Comments on: BMW exec: Audi not a competitor; Lexus is http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html Car news, reviews, and specs for the auto-industry Fri, 10 Feb 2012 21:54:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: CaptainObvious http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314604 CaptainObvious Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:36:23 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314604 jackjim I'm with him. ^ jackjim I’m with him. ^

]]> By: waywardboi http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314599 waywardboi Thu, 21 Jun 2007 04:20:14 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314599 jackjimturkey you got it!!!!!! jackjimturkey you got it!!!!!!

]]> By: jackjimturkey http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314568 jackjimturkey Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:45:35 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314568 Deantj: You’ve been taking your smart pills again, but I must defent Toyota’s faux-luxury division. They’re not ALL rebadged camrys. Some are rebadged Land cruisere, and some are rebagged Alteezas. Ther “flagship” is a rebadged Crown TierOne: REAL LUXURY CARS MBZ, BMW, Caddy, Lincoln, Rolls, Mazerati, Bentley Tier II NICE CARS Buick, Volvo, Land Rover, Audi, Saab, Chrysler, Alpha Tier 3 : SLIGHTLY NICER THAN AVERAGE CARS Mercury, VW Tier 4: REGULAR (BUT NOT CHEAP) CARS Chevy, Ford, Dodge, Honda’s faux-luxury, Toyota’s faux-luxury, Datsun I just left out the exotics and stuff like that Unquestionably, the BMW 760i is the world’s finest luxury car. Don’t be fooled. Deantj:
You’ve been taking your smart pills again, but I must defent Toyota’s faux-luxury division. They’re not ALL rebadged camrys. Some are rebadged Land cruisere, and some are rebagged Alteezas. Ther “flagship” is a rebadged Crown

TierOne: REAL LUXURY CARS
MBZ, BMW, Caddy, Lincoln, Rolls, Mazerati, Bentley
Tier II NICE CARS
Buick, Volvo, Land Rover, Audi, Saab, Chrysler, Alpha
Tier 3 : SLIGHTLY NICER THAN AVERAGE CARS
Mercury, VW
Tier 4: REGULAR (BUT NOT CHEAP) CARS
Chevy, Ford, Dodge, Honda’s faux-luxury, Toyota’s faux-luxury, Datsun

I just left out the exotics and stuff like that

Unquestionably, the BMW 760i is the world’s finest luxury car. Don’t be fooled.

]]> By: alucrowd http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314419 alucrowd Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:57:18 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314419 LP640 : why are you placing Cadillac this low ? You really think there are below Volkswagen ?? Eureopean cars are not always better quality than amercians. Also consider the price in your list. I think Cadillac is getting higher in luxury cars, Bob Lutz is doing a great job to change the image of Cadillac (and GM). LP640 : why are you placing Cadillac this low ? You really think there are below Volkswagen ?? Eureopean cars are not always better quality than amercians.
Also consider the price in your list. I think Cadillac is getting higher in luxury cars, Bob Lutz is doing a great job to change the image of Cadillac (and GM).

]]> By: LamborghiniZ http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314418 LamborghiniZ Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:49:06 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314418 Hahaha I love that BMW isn't including Audi in the list of competitors. BMW kills all of 'em, but I def would still consider Audi a good competitor, that's for sure. Hahaha I love that BMW isn’t including Audi in the list of competitors. BMW kills all of ‘em, but I def would still consider Audi a good competitor, that’s for sure.

]]> By: CaptainObvious http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314409 CaptainObvious Tue, 19 Jun 2007 06:11:50 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314409 Sorry Maximus. Honestly, I forgot about them. Nissan is definitely above Honda. Consider them 0.9 of Tier 2. My apologies. Sorry Maximus. Honestly, I forgot about them. Nissan is definitely above Honda. Consider them 0.9 of Tier 2. My apologies.

]]> By: kool_aje http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314408 kool_aje Tue, 19 Jun 2007 05:56:06 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314408 No. Porsche Panamera is. No. Porsche Panamera is.

]]> By: maximus http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314398 maximus Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:37:28 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314398 and Nissan definately above Honda. and Nissan definately above Honda.

]]> By: CaptainObvious http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314381 CaptainObvious Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:34:21 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314381 If overall styling/looks was the determining factor. I'd go with these lists. Tier1 1)Audi 2)BMW 3)Mercedes 4)Cadillac (Watch out Merc!) 5)Lexus 6)Infiniti 7)Jaguar......(I guess) Tier 2 1)Honda 2)Buick 3)Lincoln (Henry F. would be pissed!!) 4)Volkswagen 5)Chrysler 6)Toyota 7)Pontiac If overall styling/looks was the determining factor. I’d go with these lists.

Tier1
1)Audi
2)BMW
3)Mercedes
4)Cadillac (Watch out Merc!)
5)Lexus
6)Infiniti
7)Jaguar……(I guess)

Tier 2
1)Honda
2)Buick
3)Lincoln (Henry F. would be pissed!!)
4)Volkswagen
5)Chrysler
6)Toyota
7)Pontiac

]]> By: Veda http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314380 Veda Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:58:20 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314380 Most of people want to drive an Audi but their bad resale value makes them stick to the common norm (BMW, MB). Thus Audi is really on a higher level than BMW. Most of people want to drive an Audi but their bad resale value makes them stick to the common norm (BMW, MB). Thus Audi is really on a higher level than BMW.

]]> By: Aussie#1 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314379 Aussie#1 Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:35:40 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314379 nowei Audi oursells Lexus in australia so ur wrong. This is a bunch of scare tatics that BMW are trying to use, Audi's are great cars and last year the Audi A6 in Australia won the premium luxury award for 2006 from Australia's best cars awards beating both the E-class and 5-series???? so may i ask how could the car company that apparently are no compedtion beat both the merc and the BMW, well there's ur answer BECAUSE THEY ARE BETTER, BMW are scared beacuse Audi's gained sales are impacting BMW. my list 1)Audi 2)BMW 3)Mercedes 4)Lexus nowei Audi oursells Lexus in australia so ur wrong.
This is a bunch of scare tatics that BMW are trying to use, Audi’s are great cars and last year the Audi A6 in Australia won the premium luxury award for 2006 from Australia’s best cars awards beating both the E-class and 5-series???? so may i ask how could the car company that apparently are no compedtion beat both the merc and the BMW, well there’s ur answer BECAUSE THEY ARE BETTER, BMW are scared beacuse Audi’s gained sales are impacting BMW.

my list

1)Audi
2)BMW
3)Mercedes
4)Lexus

]]> By: nowei http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314375 nowei Sun, 17 Jun 2007 21:07:21 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314375 Has nobody focused on the fact that this particular executive was from the "Australian arm" of BMW? It makes a lot of sense for Lexus to be miles ahead of a lot of companies in Australia because Japanese companies have a pretty strong following in Australia. Thanks to the fact that Australia is relatively close to Japan geographically and both are right-hand drive markets. Has nobody focused on the fact that this particular executive was from the “Australian arm” of BMW? It makes a lot of sense for Lexus to be miles ahead of a lot of companies in Australia because Japanese companies have a pretty strong following in Australia. Thanks to the fact that Australia is relatively close to Japan geographically and both are right-hand drive markets.

]]> By: deantj http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314373 deantj Sun, 17 Jun 2007 15:57:44 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314373 "Everybody is different, they are not all car fanatics who hang around Leftlane on the daily, they are lawyers, doctors, accountants, architects, artists, women etc. " Comment by ss1, posted on June16 at 9:44 pm SS1, I nearly died laughing when I read this: the implication being that women are a separate category from all these professionals! LOL!! “Everybody is different, they are not all car fanatics who hang around Leftlane on the daily, they are lawyers, doctors, accountants, architects, artists, women etc. ”

Comment by ss1, posted on June16 at 9:44 pm

SS1, I nearly died laughing when I read this: the implication being that women are a separate category from all these professionals! LOL!!

]]> By: Vdub http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314371 Vdub Sun, 17 Jun 2007 04:52:23 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314371 the way i interpret his statement is that audi has the POTENTIAL to rival BMW. just ask 10 random people on the street which car they will drive. lexus and MB is CURRENTLY their biggest competitors thus far. the way i interpret his statement is that audi has the POTENTIAL to rival BMW. just ask 10 random people on the street which car they will drive. lexus and MB is CURRENTLY their biggest competitors thus far.

]]> By: ss1 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314366 ss1 Sun, 17 Jun 2007 02:44:04 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314366 for all of those who are throwing crap at each other in regards to which car manufacture is better, you should note that each has its own market its shooting for, so they make their cars to best satisfy that market. Not all are trying to make your favorite car. Everybody is different, they are not all car fanatics who hang around Leftlane on the daily, they are lawyers, doctors, accountants, architects, artists, women etc. Lexus if for those who what to get from point A to B in comfort, luxury, reliability, and pay less. So this results in them making more of cookie cutter vehicles, for reliability and so on. But they invest heavily in making their cars comfortable, if you ever been in a lexus their is nothing more quiet or smoother than like it. and thats desirable for some BMW if for those who what to drive from point A-B in an F1 car, what iPod generation technology gizmos, and flashy superficial designs. Bmw invest heavilty in driving dynamics etc. Few can compare to it in terms of drivng like a race car and that is desirable for some. Mercedes is the original luxury brand, its bent on revolutionizing everything and making you pay for it. safety, driving dynamics, luxury etc. For godskakes they made their new C-class biodegradable. This makes them respectable and the respect merc has is enough to be desirable for some Audi is first thing first design over everything, they sacrifice alot for style, but in reasonable measure. Its for those who want to live a life with a beautiful object. From a mature or artisitc point of view audis are the most beautiful. As well their emphasis on their quattro driving system can be seen an equal or better alternative to BMW and Merc rear wheel drive systems, for 1 actually puts power to the road, and 2 when tuned well can out perform the other systems in cornering. This can be desirable for some Infinity is new to the game and they haven't really establitished alot to their name. you could categorize them as an aggressive lexus. Cadillac is desperately trying to match up the rest, while GM problems hold them down There is always going to be demand for each respective brand, as for Audi not being a competitor to BMW that couldnt be any more wrong. They've dug into the deep pockets of VW and have released an onslaught of new models that directly rival BMWs' and from what ive seen they have been alot of audi converts. Audi sales have broke their records year after year. And those cars bought are cars that have a direct parallel BMW alternative. So that exec is stupid or is just like everybody else when they lose, they don't wan't to admit it. for all of those who are throwing crap at each other in regards to which car manufacture is better, you should note that each has its own market its shooting for, so they make their cars to best satisfy that market. Not all are trying to make your favorite car. Everybody is different, they are not all car fanatics who hang around Leftlane on the daily, they are lawyers, doctors, accountants, architects, artists, women etc.

Lexus if for those who what to get from point A to B in comfort, luxury, reliability, and pay less. So this results in them making more of cookie cutter vehicles, for reliability and so on. But they invest heavily in making their cars comfortable, if you ever been in a lexus their is nothing more quiet or smoother than like it. and thats desirable for some

BMW if for those who what to drive from point A-B in an F1 car, what iPod generation technology gizmos, and flashy superficial designs. Bmw invest heavilty in driving dynamics etc. Few can compare to it in terms of drivng like a race car and that is desirable for some.

Mercedes is the original luxury brand, its bent on revolutionizing everything and making you pay for it. safety, driving dynamics, luxury etc. For godskakes they made their new C-class biodegradable. This makes them respectable and the respect merc has is enough to be desirable for some

Audi is first thing first design over everything, they sacrifice alot for style, but in reasonable measure. Its for those who want to live a life with a beautiful object. From a mature or artisitc point of view audis are the most beautiful. As well their emphasis on their quattro driving system can be seen an equal or better alternative to BMW and Merc rear wheel drive systems, for 1 actually puts power to the road, and 2 when tuned well can out perform the other systems in cornering. This can be desirable for some

Infinity is new to the game and they haven’t really establitished alot to their name. you could categorize them as an aggressive lexus.

Cadillac is desperately trying to match up the rest, while GM problems hold them down

There is always going to be demand for each respective brand, as for Audi not being a competitor to BMW that couldnt be any more wrong. They’ve dug into the deep pockets of VW and have released an onslaught of new models that directly rival BMWs’ and from what ive seen they have been alot of audi converts. Audi sales have broke their records year after year. And those cars bought are cars that have a direct parallel BMW alternative. So that exec is stupid or is just like everybody else when they lose, they don’t wan’t to admit it.

]]> By: A4 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314362 A4 Sat, 16 Jun 2007 23:41:58 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314362 and please WEKS, keep your grannymobile to the right and please WEKS, keep your grannymobile to the right

]]> By: A4 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314361 A4 Sat, 16 Jun 2007 23:41:37 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314361 kannst du gegessen mein scheisse bitte kannst du gegessen mein scheisse bitte

]]> By: norby413 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314359 norby413 Sat, 16 Jun 2007 21:18:45 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314359 WEKS, fine, but stay the hell out of the fast lane! WEKS,
fine, but stay the hell out of the fast lane!

]]> By: obsessedwithautos http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314352 obsessedwithautos Sat, 16 Jun 2007 14:15:30 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314352 Halt mal die Klappe, A4 und geh zur Hölle. Halt mal die Klappe, A4 und geh zur Hölle.

]]> By: bun_a_gm http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314346 bun_a_gm Sat, 16 Jun 2007 03:16:36 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314346 I love my Lexus. I recently had the privilege of driving a 335i and all I can say is wow. BMW has done a great job with that car. I love my Lexus.

I recently had the privilege of driving a 335i and all I can say is wow. BMW has done a great job with that car.

]]> By: Veda http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314344 Veda Sat, 16 Jun 2007 02:10:11 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314344 You guys are living in your own world... yea when you're comparing performance / driving dynamics etc BMW is clearly much better but the guy is most likely referring to Lexus as a growing threat in stealing its sales numbers as a whole. You guys are living in your own world… yea when you’re comparing performance / driving dynamics etc BMW is clearly much better but the guy is most likely referring to Lexus as a growing threat in stealing its sales numbers as a whole.

]]> By: naggs http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314342 naggs Sat, 16 Jun 2007 01:48:11 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314342 MB has serious quality problems, they promised that those issues had been resolved and clearly they have not. not an option till they get that taken care of. MB has serious quality problems, they promised that those issues had been resolved and clearly they have not. not an option till they get that taken care of.

]]> By: naggs http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314341 naggs Sat, 16 Jun 2007 01:47:05 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314341 audi = expensive option package for VWs. lexus at least puts the power to the correct wheels and they are driving more and more BMW like with every generation. automobile magazine claims that the g37 is better than the 335 coupe. at least in terms of handeling/driver feedback. infinity is the real competator. if BMW wants to stay ahead, it needs to stop chasing the cat up the tree with this HP war. build the balanced machine while everyone else is trying to add another 100 hp. focus on dropping weight. putting vw on that list completly overides any other point you were trying to make. lexus has yet to make a sports anything so they dont even get consideration audi = expensive option package for VWs.

lexus at least puts the power to the correct wheels and they are driving more and more BMW like with every generation.

automobile magazine claims that the g37 is better than the 335 coupe. at least in terms of handeling/driver feedback.

infinity is the real competator.

if BMW wants to stay ahead, it needs to stop chasing the cat up the tree with this HP war. build the balanced machine while everyone else is trying to add another 100 hp. focus on dropping weight.

putting vw on that list completly overides any other point you were trying to make.

lexus has yet to make a sports anything so they dont even get consideration

]]> By: LP640 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314334 LP640 Fri, 15 Jun 2007 23:10:19 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314334 V-Series you blind moron heres how to make a correct list 1. Audi 2 BMW 3.Merc 4. VW 5.Lexus 6. Jaguar 7 Infiniti . . . . . . . 9994748447 Cadillac V-Series you blind moron heres how to make a correct list

1. Audi
2 BMW
3.Merc
4. VW
5.Lexus
6. Jaguar
7 Infiniti
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9994748447 Cadillac

]]> By: V-series http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314330 V-series Fri, 15 Jun 2007 22:45:23 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314330 I have to change Stuart's list to make it right: 1. Cadillac 2. Mercedes 3. BMW 4. Jaguar 5. Audi 6. Infiniti 7. Lexus I have to change Stuart’s list to make it right:

1. Cadillac
2. Mercedes
3. BMW
4. Jaguar
5. Audi
6. Infiniti
7. Lexus

]]> By: A4 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314329 A4 Fri, 15 Jun 2007 21:56:14 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314329 wow obsessedwithautos is so fancy with his german talk arschloch wow obsessedwithautos is so fancy with his german talk
arschloch

]]> By: alucrowd http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314317 alucrowd Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:48:39 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314317 I went to 2 different XDrive comparison organized by BMW. In those two test drives (3-series and 5-series), competitors were Mercedes, Lexus... and Audi. I think Audi is a little behind BMW but is clearly a competitor. They should not under estimate a big player like Audi in their market, because competitor or not, they are in the same market. I went to 2 different XDrive comparison organized by BMW. In those two test drives (3-series and 5-series), competitors were Mercedes, Lexus… and Audi. I think Audi is a little behind BMW but is clearly a competitor. They should not under estimate a big player like Audi in their market, because competitor or not, they are in the same market.

]]> By: Stuart http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314313 Stuart Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:35:00 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314313 Mercedes is definalety the best luxury car maker by miles. BMW is best sporty sedan maker. Lexus is a copycat and still unable to get close to BMW/MB. Audi are (quote VW former chairman) "Glorified Volkswagen" and pathetically FWD or too heavy 4WD. Jaguar is probably the only one to rival the Mercs and Bmer. This how i reckon it is 1. Merc 2. BMW 3. Jaguar 4. Audi 5. Infinity 6. Lexus Mercedes is definalety the best luxury car maker by miles. BMW is best sporty sedan maker. Lexus is a copycat and still unable to get close to BMW/MB. Audi are (quote VW former chairman) “Glorified Volkswagen” and pathetically FWD or too heavy 4WD. Jaguar is probably the only one to rival the Mercs and Bmer. This how i reckon it is

1. Merc
2. BMW
3. Jaguar
4. Audi
5. Infinity
6. Lexus

]]> By: Htay5500 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314308 Htay5500 Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:07:39 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314308 and here in the US ford products are pieces of shit. and here in the US ford products are pieces of shit.

]]> By: obsessedwithautos http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314307 obsessedwithautos Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:04:57 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314307 I'm sorry, but I always thought die große drei (that's "the big three" in German) were always on a level playing field and competing with each other even if their focuses were somewhat different. I'm talking about Audi, BMW, and Mercedes-Benz, of course. Then again, with the exception of the new C-Class, I think Mercedes is more of a Lexus competitor and BMW, Infiniti, and Audi in a group of their own. I’m sorry, but I always thought die große drei (that’s “the big three” in German) were always on a level playing field and competing with each other even if their focuses were somewhat different. I’m talking about Audi, BMW, and Mercedes-Benz, of course. Then again, with the exception of the new C-Class, I think Mercedes is more of a Lexus competitor and BMW, Infiniti, and Audi in a group of their own.

]]> By: JohnnyBlazE http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314304 JohnnyBlazE Fri, 15 Jun 2007 13:16:29 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314304 Pity the blue oval has such a bad rep as their new Euro models (see new mondeo etc) are slowly creeping up to the quality levels required to compete with all mentioned brands... They just don't have the prestigious name behind them and sadly Jaguar just doesn't compete for them etc... Which would explain why they are up for sale. Funnily satisfaction and reliabilty for Ford is on the opposite scale to Jaguar. Reliability for example: Top 100, Ford Focus is 44, Ford Mondeo is 62, BMW 3 Series is 65, BMW 5 Series is 93. Audi A4 does very well at 30, A2 at 60 and A3 ranks higher than 5 series too at 88, with the Merc S Class coming in at 90 and E class at 72 iirc... Hmm... food for thought :P Pity the blue oval has such a bad rep as their new Euro models (see new mondeo etc) are slowly creeping up to the quality levels required to compete with all mentioned brands… They just don’t have the prestigious name behind them and sadly Jaguar just doesn’t compete for them etc… Which would explain why they are up for sale.

Funnily satisfaction and reliabilty for Ford is on the opposite scale to Jaguar.

Reliability for example:

Top 100, Ford Focus is 44, Ford Mondeo is 62, BMW 3 Series is 65, BMW 5 Series is 93.
Audi A4 does very well at 30, A2 at 60 and A3 ranks higher than 5 series too at 88, with the Merc S Class coming in at 90 and E class at 72 iirc…

Hmm… food for thought :P

]]> By: Need for Speed http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314302 Need for Speed Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:45:03 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314302 I'm pretty much an M series BMW kind of guy. The 335i is a replacement for the E46 M3 so I like that car as well. I like Audi's R8 but that is pretty much it. I’m pretty much an M series BMW kind of guy. The 335i is a replacement for the E46 M3 so I like that car as well. I like Audi’s R8 but that is pretty much it.

]]> By: fan http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314300 fan Fri, 15 Jun 2007 08:02:03 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314300 not commenting this guys perception... he propably knows what hes speaking about - or at least should be... one thing i DO like to comment on is the part about audi outselling bmw... outselling another company does not help anybody... outprofiting another company is the interesting part.... not commenting this guys perception… he propably knows what hes speaking about – or at least should be…

one thing i DO like to comment on is the part about audi outselling bmw… outselling another company does not help anybody… outprofiting another company is the interesting part….

]]> By: Brendino http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314296 Brendino Fri, 15 Jun 2007 03:31:56 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314296 I was in an LS460 yesterday...and I was unimpressed. For all the hype, there was -nothing- to get excited about (other than the leather quality and the slick console lid). Give me a Bimmer or an Audi or an MB anyday over a Lexus. I was in an LS460 yesterday…and I was unimpressed. For all the hype, there was -nothing- to get excited about (other than the leather quality and the slick console lid).

Give me a Bimmer or an Audi or an MB anyday over a Lexus.

]]> By: RicardoHead http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314295 RicardoHead Fri, 15 Jun 2007 02:13:28 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314295 If I really had a bug up my ass to buy a car that I could not rely on to start each day when I turned the key (basically any european car, including germany's crappy luxury marques) then I'd take an Audi over a Bimmer or Benz. Most all german cars are nicely and purposely designed, after which they are poorly executed for the long haul. They are made and sold to appeal to those with significant inferiority complexes, which I'm sad to say is a large market. Just look at the lemmings on this site who automatically drool at anything with BMW on it no matter how hideous it is. If I really had a bug up my ass to buy a car that I could not rely on to start each day when I turned the key (basically any european car, including germany’s crappy luxury marques) then I’d take an Audi over a Bimmer or Benz. Most all german cars are nicely and purposely designed, after which they are poorly executed for the long haul. They are made and sold to appeal to those with significant inferiority complexes, which I’m sad to say is a large market. Just look at the lemmings on this site who automatically drool at anything with BMW on it no matter how hideous it is.

]]> By: Dav is Dead http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314294 Dav is Dead Fri, 15 Jun 2007 02:09:16 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314294 bottom line: lexus sucks. bottom line: lexus sucks.

]]> By: Need for Speed http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314293 Need for Speed Fri, 15 Jun 2007 01:38:35 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314293 Hot damn I love that last post truer words were never spoken and the aussie BMW exec obviously doesn't know shit. A go-kart could beat a lexus even when it's on it's last leg. Anyone could flick a hotwheels car across a table and beat a Lexus. BMW is the top luxury car company in the world. Mercedes and Lexus/Toyota are both wishing they were. Hot damn I love that last post truer words were never spoken and the aussie BMW exec obviously doesn’t know shit. A go-kart could beat a lexus even when it’s on it’s last leg. Anyone could flick a hotwheels car across a table and beat a Lexus. BMW is the top luxury car company in the world. Mercedes and Lexus/Toyota are both wishing they were.

]]> By: LP640 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314292 LP640 Fri, 15 Jun 2007 01:17:56 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314292 Lexus is also the most secure Lexus is also the most secure

]]> By: 1c3d0g http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314291 1c3d0g Fri, 15 Jun 2007 01:15:23 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314291 Lexus IS a piece of shit. Period. Ugly design, horrible handling, good-for-nothing engine parts, you name it. Toy Ota sure knows how to fool many people with their overpriced garbage vehicles, though. Lexus IS a piece of shit. Period. Ugly design, horrible handling, good-for-nothing engine parts, you name it. Toy Ota sure knows how to fool many people with their overpriced garbage vehicles, though.

]]> By: Htay5500 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314290 Htay5500 Fri, 15 Jun 2007 01:11:15 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314290 if you dont like lexus than ok, we dont need smart remarks. theyre a typical luxury brand i would consider if im a busy 9-5 person. i dont look at them as a sports car brand like audi, bmw, mb, etc. theyre all gr8 making high-end performance cars. and for nearly 2 decades, they are a sucess. i would like an s-class or a8 but too many ppl have them despite the fact i live rite nxt to the biggest MB dealership and tht gets annoying. i could consider an ls for tht matter. if you dont like lexus than ok, we dont need smart remarks. theyre a typical luxury brand i would consider if im a busy 9-5 person. i dont look at them as a sports car brand like audi, bmw, mb, etc. theyre all gr8 making high-end performance cars. and for nearly 2 decades, they are a sucess. i would like an s-class or a8 but too many ppl have them despite the fact i live rite nxt to the biggest MB dealership and tht gets annoying. i could consider an ls for tht matter.

]]> By: Kaizen http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314282 Kaizen Fri, 15 Jun 2007 00:20:33 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314282 The idiots who say Lexus is pathetic or shouldn't be listed amongst BMW or MB obviously don't work in the automotive industry. You can say what you want about Lexus vehicle dynamics or handling or lack of 'passion', but as a competitor, Lexus is the highest selling, most profitable luxury marque in the world. If that's not formidable competition, please educate me. The idiots who say Lexus is pathetic or shouldn’t be listed amongst BMW or MB obviously don’t work in the automotive industry. You can say what you want about Lexus vehicle dynamics or handling or lack of ‘passion’, but as a competitor, Lexus is the highest selling, most profitable luxury marque in the world. If that’s not formidable competition, please educate me.

]]> By: supakali http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314281 supakali Fri, 15 Jun 2007 00:08:25 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314281 Lexus is a piece of shit. It drives like a grandma's car. Dont even get me started with their design skills. The most lame design ever. Interior looks like shit with cheap plastic materials. New LS is the only car I would give prop, but I will choose a8 over that any day. Lexus will never build cars like R8 or RS4. Lexus is a piece of shit. It drives like a grandma’s car. Dont even get me started with their design skills. The most lame design ever. Interior looks like shit with cheap plastic materials. New LS is the only car I would give prop, but I will choose a8 over that any day. Lexus will never build cars like R8 or RS4.

]]> By: gsh http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314279 gsh Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:41:49 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314279 har har har... bmw....lexus. thats all! you can keep your 4 cylinders, your used-to-be-deadly-but-now-catches-on-fire TT, your front wheel drive A6, your A3 built on a VW Gol- i mean Rabbit, the completely pointless AllRoad, and the VW Touareg Q7. i kid, the R8 is good enough to cover all the other crap. har har har…

bmw….lexus. thats all! you can keep your 4 cylinders, your used-to-be-deadly-but-now-catches-on-fire TT, your front wheel drive A6, your A3 built on a VW Gol- i mean Rabbit, the completely pointless AllRoad, and the VW Touareg Q7.

i kid, the R8 is good enough to cover all the other crap.

]]> By: Stuart http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314278 Stuart Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:16:12 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314278 Martin, it is 3 years newer then any car in its segment. Plus I believe the Mercees E-class is the leader and s-class the leader in it own. As for realiability, Mercedes and BMW does not have other companies that it shares parts with like Audi have Volkwagen. This is the whole point why BMW want to collabrate more with Mercedes. If they collabrate for chassis development, material cost, hydrogen research development, share factories and buy common parts together as bulk then they will save thousands on production. Plus on top of that the part can be tested more efficiently by both manufacturers together hopefully making them more reliable. If this happens then any manufacturer is this segment is on their way down and out Martin, it is 3 years newer then any car in its segment. Plus I believe the Mercees E-class is the leader and s-class the leader in it own.

As for realiability, Mercedes and BMW does not have other companies that it shares parts with like Audi have Volkwagen. This is the whole point why BMW want to collabrate more with Mercedes. If they collabrate for chassis development, material cost, hydrogen research development, share factories and buy common parts together as bulk then they will save thousands on production. Plus on top of that the part can be tested more efficiently by both manufacturers together hopefully making them more reliable.

If this happens then any manufacturer is this segment is on their way down and out

]]> By: SERSteve http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314274 SERSteve Thu, 14 Jun 2007 22:12:38 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-exec-audi-not-a-competitor-lexus-is.html#comment-314274 If the BMW exec really said this and meant it, he had to be speaking about the general reputation of the company, not so much the actual product. Because quite frankly everyone is your competitor when your product costs as much as BMW's do. BMW's are the holy grail for some but for many, it's about price/performance/quality/reliability/safety. So when I go online and start pricing my new 335i and I see the $52,000.00 bottom line, I realize that if I'm going to spend 54 thousand I need to look at all the choices that are available. That can include SUV's, Pickup's, Luxury Sedans, econoboxes, literally everything. You'd think exec's at companies who make big ticket items would would realize that. So he really has to be speaking about reputation, not individual products. If the BMW exec really said this and meant it, he had to be speaking about the general reputation of the company, not so much the actual product. Because quite frankly everyone is your competitor when your product costs as much as BMW’s do. BMW’s are the holy grail for some but for many, it’s about price/performance/quality/reliability/safety. So when I go online and start pricing my new 335i and I see the $52,000.00 bottom line, I realize that if I’m going to spend 54 thousand I need to look at all the choices that are available. That can include SUV’s, Pickup’s, Luxury Sedans, econoboxes, literally everything. You’d think exec’s at companies who make big ticket items would would realize that. So he really has to be speaking about reputation, not individual products.

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