Lobbyists are scum

Typical, let’s not try, let’s just hire lobbyists! An admission to either failure, laziness, or both…what happened to my country?

Highly paid scum.

400SS: tru dat!

F451: What’s more dangerous to your health, weed or cigarettes (fags to you Brits)?

Weed or Jim Beam/Jack Daniel’s (cq)/Wild Turkey?

They should read the latest UN and NOAA reports stating the world is cooling, not warming.

The weed/alcohol/cigarette argument is nonsensical, JJT, because a shot of Wild Turket here and there or a few smokes socially is no big deal. A joint a day is like a pack of smokes a day, so you can argue either way. Compare apples to apples.

ironic that the gmc yukon hybrid is being advertised on this page! AND BTW I SAW IT ON SATURDAY AND I WASNT IMPRESSED

I don’t think you guys understand what the implications are here. Essentially, if the states are allowed to pass their own laws for mileage and emissions, that means that every car manufacturer could potentially have to research, develop, certify and build 50 different versions of all their vehicles. It doesn’t take much imagination to see how expensive that would be. Think of the marketing and support headache that that implies. And what about resale? Suppose you bought a Texas certified car, then wanted to move out of Texas. You’d know that your car wouldn’t pass emissions in ANY other state, so you’d have to dump it before you moved, regardless of how much you liked it, or what your equity situation was.

The bottom line is, allowing each of the states to make their own rules is ludicrous.

So F451—your country is alive and well (at least in this regard). It’s business joining forces to protect themselves from nit-witted, un-informed people. Big business is often the bad guy, but not this time.

Now then—-don’t get me started on the oil companies. Grrr….

Yawn, yawn, yawn! Quit whining about tighter greenhouse emissions and start engineering your way towards meeting it, automakers!

Boyz, we disagree a lot on this subject, however, japs are turning to engineers to solve this problem and not to legalized criminal scam of the earth – lobbyists. They are legalized until they are not so legalized and go to big house to manufacture license plates along with politicians. Lets see how management of big 3 will tag along. This is what I hate about domestic auto industry – not the engineers or workers, but slimy despicable management. BTW it is American work force that makes japs great.

Toyota is in the forefront of the fight…So Japanise companies don’t want it also. Toyota has many channnels to play and most of the money to spend. They all want victory here on this fight. Its too bad, but its expensive to make these vehicles that are alot larger than around the world are, to get 35MPG average. No silver bullet here, no easy path. Its easier and more profitable to get politicians (lawyers) to cave in.

Another one of life’s little ironies, autonut? Granted your different states have different issues when it comes to perceived emissions requirements but during the course of many vehicle’s lives how many end up with a different address than where they were first registered? And what kind of bureaucracy would you have to create to handle that mess?

johnny, when fathers of our country created democracy of their time they could not envision EPA and California, much less disco in San Francisco. Yet, overall they did a great job. States are demanding to govern emissions because EPA completely dysfunctional and refuses to obey president and congress, along with will of the people. Believe me, people don’t want their children to have asthma and all kind of respiratory disease, like Chinese population does. However, we live in a time of war and attention is were it is needs to be the most at the time – on war. Toyota, already stated that they will reach 35 mpg before 2020. And in reality, it is only California who has the clout to mandate CAFE equal standards, the rest of states are adopting CA standards.

400 horse****ssucked, better start looking for a job soon if those lobbies fail at their task. I hear the circus is always looking for a freakshow. Maybe you and your UAW buddies can get your sisters together and slime their throats with cum whilst you fist them! LOL!

Money talks D-bagtugjob.

“whilst” wtf does that mean.

Ok autonut, I’m trying to follow you. Each state would like their own emissions standards. The automakers want a federal standard. California has set the standard many other states want to implement. So what happens if everyone adopts California standard? Isn’t that what the automakers are lobbying for- one standard?

Am I the only one getting dizzy?

http://www.brainspout.com/blog/images/mullet.jpg………..I found deansters pic

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The EPA sets out the minimum standard to regulate air pollution. Each state are given the rights to have a stricter emission standard, but not lesser. Bush essentially says no to that, promoting one federal standard. We need to look at the goal. If the goal is to reduce air pollution, then the EPA, a federal agency can achieve that by setting up the minimum requirement. But states should be left with their rights to regulate within their borders if they want to have a higher emission standard. They can’t have a lesser standard since state law cannot contravene federal law. This system has been in place for many years and new cars sold in California do require higher emission standard. I don’t think it is the difference in 50 state laws that has prompted the lobbying. Companies has to comply first and foremost with each state’s corporate law and licensing issues, so they are ready and accustomed to the difference between states. The real intent is to stop California from pushing stricter limit than even CAFE as it seems to spread to other parts of the country, given time. So if they can’t convince California legislature, take it to Washington. With interstate commerce, Congress can do anything anyway.

I think California is in the best position in legislating air-pollution standard within their own border, not Congress or the EPA, which seems to work at glacial speed. After all, emission in Kansas won’t cause smog in California, their own emissions will.

400horseSS: I never realized that you learnt English as a foreign language. Whilst learning English did your tutors not teach you what “whilst” meant?

“Whilst” means “while” 400horse****ssucked. As in “The father slowly lowered 400’s head onto the shaft of his penis. Gurgles of joy could be heard whilst 400 suckled the head and swallowed the white gold.”

deantj: You’re no mike john, that’s for sure.

Who cares. Im going snowmobiling, whilst you argument.

I think I would like to be a lobbyist. Wear a suit and bull**** all day.

Fletch: Why change the habits of a lifetime?

think about it though- in california, where millionaires reside, do you ACTUALLY think they are going to buy a 35mpg car?truck? whatever, if you are rich you can afford anything on this planet- so why are they going to waste their money, if i hit the lotto tomorrow do you think i give a **** about air or 35mpg? no i’m going to go buy a huge collection of muscle cars/luxo cars- and have my fun before i die

Fletch: i’d like to be an economics consultant. You can tell the various government agencies the same thing, make a nice living and get all the free rubber chicken you’d ever want

We all live in the same country… we all share the same air. Can’t we all agree on one set of emissions standards? I’m honestly suprised that california hasn’t sued some adjoining state b/c their “less controlled” air creeps across the border.

I get dizzy too thinking about it, but maybe a little science input is in order.

Emissions and fuel economy–though certainly related–are still two different things. California (and those states following its lead) has had different emissions for a long time, but the emissions fix can be made with some added or subtracted plumbing on the car. I gather that California-compliant emissions did not have too significant impact on CAFE, but I certainly don’t know for sure.

Regardless, what Cali wants to do now is radically set up a stricter CAFE standard. I would wager that this has a whole new set of consequences for the auto makers wanting to sell in Cali (which, is all of them). jumpoffit, Cali has millionaires, sure, but the vast majority of motorists are not.

Cali can make more strict regs. than the feds, but that is not without limits. The feds can step in if what the states do encroaches upon federal rights. I’ve said it before in another blog, but the feds can regulate interstate commerce. If a higher CAFE in California (and states following suit) really would cost auto makers hundreds of millions for compliance (and I think it would), then I say that’s big enough for the feds to step in.