Cant wait form my 2030 3cyl diesel electric hybrid turbo sport edition.

Dodge Challenger SRT-8 with a lifetime powertrain warranty just got a lot more attractive than it already was!

I suppose we should all start taking very good care of our rear wheel drive vehicles, because for some reason automakers seem to equate RWD with poor milage. They won’t be around much longer.

Margo Oge is just a b$%^# on a power trip. We should have put an emmissions law on all that pot smoking they did in the 60’s and a retard law for the idea’s they’re proposing today with their shrunken brain cells.

We’ll still have gas in 2030?

the government plans on taking a one sided approach to reducing emissions and this is what we get. They are doing little to address demand or the other industries responsible for emissions. The automakers are the easy target and they will keep hitting them. As cars get weaker, smaller and more expensive people will start holding on to vehicles longer. That isnt good news for the auto industry.

whether we like it or not, it has to happen, oil is running out, and oil isn’t just for cars, its for all the products we use. Its just going to get worse from now on, by 2030 the world population will be double what it is now, imagine 12 billion people on this planet who want energy and food and products. It won’t be long after that that a one child policy will be issued for all of us, and those with a criminal record will not be allowed to have children at all, and those with a college education will be allowed to have more than one child. Some may laugh at this, but it will happen, it has to happen, there just is no other choice, thats the cold hard fact.

It’ll never happen. I can see 35MPG… that’s pretty realistic. I could understand maybe 40MPG. But an average of 75? Come on… I don’t know of any hybrid out there right now that can get 75 in real-world driving.

Perhaps the next civil war will be between the regular folks and the tree huggin, long haired, climate warm worshiping, snail saving, making fire with flint, mushroom eating, stop everyone from having fun, stinkin, useless, leaches on society that try to tell the rest of us how to think and live.
Advantage: us.

I’m laughing moto-racer13. I hope Hollywood doesn’t read your post or we’ll soon be looking forward to Will Smith ripping off another Chuck Heston classic- Soylent Green.

again does it matter? the world is ending in 2012 anyway- according to the Mayan Calendar :-/
so burn and pollute while you can!

It is really no big deal, they should make it 150mpg, necessity breeds invention. You guys really need to stop clinging to the past.

If 75 MPG happens, it is the end of the automobile. I doubt the American public will tolerate that or their imperial federal government. Even elitist tree huggers will not be able to afford the fuel cell vehicles. Can someone bring us back to reality? Also, the population will not double by 2030. There will be such stress on resources, war and famine will put a dent on it.

Johnny you are the most ignorant Canadian I know of, and I know alot of Canadians and they are nothing like you. You might as well wear a shirt with the confederate flag and watch nascar while your overweight wife cooks you kraft dinner for breakfast.

It will only be a few years until they will limit the things you buy, the fuel you use and the places you go in the name of “global warming”.

Don’t see it coming? They already do. Look at your fuel prices, jet prices, and then economists talking about this domino effect; it’s already happening.

But you retards saying it’s because oil is running out; where do you have your heads, up your asses? Do you realize that in Alaska, NPR-A region was set aside some 80 or so years ago as an untapped oil reserve for the military? Over 10 million acres, untapped and it won’t be tapped; because congress refuses to do so. Same with “American interests” in the Gulf Coast, Congress and other green missions refuse to allow us to do so. Russia as we speak, are setting up “claims” in the Northern Region/Antarctic 14,000 feet below sea level, and so are other nations, because they understand there are vasts amount of oil deep under. Why aren’t we? American gas companies can claim there’s a shortage of gas, it gets green thinking economists pants up in a wade, and it satisfies investors.

It’s not about what we want, it’s about profits, and I’m tired of getting ripped off. Nobodies saying we shouldn’t have cars that do 150 miles to the gallon because their “clinging to the past”; I’m really tired of that sad old excuse too for a lack of intelligence.

Technology is there for vehicles that can get 60 miles to the gallon on the market today; GM, Chrysler and Ford have all done it with mid size, good looking vehicles with predicted prices around $30k. There are cars that you can build that will get 100 miles to the gallon; I’ve actually been considering trying it out myself, one grand and some plans. Global warming is BS; but that doesn’t stop me from considering other things, like solar panels and growing some of my own food, which I already do. Pretty simple and easy, and best of all I’m not funding some bull**** company.

the world has plenty of gas, nobody is running out, MPGs are stupid, we need to be looking at CO2. The 268 hp V6 Accord Coupe averages no better than 20 mpg’s im sure, but it is rated as a Partial-Zero-Emission Vehicle (PZEV). Thats what standards the government should be achieving, not mileage.

johnny- So I’m guessing we’ll be recycling humans too, right?

moto-racer13: you want to insult me, go ahead. Leave my family out of it.

I’d like to recycle moto-racer13 right about now.

75 is crazy

so what was the whole point of solar panels? i always used to turn on TV and see solar panel cars and students building them or some company doing long distance drives, so what was the whole point? that it can be done but not put it into production? seems now like a waste of time if they never went any further than just a “show”.

Apparently Margo never took a Physics class (or failed it).

75 MPG is fine, if you redefine gallons of ‘what’. A vehicle running E85 and getting 20 MPG is already getting 133 MPG of GASOLINE. So if you’re just looking at non-renewable consumption, I can see 75 happening.

GM will buy Harley davidson

DING, DING, DING … ‘Eddie Willers’, you are today’s winner on “YOUR OPINION’S RIGHT”!!!

When the loooooons … are in the Congress housssse….
And tree-huggerrrrrs … can set the barrrr….
Then guillllt … they’ll order you to feeeeeel….
As theyyyyyy … purge us from cars!

THIS IS THE DAWNING OF THE AGE OF NO CARS FOR US
THE AGE OF NO CARS FOR US————
NO CARS FOR US————!
NO . CARS . FOR . US——

Feeling guilty for your “brother,”
Taxed to death to pay for others,
Be lucky to drive a Yaris
as these bleeding heart fags scare us
in to hating life to wear us
out, no cars for US————!
NO . CARS . FOR . US——

OK…I guess by then car driving would be dead anyway, right? They’ll probably all be autonomous glorified toasters…sigh…

re-****ing-tarded

Most of you guys aren’t old enough to remember, but this whole argument sounds like the air pollution arguments of the ’60s and ’70s. The big evil gummint set these terrible emission standards; the auto makers said “No way! This can never happen! This is the death of the auto industry! The era of performance cars is over.” Much wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Now cars emit literally 1/100th the emissions of cars in the ’60s; the average family car today blows the doors off the typical “performance” car of the ’70s (when 0-60 in 10 seconds was serious sports car territory); average fuel economy is much higher; yada yada. And hey, the air’s cleaner too. Amazing.

Even though the CAFE proposal is total speculation, 75mpg in a gas or diesel engined plug-in hybrid wouldn’t be impossible (there are plug-in modded Priuses that get 100 mpg now).

I’d give auto engineers some credit for stepping up to challenges like this one.

injunraiv,
Interesting approach. I understand your math, but I’m fairly certain that wasn’t the EPA’s thinking when they made the comment. According to LLN, the EPA says 75 mpg is needed to comply with increasingly stringent greenhouse emissions.

Whether your burning alcohol or gas, the EPA wants us to burn less of it per mile traveled.

Time to invest in Tesla and Fisker, yes?

This is proof that our government is just a bunch of communist crooks. What freedoms are we going to have by 2030? Everything will be so regulated that we will need to check our gov’t issued handbook to make sure we are wiping our @$$’s legally. I can understand the 35mpg standard for a fleet. Why not just make automanufactures include an alternative fuel in their line ups along with the gasoline engine cars?

i hope i dont live that long

The US will be overrun and destroyed by mexicans (or china) long before then, so don’t sweat it.

Don’t forget, once the government “fixes” (aka: destroys) the ills of the auto industry, they’ll shift their focus towards stopping us “ordinary” citizens and their little garages from stepping in and filling the void by rebuilding older automobiles. And those of you who think you’ll be allowed to own a 30-year-old rear wheel drive gas auto… think again. Remember, there’s nothing like the second amendment to protect your “right to bare cars”.

“They came for my neighbor, and I said nothing.”

I think that it will be like the 70s, high powered rear wheel drive cars get swapped for little tiny cars. So buy your new 08 challengers and 09 camaros now so 30 years from now they will be worth alot.

Soylent Green-powered cars is the wave of the future. Addresses the population troubles as well as the fuel economy issues, and it’s even got the word “Green” in it for all of you new-wave marketing folks!

Exactly, Brendino. Now that’s a future we can all live with!

johnny, I apologies for motor-racer or whatever he is racing. Looks to me like he is quick with his mouth or keyboard at this point. He started with good intention, but could not handle whatever low level of decency we have on this post and started insults. Perhaps it is genetics or adolescence or both. The intellect level in great country of ours is at all time low at the moment if measured by our student body test results. I am sure motor-racer did not get to decent college due poor grades and low SAT (if he even took one).

On the subject of 75 mpg in 22 years: it will be easily achieved. And probably not by decree but by economic reality. Oil is $115/barrel and 3 months ago I was threatening this forum with $100 price when it reached $90. Let me remind that in less then 6 months price of oil went up 25%. Pundits are not predicting that pace to slow down. We just learned that Russia has trouble keeping up with supply and fulfilling signed contracts. Market (as in supply/demand) will force 35 mpg by 2015 and 50 by 2020.

autonut, I’m not raising kids like him/her and I have no doubt neither are you. Gotta love the Internet; it’s easy to be built like Topher Grace and pretend to be Schwarzenegger.

Back on topic, my province alone is going to rake in over 200 million this year just by selling drilling rights. There is a lot of oil left in this planet trouble is now they have to work for it. The Jed Clampett days are far behind us.

Citizens automobiles aren’t the one’s to attack with these regulations, industry is. I wonder what they’re doing to punish companies that pollute at a much higher rate? Why don’t I ever hear about that. Gas prices are one thing, I don’t want to hear about pollution.

Johnny, forget about Alberta’s oil sands. IT’s hard to refine, very expensive. I don’t think there’s enough there for the existing earht’s populations, let alone the 12-15 billion speculated by 2030.

I agree with Moto-Racer, I think there will be some serious population control starting in 15 years. Maybe not government-enforced like in China, but when the world outgrows it’s supply of food and gets overrun with scum, people will think twice about bringing babies into this hellhole. Cars and mpg will be the least of our worries. I’m scared there won’t be enough farmers around to produce for the world.

I hear bells tolling for cars…

You can always get a driving game for Playstation 3 or Xbox, those car’s get unlimited MPG’s.

LOL S.G.T will be the sport model with larger injectors,thanks Brendino I needed that.3 large mansions< Beautiful,$200,000 speaking engagements<Wonderful,A carbon trading business to cover my co2 emissions<Priceless.Well I see Mr Gore has done his part to help out.Of course Gores grand father made his millions with Mr Hammer and the Occidential Oil Company from Russia with love.When can 1/3 of 1 percent of the environment cause any of the global change problems that are being used to destroy the Bill Of Rights and the Constitution,only when the U.N. has said it is.Also check the Bakken Formation in the mid west its a good read.

75 mpg?! What the HELL are they smoking?

Some goood **** cause you cannot call it fuel mileage if the vehicle is not using fuel ehh…