“Expect pricing to be a bit higher”
Well, that pretty much sums it up! 60hp less, 2000$ more!

Where were all those diesel engines before ?

It’s good that oil burners are coming to our shores, but 2.0 diesel from 1-Series BMW produces 177 hp and 258 lb ft in old application with combined economy of 58.9mpg (imperial) manual and 52.3 mpg for automatic. But in new application (in 123d), same displacement as old 120d (1995cc) it makes 204hp and 295lb ft of torque with 54.3mpg (50.4 mpg for auto). It makes over 100hp per liter of displacement!
So VW… er… Audi is trying to find fools to unload it’s ancient technology! 140hp from 2-liter engine is PATHETIC!!!

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In Europe probably. I’m glad to see that this engine is coming over though, great fuel economy and you know people are gonna tune it. wonder if they’re gonna offer it with quattro though.

GREAT! BUT GIVE US QUATTRO AND A MANUAL!!!! Hell, after all this time waiting I’ll settle for the 2.0T with quattro and a manual.

Oh man, this will be a winner. A sporty, small wagon with power and 40 mpg. Thank you Audi! But yes, please put a 5-speed in that thing!

Agreed, give me a manual box would be quite excellent in this. Wonder why NMOFGM hasn’t chimed in for a wihle, not like I’m complaining.

i’ve been dreaming of this 2.0 TDI for so long……..THANK YOU!!!!

it’s weird , i always thought Americans prefer automatic transmissions

Stinky…apparently you aren’t familiar with the concept of torque. 236lb ft. of torque is a great number from a 2.0L four cylinder (diesel), and plenty for a car the A3’s size. And Bimmer you should include the weights of those motors as well. Power means nothing if it costs you hundreds of pounds in weight to make.

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That torque figure looks nice, but I still wonder how it has less torque than the EA 888 which is a 2.0T four-banger than runs on gas and makes 258ft-lbs over a decent band. If the gas engine provides more torque than the diesel then why get the diesel? Fuel-consumption might be there, but diesel is expensive here.

I said this before….

Europeans can keep their diesel’s on their side of the pond. Gas here is cheap and plentiful, and by the next time when it isn’t, We’ll have Ford – GM – Honda – Toyota to thank for various electric cars. Oil burners will never carry the smotthness of a modern direct-injection gas burner or an electric car. What do you need all that torque for? You towing something in the overpriced version of the GTI? My 2.0T gets anywhere from 29-34 anyway and doesn’t sound like a school bus on cold mornings.With the price of diesel being more than 30% more expensive, the 20% fuel mprovement in gas milage doesn’t sound so great.

I hope this is the begging of a new trend…

as soon as its confirmed that a manual transmission will be available ill print out this article and walk down to the dealership with a deposit.

Yeah, no manual gearbox, and no quattro, not to mention NO MANUAL GEARBOX. Yes, I had to say it twice, although the high price of diesel is also turns me off to the car.

Scratchy, I think Americans, in general, do prefer automatic transmissions, but that doesn’t mean that all Americans prefer them.

i want it!! why not the 170 hp 2.0 TDI version they already have in europe though ??

Nice. This car will be about 100 times more fun to drive than a Prius, while getting similar fuel economy.

This car will be 100 time more fun to drive then any V6, because it has same torque and less weight on front wheels. It could be 200 times more fun to drive with real 3 pedal version, but it is a good start.

Well everyone, let’s see how it turns out, this could be a cool little car. The high price of diesel won’t help though

Maybe we can start a company that does a manual swap out of a Jetta TDI

clearly aimed at the intellectual elite!

Leftwingagenda, you mean the pseudointellectual elite. True intellectuals dont buy into leftist dogma.

This is today’s good news. I wonder how Acura or Honda will fvck it up?… Super sweet deal though. This car was promising since it first arrived on our shores. It just keeps getting better and better

Smegley Wanxalot , you mean intellectuals like Sarah Palin ? or better , the ones who voted for her ?

This car is for idiots (to paraphrase Audi fuhrer) ! You can get Jetta with the same engine for 23K and Golf next year even for less!

2 quesitons:
Tax breaks?
and
MANUAL?
christ, VWAG.

This is alot of coin more than a Jetta TDI for a couple nice perks and a better name brand, and I’d probably be the idiot to spent it because I’m that shallow.

$30,000 for an Audi A3??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHahahahahahahahaha . . . It’s an AUDI . . . COME ON!!!

There are Ox carts that are less embarrassing to drive. The only Audi I ever liked was my grandmother’s TT and that was for sentimental reasons (it tended to have a lot of problems with its computer). It’s like driving a BMW M anything or a 3 series Beemer. Folks will stare, but then they usually whisper something and giggling ensues.

Well it is only $1,200 more than a comparably equipped petrol version. Its JUST as overpriced as the gasoline powered one is to the 2.0T Jetta. So obviously it will sell.

@lionw/opride….. go pound sand

Next you’ll see people clamoring for a 98hp version of it for $35K. No thanks, I can think of many other cars to spend $30K on that offer a better value.

When you go to build the 2010 A3 TDI on AudiUSA.com it lists the starting price at $27,270 for a manual. Starting price for the automatic is $28,750.

Nevermind my previous comment is not true

Lionwithoutpride, obviously you hurt feelings of Audi salesmen. They are used to me poking fun, but yours was salt on injury.

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How do you know when a lawyer is unsuccessful? He drives a BMW!!!

Don’t worry, I’m typing with one hand while I pound this sand. Very stimulating.

p.s. Did you read any other LLN articles today that might give you a hint as to why I made my comment? Dang yer swift . . . like yer screename.

p.p.s. No-no-no, I totally meant I LIKE your screename . . .

But A4 if you get one of these, you’d have to change your name, wouldn’t you?….

Did I hurt ur feelings? It sure sounds like it. Sheesh!

P.s. I didn’t buy a truck because of its swiftness

Bimmer I think the engine in the 123d is a twin turbo application, thus the more power, but you are right this is underpowered compared to its competitors, I’ve seen this same engine in 170 hp form, now why can’t we get that one

^^^good you fit in a car?

could you fit in a car?

a guy that goes by the name Smegley Wanxalot is a neocon advocate, and you wonder why i sit on this side of the fence

Anyone ever considered that the diesels have shorter service intervals (at least in EU)? Add that to the price extra, the fuel price difference and the lack of HP compared to the 2.0T and you get what? A really BAD deal!

Lol Borat, yes I can fit in a car… not a TT tho, I feel like the incredible hulk with my knees in my face!

Hulk smash!

Leftwing – just don’t use the term “intellectual elite” – it sounds like you’re an a$$. I think that’s what he was getting at. I don’t care, I don’t think you’re an a$$, but that really sounds like something some Hollywood blowhard would say.

How is someone else posting under my name on this post?

30,000$ = 21,051 Euros. The list price for the same car with same engine in Germany is: 26,700 Euros = 38,050$. And you are complaining ???

I think they don’t bring the 170hp version because the U.S. rules about diesel are stricter than in europe. Even in Europe, EURO 5 and EURO 6 are severely increasing development costs of diesels to meet these targets (btw VW is lacking in this field, Fiat and PSA are closer to meet EURO 5 and EURO 6 for diesel than VW). They need to add a plaethora of exhaust treatment devices like particule filters, 3 oxicat etc… But the point is that diesels are selling well in Europe, so they can pay back their R&D.
Why VW would trouble itself with developping the 170hp for the US regulations, so that only a few people would buy the more powerful engine (which would obviously cost way more).

How can the cheaper GTI get better looking guages that are obviously more expensive to make?

jake, i was making a reference to the other audi thread about the executive dude saying hybrid buyers are just trying to be “intellectual elitists” or w/e the exact phrasing was…i figured that was fair game on audi threads today…

look what you did, jake, you made me go quote that text:

de Nysschen admits plug-in hybrids have an advantage over diesel in stop-and-go driving, but feels the majority of hybrid buyers are still trying to make a statement. “They’re for the intellectual elite who want to show what enlightened souls they are,” he added.

These diesels are all in Europe and are truly fantastic. I’ve spent a lot of time driving them. That said, the engines do suffer from our lower quality diesel here in the states.

What I don’t get is why these companies bringing the diesel to the US make them only available fully equipped. Trying to enter the market it doesn’t make sense. I wish you could buy cars spec’ed to the European standard instead. Give me the 2.0 Liter, Quattro, a manual transmission and Xenons and keep the rest. The people buying a diesel aren’t going to want a fully loaded car.

Gundy –

The S-tronic automatic is the AUDI version of VW’s DSG transmission. So it will be either a 6 or 7-speed dual clutch transmission.

this may be my next car.
audi should have been selling this engine for years in the u.s.

volo , you are doing it wrong , this forum is for bashing and making fun of stuff

Jake, to paraphrase Audi fuhrer A3 is for idiots. Here you go, that is why dash in cheaper VW looks better.

Talk about one being an idiot, speding $30K on this econobox definitely qualifies!!!

Okay, okay. I see leftwing. I’m sorry. I was just confused on the whole you fighting back with the Neocon comment. Like you defending what you said, making it seem as you were saying it in a serious way.

Thanks Audi, for the new hatchback Jetta, but only 10k more. Can I just buy a $50 Audi badge and replace it on the Jetta?

no worries, jake, glad it’s all good

All of you guys whining about diesel prices obviously don’t live in CA… Premium here costs at least 25 cents more per gallon than diesel.

And most of the eco-freaks out here want every option, drive 85 in the slow lane, and have an automatic… thus the configuration. Ugh.

I would NEVER pay over $30,000 for a compact car with 140 hp. That’s how much a base model TDI A3 would cost with destination. This car in my opinion is the biggest rip-off in the world! There are too many options that will get almost the same fuel mileage, and is just as fun to drive for tens of thousands of dollars less. Good luck with Audi triyng to sell this model to McDonalds-loving American fat-asses! It will only motivate people to get the Jetta TDI instead. Less money + more room + same engine = no brainer.

What most people in the U.S. don’t realize is that most of these models have been in production for years.
It is due to our own Cluster-Phuck government (EPA and DOT) as well as the BIg 3 lobbyists that keep these kinds of cars that we seek – out of our reach. Yes, the A3 TDI is a bit pricey with it’s base price. But I’d gladly pay more for an Audi before I waste my money on a Volt or a piece-of-$hit Toyota Prius.
There’s my 3 cent’s….