It’d be nice if I could get my $9000 back

Loonie abuse.
maybe they can explain what you got for your $9,000. I think canadians just get gypped in general.

How else country can collect from citizenry for free health benefits? US has the lowest car prices, because of lower tax structure. However, it is customary to screw Canadians. Even this law firm will pocket huge fees for its troubles, and Canadian citizens will get more free health care.

corporations are not here to serve you. they are FOR PROFIT organization. if you think it’s too expensive, then dont buy it. go get a good used car!

roadrage-> I bet you said the same thing when gas prices hit $3.00 / gallon too. right…. Price gouging still exists on used cars too, they don’t magically reduce to American prices because someone has owned it.

does anything restrict canadians from simply buying their vehicle in the US and then driving it back across the border?

Roadrage, I would normally agree with you, but when you see the Canadian dollar hit parity and the price won’t drop, you get pissed off. If you’re in the market for a new car, say you have your heart set on some new model, you don’t want to get shafted for nothing.

Sean, you can drive over the border and get a car, pay some duties at the border, and still come out WAY cheaper than buying off a Canadian lot – the problem begins with warranty issues – all the major auto manufacturers have clauses mandating voiding of the warranty if it crosses the border before something like 12 or 18 months. So you would have to find a car that is bought by someone and sitting unused in a driveway for > 1 year in order to bypass the clause. Obviously not going to happen.

Canada has a different set of standards just like every other country. Granted its very close to the US. Any difference dealing with another country, their govt and standards is distributed across all cars sold. The US buys many more cars so those fixed costs per car are much lower than Canada that buys fewer cars.

Thats not to say 38% isnt a little high. But Canada cant expect to pay the same as the US becasue they dont buy as many cars. Canada doesnt have the leverage the US has due to the volume we buy.

I’d say there’s a pretty solid case on price fixing there.

I think that they have a case, but you have a case for $50,000, definetely not $2 billion

Then I suppose I should start a class action suit claiming drug companies charge Canadians less and it’s unfair. I should also file a class action against cell phone carriers for charging more or less across different “markets” within the same country. I wonder what a bottle of Labatt costs in Canada vs the US. I may have another class action there.

It’s business. I can tell you their defense will be something to the effect of ‘where were the complaints when we charged less when the dollar was high?’. I don’t see how Toyota, GM, and Ford could all be in cahoots for price fixing. They are direct competitors. They watch each other’s pricing and compete accordingly.

ok…no one really gives a flying xxxx abotu canada anyway..I mean come on how long will this “equal to the US dollar last”?…not long at all..so the hell what Ours will be back up in a yr or so

True, Piablo, but look; consider the American and Canadian markets are conjoined, since they don’t have a large number of unique models up there; so, why when the Canadian market is doing well, should the prices be 35% or so higher? It doesn’t matter if they sell less in Canada, they’re still coming from the same factories, the only difference would be transportation (which some plants are located in Canada in the first place). It’s the same cars, with the same options, yet even when our dollar isn’t doing too great, and they’re currency is, their prices are a hell of a lot higher. Seems a little silly to me, justifying a 10% difference isn’t that bad, but 38%? No.

I can hear Cramer saying “BOOYA!!!”

JjAY: “why when the Canadian market is doing well, should the prices be 35% or so higher?”

It shouldn’t, but canadians have shown they’re willing to pay those prices. I say y’all should stot buying new cars until automakers (to paraphrase “The Captain”) get their minds right

Jackjim: This article shows differently. And people chose to buy a vehicle in Canada because I understand there are alot of warranty problems with transferring a vehicle; you end up almost stuck buying a vehicle in Canada, if you plan to drive it in Canada.

Many issues here:

1. Certain manufacturers offer NO warranty on cars imported into Canada from the U.S. … Chrysler, Honda and Acura, and Mazda. Certain manufacturers limit warranty … Nissan and GM (6 months ownership before a claim can be made). BMW will honour warranty but not free service during warranty.

2. Certain manufacturers are trying to avoid ticking off Canadian dealers by not allowing U.S. dealers to sell new cars to Canadians … Toyota and Lexus, Audi, Nissan and Infiniti (as of late) … most of which probably can be bought further South (it’s the northern states that have been directed to stop Canadian purchases).

3. This lawsuit is misdirected as the issue of being “ripped off” in Canada has only arisen since the loonie has climbed above 80 cents. When the loonie was between 63 and 80 cents, everyone from the U.S. was going north to buy cheaper cars … only now has the situation reversed. What the lawsuit should address is the premise that free trade must permit the cross border shopping of most anything (duties and taxes appropriately charged) and that includes vehicles. If temporary currency fluctuations exist, consumers should be allowed to benefit from competition.

4. Because of factors like residual values, numbers of ports in a country (according to BMW), English AND French language laws, etcetera, it is impossible to equate dollar values of cars in both countries at all times, so it will take some time for manufacturers to rein in the discrepancy that presently exists where the two currencies are pretty well at par.

… and to add to the third point …

Manufacturers should not be permitted to void warranties, limit warranties or refuse purchases under free trade. Quite ironic that Honda charges more for the Civic Si, that is built in Ontario, to Canadians.

so buy your car over the border if you dont like it.

Americans are getting ripped off compared to cars prices in Mexico! O no!

A4 are you that dumb or just stupid? There is a big difference on importation of vehicles from 3rd world countries (Mexico) and the US/Canada. Seriously, why do you think a large portion of imported vehicles come through Houston,Texas?, its because they import the vehicles through Mexico then ship to a US port duty free, AND your Mexican made Jetta/ Golf/GTI was a product with a trade off between Mexico investing into VW for building plants down there.

A4 i’d like to see your reaction if the situation was reversed. You’d be crying for lower prices.

I think I’ll sue Starbucks because I can make my coffee at home cheaper.

I also think I’ll sue Macy’s because Marshalls and Ross sell brand names for less.

Of course, I could just go thru the extra effort to go to Ross or make my coffee at home and save some money, just like Canadians can drive over the border and buy their cars here. Around 90% of Canadians live within 100 miles of the border anyway, so it’s not too much work or time to save $10,000, but I guess like all the UAW phags, the Canadians just want to “blame the man.” Don’t ever tell me sue-happiness is limited to the USA.

67_L-88, you are wrong. If I could drive over the border and buy the same car cheaper, I would not cry – I’d just do it. I have a feeling A4 would also.

autonut: free health care what a joke !!!

The health care in Canada is on par with 3rd world countries !
My mother recently passed away from cancer and the care she got from Quebec over the 3 years that she was fighting it should be filed under criminal !

The conditions in hospital are scary, dirt and blood spatter from previous patients on walls and floors, lack of medications, wrong medications, doctors don’t bother to do proper checkups, waiting for a scan for 5 months.

For crying out loud, I even had to bring her tissues because the hospital would not provide them!!!

Don’t get me started on Canadian health care, it’s just a another lie that politicians use to steal from the public !

Harsh yes, real more than you can imagine !

So getting ripped on on car prices is just another notch.

take care

Guys, calm the **** down.

Vehicles have an MSRP, which is tagged to the dealer’s purchase price. A certain amount of profit is acceptable as per the manufacturer, so it’s human nature to get irritated when that concept gets expoited. After all, who the **** is getting shafted here? The dealer? You, you ****tards. YOU’RE getting shafted. So Ricardohead, what the **** are you whining about? They’re shafting YOU, and when the US dollar eventually bounces back, they might pull the same stunt with the American public. You’ll get used to seeing a BMW 3-series go for $65,000, then all of a sudden, the US dollar gains on the Euro, the ratio reverses, and the ****ers are holding the price steady regardless.

The US would be up in arms too. People hate gouging, just look at what happens when there’s a natural disaster and generator retailers jack up their prices. It’s almost a call to arms.

RicardoHead,
“The warranty is void if the car crosses the border.” I like to see you go trough all that trouble, and then get fu(ked by a leaky door sill or an electrical problem. Pay full price at the dealer!!
You should sue Starbucks for hot coffee, we Canadians have’nt had a good laugh in while!!

Goldfish, when I buy a Macy’s I get better service than when I buy at Ross. Not to mention that Macy’s will not accept returns/reclaims for things I bought at Ross.

I don’t think the warranty is void per se when the car crosses the border – just that the owner must get the car to a US dealer for service. Are you sue-happy Canadians just too damn lazy or too damn cheap to figure this out?

RicardoHead, not everybody lives near the border. If you have to drive three hours from Toronto to Buffalo or Detroit to get your warranty work done, it is not cost effective! So your reasoning is flawed or severely restricted when you call Canadian lazy and cheap (you should look in the mirror every once in a while before you spit garbage).

Of course, the firm’s allegation is that Canadian car prices cannot be that much higher than the US and attributed most of the historical higher price to unfavorable exchange rate. That is just one factor. Maybe the automakers have good reason for higher price, say higher tax for importing cars? Remember, automakers have a different corporate structure in Canada. Canada is a sovereign coountry and it’s not the 51st state! Maybe the cost of doing business in Canada is just that much higher. Again, how many of you have seen the complaint and answer? Bet NONE of you have so hold your horses.

Where did this Macy’s and Ross comparison come from? I don’t think I ever see one dealer selling every brand in one showroom. New cars are sold through dealer network, not Macy’s or some Walmart car superstore. Speaking of sue-happy, American have some room to talk!

Franq: That’s one thing we have to figure out if we ever get universal healthcare here. I don’t want lower standards, and I think it should still be possible to get rich working as a doctor.

I ad a client of mine that wanted to purchase a used Mustang Mach 1 from ower dealership, but to get it across the border the Canadian government was going to charge an extra 4200 between re registering and transfer. Probably has nothing to due with the lawsuit, but if it does, I don’t see how the states are to blame.

who gets the 2 billion the lawyer?

Sharpie, I have nothing against Canadians, but they and plenty of others take every opportunity to spit garbage and not look in the mirror, so if I dish it back at them then I am just being fair.

As for their driving 3 hours, that is their choice, is it not? They can drive three hours and save a load of loonies, or pay and not drive.

Ross or Marshalls or Outlet Stores are usually not located in the most convenient places for me, so I don’t shop there, but that is my choice and I don’t go around suing Macy’s for charging more. It’s petty and ridiculous, and that is why the comparison is there.

By the same token maybe car companies should sue their Canadian customers for the many years the cars in Canada were cheaper than in the USA, right?

im with roadrage on this one. if i was the car company i would be charging more than just 38% if i could still dupe someone into buying the product. if you import a CBU car (completly built unit) into india you have to pay 120% import duty on it. it was 120 in 2001 when i was there. eat that canadians.

Just out of curiosity RicardoHead, which, exactly, were the many years that cars were cheaper in Canada?

nitinsharma1000, We do indeed pay a duty if we import a car into Canada. The point is, that we also pay more for a vehicle that is built here. Chrysler 300 built in Brampton Ontario, are more expensive to buy in Canada than they are in the States, ditto for Honda Civics, Chev Impalas, Ford Edge, etc., etc. Those same vehicles are exported to the U.S. and cost less.

“A4″, do you have any reading comprehension skills? I explained the problem of simply “buying the car over the border”. Idiot.

“Ricardo-head-giver”, why do you post fecal matter? You’re as dumb as “PeasantPiablo”. Do you believe in what you post or do you do it for the same reason GM_Sales does? Purchasing from Macy’s and Starbucks has no correlation to this situation … reread my info above and go back to middle school for some reading comprehension testing. Moron.

i wonder what you dick head would say if the situation is reversed

The situation was reversed several years ago, dickhead. And guess what … you American jackasses sued for the same reasons … look it up, loser … it’s in the court system right now.

Funny how Canadians get hammered by taking action but the Americans are given a pass.

Hey blOkano, read up above – I said I’d go over the border and buy. In fact, I have always done that.

gImpulsive, you are a fekkin retard. The analogy stands firm, just like your frigid dwarf mother does when she gives a chihuahua head.

Oh yeah gImp – post a link to your claim about Americans pressing a lawsuit. Some phucktard here may very well have, but I’ve no time to waste on your wild goose chase, and it does not change the fact that those pressing suit in Canada are also phucktards.

Buenos, I can’t specifically say for cars being cheaper in Canada, but with the variety of duties and GST and PST factored out they very likely were at some point in the late 90s, which may be substantiated if gImpulsive posts his link. At any rate I can promise you Maple Syrup was a lot cheaper in Canada (may still be) but no one here is pressing a lawsuit against the saps up there.

Ricardo your the idiot. Do you really think i should drive telve hours to buy a new car, then lose my warranty, and plus pay a tariff to take it back over the border? Where is your logic. Also, as people already pointed out, many of those cars are already built in Canada, then shipped to the states. Also, Some plants would be closer to southern Canada,( were the main car market is), then they would be some states. I however, do agree that 2 billion is a little steep.

If I could save $9000, yeah, I’d drive a few hours. $100 in gas, and a half day in travel… that’s what I would call a smart fiscal decision.

We can say cars were cheaper as THE PRICES HAVE NOT CHANGED. Currencies have only reached parity recently. ERGO:::: Until they did reach parity, CARS WERE F#%&ING CHEAPER!

I expect nothing more from people who already accept a social-ist health care system. Rely on the government to do everything. Have the government pay med bills. Pay wellfare. Regulate the damn prices of your cars. It’s silly. Like I said, none of you Canadians are complaining about cheaper pills are you?? Hypocrisy.

67L88, all I am saying is you have the choice of doing that and saving money. Just as I have the choice of driving to an outlet store to save money, or making my coffee at home, or buying a donut from the Chinatown market instead of some crappy chain (the Chinatown donuts are cheaper and taste better).

Do I think you should do that? I think you should make the purchase decision that is best for you – not sue a manufacturer because you want to pay less closer to home. German cars are probably more expensive today in Germany than what you are paying – but they don’t sue. Gas is cheaper across town than near my house, but I don’t sue. Hating the situation is one thing, but suing because you don’t want to be inconvenienced is stupid. You do not have a right (even in Canada) to mandate a lower auto price – but you do have the right to negotiate or buy elsewhere. And if, thru duties, Revenue Canada makes it difficult for you to reimport, then elect lawmakers that have your best interests in mind.

RicardoHead, your argument doesn’t hold water. If you don’t want to spend more on maple syrup IMPORTED form Canada, then start your own maple syrup industry. We have and automotive undustry in Canada, again I’ll use a Chrysler 300 as an example. They are built in Brampton, just west of Toronto, and shipped to all of North America.

U.S. MSRP is $25, 270 (base)
CDN MSRP is $ 31, 894 (base)

That’s a $6,624 difference. Justifiable? Not exactly. As well your argument that the situation was reversed in the 90’s is patently false. The exact situation was in place.

The United States is a nation of fat, cheeseburger eating queers. There. Now everyone shut the **** up.

Buenos, using your argument, if you don’t want to buy a car at the price on your market, then start your own auto company and sell at a “fair price.”

Let’s take those Chrysler 300s you gave as an example. at an exchange of 1.2 cdn/us, the prices roughly equate. But wait – I do believe (from what I read) that Canadian prices include 10% GST, so you are then buying at 10% under my gringo butt because part of your sales tax is built into the stated price. In effect then, those prices only equated at 1.1 cdn/us. And before when the US$ was above 1.2CDN$, you were scoring a deal on that Chrysler 300 even if the price didn’t include GST. That was what – 2 years ago or so? Maybe back then it was written off as being Made In Canada so it was understandable, but either way you got a relative deal pre 2004 at best.

BTW – I haven’t had a cheeseburger since 1996.

“Head-giver”, you are an idiot and a lazy one at that. I post FACTS. YOU find the suit in court right now that your compatriots filed a few years ago over the SAME issues. You jackasses can sue, so can we.

Maybe you should take an elementary course in free trade and understand that if I choose to buy from the U.S., I should not be punished with a penalty of voided warranty, delayed warranty, or outright refusal of sale.

Go back to Germany and continue your sewer cleaning business, idiot.

“Head-giver”, you waste of a life, there is NO 10% GST included in Canadian prices. You truly post fecal matter here … no truth, no facts, all feces.

Gringo butt indeed. You calculation based on 1.2 is wrong, the dollar is currently trading at .99965

GST is 7% and IS NOT included in the price

Try using an exchange calculation. Given you argument, Americans should be paying $31,794 for that Canadian built Chrysler 300.

And just how would be we scoring a deal if the US $ was at 1.2?

“Head-giver”, was it your mom that taught you the fine art of phallous enveloping? Your ignorance on this matter and many others on this site, including your failed sewer cleaning business in Germany, seems to indicate that you are an idiot of the highest order.

I can remember the entire nation crying over $3/gallon gas while we’re still paying 3.85/ gallon now. If the situation was reversed, it’d be all over the American News demanding price reductions. I mean you complain over a couple dollars to fill a gas tank let alone thousands on a car purchase.

Just to add some primary school level understanding for those underdeveloped monkeys above … the class-action lawsuit filed has just added the issue of refusal of sale to Canadians to its claims … woooooooooo!

Under free trade, I should be permitted to buy anything I want in North America, only having to pay duty (if applicable) and taxes. Is that understood, little monkeys (especially you “Head-giver”)? The problem has been that since the CDN dollar has shot up, which has prompted many to go south for deals because of the lag in repricing due to many factors including those I posted yesterday at 9:26 pm, CDN dealers are losing sales and are whining about it.

Still with me, monkeys? Unfortunately, of the three parties (consumers, CDN dealers, and U.S. dealers), only two can consummate a deal, and one loses. Certain companies, to try and keep status quo, have instructed American dealers NOT to sell to Canadians to import back to Canada. As much as the American dealers would love to sell to Canadians, as these sales would benefit falling numbers due to the economic slowdown, they lose too. Now, all three parties end up losing instead of just one.

This recent instruction to U.S. dealers is against the law, which should be proven in this case. This refusal to sell is over and above the existing rules that certain companies like Honda and Acura, Chrysler and Mazda have implemented to discourage cross-border shopping by limiting or denying warranty coverage.

So you see, stupid monkeys, it’s not all about the price disparity (which is what I mentioned yesterday at 9:26 pm) which takes time to iron out … this issue can and should be overcome by driving south and buying from the U.S. … the REAL issue is the auto companies’ dirty-handed stonewalling.

This ends your FREE lesson today, monkeys. But feel free to continue posting your usual fecal excretions … I wouldn’t expect anything less from worthless primates.

gImpy, if you can’t figure out how to circumvent that rule, then it is true what your mother said that more is permanently limp with you than just your penis.

Dummass canucks.

“Head-giver”, more fecal matter I see … breaking the law is breaking the law, no matter the entity. I hope these bastards lose the suit pronto.

But good to see you retort with grade five insults … about the right level for your mental condition. Continue to show your ignorance and stupidity here like Peasant Piablo has done. And I will continue laying into you worthless losers every chance I get.

I am rungs above you in any measure of intelligence, primate. You are worthless.

Sounds to me like gImpy is a pissy little boy. In one thread he rags on about how the USA is going down, and in the next he is whining about how he wishes he had it as good as us and wants to sue.

What’s it gonna be, gImpy? Widdle bitty baaaaaby can’t have it both waaaaaaays. Awwwwwwww.

Looks to me like you’re a failure in life. And miserable because of it.

Your country is a failure like you. I haven’t whined about a thing … I can buy what I want regardless of price. What I do wish is for fairness and what is right. And what is right is for your country to fail and for you to fail. And for my countrymen to not get taken by a bunch of crooked weasels.

Continue to post fecal matter, loser. Good comebacks, monkey. As expected, nothing of value.

Stay true to form as you stray from topic because you know NOTHING …. resorting to childhood attacks because you have nothing left to do being backed into a corner, loser.

You are nothing. You are worthless. Go back to Germany and try again with that sewer cleaning business.

All is present for you to reread your absolute nonsense above … all toilet waste … while I post FACT.

Life must be tough looking like a FOOL repeatedly by a few who truly are rungs above you in intelligence.

I love bashing idiots like you.

Poooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooor
baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabbbyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!

Wassamatter, gImpy? Mama didn’t suck you off tonite, so daddy had to?

This site has so many words blocked….

Ricardohead, why don’t you take a little trip to Iraq and get beheaded like all your compatriots? LOL!

BTW, it’s DumBass, not bummas. THat lesson’s free too.

What’s a bummass, Deanster? Something you tongued last nite, union-boy?

“Head-giver”, I see you’re STILL resorting to primary school playground tactics … and boy, those are some good comebacks … pathetic loser.

You are right on one item … your mama didn’t show for her scheduled oral exam. My “tool” was looking forward to its weekly duty. Oh well, next week is another of many meetings.

Life must be miserable for trash like you. I will keep proving you wrong, and idiot, and a worthless piece of fecal matter.

gImpy is so weak. Must be from taking too many mounties up his maple sap-hole.

Stronger than you by any measure … physical, mental, emotional … you are nothing, you are worthless, you are a write-off.

gImpy’s bragging about himself is like a guy who keeps saying “I’m a MAN, I aint no queer … I AINT NO QUEER!”

gImp, everyone knows you’re a weak stupid dicksponge so get off the transparent macho kick already and go back to collecting syrup for minimum wage.

Continue posting nonsense, monkey. You couldn’t post anything of worth on the topic of the thread … why would anyone expect anything of worth from the six-year-old in the schoolyard.

You are a waste, you are nothing.

Repulsive, keep spouting off like Cobra Commander, brat. your mental maturity is really shining. Keep up the bed wetting and fire starting psycho.

Someone knock Repulsive upside his weee bity cranium. He’s sounding like a cheap broken record…nothing, worthless, monkey, peasent, uhhhhh, blah blah, frrrrrrrt!, uhhhhh, blah blah blah

Must be the Yukon air freezing his brain.

how do you seperate the men from the little boys in greese?
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with a crowbar.

greece

That or Deanster has dumped a few too many loads between his ears. ‘Hey Deanster, wanna play Mounties again!’

Loving this … you losers post NOTHING of worth on this site … ALL opinion based on no knowledge of the subjects … ALL toilet waste.

You are nothing, your are worthless, keep avoiding the the subject heading at the top of the page because you have been made to look like primates and so resort to name-calling and subject change to hide your failure in life.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

wow impulive somebody crap in your cheerios today or what.
mabe you can answer my question of who gets the 2 billion.

Hey gImpy, where’s my maple syrup, biatch?

“CTS”, I’ve already done enough work for you monkeys for free … call the law firm … they’ll tell you “PeasantPiablo” and “Head-giver” pound each other from behind every night like I pound their moms deep and wide.

“Head-giver”, you worthless monkey … that syrup you’re looking for is donated to your mom during her weekly oral exam.

Bwaaahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!

Nah, he’s just like this. Mommy didn’t love him like his other siblings. He has what you might call, issues.

I HOPE CAR-MAKERS COME TOGETHER AS ONE AND RESSOLVE THIS ISSUE AS SOON AS POSSBLE.

The only issue I have, Peasant, is whether I hire you to do my lawn or not.

Your problem is your mom loves you too much and still has you sucking her teat.

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhahaaaaaaaahahahahaaaaaa!!!

Perfecting your evil cartoon laugh I see. So when exactly are you and Pinky taking over the world?

Peasant, besides sucking mom’s teat, what gay television shows do you watch? Saturday morning CBS is not on my radar but it seems you know all the ‘toons and their charcters … I guess that comes in handy when you talk about Mattel Hot Wheels with the primary school kids in the ‘hood, huh?