No manuals! That’s gay…
What you thank this is Russia?
No manuals…..
Forget you then! PUTOS……

BMW makes bitchmobiles
Another first in 2008
Diesels for the limp-wristed
DrFill

Maybe when manuals arrive it will drop the base price by $1500.

BMW should have made a more economical diesel priced between a 328 and 335.

No manual? **** that.

Although I’m thrilled they’re bringing this engine to the US.

I like BMWs, it’s the owners of bimmers that need a daily bitch slap.

No manuals. Yesterday’s technology. Deal with it.

Today’s prices driving in: Regular, $2.04 … Diesel, $3.09. Over 50% more.
Add to that the higher routine maintenance costs on the diesel, and you’d have to close to double the mileage to break even. Main killer is the fuel cost, though.

I love diesels, but I’ll pass.

No BMW diesels since the ’80s. Really. I guess all those noxious odors since then belonged to the owners.

Price is irrelevant with or without manual. Makes ton of sense in X5 and I doubt there is manual X5 on our side of the pond. Then again, how many Benzes with manual are sold?
If BMW would ship us 2.0L diesel (even weaker one with only 140 hp) manual would be nice.

Seems to get aboput 7 MPG better EPA than other sedans in it’s class
But costs 5-10k more
DrFill

Sorry BMW, but you FAILED.

Not only do you FINALLY come with the 335D when gas prices are back way, way down, but also, you ****ed us over with the lack of manual transmission. Too much torque, please, plenty of cars have manual transmissions for this power. Just ask ZF next time instead of disappointing the masses.

As much as I love the idea of Diesel picking up here, I just don’t see it with the price per gallon…

BMW always costs more diesel or otherwise. Just like Lexus ES costs more then Toyota Camry, albeit it is basically the same car. Every car manufacturer tries to crack BMW secret sauce for handling and road manners, but honestly comes up short. It is not the superior quality, perhaps Lexus has an edge there, but handling – another 15K well spend. Now, if you put 400 lbs of torque on top without weight of V8, that’s worth extra few grand. Of course arm-chair experts will not gather that much from spec sheet, but those who drive for fun and can afford will pay.

I’ll take mine in a wagon!

For that money, give me a Vette with 27 MPG HWY
Oh, yeah. And a stick!
And it’ll be a collectors item!
DrFill

I think that this is fantastic that some turbo diesel engines are coming to the U.S. I understand that the turbo diesels have better gas milage and fewer emissions than the regular petrol engines. As we all know many European countries have many vehicles that run off of the “cleaner” turbo diesel engines and it would nice to have greener BMW.

DrFill,
The corvette is a sick car, but you gotta realize that first, it’s rated 26 MPG highway, and second, if you drive like I do, you probably won’t be getting quite that. Second, this car is (for now) rated at 36MPG highway, and probably 24 city, which blows away the corvette’s 16 (stick).

Now take these figures (36/24) and add stick, and you’ll be looking at ~38/26, which is amazing for a car with so much torque. But the no manual is just a deal-breaker to me…

As far as I know the 335d doesn’t come in manual even Europe.

no manual? forget it bmw. sorry.

I thought diesel is for fuel economy and saving money overall, why the high prices?

Seriously though, why wouldn’t they put a stick in this thing? Isn’t the essence of a diesel, torque? Who wouldn’t want to be loping along in 3rd at 2,000 and just lay into the thing and go smokin’ up an on-ramp…. It’s a shame.

No one said that BMW would never provide manual. It’s just that the 3 series manuals can’t handle the torque of the diesel. Simply put, they will be sourcing a new manual for the diesel and offer it when it is ready.

It takes years to bring a car to market in the auto industry there is no way for BMW to time it when gas prices are at their highest. I’m sure gas prices will be up again soon.

Although I don’t agree with the concept, this BMW is about power AND economy not just about economy. Therefore the cost is higher and fuel cost savings are not that great.

I’m disappointed by the lack of a manual. If I bought a 335d, it would have to be a manual. I guess they left the door open though with the possibility of maybe adding a manual in the future. They probably want to test the waters in the U.S. first and see how it sells. With diesel fuel costing over $1 per gallon more than regular gas, I don’t think its going to sell well at all here. Unfortunately. Damned politicians aren’t doing anything about the ridiculous high cost of diesel, so there we are, stuck in reverse AGAIN.

I was amazed BMW didn’t have a manual that could handle the torque already, then I realized I think this engine produces more torque than any other BMW engine. Even the M5 with 500hp doesn’t have as much torque as this engine.

Getrag or Tremec would be happy to build a manual transmission for BMW that could handle the torque. The CTS-V has way more torque than this, and it has a manual option (Tremec).

I think the reality is BMW doesn’t WANT to offer a manual yet. Manual transmissions don’t sell well in the U.S., and diesels doesn’t sell well, which would mean a manual diesel would hardly sell at all. Of course, that’s the car I want.

I would settle with a DSG if they offered it. But they don’t even offer that. I don’t want anything with a torque converter.

It is not mere amount of torque that is puzzling for transmission developer, it is where in the RPM curve torque occurs. I think BMW did not wan tot “fight” certification process more then anything else (here and in Europe). With automatic they can control emissions and torque electronically, with a lead foot driver (as will be tested by certifying agency) this is difficult.

Most of posters associate diesel with economy only, but it far from truth. BMW, Benz and Audi are not economy brands, yet in Europe over 70% of their expensive cars are sold with diesels. It is driving characteristics of diesel that are amazing to experience. A little slower from 0 to 30 mph, but amazingly strong after 20 mph. And it is all from much smaller package then V8 (or even V6 if you drive I4 diesel).

There are many problems with this car.
First, no stick
Second, BMWs website show 23/33 EPA in a press release, then says it gets up to 36 on the HWY, which is it? I don’t think either is EPA official
Third. o-60 in 6.09 is equivalent to the 328i, so why call it a 335d when it doesn’t have 3.5 liters, nor performs like a 335i?
Fourth, from what I can tell, you get 328i performance (vs 335i), pay about $5k more, but get around 4 MPG better.

The saving grace was a stick, which would’ve saved more gas, and be more fun than driving a hybrid!

This package seems no better than Mercedes’ BlueTec.

Lexus still makes the best package of economy and performance, as their hybrids are faster AND more efficient than their gas counterparts

DrFill