BMW’s on a roll

1.8-liter to 2.0-liter:

* Volkswagen 2.0-liter Turbo (Volkswagen Golf, Audi A3, Audi A6)

Alright!

Jon.

… in producing overpriced, unreliable vehicles.

Dean, that’s an ignorant comment.
They are one of the most successful auto manufacturers ever, so apparently they’re NOT overpriced & unreliable. My girlfriend has a ’06 325i…what a beautiful car it is. Haven’t sat in any cars in the same pricerange/class that can put a smile on my face the same way that one does when I take the wheel.
Maybe they’re overpriced because you want one and can’t afford it?
Don’t be upset, someday you might have the chance to own the ultimate driving machine…someday.

Yeah Dean..u need to calm down..one day you too can own a BMW..until then..SHUT UP

can’t argue with that

The 3.2 Straight 6 continues to win an it is quite the engine, and interesting to see subie with the 2.5… wrx are a tonne of fun to drive

Dean, quit talking out of your ass. Kthxbye.

You biased jackasses are a joke. They ARE overpriced. They ARE unreliable. They ARE NOT the most attractive cars on the road.

I could buy one tomorrow. I choose not to. It’s all about choice. And the lemmings you are will define your taste in this image-mobile.

I’ve said it before, I know too many people who’ve had issues that I believe shouldn’t have, considering these cars are the some of the most expensive on the road.

But again, the best engine hooked up to a sub-par chassis (in design and reliability) is akin to a young man’s heart in an old man’s body.

But if you lemmings are loyal to all of this, hey, it’s your choice. Whatever makes you feel better than you are.

… or learn how to put the electronics together so they don’t falter.

Spending that kind of money, I’d expect perfection.

Dean,

Do you know of a ‘perfect’ computer? One that never fails?

Now imagine a car with very complex computer systems and quite a few of them at that, all networked together and hooked up to a sh*t load of sensors…see the problem?

Plus, the OS allows you to modify really stupid things like how long the front and rear license plate lights stay on after you shut off the car, do you want them to stay on 13 seconds? 37? Who cares? Really? I mean just have them stay on for a set period of time and be done with it. Its nonsense things like this that over-complicate the car and can ultimately lead to computer problems. The more simple the programming, the less that can go wrong.

The only way to truly fix the problem is to have less electronics on board; it’s so simple I have no clue why no one does anything about it.

Jon.

actually, in responding to comment #5, only the 7-series and X5 are unreliable. the 5 series, at least in 6 cylinder form, the 3 series, the z4, and the x3 are perfectly reliable. the 6 series’ reliability statistics are unknown. so basically, what im trying to say is…you’re wrong.

My BMW didn’t start to have electrical problems til’ after 100 000 miles, but nothing is the matter with the engine. Small wonder they build the best engine. Gotta love those inlines and now, it seems, the V10 as well.

Hmmm, having an M3 and only having to come into the dealership for a recall, and having no other problems, id say they are fairly reliable. and my brother, who has a 545i agrees, as nothing has happened to his car. And we both agree they are the best driving cars out there. BMW’s are so popular among enthusiasts because they are made for enthusiasts. its not that we’re biased, its just that the company that makes them is biased. To enthusiasts. Like ourselves. So naturally, we love them! Even if theyre not the most beautiful cars around…….

“MJ”, monkey, primate, neanderthal, what ever you want to call yourself … I’ll post what I want, when I want, idiot.

I wrote nothing knocking the engine. However, I stand strongly behind fact. And that fact is these cars are overpriced, underbuilt, and unattractive for the money.

The fact that you don’t agree means nothing to me. I couldn’t care less what you think because I base my view on fact. You are an image buyer and nothing more.

But keep spewing verbal diarrhea … you’re exactly the typical buyer this company holds out for.

So they make an engine that makes less power and weighs more than the Chevy LS7 V8. And they win an award. Whoever gave them that award is intellectually bankrupt.

And don’t give me that “specific output” BS. Ricer math shouldn’t win awards. Results should win awards. And the results are that it is an inferior engine to the LS7.

“I don’t think you know the definition of “factâ€?”

I don’t think you want to admit to fact.

Nice… comeback?

And I will say they are a bit overpriced, but you pay for what you get. And yes that is a little bit of the name brand, the classic roundel and the feeling of owning a BMW. But I can tell you that my friend’s MDX which costs upwards of twice as much as my BMW is a hell of a lot cheaper looking and feeling. My father’s ES300 is much the same way, the gear box is failing and it drives like a boat. My sisters Passat, god knows how much that thing cost, isn’t nearly as nice of an interior as mine. Where the CTS-V seemed clunky, plasticy and cluttered, my 325i is organized and to the point. It is comfortable, but rock solid in the turns. It isn’t the fastest car out there, but it gets me from point A to point B in a quick as hell time.

And about the comment of them being ugly… Until you actually study the lines of the cars I don’t think you can have a full apreciation for how it looks. How at certain angles the car looks like it will eat you. They may not be your taste and that is fine, but you should be able to understand that the cars are pretty in general.

And I am including the new “Bangle” series in with this. If you want proof you just have to look to other leading manufacturers who are following in step and adding the, what I think is ugly, backend to their cars. So continue saying that they are ugly, but understand that it is your opinion and you shouldn’t shove it down other peoples throats who probably disagree with you.

We don’t care that you think they are ugly, overpriced and… underbuilt. We don’t care that you have this personal vendetta against the brand. You should move on, much like I will after this post and forget about us. You should go cream your pants about the car you love (F430 anyone?) and leave the bimmerphiles to their cars.

So in essence… please, with all due respect. Do us all a favor and stfu.

I think the choices are definitely biased towards where the Expo was made. While I think that the BMW V10 is a fine engine to take the crown, I wish that they take into account that not everybody has money to buy and appreciate the BMW V10 where it is only available to the expensive M5 and M6. They should have based on their decision on what people drive everyday and not these semi-exotics. I think Nissan’s VQ engine should have made the list because it virtually powers the whole Nissan lineup and is readily available for the everyday salary man.

I AM an engineer/machinist, and neither BMW nor Mercedes are worth the money for their high maintenence, over-engineered and undependable vehicles. I have to machine this crap! One failed engineering design after another. One failed design change solution after another. V-10 YES! a very correct concept for engineering component reliability, raising volumetric efficiency and reducing component weight. Having BMW or Mercedes design anything is like having Saks Fifth Avenue design tampons. Just “GIT ER DONE”!

I have a question though. The engine is great but the chasis still isnt to put all that power down. Ever watch that episode of Top Gear where a 355 Porsche Carrera with the carbon ceramic brake option beat the the snot out of the M6 in the rain at the Isle of Man TT? What is all that exra 150 hp doing!?!?!?