You mean it has nothing to do with the 2 extra mpg that these hybrids get?

LMAO It figures

Where is that big mouth SOB Lutz these days? He had all the answers, and some consider him the savior of GM all by himself. What happened? Did his batteries run out?

Hey, that 2 MPG will pay for the expense of the hybrid system in about 80 years, so……
Anyone wanna place bets on how the Volt will launch?
DrFill

DrFull – you have a point IF you are talking about the Prius which is a gasoline-powered vehicle, but NOT the Volt. Considering that the range is supposed to exceed 40 MPG, and most people drive about that much everyday, the Volt is making more a more sense. The price pushing 40k worries me though…but lets not make this another Volt vs Prius or whatever topic

Stupid GM, mild hybrids are for kids lmao

mild hybrid is the key word here. the gm hybrids dont offer enough mpg savings versus their gas counterparts, therefore the sales are going to be low, period. prius savings are big and real, no matter what it looks like. i would have bought a gm had the savings been significant, but they werent. i have saved over $3000 in gas over the last 15 months with my prius(over my 04 grand prix), which in my book is VERY significant…

+1

Start stop technology is good, along with some of the other fuel savers they get in Europe.

F451: it’s almost summer. I’m sure Lutz is on the golf course driving an electric vehicle that actually works.

Typical GM.

Commodore, 40 MPG is no extraordinary feat, especially for a hybrid. There are quite a number of cars that already get 40 MPG. However, the Volt is supposed to be able to go 40 miles on electricity alone, which IS quite a feat for a hybrid. But, yes, that 40K price tag is VERY scary, especially when you can buy a 100% electric vehicle from Hybrid Technologies for 40K that can go 120 miles on a single charge. GM really needs to bring that price down if they want to compete.

Well, the Volt will be UNDER $40k, so not too bad, but could be better.

Damn you guys are harsh. Mild hybrids are worthless though. And based on the latest reports from GM, Volt won’t be under $40K unless the government subsidizes heavily or GM finds a way to share the platform for several models at launch. On top of that, GM would probably still be losing money on each sale, just like Toyota was in the early 2000s.

The mild hybrid is cheaper to buy then the other hybrod systems and easier to produce till GM can bring out its HCCi engines, lithium ion battery hybrids, and so forth. The mild hybrid seems like a stop gap measure.

beatusmongous – that was my whole point you fag :] Volt is not gasoline-powered for the first 40 MPG and I specifically mentioned that the Prius was a gasoline powered hybrid to contrast its cost-benefit with that of the Volt.

Honda has a great “mild hybrid” system that they say will be only a $1900 premium over a “non-hybrid” same model vehicle. So a Honda Fit Hybrid will only be 2 grand more than a regular Fit hatch…sounds like the light bulb story. In the late 1800’s, the light bulb sold for several hundred dollars in todays money equivalent, so hybrids were once costly, but now are making sense at this price. General Motors just used a cheap supplier for their batteries… Cobasys is Chevron oil owned…A battery R&D nightmare partner. Big oil in favor of a worry free battery…yah, right!!

Oh look, another conspiracy theory on how Big Oil is trying to ruin progress.

Cobasys makes NiMH batteries which is far from “brand-new” technology. In fact, it’s totally obsolete by current standards which makes it perfect for installation in a cutting-edge hybrid.

Want better gas mileage? Build lighter, simpler, smaller cars! Use small, turbo/supercharged gas engines so you also get the “go” factor. That’s the way the Japanese and Europeans are doing it… Efficiency is the word here!

Hmmmmmm it seems Americans are using LESS oil but the cost keeps going up. When there’s a Bush and a Dick in the office you know someone is getting screwed.

I own a Malibu mild hybrid, and it kicks ass. The dealer gave me the rebate just like was on the regular Malibu, and I got a small discount after haggling, so I bought it for less than 21K. It is a really nice car, and at least 10% more efficient than the regular model. I drive 400 mi a week and often get stuck in traffic, and I am avg 31.5 MPG, pretty good for a nice big sedan. My brother has the 4 cylinder Malibu and he is getting 25-26 MPG.
Mild or not, the car turns off every time you pull up to a stop light. If you don’t go racing around you will get excellent mileage. I am saving $5 a week on gas. If I have the car for 5 years, I save $1250, which is about the price diff vs non-hybrid model. Also, according to the oil life system (standard on Chevy’s) my Malibu will go 13,000 mi between oil changes, and with the regenerative braking, I expect my pads will last double the norm as I often only use the brake to keep the car turned off at lights, the tranny does a lot of braking for you. I know it only has 4 gears, but it still drives real nice.
I do admit all the hybrid badges are ridiculous. I am going to debadge mine.
I love the car though

1. We ned to elect HemiRetard to fix national oil price problem.
2. Ford_Sucks, since you still using gasoline engine for all of your driving, forgo 13,000 mile oil change and change it every 3-5K miles (for your own sake). It looks like you plan to keep a car at least for 5 years, you’ll thank me later for this advise.
3. GM (management) ability to execute is much less evident then their skill for political maneuvering. It is pretty clear now that two years ago shareholders made a giant mistake allowing status quo instead of forcing merger talk with Nissan and shaking management ranks and the board.
4. johnnycanuck, funny as hell. Don’t forget, Lutz will be driving Caddy looking electric golf cart build by Lee Iaccoca company (yep there is one that he owns).
5.NamelessDenton: starting price for VOlt is expected to be 40K; in GM parlance it means 4 wheals are free, but steering is extra. If medium Volt price will be less then 45K it will be a miracle
6.Stinky007, I am with you. When johnnycanuck will wake up he’ll concur. We have a quorum: 3 of us agree on something.

Hemi-retard, that bush and dick joke is so old and over used. Can’t come up with an original remark? GM has lost big time on the hybrid market. Their hybrid systems are unproven with questionable reliability, but Honda and Toyota were very smart in developing their systems long before gas prices started rising. Thats what I like about Japanese companies, they think long term and its paying off. Domestic automakers are like American society. No long term thinking, only instant gratification without thinking of the future consequences. The colapse of the US housing market and wreckless consumer debt is a reflection of the need for instant gratification.

The last time I heard someone complain about a joke being “old” I think I was 13. Why don’t you go see if your mom will let you ride your dirt bike outside today, don’t forget your little helmet.

I think little hemi’s feelings were hurt. Poor baby, angry at the world around him thats moving ahead while he’s still stuck in a rutt with no plans to move forward in the future lol

moto-racer13, I agree with you about 80%. I am not fan of hybrid technology, I prefer diesel as a solution. Reality is that hybrid sells in US (and actually Japan and Europe). Toyota sold over 1 million hybrids by today. Once you cross that number with 6 zeros, technology becomes very proven, albeit not for GM.

yep, piss brain is in the melancholic mood today (retard look up the meaning of the word; hint it’s not masturbation).

Hmmmm, I’m not the one sitting at home with nothing to do. I’m actually at work, getting paid while I’m typing this actually. Sounds like your the one in a rut there chief. You’ll never see me post anything on here after I leave work, so have fun sitting at home on your computer ALL day.

HemiRetard, getting paid is a relative term:: yep you maybe top earner among your species, but you still rely on Bush stimulus check to give lift to economy.

I gave your wife a lift last night, not in my car either.

hemi you are so lame. We are all at work, most likely earning more than you. Anyone thats into big low tech V8’s must not have a job that requires alot of thinking. We all know you work at some lame call centre, trying to sell vinyl siding to some old people who own a brick house. Your insults are so lame that your actually insulting yourself. You probably don’t even have a passport and have never travelled the world like I have so you have no clue what its like across the ocean. So if you think it makes you feel good to continue posting lame remarks and insults, go knock yourself out lol, we look forward to reading your words that only validates our already low opinion of you. Quick!! back to work before your boss see’s you goofing off online again!

GM stands for ‘Giant Morons’.

GM is going to try to fix the recalled ones ASAP, and will screw it up. They will be bought back by GM due to lemon laws, and down the road, people will remember GM made hybrids with the same affection as the GM diesel cars of the 80s.

All the while, they will not even come close to meeting the demand for hybrids (which by the way are stupid). If you pay an extra $2500 or more just to have a hybrid, and you are most likely paying over sticker for a Prius, to save a few mpg, how far do you have to drive to make up the difference? All the while you are driving more which (as the liberals say) contributes to ‘global warming’ to meet your savings.

There is no cheap out; you can pay now (gas car with less mpg) or pay later (pricey car, more mpg).

And, it is more costly and less efficient to build a hybrid car in the first place. So all you green assholes that think you are saving us by driving the Prius can kiss my ass. **** you.

Wow, this thread degenerated into back and forth quickly.

Just more ammo for you GM haters! Slap a “magical” H or T on it and you’ll think it’s the greatest thing since sliced bread. Don’t matter anyway because all hybrids are junk for hippie douche bags!

@ Hemi

By the way, moto-racer just dropped your mom off at my house. I just shaved her back and face. Man, your mom is so ugly, the moon howls at HER!

I am going to drop her off at the bus station, and I am not driving a hybrid! Bitch.

^^^^^that was hilarous……hahahaha

DialM4Speed, why dont u slap a ‘G’ on your forehead you gayass cow humpin half brained dip**** …GM sucks while u wait to swallow

Go watch your Fox News and jack off to bill o`reilly

Supermann, you have serious issues with your filthy mouth and hatred.

I happen to be a big fan of the Malibu Hybrid. Between the 1200 Tax Credit, the overall fuel savings, and the very low acquisition cost (about $22.5K) I think the Malibu is a winner. It has superb fit and finish….If you price out the car alongside a camray you will see about a 8K difference when all is said and done. Also, the Malibu is an excellent handling car – - great for urban driving. I don’t subscibe to conspiracy theories….this vehicle was advertised as a “mild” hybrid and it delivered on that limited promise. I am so happy with the overal package that I bought 2 of the units. I wish GM much success…..it’s about time for Detroit to win one.

Bill O’Reilly doesn’t get me excited. Neither does your Mom. BTW, very observant of you to surmise I am a conservative. I am proud of you. Now go mow my lawn, puto!

lmoa wow brassmonkey way to go….i wasnt even talking to ur sorry ass….i was talkin to dialm4speed, but thanks for jumping in and showing us the magnitude of ur retardation

Thank you. When you finish skimming my pool, get your ass back across the border.