Comments on: Automakers turn to lobbyists in fight over greenhouse gasses http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html Car news, reviews, and specs for the auto-industry Sat, 11 Feb 2012 02:06:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Scarface03 http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371593 Scarface03 Tue, 08 Apr 2008 19:02:00 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371593 I get dizzy too thinking about it, but maybe a little science input is in order. Emissions and fuel economy--though certainly related--are still two different things. California (and those states following its lead) has had different emissions for a long time, but the emissions fix can be made with some added or subtracted plumbing on the car. I gather that California-compliant emissions did not have too significant impact on CAFE, but I certainly don't know for sure. Regardless, what Cali wants to do now is radically set up a stricter CAFE standard. I would wager that this has a whole new set of consequences for the auto makers wanting to sell in Cali (which, is all of them). jumpoffit, Cali has millionaires, sure, but the vast majority of motorists are not. Cali can make more strict regs. than the feds, but that is not without limits. The feds can step in if what the states do encroaches upon federal rights. I've said it before in another blog, but the feds can regulate interstate commerce. If a higher CAFE in California (and states following suit) really would cost auto makers hundreds of millions for compliance (and I think it would), then I say that's big enough for the feds to step in. I get dizzy too thinking about it, but maybe a little science input is in order.

Emissions and fuel economy–though certainly related–are still two different things. California (and those states following its lead) has had different emissions for a long time, but the emissions fix can be made with some added or subtracted plumbing on the car. I gather that California-compliant emissions did not have too significant impact on CAFE, but I certainly don’t know for sure.

Regardless, what Cali wants to do now is radically set up a stricter CAFE standard. I would wager that this has a whole new set of consequences for the auto makers wanting to sell in Cali (which, is all of them). jumpoffit, Cali has millionaires, sure, but the vast majority of motorists are not.

Cali can make more strict regs. than the feds, but that is not without limits. The feds can step in if what the states do encroaches upon federal rights. I’ve said it before in another blog, but the feds can regulate interstate commerce. If a higher CAFE in California (and states following suit) really would cost auto makers hundreds of millions for compliance (and I think it would), then I say that’s big enough for the feds to step in.

]]> By: RaineMan http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371546 RaineMan Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:26:24 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371546 We all live in the same country... we all share the same air. Can't we all agree on one set of emissions standards? I'm honestly suprised that california hasn't sued some adjoining state b/c their "less controlled" air creeps across the border. We all live in the same country… we all share the same air. Can’t we all agree on one set of emissions standards? I’m honestly suprised that california hasn’t sued some adjoining state b/c their “less controlled” air creeps across the border.

]]> By: jackjimturkey http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371534 jackjimturkey Tue, 08 Apr 2008 16:48:50 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371534 Fletch: i'd like to be an economics consultant. You can tell the various government agencies the same thing, make a nice living and get all the free rubber chicken you'd ever want Fletch: i’d like to be an economics consultant. You can tell the various government agencies the same thing, make a nice living and get all the free rubber chicken you’d ever want

]]> By: jumpoffit http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371520 jumpoffit Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:54:58 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371520 think about it though- in california, where millionaires reside, do you ACTUALLY think they are going to buy a 35mpg car?truck? whatever, if you are rich you can afford anything on this planet- so why are they going to waste their money, if i hit the lotto tomorrow do you think i give a shit about air or 35mpg? no i'm going to go buy a huge collection of muscle cars/luxo cars- and have my fun before i die think about it though- in california, where millionaires reside, do you ACTUALLY think they are going to buy a 35mpg car?truck? whatever, if you are rich you can afford anything on this planet- so why are they going to waste their money, if i hit the lotto tomorrow do you think i give a shit about air or 35mpg? no i’m going to go buy a huge collection of muscle cars/luxo cars- and have my fun before i die

]]> By: LaCaLover http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371511 LaCaLover Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:27:17 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371511 Fletch: Why change the habits of a lifetime? Fletch: Why change the habits of a lifetime?

]]> By: Fletch http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371508 Fletch Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:23:44 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371508 I think I would like to be a lobbyist. Wear a suit and bullshit all day. I think I would like to be a lobbyist. Wear a suit and bullshit all day.

]]> By: shaver http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371504 shaver Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:12:43 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371504 Who cares. Im going snowmobiling, whilst you argument. Who cares. Im going snowmobiling, whilst you argument.

]]> By: jackjimturkey http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371477 jackjimturkey Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:59:55 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371477 deantj: You're no mike john, that's for sure. deantj: You’re no mike john, that’s for sure.

]]> By: DeansterTJ http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371464 DeansterTJ Tue, 08 Apr 2008 11:54:41 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371464 "Whilst" means "while" 400horsecockssucked. As in "The father slowly lowered 400's head onto the shaft of his penis. Gurgles of joy could be heard whilst 400 suckled the head and swallowed the white gold." “Whilst” means “while” 400horsecockssucked. As in “The father slowly lowered 400′s head onto the shaft of his penis. Gurgles of joy could be heard whilst 400 suckled the head and swallowed the white gold.”

]]> By: LaCaLover http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371452 LaCaLover Tue, 08 Apr 2008 10:52:09 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371452 400horseSS: I never realized that you learnt English as a foreign language. Whilst learning English did your tutors not teach you what "whilst" meant? 400horseSS: I never realized that you learnt English as a foreign language. Whilst learning English did your tutors not teach you what “whilst” meant?

]]> By: sharpie http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371444 sharpie Tue, 08 Apr 2008 05:02:03 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371444 The EPA sets out the minimum standard to regulate air pollution. Each state are given the rights to have a stricter emission standard, but not lesser. Bush essentially says no to that, promoting one federal standard. We need to look at the goal. If the goal is to reduce air pollution, then the EPA, a federal agency can achieve that by setting up the minimum requirement. But states should be left with their rights to regulate within their borders if they want to have a higher emission standard. They can't have a lesser standard since state law cannot contravene federal law. This system has been in place for many years and new cars sold in California do require higher emission standard. I don't think it is the difference in 50 state laws that has prompted the lobbying. Companies has to comply first and foremost with each state's corporate law and licensing issues, so they are ready and accustomed to the difference between states. The real intent is to stop California from pushing stricter limit than even CAFE as it seems to spread to other parts of the country, given time. So if they can't convince California legislature, take it to Washington. With interstate commerce, Congress can do anything anyway. I think California is in the best position in legislating air-pollution standard within their own border, not Congress or the EPA, which seems to work at glacial speed. After all, emission in Kansas won't cause smog in California, their own emissions will. The EPA sets out the minimum standard to regulate air pollution. Each state are given the rights to have a stricter emission standard, but not lesser. Bush essentially says no to that, promoting one federal standard. We need to look at the goal. If the goal is to reduce air pollution, then the EPA, a federal agency can achieve that by setting up the minimum requirement. But states should be left with their rights to regulate within their borders if they want to have a higher emission standard. They can’t have a lesser standard since state law cannot contravene federal law. This system has been in place for many years and new cars sold in California do require higher emission standard. I don’t think it is the difference in 50 state laws that has prompted the lobbying. Companies has to comply first and foremost with each state’s corporate law and licensing issues, so they are ready and accustomed to the difference between states. The real intent is to stop California from pushing stricter limit than even CAFE as it seems to spread to other parts of the country, given time. So if they can’t convince California legislature, take it to Washington. With interstate commerce, Congress can do anything anyway.

I think California is in the best position in legislating air-pollution standard within their own border, not Congress or the EPA, which seems to work at glacial speed. After all, emission in Kansas won’t cause smog in California, their own emissions will.

]]> By: 400horseSS http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371402 400horseSS Tue, 08 Apr 2008 02:19:05 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371402 http://www.brainspout.com/blog/images/mullet.jpg http://www.brainspout.com/blog/images/mullet.jpg

]]> By: 400horseSS http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371401 400horseSS Tue, 08 Apr 2008 02:18:45 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371401 http://www.brainspout.com/blog/images/mullet.jpg...........I found deansters pic http://www.brainspout.com/blog/images/mullet.jpg………..I found deansters pic

]]> By: johnnycanuck http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371400 johnnycanuck Tue, 08 Apr 2008 02:15:02 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371400 Ok autonut, I'm trying to follow you. Each state would like their own emissions standards. The automakers want a federal standard. California has set the standard many other states want to implement. So what happens if everyone adopts California standard? Isn't that what the automakers are lobbying for- one standard? Am I the only one getting dizzy? Ok autonut, I’m trying to follow you. Each state would like their own emissions standards. The automakers want a federal standard. California has set the standard many other states want to implement. So what happens if everyone adopts California standard? Isn’t that what the automakers are lobbying for- one standard?

Am I the only one getting dizzy?

]]> By: 400horseSS http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371399 400horseSS Tue, 08 Apr 2008 02:14:53 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371399 "whilst" wtf does that mean. “whilst” wtf does that mean.

]]> By: 400horseSS http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371398 400horseSS Tue, 08 Apr 2008 02:14:21 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371398 Money talks D-bagtugjob. Money talks D-bagtugjob.

]]> By: DeansterTJ http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371392 DeansterTJ Tue, 08 Apr 2008 02:09:15 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371392 400 horsecockssucked, better start looking for a job soon if those lobbies fail at their task. I hear the circus is always looking for a freakshow. Maybe you and your UAW buddies can get your sisters together and slime their throats with cum whilst you fist them! LOL! 400 horsecockssucked, better start looking for a job soon if those lobbies fail at their task. I hear the circus is always looking for a freakshow. Maybe you and your UAW buddies can get your sisters together and slime their throats with cum whilst you fist them! LOL!

]]> By: autonut http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371389 autonut Tue, 08 Apr 2008 02:04:49 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371389 johnny, when fathers of our country created democracy of their time they could not envision EPA and California, much less disco in San Francisco. Yet, overall they did a great job. States are demanding to govern emissions because EPA completely dysfunctional and refuses to obey president and congress, along with will of the people. Believe me, people don't want their children to have asthma and all kind of respiratory disease, like Chinese population does. However, we live in a time of war and attention is were it is needs to be the most at the time - on war. Toyota, already stated that they will reach 35 mpg before 2020. And in reality, it is only California who has the clout to mandate CAFE equal standards, the rest of states are adopting CA standards. johnny, when fathers of our country created democracy of their time they could not envision EPA and California, much less disco in San Francisco. Yet, overall they did a great job. States are demanding to govern emissions because EPA completely dysfunctional and refuses to obey president and congress, along with will of the people. Believe me, people don’t want their children to have asthma and all kind of respiratory disease, like Chinese population does. However, we live in a time of war and attention is were it is needs to be the most at the time – on war. Toyota, already stated that they will reach 35 mpg before 2020. And in reality, it is only California who has the clout to mandate CAFE equal standards, the rest of states are adopting CA standards.

]]> By: johnnycanuck http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371371 johnnycanuck Tue, 08 Apr 2008 01:28:50 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371371 Another one of life's little ironies, autonut? Granted your different states have different issues when it comes to perceived emissions requirements but during the course of many vehicle's lives how many end up with a different address than where they were first registered? And what kind of bureaucracy would you have to create to handle that mess? Another one of life’s little ironies, autonut? Granted your different states have different issues when it comes to perceived emissions requirements but during the course of many vehicle’s lives how many end up with a different address than where they were first registered? And what kind of bureaucracy would you have to create to handle that mess?

]]> By: jdasch1 http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371364 jdasch1 Tue, 08 Apr 2008 01:21:42 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371364 Toyota is in the forefront of the fight...So Japanise companies don't want it also. Toyota has many channnels to play and most of the money to spend. They all want victory here on this fight. Its too bad, but its expensive to make these vehicles that are alot larger than around the world are, to get 35MPG average. No silver bullet here, no easy path. Its easier and more profitable to get politicians (lawyers) to cave in. Toyota is in the forefront of the fight…So Japanise companies don’t want it also. Toyota has many channnels to play and most of the money to spend. They all want victory here on this fight. Its too bad, but its expensive to make these vehicles that are alot larger than around the world are, to get 35MPG average. No silver bullet here, no easy path. Its easier and more profitable to get politicians (lawyers) to cave in.

]]> By: autonut http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371360 autonut Tue, 08 Apr 2008 01:11:00 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371360 Boyz, we disagree a lot on this subject, however, japs are turning to engineers to solve this problem and not to legalized criminal scam of the earth - lobbyists. They are legalized until they are not so legalized and go to big house to manufacture license plates along with politicians. Lets see how management of big 3 will tag along. This is what I hate about domestic auto industry - not the engineers or workers, but slimy despicable management. BTW it is American work force that makes japs great. Boyz, we disagree a lot on this subject, however, japs are turning to engineers to solve this problem and not to legalized criminal scam of the earth – lobbyists. They are legalized until they are not so legalized and go to big house to manufacture license plates along with politicians. Lets see how management of big 3 will tag along. This is what I hate about domestic auto industry – not the engineers or workers, but slimy despicable management. BTW it is American work force that makes japs great.

]]> By: 1c3d0g http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371348 1c3d0g Mon, 07 Apr 2008 23:28:04 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371348 Yawn, yawn, yawn! Quit whining about tighter greenhouse emissions and start engineering your way towards meeting it, automakers! Yawn, yawn, yawn! Quit whining about tighter greenhouse emissions and start engineering your way towards meeting it, automakers!

]]> By: squat48 http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371346 squat48 Mon, 07 Apr 2008 23:26:22 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371346 I don't think you guys understand what the implications are here. Essentially, if the states are allowed to pass their own laws for mileage and emissions, that means that every car manufacturer could potentially have to research, develop, certify and build 50 different versions of all their vehicles. It doesn't take much imagination to see how expensive that would be. Think of the marketing and support headache that that implies. And what about resale? Suppose you bought a Texas certified car, then wanted to move out of Texas. You'd know that your car wouldn't pass emissions in ANY other state, so you'd have to dump it before you moved, regardless of how much you liked it, or what your equity situation was. The bottom line is, allowing each of the states to make their own rules is ludicrous. So F451---your country is alive and well (at least in this regard). It's business joining forces to protect themselves from nit-witted, un-informed people. Big business is often the bad guy, but not this time. Now then----don't get me started on the oil companies. Grrr.... I don’t think you guys understand what the implications are here. Essentially, if the states are allowed to pass their own laws for mileage and emissions, that means that every car manufacturer could potentially have to research, develop, certify and build 50 different versions of all their vehicles. It doesn’t take much imagination to see how expensive that would be. Think of the marketing and support headache that that implies. And what about resale? Suppose you bought a Texas certified car, then wanted to move out of Texas. You’d know that your car wouldn’t pass emissions in ANY other state, so you’d have to dump it before you moved, regardless of how much you liked it, or what your equity situation was.

The bottom line is, allowing each of the states to make their own rules is ludicrous.

So F451—your country is alive and well (at least in this regard). It’s business joining forces to protect themselves from nit-witted, un-informed people. Big business is often the bad guy, but not this time.

Now then—-don’t get me started on the oil companies. Grrr….

]]> By: ottacontrol http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371337 ottacontrol Mon, 07 Apr 2008 23:14:15 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371337 ironic that the gmc yukon hybrid is being advertised on this page! AND BTW I SAW IT ON SATURDAY AND I WASNT IMPRESSED ironic that the gmc yukon hybrid is being advertised on this page! AND BTW I SAW IT ON SATURDAY AND I WASNT IMPRESSED

]]> By: DeansterTJ http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371336 DeansterTJ Mon, 07 Apr 2008 23:13:28 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371336 They should read the latest UN and NOAA reports stating the world is cooling, not warming. The weed/alcohol/cigarette argument is nonsensical, JJT, because a shot of Wild Turket here and there or a few smokes socially is no big deal. A joint a day is like a pack of smokes a day, so you can argue either way. Compare apples to apples. They should read the latest UN and NOAA reports stating the world is cooling, not warming.

The weed/alcohol/cigarette argument is nonsensical, JJT, because a shot of Wild Turket here and there or a few smokes socially is no big deal. A joint a day is like a pack of smokes a day, so you can argue either way. Compare apples to apples.

]]> By: jackjimturkey http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371331 jackjimturkey Mon, 07 Apr 2008 23:02:57 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371331 400SS: tru dat! F451: What's more dangerous to your health, weed or cigarettes (fags to you Brits)? Weed or Jim Beam/Jack Daniel's (cq)/Wild Turkey? 400SS: tru dat!

F451: What’s more dangerous to your health, weed or cigarettes (fags to you Brits)?

Weed or Jim Beam/Jack Daniel’s (cq)/Wild Turkey?

]]> By: 400horseSS http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371325 400horseSS Mon, 07 Apr 2008 22:47:32 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371325 Highly paid scum. Highly paid scum.

]]> By: F451 http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371319 F451 Mon, 07 Apr 2008 22:16:08 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371319 Typical, let's not try, let's just hire lobbyists! An admission to either failure, laziness, or both...what happened to my country? Typical, let’s not try, let’s just hire lobbyists! An admission to either failure, laziness, or both…what happened to my country?

]]> By: jackjimturkey http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371317 jackjimturkey Mon, 07 Apr 2008 22:12:53 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/automakers-turn-to-lobbyists-in-fight-over-greenhouse-gasses.html#comment-371317 Lobbyists are scum Lobbyists are scum

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