Comments on: BMW announces pricing for U.S.-bound diesels; no manuals http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-announces-pricing-for-us-bound-diesels-no-manuals.html Car news, reviews, and specs for the auto-industry Sat, 11 Feb 2012 00:43:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: DrFill http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-announces-pricing-for-us-bound-diesels-no-manuals.html#comment-418462 DrFill Thu, 13 Nov 2008 01:10:34 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=11375#comment-418462 There are many problems with this car. First, no stick Second, BMWs website show 23/33 EPA in a press release, then says it gets up to 36 on the HWY, which is it? I don't think either is EPA official Third. o-60 in 6.09 is equivalent to the 328i, so why call it a 335d when it doesn't have 3.5 liters, nor performs like a 335i? Fourth, from what I can tell, you get 328i performance (vs 335i), pay about $5k more, but get around 4 MPG better. The saving grace was a stick, which would've saved more gas, and be more fun than driving a hybrid! This package seems no better than Mercedes' BlueTec. Lexus still makes the best package of economy and performance, as their hybrids are faster AND more efficient than their gas counterparts DrFill There are many problems with this car.
First, no stick
Second, BMWs website show 23/33 EPA in a press release, then says it gets up to 36 on the HWY, which is it? I don’t think either is EPA official
Third. o-60 in 6.09 is equivalent to the 328i, so why call it a 335d when it doesn’t have 3.5 liters, nor performs like a 335i?
Fourth, from what I can tell, you get 328i performance (vs 335i), pay about $5k more, but get around 4 MPG better.

The saving grace was a stick, which would’ve saved more gas, and be more fun than driving a hybrid!

This package seems no better than Mercedes’ BlueTec.

Lexus still makes the best package of economy and performance, as their hybrids are faster AND more efficient than their gas counterparts

DrFill

]]> By: Borat http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-announces-pricing-for-us-bound-diesels-no-manuals.html#comment-418321 Borat Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:20:24 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=11375#comment-418321 It is not mere amount of torque that is puzzling for transmission developer, it is where in the RPM curve torque occurs. I think BMW did not wan tot "fight" certification process more then anything else (here and in Europe). With automatic they can control emissions and torque electronically, with a lead foot driver (as will be tested by certifying agency) this is difficult. Most of posters associate diesel with economy only, but it far from truth. BMW, Benz and Audi are not economy brands, yet in Europe over 70% of their expensive cars are sold with diesels. It is driving characteristics of diesel that are amazing to experience. A little slower from 0 to 30 mph, but amazingly strong after 20 mph. And it is all from much smaller package then V8 (or even V6 if you drive I4 diesel). It is not mere amount of torque that is puzzling for transmission developer, it is where in the RPM curve torque occurs. I think BMW did not wan tot “fight” certification process more then anything else (here and in Europe). With automatic they can control emissions and torque electronically, with a lead foot driver (as will be tested by certifying agency) this is difficult.

Most of posters associate diesel with economy only, but it far from truth. BMW, Benz and Audi are not economy brands, yet in Europe over 70% of their expensive cars are sold with diesels. It is driving characteristics of diesel that are amazing to experience. A little slower from 0 to 30 mph, but amazingly strong after 20 mph. And it is all from much smaller package then V8 (or even V6 if you drive I4 diesel).

]]> By: Z06ified http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-announces-pricing-for-us-bound-diesels-no-manuals.html#comment-418306 Z06ified Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:23:29 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=11375#comment-418306 I would settle with a DSG if they offered it. But they don't even offer that. I don't want anything with a torque converter. I would settle with a DSG if they offered it. But they don’t even offer that. I don’t want anything with a torque converter.

]]> By: Z06ified http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-announces-pricing-for-us-bound-diesels-no-manuals.html#comment-418305 Z06ified Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:19:30 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=11375#comment-418305 I'm disappointed by the lack of a manual. If I bought a 335d, it would have to be a manual. I guess they left the door open though with the possibility of maybe adding a manual in the future. They probably want to test the waters in the U.S. first and see how it sells. With diesel fuel costing over $1 per gallon more than regular gas, I don't think its going to sell well at all here. Unfortunately. Damned politicians aren't doing anything about the ridiculous high cost of diesel, so there we are, stuck in reverse AGAIN. I was amazed BMW didn't have a manual that could handle the torque already, then I realized I think this engine produces more torque than any other BMW engine. Even the M5 with 500hp doesn't have as much torque as this engine. Getrag or Tremec would be happy to build a manual transmission for BMW that could handle the torque. The CTS-V has way more torque than this, and it has a manual option (Tremec). I think the reality is BMW doesn't WANT to offer a manual yet. Manual transmissions don't sell well in the U.S., and diesels doesn't sell well, which would mean a manual diesel would hardly sell at all. Of course, that's the car I want. I’m disappointed by the lack of a manual. If I bought a 335d, it would have to be a manual. I guess they left the door open though with the possibility of maybe adding a manual in the future. They probably want to test the waters in the U.S. first and see how it sells. With diesel fuel costing over $1 per gallon more than regular gas, I don’t think its going to sell well at all here. Unfortunately. Damned politicians aren’t doing anything about the ridiculous high cost of diesel, so there we are, stuck in reverse AGAIN.

I was amazed BMW didn’t have a manual that could handle the torque already, then I realized I think this engine produces more torque than any other BMW engine. Even the M5 with 500hp doesn’t have as much torque as this engine.

Getrag or Tremec would be happy to build a manual transmission for BMW that could handle the torque. The CTS-V has way more torque than this, and it has a manual option (Tremec).

I think the reality is BMW doesn’t WANT to offer a manual yet. Manual transmissions don’t sell well in the U.S., and diesels doesn’t sell well, which would mean a manual diesel would hardly sell at all. Of course, that’s the car I want.

]]> By: bd394 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-announces-pricing-for-us-bound-diesels-no-manuals.html#comment-418300 bd394 Wed, 12 Nov 2008 14:28:47 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=11375#comment-418300 No one said that BMW would never provide manual. It's just that the 3 series manuals can't handle the torque of the diesel. Simply put, they will be sourcing a new manual for the diesel and offer it when it is ready. It takes years to bring a car to market in the auto industry there is no way for BMW to time it when gas prices are at their highest. I'm sure gas prices will be up again soon. Although I don't agree with the concept, this BMW is about power AND economy not just about economy. Therefore the cost is higher and fuel cost savings are not that great. No one said that BMW would never provide manual. It’s just that the 3 series manuals can’t handle the torque of the diesel. Simply put, they will be sourcing a new manual for the diesel and offer it when it is ready.

It takes years to bring a car to market in the auto industry there is no way for BMW to time it when gas prices are at their highest. I’m sure gas prices will be up again soon.

Although I don’t agree with the concept, this BMW is about power AND economy not just about economy. Therefore the cost is higher and fuel cost savings are not that great.

]]> By: FinRox32 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-announces-pricing-for-us-bound-diesels-no-manuals.html#comment-418297 FinRox32 Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:05:23 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=11375#comment-418297 Seriously though, why wouldn't they put a stick in this thing? Isn't the essence of a diesel, torque? Who wouldn't want to be loping along in 3rd at 2,000 and just lay into the thing and go smokin' up an on-ramp.... It's a shame. Seriously though, why wouldn’t they put a stick in this thing? Isn’t the essence of a diesel, torque? Who wouldn’t want to be loping along in 3rd at 2,000 and just lay into the thing and go smokin’ up an on-ramp…. It’s a shame.

]]> By: Veda http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-announces-pricing-for-us-bound-diesels-no-manuals.html#comment-418293 Veda Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:42:00 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=11375#comment-418293 I thought diesel is for fuel economy and saving money overall, why the high prices? I thought diesel is for fuel economy and saving money overall, why the high prices?

]]> By: A4 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-announces-pricing-for-us-bound-diesels-no-manuals.html#comment-418275 A4 Wed, 12 Nov 2008 05:40:08 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=11375#comment-418275 no manual? forget it bmw. sorry. no manual? forget it bmw. sorry.

]]> By: brickyards http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-announces-pricing-for-us-bound-diesels-no-manuals.html#comment-418273 brickyards Wed, 12 Nov 2008 05:10:00 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=11375#comment-418273 As far as I know the 335d doesn't come in manual even Europe. As far as I know the 335d doesn’t come in manual even Europe.

]]> By: aexcorp http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-announces-pricing-for-us-bound-diesels-no-manuals.html#comment-418270 aexcorp Wed, 12 Nov 2008 04:33:21 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=11375#comment-418270 DrFill, The corvette is a sick car, but you gotta realize that first, it's rated 26 MPG highway, and second, if you drive like I do, you probably won't be getting quite that. Second, this car is (for now) rated at 36MPG highway, and probably 24 city, which blows away the corvette's 16 (stick). Now take these figures (36/24) and add stick, and you'll be looking at ~38/26, which is amazing for a car with so much torque. But the no manual is just a deal-breaker to me... DrFill,
The corvette is a sick car, but you gotta realize that first, it’s rated 26 MPG highway, and second, if you drive like I do, you probably won’t be getting quite that. Second, this car is (for now) rated at 36MPG highway, and probably 24 city, which blows away the corvette’s 16 (stick).

Now take these figures (36/24) and add stick, and you’ll be looking at ~38/26, which is amazing for a car with so much torque. But the no manual is just a deal-breaker to me…

]]> By: GalaxyCruiser316 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-announces-pricing-for-us-bound-diesels-no-manuals.html#comment-418265 GalaxyCruiser316 Wed, 12 Nov 2008 03:54:58 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=11375#comment-418265 I think that this is fantastic that some turbo diesel engines are coming to the U.S. I understand that the turbo diesels have better gas milage and fewer emissions than the regular petrol engines. As we all know many European countries have many vehicles that run off of the "cleaner" turbo diesel engines and it would nice to have greener BMW. I think that this is fantastic that some turbo diesel engines are coming to the U.S. I understand that the turbo diesels have better gas milage and fewer emissions than the regular petrol engines. As we all know many European countries have many vehicles that run off of the “cleaner” turbo diesel engines and it would nice to have greener BMW.

]]> By: DrFill http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-announces-pricing-for-us-bound-diesels-no-manuals.html#comment-418261 DrFill Wed, 12 Nov 2008 03:41:22 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=11375#comment-418261 For that money, give me a Vette with 27 MPG HWY Oh, yeah. And a stick! And it'll be a collectors item! DrFill For that money, give me a Vette with 27 MPG HWY
Oh, yeah. And a stick!
And it’ll be a collectors item!
DrFill

]]> By: FinRox32 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-announces-pricing-for-us-bound-diesels-no-manuals.html#comment-418250 FinRox32 Wed, 12 Nov 2008 03:04:02 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=11375#comment-418250 I'll take mine in a wagon! I’ll take mine in a wagon!

]]> By: Borat http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-announces-pricing-for-us-bound-diesels-no-manuals.html#comment-418249 Borat Wed, 12 Nov 2008 02:58:11 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=11375#comment-418249 BMW always costs more diesel or otherwise. Just like Lexus ES costs more then Toyota Camry, albeit it is basically the same car. Every car manufacturer tries to crack BMW secret sauce for handling and road manners, but honestly comes up short. It is not the superior quality, perhaps Lexus has an edge there, but handling - another 15K well spend. Now, if you put 400 lbs of torque on top without weight of V8, that's worth extra few grand. Of course arm-chair experts will not gather that much from spec sheet, but those who drive for fun and can afford will pay. BMW always costs more diesel or otherwise. Just like Lexus ES costs more then Toyota Camry, albeit it is basically the same car. Every car manufacturer tries to crack BMW secret sauce for handling and road manners, but honestly comes up short. It is not the superior quality, perhaps Lexus has an edge there, but handling – another 15K well spend. Now, if you put 400 lbs of torque on top without weight of V8, that’s worth extra few grand. Of course arm-chair experts will not gather that much from spec sheet, but those who drive for fun and can afford will pay.

]]> By: aexcorp http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-announces-pricing-for-us-bound-diesels-no-manuals.html#comment-418218 aexcorp Wed, 12 Nov 2008 00:02:45 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=11375#comment-418218 Sorry BMW, but you FAILED. Not only do you FINALLY come with the 335D when gas prices are back way, way down, but also, you fucked us over with the lack of manual transmission. Too much torque, please, plenty of cars have manual transmissions for this power. Just ask ZF next time instead of disappointing the masses. As much as I love the idea of Diesel picking up here, I just don't see it with the price per gallon... Sorry BMW, but you FAILED.

Not only do you FINALLY come with the 335D when gas prices are back way, way down, but also, you fucked us over with the lack of manual transmission. Too much torque, please, plenty of cars have manual transmissions for this power. Just ask ZF next time instead of disappointing the masses.

As much as I love the idea of Diesel picking up here, I just don’t see it with the price per gallon…

]]> By: DrFill http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-announces-pricing-for-us-bound-diesels-no-manuals.html#comment-418194 DrFill Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:34:03 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=11375#comment-418194 Seems to get aboput 7 MPG better EPA than other sedans in it's class But costs 5-10k more DrFill Seems to get aboput 7 MPG better EPA than other sedans in it’s class
But costs 5-10k more
DrFill

]]> By: Borat http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-announces-pricing-for-us-bound-diesels-no-manuals.html#comment-418189 Borat Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:28:26 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=11375#comment-418189 Price is irrelevant with or without manual. Makes ton of sense in X5 and I doubt there is manual X5 on our side of the pond. Then again, how many Benzes with manual are sold? If BMW would ship us 2.0L diesel (even weaker one with only 140 hp) manual would be nice. Price is irrelevant with or without manual. Makes ton of sense in X5 and I doubt there is manual X5 on our side of the pond. Then again, how many Benzes with manual are sold?
If BMW would ship us 2.0L diesel (even weaker one with only 140 hp) manual would be nice.

]]> By: johnnycanuck http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-announces-pricing-for-us-bound-diesels-no-manuals.html#comment-418188 johnnycanuck Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:26:57 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=11375#comment-418188 No BMW diesels since the '80s. Really. I guess all those noxious odors since then belonged to the owners. No BMW diesels since the ’80s. Really. I guess all those noxious odors since then belonged to the owners.

]]> By: mayer_ray_nagin http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-announces-pricing-for-us-bound-diesels-no-manuals.html#comment-418186 mayer_ray_nagin Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:20:20 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=11375#comment-418186 Today's prices driving in: Regular, $2.04 ... Diesel, $3.09. Over 50% more. Add to that the higher routine maintenance costs on the diesel, and you'd have to close to double the mileage to break even. Main killer is the fuel cost, though. I love diesels, but I'll pass. Today’s prices driving in: Regular, $2.04 … Diesel, $3.09. Over 50% more.
Add to that the higher routine maintenance costs on the diesel, and you’d have to close to double the mileage to break even. Main killer is the fuel cost, though.

I love diesels, but I’ll pass.

]]> By: howsmydriving http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-announces-pricing-for-us-bound-diesels-no-manuals.html#comment-418185 howsmydriving Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:16:08 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=11375#comment-418185 No manuals. Yesterday's technology. Deal with it. No manuals. Yesterday’s technology. Deal with it.

]]> By: Mutant@DCX http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-announces-pricing-for-us-bound-diesels-no-manuals.html#comment-418184 Mutant@DCX Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:12:32 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=11375#comment-418184 I like BMWs, it's the owners of bimmers that need a daily bitch slap. I like BMWs, it’s the owners of bimmers that need a daily bitch slap.

]]> By: pzimet http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-announces-pricing-for-us-bound-diesels-no-manuals.html#comment-418180 pzimet Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:00:59 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=11375#comment-418180 No manual? Fuck that. Although I'm thrilled they're bringing this engine to the US. No manual? Fuck that.

Although I’m thrilled they’re bringing this engine to the US.

]]> By: bd394 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-announces-pricing-for-us-bound-diesels-no-manuals.html#comment-418171 bd394 Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:24:50 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=11375#comment-418171 Maybe when manuals arrive it will drop the base price by $1500. BMW should have made a more economical diesel priced between a 328 and 335. Maybe when manuals arrive it will drop the base price by $1500.

BMW should have made a more economical diesel priced between a 328 and 335.

]]> By: DrFill http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-announces-pricing-for-us-bound-diesels-no-manuals.html#comment-418169 DrFill Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:23:49 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=11375#comment-418169 BMW makes bitchmobiles Another first in 2008 Diesels for the limp-wristed DrFill BMW makes bitchmobiles
Another first in 2008
Diesels for the limp-wristed
DrFill

]]> By: yarddog82abn http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-announces-pricing-for-us-bound-diesels-no-manuals.html#comment-418163 yarddog82abn Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:14:14 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=11375#comment-418163 No manuals! That's gay... What you thank this is Russia? No manuals..... Forget you then! PUTOS...... No manuals! That’s gay…
What you thank this is Russia?
No manuals…..
Forget you then! PUTOS……

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