who really really cares? The one series is for chicks and guys with no balls. Boooorrring.

Okay – just don’t make it the ugly disaster that is the current 1-Series and just sell it for what you sell the current 135i for (right around $40k)- tada! You’ll have a hit!

indeed

ahhh no thanks! That’s expensive as hell for a crotch rocket with almost 4 seats! I’d rather buy a missile and strap some wings on it!

I’ll pass. Its really not worth the sacrafice. Just give me an M3. Makes more sense anyways.

only 10k less than the m3? not enough to make a difference, imo…35k euros is 52k dollars today…the base 2010 m3 coupe msrp is 58k…i’m not sure for a typical M buyer 10k is really going to make a compelling argument, when you’re already over the 50k mark…

Personally, I don’t go for “M” series, “AMG,” “SS,” “or Cobra” models. If the base model doesn’t satisfy, it’s not going to be rectified by BS body cladding, red interior stitching, and fancy grills and wheels.

Since even many BMW purists think the 1-Series is gay maybe they should call it the rear-entry level M.

Why all the hate? Real “purists” would realize the 3 series has become so bloated over the years, that the 1-series is just filling in the gap. And whether you think the 1-series is “gay” or not…there’s no denying that 135i is pretty quick car . My only complaint with making an ‘M’ version is that it needs a bigger bump in horsepower to justify the pricetag. A thirty horsepower bump on the 135i can be achieved pretty easily with aftermarket parts.

I guess Miata’s are gay too though right? The stereotype is so strong it’s hard to argue….that is right up until one beats you on the racetrack. Get real guys!

30 horsepower and it is suddenly worthy of the “M” badge? Wow. I guess by that standard any bolt-on Mustang is a Cobra.

Most 135s are $40k
And the current M3 is $50k
So where are they going with 135i pricing?

This is obviosly for the next generation
They seem to be going with a long-in-the-tooth front clip on current/future BMWs
Considering the proportions of the current 1, any addition height could be fatal

I vote slam a V8 in thur!
DrFill

You know guys, I was driven in 5 door hatch 1 series in Europe and it was a comfortable small car and as BMW was quick and handled well. It was reminiscent to 2002 and original 3 series. I don’t know why the coup we get is so cramped, although it drives faster then European siblings, gratitude to 6 cylinder (I never saw 6 cylinder 1 series in Europe). If BMW put car on a diet and up engine just a notch it will be hell of a ride.

well considering the current 3 series is close in size to one of the best selling 3 series of all time (the E36), then I would say that “enthusiasts” will be quite happy with this car. JOHNNYCANUCK, what purists have told you that this is a “gay” car? 300 hp in a package that is lighter and more nimble than the 335… hrmm, i know what I’d pick! I agree, the styling (such as the ridiculous roofline) makes it hard to like, but from a performance standpoint, it is a great little ride, and track rat for that matter.

HOWSMYDRIVING… why aren’t those cars worth something to you? M/AMG/Cobra/SS usually add more than just what you add. They add rarity, style, better suspension (higher performing for performance purposes), more power, etc. I’d take an M3 over a 335 any day. Same goes for any AMG model over their respective “stock” lineup.

I’m with everyone else though, the price point will be the issue… either way, I’d take one.

I think howsmydriving has a point. If the basic car or platform, as we pundits ( ) put it, wasn’t great to begin with no amount of extra lettering and tweaks (or lipstick for a pig) would make it better. I think he meant that the original platform (car for non pundits) has to be good to be acknowledged by the public and us (pundits).

05Z88, when the “smallest” car in your lineup is already porking the scales at 3,300lbs+ and can barely fit two Ken dolls in the back maybe… just maybe it’s time to worry less about more horsepower and a little more about why it has the footprint of a Accent and the gravitational impact of a NASCAR stocker.

SG328is… sorry, didn’t see yours. I take it all back. That should have read ‘an’ Accent.

I’m OK with this car as long as the M division does it right. If all they do is tweak the 135 engine to 330HP the car will be a fail.

However, if they manage to shave 300lbs and lower the car and upgrade the suspension and brakes and add more aggressive styling then this car will be an awesome ride.

Or you could skip all that and just buy a gently used last generation M3 for a lot less money.

exactly, i don’t see this being worth 50k+ new…a 1 year old m3 would be a better deal…

well said leftwing – i think the concept of the one series is great (lighter more nimble), but bimmer didnt actually follow through on that. There is literally a 50lb difference between the 2010 135i and an 06 M3… too bad for 1 series fans. I would go with the M3.

Pricing will be the stopper. It is a bit Crazy. Looked at a A4 yesterdaywith a MRSP of over 60K. Makes the 335i look like a bargain

I dont care about anything else but weight. put this baby on a diet because current 135 is a pig! this should be their first and ultimate priority.

Id rather get an S60R

I’m not a fanboy by any means but the possibility of a 330-350hp in a 3250ish lb sled? I’m all about it.

I really enjoyed the 135i I test drove and it felt a lot more nimble to me and better on the brakes than the 335i coupe I drove for a year.

So an M version sounds great. (not that I’d buy it for $45-50 but it’d still be a sweet car.

Please just bring the 123d M to North America… either that or put the same engine in a lighter and cheaper 1 series.

power isn’t everything , a light , nimble 1 series M would be a great competitor for the Cayman and the TT-RS. just make it better looking than the current 1 series.

as for the ones calling the 1 series gay , i can’t thing of any type of cars more gay than muscle cars. one must really be into men to like muscle cars, not like there’s anything wrong with that .

Is it me or does BMW (and their counterpart) have too many models floating around out there? The brand seems diluted now

So we are in accord!
More power + less weight = 2012 1 Series M
DrFill

uh oh, drfill went over to honda…he’s in an accord!

M3 coupes start at almost $58k (see bmwusa.com). Plenty of room to squeeze this in between the 135i and M3.

It can be a real blast!

If they make an RS3 it’ll smash this thing

Gonna be a backlash by the public on the name. Peeple are just going to call it what it is…..M1….why would anyone say 1-series M? What car do you drive? 1-series M! Why not just say M1? Cuz BMW reserved the M1 name for their sacred turning point car.

Dr Fill you twat the M3 starts around $58k and if this ran at $38k that could be a solid seller.

A4
As usual, you are wrong
M3 starts at $55k
So a 1 Series M would start at $45k
DrFill

i’m sure A4 meant the M3 coupe

btw , i hate Americaland for getting the M3 that cheap… now where is that flag to burn it ?

screw the turbo N54 I6… i say give it the Naturally aspirated S54 (S54b32?)
this is the engine from the e46 M3 and the 2003 -2008 M coupe and M roadster (based on the Z3 and Z4)

100+hp per liter without turbochargers and 8000rpm limit !!

dont get me wrong…. the N54 is great…. wonderful and all
but it is not ///M material… turbochargers being completely against ///M divisions standards/traditions
thats why as beastly as the X5M and X6M are… they shouldn’t be named as traditional ///M cars…

Forget the M… just bring us the hatch back version they have in Europe!

DrFill, the sedan starts at $55k but the coupe starts at $58k. Since the 1 is a coupe only car (in the US) that’s why we’re all comparing it to that figure.

Up until recently, like almost everyone else on this board I laughed at the 135i. Then I drove one. I have to say that it felt very reminiscent of the E46 M3. A slightly more tweaked version of that car would be quite impressive.

The way BMW has been going lately, entry level is probably the only thing left they can try and compete with. Cadillac already showed that BMW is the laughing joke of the industry and has been nothing but an overblown lie for years. Doubtfull if they ever try and keep up with Caddy from here on out. They might as well give up and go home like good little nazis.

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