companies go out of business, but we all know they won’t just for the same reasons the American car companies will never go out of business.
I’m sure the person you mentioned will come clear all of this up though. I would like to hear what he has to say.

Ha! agreed, sj79. What the hell does Washington know about the auto industry – beyond their politcal agenda that is…

Where’s 1115? Bwwwwaaa haaaa haaaa…. Put that in your pipe and smoke it you import amorous dolt.

anyone know where vw would be since audi only lost 9 percent? screw you toyota!!

How long did it take you for the triple on stupid ??? A few months?
I understand your arguments are baseless so you have to hold on to something but its not a big deal
I dont have to explain sh– !its only one month What you can explain is why cant Gm make a reliable car? The old GMs get recalled and so do the “new” ones
No one is bashing GM. If anything GM is Honda and Toyota bashing with Firestorm in their commercials and he gets paid to say that
Now go back and think of some more bull****
Also tell me when the Volt is coming out ..Is it 2012 now??

SUCK IT 1115!!!!

1115, you’re either moron or a foreigner that has the english grammatical skills of a first grader. I believe it’s the latter. Do us all a favor and use a decent english translation application before you post again…or my recommendation, go play in heavy traffic. Hondas are are nice, Toyota’s are bubbly pieces of garbage and Ford Motors will inevitably be the new leader in sales, design and quality…deal with it.

Actually I have been calling you triple on stupid for months now.

BTW, Howie Long isnt “bashing” Toyota or Honda when he tells you Chevy models beat their models in hp and fuel economy. Dont hate on Howie for stating basic facts. Bashing is when you unjustly criticize someone or something because you have an agenda- you know, the same thing you do on here every day. Stating facts that import fanantics dont want to face such as the Malibu beats the Accord in mileage is hardly bashing.

As for recalls, Toyota just issued one the other day for tailpipes that might fall of Highlanders for no reason. Get the facts straight. I am still waiting for you to explain why Toyota and Nissan posted worse results than Ford and GM. Toyota is not on the verge of being liquidated so they have no excuse. Also, why are Prius sales down 61% when Americans are clamoring for high mileage vehicles? None of my arguments are baseless. Toyotas sales have been down almost as badly as GM’s since last fall- that’s about 7-8 straight months of serious declines. Lexus sales were falling long before the financial crisis hit because Lexus has become the Japanese version of Buick and has little appeal to folks under 50. This is about more than one month of results.

1115, seriously, do you really believe that GM does not make a reliable car? The actual data certainly shows that you are incorrect.

Since Malibu is so new there is no 3 year reliabiility data out but for initial quality it is #1 for midsize vehicles. And at 3 year reliability the LaCrosse is #1.

sJ79 TWO 1115 ZERO.
sj79 is up two, dick.

Malibu and fusion outsold the Alimta last month. Accord #1, Camry #2, Fusion #3 and Malibu #4. That is incredible when you consider how much negative press has been out there about Detroit.

still two dick for sj79

What is going on at Toyota? Corolla sales down 43% and Camry down 37%. Accord was only down 16% and Civic down 22%. This makes no sense. Does anyone have any idea why? Incentives?

Honda truck sales were down 35%. Did they stop building the Element? It was down 66%!

Toyota car and truck sales were both down 42%. this makes no sense!!

CS- Malibu recalled just like Lambdas Initial quality means NOTHING Its long term quality that means everything and the resale value. If you read the fine print in the Firstorm commercials you will see that at best the Malibu is estimated to get 1 more hgwy mpg than the Accord lol. Im sure this 1mpg has gotten Import owners to trade thier Accord or Camry in Oh its hasnt the Malibu isnt doing its job which is why that number is under 5%

“Toyota just issued one the other day for tailpipes that might fall of Highlanders for no reason.” It was recalled for no reason and it was the clamp used to secure the stainless-steel exhaust TIP may get a crack. The exhaust is in no danger of falling off so get your facts straight. Nice try though

Selling more is nice but why dont you tell me which cars are worth more and have proven relaiability. Can you also tell me who selling off brands and beggint the US govt for money ????

Still two dick for SJ79? I guess that means you have Bubs and A4 in you now but please take a second to answer my questions
Its
Ford, down 30 percent Honda is down 24.5
Chevrolet, down 26.7

Cadillac, down 41.9 Acura, down 32.3
Sorry

Ford you have a good thing goin don’t screw it up. Through Redesigns that make perfect sense every time. Technology throughout.

1115, you always change the subject when actual data and not just opinion is brought into the conversation. Again you ask who has proven reliability. Please take a look at the data. BUT as I have said before the data does show that the spread is now awful small and quality should really not be an issue when looking at most marques. But as you say Honda is in the top half as is Buick and Ford. Chevy is just below average at 1.8 PPV with Honda at 1.5 PPV. Again almost no difference.

http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/news/releases/pressrelease.aspx?ID=2009043

carstuff, we can demonize one company or another, but I think the reason Honda sells and Toyota didn’t simply because of price points. I always believed that Honda is a better car (Accord and Civic vs. Camry Corolla), but those are personal preference based on subjective feelings (millions who bought Corolla and Camry disagree for same reasons). However, same options on Honda Accord cost less then on Camry. Accord is cheaper by couple of grand and that is all that counts in bad economy. Ditto Civic. Hondas are easy to buy: there 3 basic levels with few variations on each and 10 colors (more or less). Try to figure out what you need in Camry. I would bring the fact that Hyundai dropped only 14% as a proof that it’s all in the price.

Nice to see the Ridgeline down the toilet and the TL is DOA too for a new car.
The odd Honda numer is the Fit is down quite a bit too. Still, I’m happy to see Toyota sucking more wind than Ford, Honda, or Chevy!

http://automobiles.honda.com/news/press-releases-article.aspx?Article=5000

111FAG
you forgot about one car company that is down more than the ones you show I’ll give you two hint’s
They were down 42.2%
and there name Has the word toy somewhere in it.
Can you guess who it is?

CS- I will not open your link because as discussed JD Powers is invalid.
They are just an MR (marketing research) company. You can also quote consumer reports or the people that run studies for Ford if you would like. NADA and KBB are used in US courts of law and because I love this country so much those are the only factual and valid publications so far
The only time the pro domestic idiots us JDP or CS is when they think it will help their baseless arguments

Caddy V -”111 Fag” Im guessing that along with Bubs and A4 you were in SJ79 too ???
You forgot about which company had to kill off two brands this week and the other company that went had to go bankrupt
Can you guess who they are ?

Caddy V -”111 Fag” Im guessing that along with Bubs and A4 you were in SJ79 too ???

You forgot about which company had to kill off two brands this week and the other company that had to go bankrupt
Can you guess who they are ?

tripleonefive-

I don’t know why you insist on saying JDP and CS aren’t used in courts. They’re magazines of the trade that most judges wouldn’t even require to be certified expert. I’m not going to doubt you that NADA and KBB are used more, but can I see a source? And WHAT are they used for? These sources can all be used many different ways. I’m in law school and my girlfriend is graduating in a couple days. We’ve both had evidence (and both got good grades). Neither one of us has any clue what you’re talking about. Please explain better. Provide some sources. Otherwise, your argument is falling of deaf ears. If I have a chance later I’ll research the topic and see if there are some cases using the other sources. I’m just interested to see where you get your info before I dig into Lexis and Westlaw.

111FAG
Let me see is the company that is killing the brands the same company that out sold every car company in the WORLD for 77 years in a row? If so I think I know who it is.
The other company is Chrysler. Come on man that was easy.
Now what’s the answer to my Question?
Again two hint’s
They were down 42.2%
and there name Has the word toy somewhere in it.
Come on I know you can do it. Just take a shot.

hope japan big 3 can pass quick from that

by fresh sporty luxury reliable cars as in the 80th’s & 90th’s

and for toyota must have a soul cars with a real good design

Ouch. Suzuki is getting a beating…IMO they should pull out of the car market entirely and focus solely on their amazing bikes.

Strange, but the OEM’s use JD Power as internal benchmarks for both knowing where improvements are needed and how they are doing once the improvements are made. Strange also no one told them it was useless data. Strange also how the data results have shown vehicle improvement over the years and how most sane folks realize that the vehicles have also improved in their experiences.

Not sure why you think JDP is a marketing company? Yes they do allow companies( in all industries) to use their data. But their data is scientifically valid. And yes I have seen both their questionaires and the individual data points broken down. (This was over 8 years ago though) However CU has NEVER allowed anyone to see their data. Believe me, all the OEM’s have tried to get it.

And can you stop your juvenile lewd comments? You do drag this site down.

Borat, not sure how you got your price data. Now I have not done a thorough price comparison for 6 years but at that time the Accord and Camry tracked each other scarily close. Almost like they had an agreement.

castuff,

you should sue them for price fixing.

Glad to see some people are not brain washed like 1115. And he’s from Quebec that’s why his English is not that good.

Quebec??? So he is a Toyota fan boy and a possible separatist?? This just gets better and better.

Toyotas are awful vehicles and resale value is all in the toilet these days with how screwed everyone is. Not to mention everyone that buys a toyota is an ILL-INFORMED consumer and either sucks at negotiating or praises toyota without even looking at the competition, and unfortunately, these types of consumers are in abundance, however they do seem to be dying out now that the japanese flag is being pulled back from their faces. Put the camry in a line with the other major players and take the badge off. Which one would everyone else here pick? Certainly not a camry. Sit in the interior without the badges, and again, the camry really pulls up the rear, especially next to amazing interiors like the smaller Jetta, or Malibu. Toyotas are terrible fagnuts, deal with it.

This Just in.
Hendrix outselling Backstreet Boys.

Next time I read the L.A. Times and there’s a Spreen Honda ad in there point out the faults of KBB and how detached it is from reality.

AND put them all in a line with their warranties written across the windshield. Camry falls behind everyone else yet again.

GM: 100,000 miles
Chrysler: Lifetime
Ford’s is the same as toyotas and hondas but Ford comes with ROADSIDE COVERAGE for 5 years as well.
Hyundai beats them also.
Toyotas suck 1115. Face it.

Why do you idiots keep arguing with an import monkey who is worthless?

FACT … the tide has turned. The Japanese no longer make better vehicles. I have seen many friends’ Jap cars, which they bought believing they had made the right choice, fail in many respects and I laugh at how public perception can get skewed so easily. There is, no doubt, a delay in changing the mindset of those ignorant folks but time is the only factor in that change.

Sure, it took some time for parity but I’m not here to discuss why there ever was second-rate quality in the first place. Point is, things have changed and everyone, including those suckers who bought Jap because of supposed reputation, will benefit.

Seems they forgot Kia above. It’s gotta be out by now.

As a Nissan guy, I shall clear up the “nissan problem” mentioned by a few people above. Nissans are for Nissan guys. They have about average fuel economy, about average on reliability, slightly above average power, they cost a slight premium over the competition (Honda, Toyota), they don’t have a hybrid (the 8-state Altima doesn’t count), and their 2 biggest cars of the year are limited (and very limited)-volume sports cars (370Z and GT-R…Cube is just getting warmed up so it doesn’t count). The SUVs had thier make-over last year (refreshed Murano, brand new Rogue), and their bread and butter Versa, Altima, Maxima haven’t been updated since 2006/7. Nissan cars are for buyers who want a “sporty” drive and a generally good looking car and might pay a little more for the Altima than they would for an otherwise floaty Accord. But…this is why Nissan sales are currently down the tubes.

Perhaps new car buyers are finally realizing that it is in fact important to buy Amercian cars. Like a political campaign, every vote counts.

That said, I did an oil change on a brand new Buick Enclave today. First time I seen a car that the new GM 3.6 engine, so out of curiosity I popped the silly plastic cover off, and the first thing is see is a wiring harness with a Made in China tag on it. This country is FULL of idle factories and workers, and GM is buying parts from CHINA?

Foreign parts in American cars is nothing new. Bosch fuel injection components from Germany, exhaust manifolds from Canads, plastic panels from Mexico, NipponDenso AC compressors from Japan. That’s accepted and nothing wrong with in the global market in which we live today.

But to ship such a mundane part, a wiring harness, all the way over from CHINA is inexcusable.

I would like to know who’s responsible, GM? Delphi? Someone else? And it it made in a GM or Delphi factory in China, or bought FROM a 3rd party Chinese “company”. And who’s doing the quality control???????

Let me see is the company that is killing the brands the same company that out sold every car company in the WORLD for 77 years in a row?
The only thing that company has killed is brands two hint’s It starts with a G and ends with an M Im sure you can say it
They outsold companies but they sold and sell crap and that is why they are in the position they are in today
GM: 100,000 miles They are unreliable old and new so they have no choice
Chrysler: Lifetime Same
Ford’s Unreliable and “unsurpassed”.
So far I’m not impressed Being that Toyota and Honda’s are actual reliable its less likely they will need repairs and The Camry and Accord are still the class leaders over the Malibu Fusion and Sebring no matter how April 09 has gone.
Keep trying

1115: ????????

The are two main reasons why Toyota/Lexus corporate sales were down in the US compared to others:

1.) Lack of supply on key models.

Their best selling models: Camry, Prius and RX are all going through mid or full model changes. It is causing potential customers to wait on the sidelines until they are available. RX and Prius are close to 20 day supplies (super low if you don’t know). Now dealers are even begging for more Tundra production (which is interesting). In addition, it will be even more of a difficult year for Toyota/Lexus because they are going to go though 5-7 minor/major model changes this year, requiring precise supply management.

2.) Unwillingness to play with incentives to the extent of other manufacturers.

Toyota seems very reluctant to spend the amount of extra money to “buy a sale”, unlike what other manufacturers are doing with their “job-loss” programs. And honestly, I don’t think they care. Their primary goal is to get profitable before selling the most. They have also vowed to not join the incentive war, versus sell vehicles at a better price (ie RX 350 has a $800 reduced price with over $2000 worth of new standard features).

Either way, I expect Toyota to be well-positioned to catch the trend when this pent-up demand releases.

Faggy V -”Let me see is the company that is killing the brands the same company that out sold every car company in the WORLD for 77 years in a row?”
My response – The only thing that company has killed is brands two hint’s It starts with a G and ends with an M Im sure you can say it.They outsold companies but they sold and sell crap and that is why they are in the position they are in today

GaY4- On D3 Warranties
“GM: 100,000 miles – My response -They are unreliable old and new so they have no choice
Chrysler: My response- Lifetime Same
Ford’s” My response- Unreliable and “unsurpassed”.

Me again -So far I’m not impressed. Toyota’s and Honda’s are actual reliable therefore it’s less likely that they will need repairs. The Camry and Accord are still the class leaders in the segment. The Malibu Fusion and Sebring are not leaders in the segment and the sales figures from April 09 dont change that.

Keep trying

LMAO @ Kaizen. To summarize what he said ……
…….. “the main reason why Toyota/Lexus sales were down is that demand for
…….. their cars is so great that they could not supply it!”

Classic.

“However, there is an updated 2010 Carmy set to go on sale in March and, due in part to the sick economy, Toyota has an oversupply of the 2009 model.

According to Automotive News, Toyota ended January with a 77-day supply of Camrys. Since Toyota would like them to be sold out by the time the 2010 Camry arrives, Toyota has decided to increase incentives on the 2009 model. ”

try again

damn its hard to bull**** when somebody actually can get the facts

111,
Toyota’s Tundra and Tacomas have suspensions that are rusting out completely to the point that steering racks are falling out.
When the media catches on and the recalls start expect sales to slide further.
Toyota is going down, son.

When Chrysler offers lifetime warranty, which life they quoting? Their own? It is over for them.

carstuff, Accord EX $25,075 with auto delivered based on Honda web site (build your own car). Camry XLE $27,174 based on Toyota web site(identical method to selecting Honda). Try on your own.

1115: Toyota reliable? Yeah, think again buddy, you heard about the engine sludge history? Seriously, you’re one of those brainwashed Toyota fans that say, “I got a Toyota, so it’s gonna last forever”, well that’s not true, I hate people hating on people because one likes Toyota, and the other Chevy, Ford, Nissan, etc. Just please stop saying GM is unreliable, it really gets on my nerves when a Toyota fan says that GM is unreliable, then why are Toyota cars so painful to look at and extremely boring to drive, when Ford and Chevy have better looking cars. Don’t argue with me at all 1115 steve333 you forgot the throttle problems on the Tacoma, and the horrible frame on the Tundra. On GM, AND, Ford outselling Toyota, I didn’t really expect that. Maybe with the new Ford Fusion, or people are buying Chevy Aveos because it’s cheap and get’s very good gas mileage for it’s price. 1115 don’t say the Prius get’s more gas mileage because the Prius is the most boring and ugliest car I’ve seen.

orangecones I agree….Nissan needs a hybrid and also the cube. Nothing really to worry as the whole car market id down > 30%

Steve
Any day now you’ll back up your flights of fancy, under your S-10, with data on more than one freak unit
I could name hundreds of domestics recalls and issues that would dwarf Toyota/Honda.

Saab
Toyotas are more reliable than anything you drive, or have ever heard of, and you know this!
Man!
Reliability is a relative term
Current GM’s, and Ford’s, are reliable, approaching Honda and Toyota, as the studies show
Nothing is bulletproof, but Toyotas are closest
And you know this
So don’t playa-hate
Appreciate!
DrFill

Kaizen’s excuses are precious. Toyota’s sales are down because they cant keep up with the demand for their “hot” products. Got it!

Triple on stupid is too hurt to acknowledge that GM was able to outpace Toyota even though they are closing brands and on the brink of bankruptcy. If Toyota cant outperform GM under these circumstances they are pathetic. Period. BTW, I have a feeling that next week’s Q1 sales results from Toyota are going to show them behind GM in sales. GM has already sold more vehicles than VW in the first quarter. Add that to a $7B loss and there is trouble in Toyota City. Toyota has rested on their laurels for too long and they are bloated. Ford and Hyundai are emerging as formidable competitors and meanwhile they cant even top GM in the US market in spite of all GM’s problems.

OH yeah, the CTS outsold the ES, TL and G37 last month. I know the truth hurts.

“Just please stop saying GM is unreliable, then why are Toyota cars so painful to look at and extremely boring to drive, when Ford and Chevy have better looking cars”.
Ok …………..looks are subjective you dolt! The FACTS are on Toyotas side and they are PROVEN reliable and their resale value is higher bc of it. There is no solid proof that GM builds reliable cars. The old cars get recalled and their new cars (Malibu Lambda CUV’s were recalled )get recalled

“1115 don’t say the Prius get’s more gas mileage because the Prius is the most boring and ugliest car I’ve seen”. Ok so bc you think a car is ugly means it doesnt get better gas mileage ?
RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT

1115 your right about GM but wrong about Ford. I own one and I have owned Nissan, and Honda
currently Ford. And Ford’s quality is right at the top. I can honestly vouche for Ford. Aside from the fact did slide for a few years when the Ford Kids took control. The Quality was there still. I have a 2001 Taurus SES with 135,000 Miles no major repairs to engine or Transmission, and Fit and Finish it excellent.
This car is definitely capable of going to 500,000 miles with no major repairs why? Everything was built correctly from the start.

1115 You skew facts like nancy pelosi only to fit your argument go **** yourself

orangecones.. the Maxima was all-new just a few months ago, introduced between the GT-R and the 370Z.

Fill- Toyota is half the quality of a Honda. Honda doesn’t sell to rental car companies like Toyota. I can always count on you to defend the almighty Toyota…almost like you work for them…but I’m not a Doctor like you, so whatever. People on blogs that have to call themselves “Doctor”, need a checkup from the neckup.

1115 – get something straight: Reliability is not a fact. Your Toyota could be plagued with problems, and when the reliability survey comes out, you could say that it doesn’t have any, send the survey in, and ta-da! Your Toyota is instantly reliable! IT’S CALLED BRAND LOYALTY.

Anyway, I’m glad that GM is starting to see some gain with Chevrolet. Every little bit counts.

JD
Like the rest of the haters here, it would be nice if you knew some facts before you post
Do you know what ‘Yota’s fleet rate is?
Even you are not that ignorant regarding Toyota/Honda quality
DrFill

Mark/model fleet percentages (based on first half 2008 numbers, not sales weighted, simple math)
Honda 3%
Toyota (Not incl Scion) 12%
Nissan 16%
Industry average 21%
Hyundai/Kia 23%
F-Series 29%
Silverado 20%
Camry 8%
Accord 2.5%

Silverado #1 in retail sales
F-Series #2
Camry #3
DrFill

What I find interesting is that the 2010 Fusion now hitting dealers is doing well. It’s hard NOT to do well–the Fusion Hybrid is in high demand, and even the lesser models with the 2.5-liter I-4 engine is no slouch, thanks to the use of a six-speed automatic to improve acceleration and fuel economy.

And Ford can only get better, too. The Fiesta coming early in 2010 will sport the new “Powershift” dual-clutch transmission for good acceleration and excellent fuel economy, and by fall 2010 we will see the new Focus, which I predict will be a HOT seller.

Reliability is a fact. Toyota is PROVEN reliable!
Every little bit counts- Keep thinking that

Chevrolet’s percentage went down, their raw sales were higher but they’ve had greater losses.

Also, the reason that Toyota’s don’t need to be bought is that they last longer, and thus a new one is not needed as often. Simple, simple, simple, simple.

DrFill is bragging about 12% of Toyotas going to fleets? Thats interesting. There was a time when such a figure would’ve been unthinkable for Toyota.

tripleonefive wrote:
…….“Every little bit counts- Keep thinking that”

1115, the expert on “little bits”

SJ
If showing things that I know, that you don’t, is “bragging”, than I better get off this planet

You and JD should get a blank sheet of paper and write down what you two know, so I can “brag” a lot less

Your handing back the paper blank might be a risk I’ll have to take
DrFill

If DrFill made his own blog, I’d probably pay money to join.

Ford’s #1 on that list!

111FAG, I guess you better bend over and take the big one you faggot!
Maybe Fiat will buy your darling slut Toyota!

Here’s to hoping that the Nissan Cube gives the company one of those proverbial kicks in the pants…but what orangecones stated is true, it seems like Nissan is really a niche car these days. Aside from the 370Z or the GT-R, I can’t for the life of me determine why I’d get an Altima or Maxima, or even any of their trucks.

Of course, I’m a Z fan, so go figure, I still buy from them.

Awesome. So far every excuse given by the Toyota fanboys has been so thin I can see the circuitry behind my laptop screen. Really, if a GM proponent even tried to use any of those lame excuses, you would all be ridiculing them just as much as you’re getting it now. Sales are down because production can’t keep up with demand? Wat?!?!?!? Production is down because they idled factories. They idled factories because sales were down. Sales were down because demand plummeted. Get your heads on straight.

1115, you are more and more of a joke every time I read one of your twists. If you had the capacity to read anything in context, you might have a chance at making a little sense of this world we live in. Though I’m sure you’re well aware that you quote everything out of context. You know full well what he was getting at with that Prius comment. He was saying fuel efficient models were helping the uptick in sales for GM, and not to reply about the Prius and its FE. He wasn’t saying no amount of efficiency can make up for being ugly as sin, not that being ugly made it hard on fuel. You know what he was saying, and so do the rest of us with a high school education. We all know your other problem, which is a complete inability to answer a direct question.

So Toyota lost market share. Deal with it. You’ve been poking fun at everyone else who has been watching their own favourite brands experience the same since 2005. Time to suck it up and take your lumps in return. You are a twister of words and a hypocrite.

I’m mostly shocked that the Corolla lost so many sales. The Corolla is a bulletproof little car. They are without a doubt a reliable Toyota. That doesn’t make everything the company makes, or even most of its models, reliable, though.

Resale values don’t reflect reliability or quality, but you can’t be told that enough, can you. They reflect public opinion, and nothing else. Resale is what someone is WILLING to spend on the used vehicle, not what it’s worth or how long it will last. Truth lies in numbers, not opinions.

edit

“He WAS saying no amount of efficiency can make up for being ugly as sin…”

oldraven- The Corolla may be bulletproof, but the grounds on which people say that Toyota’s in general are reliable are not based SOLELY on the Corolla. I’ve owned two very high mileage Camrys, one 1989 and one 1991, both wagons, which would start every day and do everything asked of them, the only reason I’m not still in the first was an accident.

There are tons of Toyotas that last and last and last that aren’t Corollas, man. They have a great history in that respect. The trucks powertrainwise are indestructible, don’t let body rot fool you into thinking that engine won’t run forever if it’s kept in good shape and oiled when it needs to be. The Camry and Corolla are indestructible… etc etc etc

oldraven: are you talking about me about my comment to 1115 about the Prius? Well the Prius is an okay car but the general public say it’s the most enviormentaly friendly car in the world, they are wrong, as the never heard of the plant that makes the batteries which is extremely dirty. God I hate the general public on cars, they know nothing and I have to educate them.

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DrFill

This site is FILLED with idiots and their B.S. … the Camry is NOT bulletproof … look at its history in the last 10 years and ask those who have had SHIAT to deal with, and they’ll tell you FACTS, not the B.S. being spewed here.

If you don’t know what you’re talking about, then SHADAP.

Impulsive
If you can find a better car, buy it
Camry is smokin the market like blunt
Don’t playa-hate
Appreciate!

The people have made their choice
Put your food stamps where your mouth is
DrFill

Give it up ‘DrFool’, the Camry is NOT bulletproof … that is a FACT. Add to this, the FACT that it is unattractive and you’ve got an F for FAILURE. Kinda like you.

I own you. Peasant. Come back when you can offer something of value, not hollow street talk. I love making you look foolish week after week after week.

“Don’t playa-hate
Appreciate!”

Good lord, please refrain from using this phrase ever again.

What do you expect from a chimp?

DrFill: Okay, the Camry is smokin the market, but only old people buy the Camry. I really think that Impulsive is right, it’s a fact that the Camry is unattractive, as people should watch the KBB video comparing the Chevy Malibu, Toyota Camry, Hyundai Sonata, Ford Fusion, Honda Accord, and Nissan Altima, and the Camry was ranked 5/6 (what a shocker) because of it’s styling, interior and driving dynamics. I think the one with the best appeal to people in their 20s (me), is either the Ford Fusion, (because of the “sync” system, very good styling on both 2009 and 2010 models, and driving dynamics) or Nissan Altima, (styling, driving dynamics, and engines). See the KBB comparison http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7oqlP7NaGQ

Attaboy, ’save saab’, stick with me …. the ONLY one to post FACT every single time.

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