its a good looking car i cant complain, beats any toyota.

especially something like the sequoia or RX

but what to do with all the rendezvous? bury them in new mexico?

Maybe it’s because that thing is awesome. Everytime I see one on the road (which seems like a lot) I’m still impressed by it.

i finally saw my first one the other day ans seriously they look great, really surprising for a buick, now when the hell are they going to give us a new grand national?

Holy crap. It’s almost like France winning a war!

I thought I could get one this weekend. My local dealer has none, and even down in san diego, there are few to be had. ($41k!)

I wanted to get the new car for my wife’s birthday, but that’s not gonna happen.

CTS Driver: my stepdad had a Grand national. At the time, I didn’t appreciate it (It was, after all, a Buick). But now, I could kick myself for not begging to drive it more.

Lord, LLN is truly on the Enclave’s NUTS. I admit, the Enclave looks really good from the front, there’s too much going on from the rear, especially the little trim around the taillamps, but the front is well done. The interior is tacky and cheap, too many ****ty fake materials all thrown together. It’s an improvement for GM that’s for sure.

A4: This doesn’t compete with ANY Toyota. It’s a Buick. That’s what the Acadia and Outlook are for. This doesn’t really compete with any Lexus either, the RX350 is far smaller, while the GX470 is a truck based SUV, as is the LX570, both are far more expensive than this also. This is a large car based SUV, no competitors from Lexus really. Though there isn’t a Lexus I wouldn’t take over this.

That was actually pretty good Ricardo Head

yes, ricardo, funny. Because Enclave is a french word, too.
I personally think they are okay, but a little bulbous. I like more of a Jeep utilitarian design; no need to dress it up.

jact the last time i saw a grand national was some rap video the other day doing donuts. a rap video of all places, but hey at least it got some tv time.

‘Head-giver’, your stupid comments AGAIN today never cease to amaze me … you actually look dumber everytime you post.

Buick has as much chance as anyone at winning in their arena …. unlike you and your failed sewer cleaning business in Germany. Loser.

R-head: just though you’d like to know. As of today, Michelle Wie is legal.

Prius is still hot? Prius and hot = oxymoron.

It is likable van/trucklette/CUV. But it cost 35 large without options in the cheapest trim. God bless GM if they can oversell Odyssey which looks like a van, but performs the same function. No wonder bankruptcy rates are soaring.

It’s sad to see how people in the US are still addicted to monstrosities so they can burn huge amounts of fuel as they commute to work. Seriously, why do we need these things to commute one person to work every day?

GM is paying the big bucks to LLN huh. The Enclave is nice for a Buick but thats it If you notice people are trading in other Buick’s for this. There is no way anyone is trading in their import for this SUV CUV or whatever it claims to be
Keep paying LLN GM its easy to fool the domestics buyers on here

WELL WELL WELL, SOMEONE WAS OBVIOUSLY ON HEROIN WHEN THEY CALLED IT THE HOTTEST MODEL.

Let’s see if 1115 will come in here and bash them when this is praising GM. Let’s see if he recognizes that this is a good car that people are buying and does not bash it for no reason (or use old recalls of OTHER models to bash it)

We must have posted at the same time. This is a great car …for Buick

l-jay:

I have four children and my wife doesn’t drive

tripleonefluffer:
It said the most commonly traded vehicle is another buick. if you check your local honda dealer, the most commonly traded in model there will be another honda.

you can’t stop it!

Commodore: It’s still noting but a pile of roach-dirt compared to a honda or other japanese car. Only people who love america toom much will buy this crap. real americans only buy japanese, which is superior. If you have a GM with more than 20,000 miles on it, your odometer is broken. Cheap American Crap!
This car’s been out only weeks, and it’s already terrible and unreliable. Anyone with any money will stay away from it and get an import.
no one has ever traded an inmport in for a buick or any other domestic.
EVER!

So you have four kids, then you do have the need for a vehicle like this, but only when you need to take your family out on the town or on road trips. You don’t need a gargantuan vehicle to drive yourself to work.

It said the most commonly traded vehicle is another Buick. If you check your local Honda dealer, the most commonly traded in model there will be another Honda.- NO ****! I can see someone trading another import for an import but the point is that no one is trading in their imports for a domestic car especially this bloated POS.
People will trade their American POS for and import but it doesnt work the other way around. If GM wants to be a serious contender they will have to show have a reliable product that can compete.
No on is trading a Camry for a Malibu or a Accord for an Aura.
Keep getting paid LLN

Big vehicles are not bad for the environment when you haul a lot of people. One big car is better than 2 small ones.

LLN has been showing a little bit of a GM Bias, but it’s not so bad.

I really think this SUV looks awkward in person… the headlights stick out because they don’t flow with the design theme… the back end has too much going on. The interior is quite nice though.

I’d probably end up with a MDX or a X3 in that range…

Oh fekkin yeah, JJT! Michelle Wie! LEGAL!!!!!

I’d do her in a heartbeat, but would probably be the last heartbeat I have … but it would be damn well worth it.

l-jay:

You gonna buy me a Yaris?

The Enclave is a smash-hit, along with the Acadia and Outlook, considering the market for large cars is shrinking. I feel a 4th Lambda under the Chevrolet name is a mistake, though. Why continually pit models against each other?

You’d get an X3 instead? Talk about “too much going on”! Extraneous lines everywhere make it look like Bangle had pick-up-sticks in mind when he penned the silly thing and that his team had one hell of a time joining all the lines up.

The Enclave gets as good or better mileage than anything its size, in its class. It’s hot-selling because it’s excellent.

atourya: If I didn’t have a 35-mile commute, I’d lease an X5.
Nicer than the Enclave.
I tested the tribeca and Mazda CX-9, and both were very good, but I’m just in love with this Enclave.

I like the Mazda CX-9 and they got rid of that Duratec 3.5 from Ford and replaced it with an all Mazda 3.7
I would get the new MDX. Just make sure and get the tech package. I drove it and it was very comfortable and drove like a car very smooth and sporty. Also don’t discount the Veracruz. I just like that thing. In 08 they added navi as an option Havent driven one yet
There are so many better choices then this Enclave lol

Yeah good for GM. **** TOY
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how can tokyo rose (1115) in one sentance say its good then post 10 minutes later its a pos?

If you listen carefully, you can hear the sounds of LLN slurping away on GM’s fat ****.

1115 - the market in the US is stagnating so if Toyota is down, and Ford is down, and Chrysler is down, and GM is up…where do you think those lost sales are going. People from other companies are switching over to GM. Those are called “conquest sales” and GM has increasingly more of them. And yes, you posted that first comment while I was still typing mine, but it just shows how I was 100% right that you would be like “oh yea this is kind of nice, but its GM so it sucks because domestics are inferior…blah blah blah” at which point you will start the same argument AGAIN.

jackjimturkey: I have owned imports and was always skeptical of domestic brands. Well earlier this year i picked up a chevy work van w/ 140K miles and it’s still running strong and hasn’t given many any problems so far. I won’t lie though my honda feels like it’s better built and overall feels like it’ll have no problems reaching 250K miles. Hell I saw a ‘95 civic for sale with 930K miles up on craigslist. But I think the US market has learned its lesson. Namely, they know they have to build more reliable powertrains if they want to regain customer confidence. So IMO it can only go uphill for domestic brands-unless they’re out of their minds!

how can tokyo rose (1115) in one sentance say its good then post 10 minutes later its a pos?
What ?

CA36GTP: I’d have made it only Enclave and Outlook OR Chevrolet

tripleonefluffer (although “tokyo rose” is a good handle): why did you bring up the pilot? I drove both the regular an faux-luxury versions of the current (2001-06) model, and it’s acceptable at best. But I do like the look oif the “H” version.
I typically test three models before I buy. I like the Veracruz, but the Lambda’s are bigger

affliction: you’re talking pure sense. GM knows that even building a great vehicle won’t get the company much respect. Building anything less will really hurt

A Veracruz over this? You’re a ****ing dufus, 1115 … with the same taste of ‘Head-giver’ … who would be attracted to Wie, besides her money?

You guys are losers. Pathetic taste in women and cars … feel like I’m watching Trailer Park Boys.

tripleonefive, youy’re revealing your age and lack of historical knowledge by not getting CTS DRIVER’s point. I got it and thought it was hilarious. Just like RicardoHead’s France joke. But you probably didn’t understand either of them.

About the uninformed folks who claim people are not trading Jap cars for Enclave’s you are wrong. I recently read a trade magazine (Not GM sponsored) that claimed the Conquest rebate for the Enclave was used in the majority of sales. Conquest is a rebate you get when you own a foreign car. Furthermore I am in the business (wont say what) but I know for a fact that the Enclave/Acadia (don’t know about Saturn) have been very successful in getting people to trade out of Japanese cars. Last but not least, I traded in a Nissan Maxima for a 2006 Buick Lucerne CXS and my wife is planning to trade out of her 2005 Honda Accord for an Enclave sometime next year when we can buy one for less then MSRP. I laugh every time some idiot comes on these forums and bashes a product just because it’s GM or they read something in Consumer Reports without actually going out to drive or touch one. I was once one of the anti GM/American car, pro-Consumer Reports brainwashed and only bought Honda/Toyota and Nissan until one day I started working in the industry and saw for myself just how anti GM/American (GM=Evil)and pro Toyota (Toyota=Cares about your family) the media is…

Thank god I am no longer so misinformed and blind by hatred for anything American…

Well GMC I chose to ask instead of looking it up on wikipedia and then trying to play it off as if I understood it
Of course I would go for the Veracruz over this It beat the Lexus in Motor trend Lets see the rendezvous Ranier Enclave do that
It wow well that shows you are trusitng of GM. A conquest rebate is an incentive meaning that no one would do it otherwise. You are truly foolish to trade a Maxima for a Buick. An Accord for a Enclave hmm if you need a bigger car maybe but If you had a Pilot you wouldn’t have done that.
Good to try and help out the Patriots but show some proof of that “trade magazine” and mayb you can be taken seriously

lambo your a fool, this competes pretty directly with the RX, and i never mentioned the garbage GX but the Sequoia is also a definite competitor. 90% of buyers dont know the difference between “truck-based” and “car-based” and are probably soccer moms looking to get into hubby’s pockets.

this is why im hot

GM MOVING FORWARD….GREAT.

neat buick. it would be nice if buick brought its chinese models here.

rendezvous ranier Enclave?
Fluffer, you’re reaching again.
Although the Veracruz is nice, i’m concered about what kind of third-row room my sons will have seven or eight years from now.

inetpro traded in a GOOD japanese car for an Enclave, so you now CanCords and both Pilots will be three-deep on the GM “used car superstore” lots before long.

inetpro, you’re clearly seeing things as they are, and not through Red-and-White tinted glasses.

Though, truth be told, this segment is probably the one weak spot in Nissan’s North American lineup. It’s either the Armada, or the Murano.

A4: This is far better than the Highlander with the”L” on the front.

I can’t wait to get mine. I’m probably another two months off. Damn things are hard to find, and I want a non-boring color!

deantj: you’re forcing 1115 to think about his job during his leisure time

trippleoneFLUFFER: The Patriots are 5-0, they don’t need any help. But GM needs people like you.

htay: 1 agree. I also wish GM would produce that Buick convertible. Remember the Bengal?

Its a Vauxhall Antara with a ****ty American badge on the bonnet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vauxhall_Antara,
which was based on a chevy concept

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Theta_platform,

So Motor Trend is your new car-buying authority 1115? Because in that case, there are several American cars that you would choose if you go based on comparos like the Veracruz vs Lexus.

The only fool in these forums is the Jack Ass that refuses to even consider a GM product. Sometimes you need to step back and give credit where credit is due. quite frankly, I found the Maxima to be a bit cramped and full of cheap plastic while the Accord build quality was second to none but drives like a tin can. At least that was my impression after test driving the Lucerne CXS. Before that I was content on buying the same old boring generic Japanese built vehicles that Consumer Reports has been telling me are the best in the world. I assure you, if either of my GM products start to give me problems (not like I never had problems with any Japanese cars I ever owned) I won’t ever buy one again. So far So good and I expect it to stay that way…

How does that make me a fool?

By the way… A Pilot??? I drove the Pilot! While it made me feel good and is a great SUV I did not feel it was even in the same class as the Enclave… I did love the MDX. Liked it even more then the Lexus but I like the styling, interior room, refinment, equipment value for the money more then what I would have gotten over at Acura. No doubt we cold get a better deal over at Acura. They are discounting prices on the MDX. It will be a while before you can get a good deal on an Enclave. It’s simply better and in higher demand at this moment then anything else that Honda or Lexus have.

The past few weeks I’ve made it a hobby to make myself look at the other big name CUVs/SUVs (yeah, that’s right) and this is my real opinion-
the Enclave is the freshest, most elegant vehicle in that genre.
I don’t care who the other makers are or what their price or horse power or cup holders are like.
I am not impressed.
There is something about these Lamdas and very specifically about this Buick that gets me feeling it down inside when I see one in traffic. And I think I must have company.

Oh you do have company lucklaster. I just saw an Enclave on the road for the first time the other day, and I was so impressed by it, I almost followed it so I can get a better look at it. At one intersection, I was supposed to go straight but I went into the ‘right only’ lane after the it…

Comparing the Pilot to the Enclave is absurd. Its like comparing the Sebring to the Accord. In both cases, the latter is obviously better.

lol @ the Enclave being better at anything than the Pilot.
Of course if you are basing it on your patriotic opinion then thats fine but there is nothing that the Enclave has on the Pilot Certainly not a build quality resale and reliability
Its in higher demand ?? Where is a Buick in higher demand then an Acura or Honda ?? At the retirement home ? Please stop This article is paid for by GM. They picked the right website too, you people will believe anything.
The Acura is pricey but what SUV CUV isn’t? If I couldnt afford the MDX I would go with the Veracruz. At least when Hyundai came into the US they gave a 100k warranty, GM has to do it now that they are backed into a corner

What I am saying isn’t opinion, its fact.

You think the Pilot is better for no other reason than the fact that its a Honda which supposedly means that it has “proven realiability”. Then I will say that Buick tied Lexus for first place in that JD Power study (BEATING Hondacura) and you’ll conjure up the same old conspiracy theory that GM pays JD Power for that. Then LLN (as well as every other auto news site on the internet) reports that the Enclave is in HUGE demand and there is another conspiracy theory.

So what is your proof? “Proven reliability” (which you haven’t actually PROVEN with EVIDENCE) and conspiracy theories. Oh wow, you win. Yea, right. So I am the one who believes anything I’m told? Sorry, but I think your “facts” require more faith since they have NO concrete facts.

Yes, GM and Ford’s safety and reliability are getting better. The Enclave is a seriously strong contender for someone looking for an SUV at its price segment. Nice interior, decent exterior styling, and plenty of features.

tripleonefive-
The auto maker world is changing.
America is coming back around.
YOU may not see or feel it yet - but with or without you - it is coming around.
The big three are huge ships that have taken some time to turn. But, I beleive they are on a profound direction change.
Like Sam Houston said a long, long time ago:
“But when they begin to move in a given direction, they move with the steady momentum and perserverance of a mighty avalanche”.

Don’t sweat it, gents. 1115 still believes Paris Hilton is a virgin because once upon a time when she was 6 yrs old it was actually true.

lucklaster: I FEEL IT, I FEEL THE DOMESTICS COMING AROUND! I can feel it in my soul, in my very being. My bones. MY BLOOD. The Pontiac Torrent GXP WILL BE AMERICA’S SAVIOR! God BLESS the new Chevrolet Silverado 3500 HD!!!! THE NEW LACROSSE SUPER IS DESTROYING ALL RIVALS FROM AROUND THE GLOBE!!!

this is the time FOR THE DOMESTICS! we have such GREAT products on the market, KILLING THE COMPETITION! one cobalt please!!!

LamborghiniZ-
Stop screaming.
I don’t think you feel it.

oh-
and stick it in your anything but U.S. lemming ear.

Lam z lol

la sta mangiando lol

hey lamboz sounds like gm-sales, its about time you came around and realized the truth.;)
i know you and your little 1115 buddy will hate anything american no matter what, you sheep cant help it its what you have been told to say and cant think for yourselves. i wouldnt say the enclave is the best cuv ever because i really like the new audi`s, but i wouldnt call it a pos neither, it is gm`s second best effort ever, and just because somebody likes it you guys bash them, real grows up guys real grown up.
anyways what ever happened to freedom of choice and opinion? or should we just shun all cars not made in japan because you and 1115 say so?

Apparently by “hottest model of September” they mean by number of days on the dealer lot, not by total number sold. But how come they only mention the Buick Enclave in the title and most of the article, when it was obviously tied with the Prius? Seems like LLN is a little biased for domestics…?
GM had a nice month, Toyota was down overall, but only 1%, so the battle goes on…

Freedom of choice and opinion is exactly why Im posting. Your buddy Commodore thinks that consumers should give Gm a chance bc they are American and not because they make an equal or superior product. If you believe that GM is on the level of Japanese cars then you are the sheep
I never told anyone what they should buy I mention that the Japanese have higher resale values reliability scores and build quality All of which can be proven
If you think the best CUV ever is a Buick you have more problems than you can handle lol
LLN is not biased they are just cashing GMs checks lol

1115, prove to me that the all-new Accord is a good quality car. Go ahead - prove it.

I’d liike some of that proof, as well

Inetpro:

“if either of my GM products start to give me problems … I won’t ever buy one again.
Same here. There’s a reason I’m comfortable driving GM cars.
Lucklaster: This is a vehicle that impresses me in a way only ferarris and BMWs have before

tripleonefluffer. I can afford the “MDX,” but I’d prefer something better.

Commodore: your post at 12:18 a.m. was flawless.

lucklaster: They’re turning at different speeds, but they have to. However, I’m predicting that they’ll be the Big Two by 2017

RicardoHead: You need to take than analogy one step further. AND HE REFUSES TO WATCH HER SEX TAPE, BECAUSE HE ALREADY KNOWS HE’S RIGHT!

Lambo: No need to generalize. This is one winner foir one company. Although, coming on the heels of the Aura and contemporaneous with the Vue, you could say it heralds a GM renaissance.

Commodore: to quote the fluffer “Your buddy Commodore thinks that consumers should give Gm a chance bc they are American and not because they make an equal or superior product.”
Is that true?

CTS DRIVER: I don’t hate everything American no matter what, for example, I own a Skagen Denmark Cadillac V-Series watch. I like certain domestic products, but am so disappointed with the overwhelmingly bad build quality and product competitiveness that I can’t help but be biased. However it’s inaccurate to say that I dislike all American products, here I’ll name a few I enjoy.

-Cadillac CTS
-Cadillac STS
-Cadillac XLR
-Cadillac V-Series vehicles
-Chrysler 300C/300 SRT-8
-Dodge Charger R/T and Dodge Charger SRT-8
-Ford Mustang GT and above
-Lincoln MKZ
-Ford Fusion/Mercury Milan
-Dodge Ram SRT-10 (despite its utter ridiculousness, I find it an amusing product)
-Pontiac G8
-Chevy Corvette
-Saturn Sky Redline
-etc

I wouldn’t drive these next vehicles, but I think they are well made:

-GMC Sierra/Silverado
-Ford Expedition
-Ford F-150
-Cadillac Escalade
-etc

But you see, since domestic vehicles that I think are truly competitive make up such a small % of all domestics for sale, I am going to have a strong opinion and in this case, it’s against domestics overall.

CTS DRIVER: I also think the Enclave is one of GM’s best efforts to date, BUT it still lags behind the competition. “Better than before” isn’t good enough if it still isn’t equivalent to the competition. IMO. And yes, people can have opinions, I have mine.

Add the discontinued GTO to that list.

Lambo what “Competition” does the Enclave lag behind? I’ve driven everything that could realistically be considered a competitor, and many that would like to be considered competitors, and the Enclave beats them all, in my opinion

hey those are nice watches lamboZ, didnt mean to come off like an ass, i do respect your opinions, and i have always agreed gm has lagged for years, its just nice to FINALLY see they have started to play ball. and you about summed the total amount of american cars that are worthy.
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1115 please re read the part where i said i dont think the enclave is the best cuv ever, i gave that credit to audi`s recent efforts they are just sweet. and seriously i am really liking the fx45, i want a black on black one with black tinted windows.

jackjimturkey: The Enclave fits in a weird spot, but for me, I think that the Acura MDX, for example, would be a fitting competitor, and is a far superior vehicle. Or the Lexus RX350 (I don’t really think this is a competitor to the Enclave, but I suppose it’s close enough). Or even the Honda Pilot (will be redesigned for 2009, in which case I think it will be a class leader), which can be ordered with plenty of luxury features, drives great, and is extremely reliable. I give the Enclave props, but I just hate how everyone is totally on its balls, to an insane extent. I have a thing about interiors as well, it’s something I put a HUGE weight on, and their use of materials/build quality means a lot to me. The Enclave’s interior really isn’t that great, the wood is very plasticky, and the mix of fake aluminum with the fake wood is a real mistake in terms of design, it’s also a gas drinker, and quite bloated. But yes yes, better than before, better than the Rendezvous, which was…a bad joke.

LamboZ - you’ve made some fair statements, except I would add cars like the Aura/Malibu and Lambdas and some other to your list as well.

1115 - I don’t understand why you continue to post the LIE that I want people to consider American because of some patriotic sht. Neither of those things are true. I AM THE ONE WHO IS POSTING, I KNOW WHY I AM POSTING. If I was a patriot, I would be driving an American car. I just don’t think people give domestic cars a fair chance. So please stop making up lies? Ok, thanks.

How many of you here have a job that would put your butts in - much less drive most of the vehicles that you so self assured and brilliantly revue and pontificate about? Hum?
I’m sure most of you don’t - And I think some of you don’t even drive - hum? Some of you don’t even own a vehicle. Some of you don’t even have jobs. And some of you don’t live in a big market and seldom or ever even see some of these vehicles. Some peeps on here have great expert knowledge and opinion about every vehicle and are personally familiar with every nut, bolt and oil stain belonging to it. Bull ****. Some of you get honest and try discussing vehicles you actually know something about.
Know who you are?

Pedrohead just look at the Honda Accords track record. It speaks for itself.

Commodore you want people to give domestics a fair chance and they will when the domestics prove themselves. In 10-15 years if the domestics make a reliable product that are equal to or better than the Japanese then they deserve to be considered. Why do you care so much >????

Either way this Enclave isnt in the same class as an MDX or a RX350. Nice try GM..well not really

Why do I care so much? Because you are SO ignorant!! Listen to yourself, “Nice try GM..well not really”. You KNOW that the Enclave is a good car. It has gotten good reviews from EVERYONE (what, GM paid ALL of them??) and yet you still dislike it. Why? Because its a domestic car!

And sure, domestics have to “prove themselves” but how else can they do that unless they are given the chance to prove themselves? If biased fuks like you continue to bash them and slam them even though they HAVE improved design, quality, resales, and pretty much everything else..how are they supposed to prove themselves??

Turnaround comes faster for domestics in US because people feel guilty for buying foriegn and realize they they were just acting like cattle.

1115, “look at the track record” is hardly proof that an all new vehicle is of good quality. The Camry had a good track record until the tranny failures and other engine issues.

Try again. This time give proof since above you said it is a “proven fact” so …. prove it. Should be damn easy with all those proven facts you can link to. Right?

Lambo: neither Pilot is a real competitor for the Enclave, sorry. The Highlander is a joke, and I’m guessing the third row isn’t as roomy.

tripleonefluffer: Commodoe has stated his reasoning. So, when you say he wants people to buy American just because it’s American, everyone can call bull****.

lucklaster: I drive at least one car a week in my profession. yesterday, it was a Volvo C30. very solid, but not something i could get passionate about.

Fluffer:

“this Enclave isnt in the same class as an “MDX” or a “RX350.”
Duh. the buick is almost a luxury SUV, and the Pilot and Highlander are just … there. Enclave is Major League, Pilot/Highlander are beer league.

I didn’t mention the Highlander, jackjim. I don’t think ti’s a joke though, the new one actually looks really damn good. But I’d say you’re equally biased against Japanese cars as I am against domestics, so you saying that comes as no surprise to me.

Actually, in realty, the Enclave is “just there”. It competes against nothing. The MDX and RX350 are too nice and expensive to compete with the Enclave, you’re right, and the Pilot/Highlander don’t cost quite as much, and aren’t quite as large. The Enclave is sorta a pointless vehicle in a completely pointless class, if you think about it. It’s “just there”.

That’s not to say its a bad offering by GM, like I’ve said before, miles ahead of the Rendezvous, but what class is it in? Name 3 competitors.

Yeah, you did mention the Highlander. You just called it the “RX350.”

Someone mentioned the Q7 as the class leader. I disagree, but I’d say that’s a reasonable concusion.

jackjim: The RX350 is significantly different from the Highlander. It is not a badge job. Toyota did not pull a GM with that one. You’re acting like it’s a Tahoe/Yukon or Trailblazer/Envoy scenario, where the vehicles are identical other than the name. You’re wrong, lots of sound deadening technology is implemented in the Lexus, it has a completely different interior, completely different exterior, you can’t get it in a whimpy 4-cylinder version, the ride is smoothed out, etc. Same platform, different vehicle. However, I don’t think the Enclave should even be mentioned in the same sentence as the Q7, as the Q7 costs WAY more and is miles ahead of the Enclave in terms of design, interior quality, and sportiness. So for your sake you should leave that out of the comparison.

Sound-deadening technology?
here’s my rebuttal:
why not just put the sound-deadening technology in the Highlander?

it’s like the difference between a base and top-of-the-line tercel.

http://www.newcars.com/lexus/rx350/reviews/toyota-highlanderhybrid.html

My point was that it’s NOT a Highlander clone, and putting that technology straight in the Highlander would be utterly pointless. And you know it. It’s a totally different vehicle based on the same platform, that simple.

Let’s agree to disagree

haha i thought we were content w/ disagreeing from the very start? at least i was.

I’ll never by a “l—s” as a luxury car until they have dedicated models. I do kind of give nissan a break there\

Pedro and Commo
GM has to prove themselves with time Ill give them a break and say 2017 instead of 2022 . If the cars they are selling now are #1 in sales have awards and no or little recalls then myself and The American public can consider them alongside foreign cars.
The facts are in the Japanese cars resale value vs the American cars resale value. The Japanese always come out on top which means they have better build quality and last longer.