This car looks good, congrats to GM, but I am still very skeptical to buy an American car. Sorry, trust is not there. I guess I will just wait and see the reviews down the road.

Also I agreed with LLN about the dealership being so lame. I also like the Hyundai Genesis but once you step on their dealership here in San Diego is a letdown and makes you just leave without dealing with the salespeople that look like starving crows wanting to eat you alive. lol

Take a look at me now… yeah! watch out lexus!!! i Hope Buick comes up with a hybrid version of this car as well…

gugy, i agree with you, hyundai is no good… but i don’t think you can compare the genesis to this car, this is waaaay better than the genesis, much better looking (buick isn’t scared to put their logo on the car) this car and the genesis aren’t even on the same league… maybe one day hyundai, but not for now, or the next 10-20 years…

“At just under $34,000 as tested, our top-of-the-line LaCrosse CXS undercuts an equivalent Lexus ES 350 by around $5,000″. What about residual after 3 years of ownership? What about driving dynamics? “sufficiently communicative” is not description one wants to hear when comparing 35K cars. Does it drives better then Acura TSX or entry level TL?
gugy brought a good point – dealers service. Service at Acura (and even Honda) is head and shoulders above GMS/Buiick/Pontiac franchises, based on my personal experience. Once in pricey category one expects equal service.

Borat is a clown.

What a beautiful car. I saw this at the 2009 NAIAS in Detroit and seeing it in pictures just doesn’t do it justice.

NMOGM

He is right…………………………………..

Unreal, 1 vehicle crucial to an entire company.
Just shows you how pathetic Goverment-Obama Motors is becoming.

Let the bickering begin.

This is easily the Car of the Year. Fock Lexus, they don’t exist anymore, Buick is the leader here and Lexass is in their rear view mirror and fading fast. Everyone is realizing that overpriced Toyotas that are falling apart faster than a Tacoma or Tundra pickup badged with a pretty little “L” (which really stands for LOSER) are overrated pieces of crap and Buick is experiencing a renaissance which has put them in front with products like the Lucerne, Enclave and now this.

Lexus is dead, Acura is dead, Audi is a goner as well. Buick has more cache than Mercedes and BMW now, just based on the simple thing known as Quality. Something that GM is a leader at and those wannabe piece of sh1t copies don’t. No ignorant focktard magazine reviewer will be stupid enough to claim any japcrap or nazimobile on the same level as a Buick from here on out. Everyone has made their choice now and Buick is king.

The Lacrosse will sell like hotcakes for years to come. Watch Lexus, Acura and the rest of them close up shop when they can’t sell their crap anymore. Guess they never should have tried to sell cars to Americans. This is GM country and Buick is the Standard of the world for luxury. Nothing else comes close. Kudos GM.

Be American. Buy American. buy GM. it is our patriotic obligation.

Borat, I think if you include the entire quote your question is answered.
“The hydraulic power steering – no loosey-goosey electric stuff here – was sufficiently communicative – more so than the ES 350 we recently tested.
Where Buick’s engineers are truly to be commended is in the suspension department. A supple but not sloppy ride is exactly what we’d expect in this class – yet it’s one we rarely find. The floppy ES 350 doesn’t have it. The LaCrosse does. It won’t be firm enough to delight an enthusiast, but for a daily driver luxury sedan, the LaCrosse’s suspension fits the bill perfectly. It helps the LaCrosse excel as a highway cruiser, but it doesn’t fall apart over rough terrain or on twisty roads. That’s all we ask for in a luxury-oriented sedan, yet it seems so difficult for automakers to deliver.

Good work Opel. And appropriate rebadge from Gm.
gugy,
it’s not an American car, don’t worry…

NMOFGM, youre a moron!

The name Buick alone drives me away. this car is better than previous Buicks, I give them that, but GM has just fallen apart over the past years. I don’t trust ‘em.

Customer service only gets you so far when you have to visti them weekly and are on a first name basis with the desk. That’s why Lexus has this false dealer satisfaction, everyone is so used to bringing their POS car in for another catastrophic failure and having the dealership coddle their sorry ass just to cover up flawed workmanship and sh1tty quality control, suckazz don;t realize they’re getting screwed buying a crappy car in the first place.

Buick dealers have excellent service and the best part is peope aren’t always there to get their cars fixed so they don’t get much exposure to that fact. A Buick owner will drive hundreds of thousands of miles without ever having a problem so a dealership experience is null to them. They won’t see unneccessary repairs EVER!

Get a focking clue people, quit it with the false rumors. Buick dealers, like all GM dealers are better than any other makes out there. just goes along with their vehicles. Quit bashing American companies, you sound like complete tools.

Be American. Buy American Buy GM.

I drove this car a few weeks ago. it was one of the best cars i have driven. it was by far a better car then the lexus es350 crap. it didn’t wallow of bumps in the road and it just felt like a great car. And this will probably piss a lot of you anti-american car drivers on this site. But, i have to say. I also liked it because it was an American Made product, and it was actually made in Kansas City. I see no reason why anyone would buy a lexus or any other foreign made product after driving this car. that is of course if you are not an anti-america like drfilledwithcrap, good job Buick.

Wow. Try to rip off lexus much?

So with Opel out of the picture at GM where will they go for help with their next project? I personaly was not that impressed with the La Crosse To plasticy looking inside just like all other GM junk.

PS.
Just a reminder to flush twice Its a long way to Detroit.

Pretty soon you won’t have to settle for lesser vehicle from lexass, Audi or any other make, they won;t be in business anymore. General Motors has spoken and everyone is taking notice. This is GM Country.

Quality, reliability, dependibilty, desirability. Only in a GM. Nothing else even comes close.

Lexass, Audi, Volvo, Acura, Mercedes.

Victims of the American Revolution

Long Dong, no one answered the first question: what about residual in 3 years. Also, comparisons are with ES, which s basically either Camry or Avalon based. How does it compare to Acuras?

C’mon NMOFGM – I like GM too but let’s be realistic dude… you are just making a fool of yourself, Buick is good, Cadi is good, but they are not leaders in luxury, Audi is not gone, and Buick is STARTING to get into the fight against Lexus and Acura, that does not mean that Buick has proven itself to be better than them, or audi… As i mentioned before, i like GM, they are trying hard, you can’t blame them for that, they have some good cars, G8, Camaro, Sierra, etc but they still have to make up for those 2 or 3 last decades of not caring about quality and what the customer really wanted, so let’s wait and hope that they get competitive again plus as SomeGeek said, this is all Opel…

So NMOFGM:

Be Reasonable. Be Just. Buy the best. It is your obligation as a person to stop being a jack@ss…

Gugy +1,
Iooks good, I’ll give’em that, but I’ll still take a “rusty” lexus with defective floor mats.

Nothing even comes close.

SEPTEMBER SALES, WITHOUT THE GOVERMENT TIT………………………..

Oh, I forgot we own them with the union.

How convienent…………………………….

“This car looks good, congrats to GM, but I am still very skeptical to buy an American car. Sorry, trust is not there. I guess I will just wait and see the reviews down the road.”

Buick’s quality is amongst the best. What is there to be skeptical about? Are you skeptical about driving a car that looks better and costs much less than a Lexus while offering more features. I dont get that.

“Long Dong, no one answered the first question: what about residual in 3 years. Also, comparisons are with ES, which s basically either Camry or Avalon based. How does it compare to Acuras?”

First of all other reviews have said its a decent competitor to the FWD TL as well as ES350. As for residuals- who cares? You cannot predict in October 2009 what the residuals will be for this but since it costs less and can be financed for less the owner of this is likely to break even with a Lexus owner at worst. High residuals are a scam to some degree- all they do is distract buyers from being overcharged and paying too much interest. What good is an extra $3k of residual value if I paid $3k more to purchase and finance a car over 5-6 years? why dont you explain that to us Borat?

“The name Buick alone drives me away. this car is better than previous Buicks, I give them that, but GM has just fallen apart over the past years. I don’t trust ‘em.”

Thanks for all the sound reasoning and the thorough explanation of why you wont buy GM. So the product is legit but you wont consider it just because you are concerned about cars GM made years ago. Makes no sense. But then again thats why we have a huge trade deficit while the Japanese only buy Japanese cars.

Buick = The Standard of luxury, class and style. Nothing else comes close

GM. AN American Revolution

“Good work Opel. And appropriate rebadge from Gm.
gugy,
it’s not an American car, don’t worry…”

You and LLN are clueless. The INTERIOR was designed in China. The EXTERIOR and final vehicle development was done in the UNITED STATES. Europe was responsible for chassis. The platform is a GM global platform meant to support Opels, Saabs and GM’s US brands. This is a globally developed car but much of the work was done in the US.

“Nothing even comes close.

SEPTEMBER SALES, WITHOUT THE GOVERMENT TIT………………………..

Oh, I forgot we own them with the union.

How convienent…………………………….”

Lacrosse outsold the TL last month and was 700 units shy of the ES350.

Good point sj79. Those scumbag japs don;t allow American cars to sell in their COuntry because they are afraid that our cars might be that much better than their sushiboats!

Fock em, they’re ignorant focks who are about to be rolled over by American ingenuity, quality and engineering. Good luck trying to build a better Buick, or they’ll die trying.

GM. AN American Revolution

sj79 you rock man, you are like Need more oil for GM except you are not an idiot haha!

“Lacrosse outsold the TL last month and was 700 units shy of the ES350.”

Those numbers are only going to grow as dealers get more and more cars. Both of those pieces of sh1t will be lucky to find enough unAmerican idiots who actually prefer lower quality and miserable relibility.

Lexass and Acura are goners. They have nothing to mathc the Enclave, they had nothing to mathc the Lucy and the Lacrosse is kicking their sorry a$$es around like ragdolls. Go home boys, the game is over. THis is GM Country and you’re not cutting it.

Be American. buy American. buy GM.

Look for 10’s of thousands of dollars to be thrown on the hoods of Acuras and lexass. It’s going to take that and a miracle to sell any of them. Buicks sell at or above MSRP because people actually want them.

GM. AN American Revolution

who knows the residual value of a car that was just introduced? anybody? oh that’s right, you can’t predict! if you’re that hung up about residual value, how about you go calculate what the average buick residual value is and apply that percentage here…if you think because it’s a buick it will be worth 50% of its msrp in 3 years you’re gonna end up disappointed…residual value isn’t equivalent across all offerings of a brand, either…wranglers, for example, have a good resale value, other chrysler products, not so much…the point is, if this car develops a good reputation for quality then 3 years from now the residual value will be high…

aside from that, if you buy a car because of residual value you’re just trying to limit the loss of a depreciating asset…fighting a losing battle…if depreciation is that important to you, you shouldn’t be buying a new car in the first place…buy a 3 year old used car and let somebody else take the initial hit…

Be American.

Buy American.

Buy General Motors.

Take back the American roads which belong to us in the first place.

Diversity is Perversity.

Death to Imports

I just realized how many other cool forums there are without unbelievably biased biatches like NMOFGM!! LLN has gotten so much worse since you’ve arrived!

So this review, AND ALL OTHER REVIEWS of the new LaCrosse are pouring out praise on this vehicle, yet many of you bash it? Why? Be objective. Give credit where credit is due. Sheesh.

sj79 here is explanation of value of residual. Majority of 35K cars are leased by professionals. The reason we had abundance of leases because every Dick, Tom and Hurry jumped into fray and started leasing, with or without means of paying. So what is residual in this sense? It is projected by leasing corporation (Acura, GMAC, Ford etc) the value of a vehicle after 3 years. The value of the lease is the difference between residual and list value plus interest on that difference. Divide that amount by number of months in a lease and you have your monthly payment. GM has to project the value of its car after 3-4 years (life of an average lease). If GM will state value very high they will end up with low monthly leases for the taking and large inventory of cars they will not be able to sell in 3-4 years. For history buffs out there: one of the reasons GM got bankrupt in the first place was large amount of unsold used inventory. And it did not appen in 3-4 years, 100 billions in debt they accumulated over some period of time.
If you are an individual who buys a car and have plans to change it during next few years residual is important to you, if you buy car for 10 years then you are absolutely right it will not matter as well as list price.

idrino that’s right!

What’s with this clown? i mean “diversity is perversity” he’s probably an unemployed skinhead… way to go NMOFGM…

C’mon LLN keep white trash out of this forum!!!

i wish i had a sign that said… honk if you want NMOFGM out!

This is wonderful.
You guys got under that thin skin of NMOGM.
He must of gone on the net to look up sales number to prove a point.
He just left off the following.
Hey,
SEPTEMBER SALES NUMBER.

3 small words that should answer all your questions.

At this pace Hyundai should just write a check to the Goverment to buy Goverment-Obama Motors and take it over.

As far as Buick selling at or above MSRP.
The senior citizens buying them do not know the internet exists in order to get a better price.

Oh Yeah LWA.
Al Gore really did not invent the internet.
Sorry to burst your bubble……………….

MNORFM
if you look at the reasons why Lexus, Acura and other luxury brands have been successful is because they pay attention to detail and how to designs cars that people want an what satisfies their everyday needs. They don’t have to worry about their kids safety or theirs, to a greater extent. The car can symbolizes their success in the business world and impress their friends and family members. They don’t buy cars because a company has continued to fail on delivering promises they couldn’t keep and rushed a car to satisfy Americans desire to have a nice, luxury like vehicle for a fraction of the price. This is a car you would get to help ease the transition into a true luxury car. This car will ready the buyer for the CTS the next go round, or a 5 series. and if you look at this car closely in detail in the pictures, you see random thread start lines on top of hard plastic and disappear before being tucked away in nooks and crannies. NOT LUXURY. The arm rest in bulky and damn near behind the driver seat. NOT LUXURY. The back of the seats are straight up hard plastic. NOT LUXURY. The cup holder cover is badly integrated. NOT LUXURY. I, personally, am very happy for GM and their new found glory vehicle and confidence in design. Truly it is a step up in effort. Bu when dumbass fvcktard bitchass m0ther fvckers like you keep bolstering false information like you do about any car company that’s GM related or not, it pisses me off. Nothing you say makes sense. You need to shut the fvck up and stick to the facts. The fact is, GM is making a half assed attempt to make Americans buy their cars, and WE all here at the LLN community applaud that. But its just not good enough yet.

I don’t really see why people are so weary about this vehicle coming from Buick. I believe JD Power has rated Buick well for initial quality, as well the tied with Jaguar at the top of the list with JD Power after 3 years of ownership as well. I have no real brand loyalty to speak of. I have owned many different vehicles in the past from numerous manufacturers. The absolute worst customer service I have had was actually from Acura. I brought my Integra in due to a thrown alternater belt and the service manager offered me $500 for it as a parts car when I came back to pick it up. I have never had anything like that from a pontiac buick dealer.

Just had a gold one of these park across from me at Borders. The couple, at least 70 years old said they loved it. So much for lowering that buick demographic LOL

The car looks great in person. The chrome thingies on the hood look retarded. Do bad you couldn’t just take them off.

sj79, wish all you want, the current gen GM Alpha platform is basically a rebadged Opel Insignia. GM just about put their Buick look on it; they had GERMANS engineer it. Nice car? YES. A US made car? **** no!

GM A GERMAN SAUERKRAUT REVOLUTION

NMOFGM, still won’t admit that the Germans, Australians and tax payers saved your car companies ass?

honk if you want NMOFGM out!

You know GM, I actually have to applaud you for a change. At least you’re smart enough to know where it is you sell your product. Personally I wouldn’t buy this for all the tea in China (which it’s probably big enough to carry) but it’s selling well and may even knock off it’s intended Japanese target as the word continues to get out. It’s the rest of us who are stupid. A truly great automobile like the G8 struggles to the point where it is banished back to Oz but we’re crawling all over this bloated front driver like white on rice. Go figure.

Borat, Acuras are either Accord based, CRV based, or Pilot based. Why compare to them?

By the way, have only seen the LaCrosse in silvery gray on the road – that shìt color Dr Fill thinks is so fine because it matches his pubes. The LaCrosse looks like LaCrap in silver. It was far less impressive in person than the pics portray it. The new Taurus on the other hand has more live presence than in the pictures. As such, just gauging the wow-factor I’d take a Taurus over a LaCrosse. Yeah they are somewhat different targets, but the Taurus works it better, kinda like a hot nympho MILF works it better than a 20 year old beach bunny.

Here’s to leftwingagenda for hitting the nail right on the head of it!!!!

Awesome post, man, seriously, that’s put better than what I’ve been trying to tell people for years about the market. Ok, Buick hasn’t been known for good resale value. So was Cadillac when the first CTS came out, and guess what happened? It broke through and became very popular and it’s resale value has remaines very high ever since. Will this do the same? Who knows. But one thing is for sure – this is one of my favorite cars by GM ever and has the real meat to be a strong seller. For less than $34k it’s also one of the best deals I’ve seen on the market w/o even having a rebate.

@gugy

“This car looks good, congrats to GM, but I am still very skeptical to buy an American car. Sorry, trust is not there”

I hope you were just as skeptical when you bought your American home on American soil.

Oh and Johnny – I don’t know about the G8. I’m very seriously looking at one, but the V-6 is underwhelming me and the GT is still way too pricey to me. They missed out in this one thing – putting a real DI V-6 in their like the Camaro has and offering t with a stick a GOOD 6-speed auto.

@ NMOFGM

“This is GM country and Buick is the Standard of the world for luxury”

I would have to argue that Cadillac is the standard of the world for luxury, with Buick now right behind it. Pretty much the same way it has always been.

Smegley Wanxalot, all cars are based on some platform. I actually don’t think that AWD capable TL is derived from Accord and I know for a fact that TSX is based on European/Japanese Accord – very different car then NA Accord. If RDX has in it some lineage of CR_V, it is still much more rewarding truckelette to drive. As a matter of fact it can be said of all Acuras, they are much more rewarding to drive then Hondas. They also cost an arm and a leg more. The reason I mentioned Acuras in comparo and not Honda, ’cause 35K is a trademark of former.

@BuyUSA,

That’s an ignorant comment.
American cars are notorious for bad quality and mechanical issues. Just because I am skeptical about them it doesn’t man I am unpatriotic or whatever cr@p you’ll come up with.

Idiots like you are the ones are known for being the stereotype for “ugly American.”

This Buick is HORRIBLE! It will break down before you even drive it off the dealer lot, They can’t wait to get that horrible product off their dealers.
I rather drive Lexus or an Acura. So much better in reliability and quality & luxury.
Did i mention, Buick and other GM cars are made in mexico? Imports cars are built in United States, Creating jobs in America.
Do the right thing, Buy whatever you want, as long as it’s an Imports.
World Class Leadership of quality and dependability.

Jake, why not go for the GT with the V8? It’s less than this LaCrosse and with the difference you could buy yourself a pretty nice set of winter rims and rubber.

Sorry Jake, I missed the part about the GT being too expensive. However I have to believe there’s some dealer out there willing to deal on a lame duck model.

You know what would put his car over the top into greatness? Building it on the ZETA platform. Aside from the CAMARO, the ZETA is now used by no other division for no other car for Civilian/Citizen use, in the US. I don’t think anyone would honestly bemoan a long wheel base (Lacerne), short WB (LaCrosse), and a coupe (Regal or Riviera) version for BUICK.

BUICK has got their style thing on. I do like the fact that they put the elements of their design language together but only in the ways that actually work for that particular vehicle. So no trying to shoehorn the same exact look on vehicles it clearly doesn’t work on resulting in very awkward even awful looking vehicles. It also serves to give the vehicles their own identity and not look directly like a smaller/larger/alternative version of another vehicle in the line-up.

Then again, it would be too close to CADILLAC, they using only the SIGMA-2 for their cars. But then CADDY would be freed to be more aggressive in competing against BMW and MERCEDES. Here maybe CADILLAC could devote itself strictly to a Performance/Luxury agenda and forgo building larger vehicles, leaving that strictly to BUICK and their “luxury first” agenda.

Using the ZETA platform, or later the ZETA-2 (Now in development in AUSTRALIA), BUICK could build limited edition or limited production performance spec variants (REGAL GNX anyone?). With BUICK’s new style scheme, being quite frankly younger and vastly more appealing with more class and a much less of that “been there and was totally bored” look than most Luxury marques , BUICKs would quickly return to being the “Gentleman’s Muscle Car”.

That would be a few years down the line and we can dream… and can write to GM like a bunch of crazed stalkers!

Foreign plus, they have many vehicles they rely on. The Malibu, Volt, Camaro, Equinox, Traverse, Silverado, Express, Lacrosse, Enclave, CTS, SRX, Sierra, Tahoe/Yukon/Escalade, and so on. Your comment was just stupid and was completely untrue.

Borat, remember, this is just an internet website.

-iluvamcars

Sprockets, the EPSILON platform was created by Opel. The interior was designed in China. The chassis was done in Europe. Exterior design and production, done in America. ITS A GLOBAL PRODUCT, A GOOD WAY TO CUT COSTS AND SHOW OFF OTHER COUNTRIES DESIGN LANGUAGES THAT WE WOULDN’T NORMALLY SEE OVER HERE! It’s made in America, so how is it not American just becuase the interior was designed in China, where Buick rules, and the chassis was done by Opel, who added great European tastes? Tell me. They moved production from Canada to America. That’s more American than you can get. Let’s just applaud GM for creating a car that is in line, heck, pretty much better, than it’s Lexus competitor. The ES is an excellent car, but i’m turned off by its styling.

-iluvamcars

All car companies deserve equal praise!

I dont know how anyone can bash buick, when the only thing they have been lacking is style, when they have been on par with lexus in quality for years, better then bmw, and mercedes, so if you were only scared of buick because of how they looked, there is no reason to ignore it anymore, great looking car from a brand that has been great on quality for a long time. God its so annoying to get on here to get car news and see everyone just bash things just for the sake of bashing. Most of you must not be anymore mature then a highschool kid.

Got it in one, Anyclearer.

Got it in one…

@gugy

“American cars are notorious for bad quality and mechanical issues”

Do a goole search on Toyota and see how many different NHTSA investigations are currently under way. Not to mention the lawsuits they are currently involved in by former employees with regards to illegally withholding crash evidence.

But that’s ok, because the widely accepted common public perception is that Toyota are the “good guys” who are known for years of making dependable, safe vehicles and GM, Ford and Chrysler are crap.
Right?

You can make baseless and unwarranted insults at me all you want, all I ever said is that I hope you did your own due dilligence buying an American house on American soil.

Buicks may be quality in the rankings and this car has some style, but it just isn’t my thing at all. Too fat.

A lot of you saying that you don’t trust US Cars don’t realize Buick’s excellent track record for quality and reliability.

Rebadge? Not so fast – the Lacrosse is the first car to ride on GM’s long-wheelbase Epsilon II platform. That means that it only shares a very small portion of its guts with the Opel Insignia. The exterior was mainly developed in China and the interior was mainly developed in the United States, but both countries influenced the design as a whole.

I don’t understand why we’re talking about the residual value of a completely new model that has just started selling. It really baffles my mind.

Give credit where credit is due.

It’s a pretty car, but can I count that the faux woodgrain on the dashboard won’t completely fall off like the LeSabre I was in last night?

Lesabres haven’t been made in years, and faux woodgrain is used in all kinds of imports too.

iluvamcars, you are so right. Sorry, I thought I’m carving on a stone tablet

You guys are crazy.

This car DOES compare with the Genesis. They are VERY similar and in the same class. Buick has a poor reputation for being for old people and for people who use cars as appliances but need to buy American. Hyundai has a poor reputation for being cheap, Korean cars.
Both companies are in the process of rebuilding their image and only time will tell who will succeed.

The Lacrosse is a good step forward for GM but with the reputation that GM has as of late it will hinder even the best of cars from being successful. (This is NOT the best of cars). This is a good attempt for GM and is actually exactly what is expected. People freak out nowadays when GM brings out a competitive car yet for many years they were known for doing this. This car is a good and competitive car in its market. This is what GM should have been making the last 10 years. You see GM go from a 10 year old business model to current and it looks like leaps and bounds but all the other companies have been steadily progressing for those last 10 years. They may have FINALLY caught up.

Sorry Borat. I’m the token neanderthal on this site. If anyone’s going to bash their head against a rock it’s me!

In person, those stick-on fake air vents look really cheap.

But other than that, its good. Well, except for the grille

The fact that any Buick inspires this many comments is a reminder of how low the “General “has sunk. The new GM should have been Chevy, Pontiac, Caddy, sell Buick to the Chinese, kill GMC. Th best sedan GM has ever made is the G8…….

@cocojoe53

“The fact that any Buick inspires this many comments is a reminder of how low the “General “has sunk.”

I strongly disagree. The fact this story warrants so many comments exemplifies just how many anti-American import snobs there are om this forum.

You snot-nosed, twinkle-toed import fruitcakes are so butthurt over a story like GM actually matching the Japanese in terms of quality, styling and performance that you somehow make a “surprise” appearance over a story like this.

Your Impressive interiors can be found on just about every General Motors vehicle out there. They are the standard in quality and materials, even after CH11.

Everything else out there is cheap and tinny by comparison if you take the time to research comparable models. The worst interiors are still the ones built by the *** while the German vehicles I have been in are just plain ugly but built with nicer materials. Not nearly as nice as the materials GM uses, but better than the flimsy cheapness that plagues Japan Inc’s products.

Look inside Japans suposed finest, Lexus and you’ll find it pales in comparison to Pontiac or Saturn, let alone even coming close to matching a Buick.

Cadillac is untouchable by anyone.

Ford interiors are just fine and Chryco interiors trail by a large gap.

Be American. Buy American.

GM. An American Revolution

Yeah GM is a the top but a hair behind Ford. As for Chrysler they might not be in the first 3 contenders place but imo still way ahead of crappy Lexus not to mention Audi.
^
This was posted on MotorTrend.com. He annoys there under the name 1487. I’m sick of this guy. He is such an ignorant jackass. If he opened his eyes he would see that GM is able to make spectacular cars, but insists on making **** boxes like the Aveo. And Buick compared to MB, BMW and Audi.. Thats Caddy territory, far away from the entry-’level lux that Buick offers. If he made even slightly compelling arguments he could be tolerable, but the way he is makes me want to stop reading the comment section.

I was thinking that it was going to be tough for Ford to sell the new Taurus @ the price point they picked . But looking @ this new Buick I think they have a real chance of success. The Taurus is light years ahead of this car.And for = $ there is no contest.

Looks like new Toyota Avensis – fat, heavy, boring, trying too hard:/

Oh! And a very good, big engine, to be precise.

Be American.

Buy American.

Buy General Motors.

Take back the American roads which belong to us in the first place.

Diversity is Perversity.

Death to Imports.

The Lacrosse will sell like hotcakes for years to come. Watch Lexus, Acura and the rest of them close up shop when they can’t sell their crap anymore. Guess they never should have tried to sell cars to Americans. This is GM country and Buick is the Standard of the world for luxury. Nothing else comes close.

GM An American Revolution

Buick = The Standard of luxury, class and style. Nothing else comes close

Cadillac = Standard of the world in performance, handling, sportiness, feel and luxury. Nothing else comes close

GM. AN American Revolution

cocoojoe-
pontiac was a loser for over ten years now. at the beginning of 2009, dealers still had left over 2007 models that did not sell. pontiac buyers were the minority for of the gm buyers. they had one car that had any class, guts, or balls. you need to complete high school before trying to complete a thought on the site.

GM designed a nice car and there are still Debbie Downers.

Yeah those chromey things on the hood, and fake wood just pure class. Ok it looks better than Lexus 350, and especially ****ty Toyota Avalon, but that doesn’t mean that it looks good. Compared to anything european it’s just obese, old people transport.

The ugliest looking Buick yet. Looks like someone just ate some White Castle and took a crap on it. Buick= ugly American cars that 90 year old men drive that have testicles scraping the floor. Buy imports like Toyota, Lexus, Honda, and Acura. Be American- buy IMPORTS!

17 mpg city. What a joke. GIve me a Lexus anyday. If someone buys this they’re buying crap.

Buick dealers suck just like my hoover vacuum. I’ve never seen a Buick cross the 100,000 mile mark. Rememebr the Riviera and the Century? Pieces of dog poop with corn in it. Be American. Buy Lexus. Yes!!!!

Buick vs. Lexus. Hmmm, who has higher resale value. Answer: Lexus. Hmmm, who has better fit and finish. Answer: Lexus. Hmmm, if you were taking a woman out on a date, which car would you rather be seen in, a Buck or a Lexus. Answer: Ding, ding, ding- Lexus. Be American. Buy Lexus.

Be American.

Buy Lexus

Buy anything made by Toyota since they didn’t have to file for bankruptcy and keep Americans employed

Take back the TARP money which was wasted on crappy GM and Chrysler

Diversity is Puberty

Death to GM, Buick and all its little biatches.

Lexus sucks, Buick sucks.

“If you are an individual who buys a car and have plans to change it during next few years residual is important to you, if you buy car for 10 years then you are absolutely right it will not matter as well as list price”

If you are leasing a car all that matters in the lease price. If Lacrosse leases are competitive with TL and ES350 leases than you have nothing to stand on. If you are buying resale affects what you get at trade in but its difficult to tell if you made out better with a vehicle with higher resale unless you factor in what it costs you to own and finance that more expensive vehicle for 5 years. A lexus may have higher residual value but that Lexus also depleted your earnings faster than the Buick for the years you owned it. I’ll take lower financing and aquistion costs any day. If you invest the money you save over 5 years you will be far ahead of the Lexus owner who is proud of his high resale value.

Once again sj pwns the argument.

So the Buick wins in quality, reliability, dependibility and also cost of ownership.

Lexus is f*cked. Acura, Audi and Volvo to follow. G’day scumbags, F*ck off.

This is GM Country. AN American Revolution

“KarLoveBoy88:

Not buying a car because you don’t like a fanatical internet poster who defends a particular automaker is one of the stupidest things I’ve ever read in my life. Do you know how many ignorant import fanboys patrol internet car sites bashing American cars and misleading people? The internet is full of zealots on all sides but that’s not going to drive me away from a particular car. I’ve found that domestic car bashers are like racists- they find ANY reason to maintain their closed minded beliefs. If its not resale value it’s worrying about cars from 30 years ago. If its not that its worrying about pro-domestic fanboys who get under their skin. Honestly there is little difference between No Oil for Gm and the hundreds (or thousands) of ignorant pro import types all over the top car sites who refuse to acknowledge there is parity between American and Asian branded vehicles. Its funny because import fanboys pride themselves on being more educated and sophsticated than domestic car owners but I’ve found that some of the most ignorant, bigoted and closed minded people are those who swear by imports and refuse to even consider American cars. I’ve also found that most die hard import lovers don’t actually know much about cars or the industry or how the history of the industry. These are people who think the Japanese taught Americans how to make cars but don’t realize an American helped the Japanese auto indsutry recover and build quality vehicles after WW2.

“I was thinking that it was going to be tough for Ford to sell the new Taurus @ the price point they picked . But looking @ this new Buick I think they have a real chance of success. The Taurus is light years ahead of this car.And for = $ there is no contest.”

Actually Taurus has two advantages: larger trunk and standard 3.5L engine. Thats about it. Both cars have a lot of technology and large backseats. The Buick actually has more rear seat space than the Taurus in spite of being shorter. They are both well built American cars that should be successful. To say the Taurus is “light years” ahead is ridiculous and only a Ford fanboy would make such a statement. I’d get either one before I purchased an unsightly TL or too small Maxima.

“That’s an ignorant comment.
American cars are notorious for bad quality and mechanical issues. Just because I am skeptical about them it doesn’t man I am unpatriotic or whatever cr@p you’ll come up with.

Idiots like you are the ones are known for being the stereotype for “ugly American.””

Case in point. A guy bashing American car owners who can’t get his facts straight. consult JDPower and CR before spreading nonsense about poor quality. Buick ranks near the top in reliability in JD Power and the old Lacrosse was rated above average by CR in reliability. The Malibu is rated above average and its the predescessor to this car in some ways.

Don’t call others idiots if you can’t tell fact from fiction. American car bashers base their opinions on steretypes and heresay- not actual facts.

“sj79, wish all you want, the current gen GM Alpha platform is basically a rebadged Opel Insignia. GM just about put their Buick look on it; they had GERMANS engineer it. Nice car? YES. A US made car? **** no!”

More ignorance. The alpha platform is RWD platform that hasn’t been released yet. That platform will support AMERICAN cars, Cadillacs. The insignia is on the EP2 platform but it has a different wheelbase than the Lacrosse. The gen 1 epsilon platform was made to support European and American cars like Vectra, Malibu, Aura, etc. The 2nd gen platform supports Insignia, Regal and Lacrosse. The next Malibu will be on this platform. Germany was responsible for dynamics but this is a global platform. The next Malibu is currently being designed in the US but it will share dimensions with the Insignia.

BTW, the Lacrosse doesn’t share sheetmetal or an interior with the Insignia. the Regal is a rebadged Insignia and that will come here in 2010. The Lacrosse is unique from a styling standpoint. In addition, the Insignia has turbo gas and diesel engines. The Lacrosse does not.

Only an idiot would ever compare a Ford to a Buick. Totally different class of vehicle. The Ford is a generic, everyman car and rental fodder. The Buick is a stately, sophisiticated, class standard for luxury, quality and ride.

Ford competes with Chevy, Buick is an Acura, Audi, Infiniti and Volvo beater and the argument can be made that it trounces Mercedes and BMW as well when you compare the outstanding, world reknown General Motors quality to the pathetic, low quality, unreliable nature of those Europeans cars.

GM. AN American Revolution.

Gugy, good grief, how much more evidence do you need showing American cars have closed the gap, and in some cases passed, the Japanese in quality and design? The evidence is overwhelming. The Americans are receiving accolades and awards right and left. Enough with this distrust of American cars already. Its so old.

Hey Need More Oil For GM, your off the wall rants and tyraids are doing nothing to advance your cause to buy American. Im all for getting the word out the Americans build world class cars but you just sound like a loon.

As for the new Lacrosse….absolutely gorgeous. Fantastic car. Great job GM and keep ‘em coming.

teddyc73 – I’m with you on both point (improvement of the US autos and “Oil-boy” being tired and useless to listen to). I think the “kick-in-the-ass” wake up call that the Big 3 finally got will do some good. Now if only their management teams will really take to heart.

Anyway, the new LaCrosse is light years improvement over the last tired old model. Can’t wait to see in person and test drive. I hope GM get’s bold and brings the hatch and wagon designs over from Opel as well. The wagon base is quite the looker. Might not happen though because I think it would be better priced and more appealing than the CTS wagon and you know that GM management will never allow a lower brand model upstage a higher end one.

Buick = The Standard of luxury, class and style. Nothing else comes close

Cadillac = Standard of the world in performance, handling, sportiness, feel and luxury. Nothing else comes close

GM. AN American Revolution.

So MNOFG, if Buick competes with Acura, Audi, Infinity, Mercedes Benz, and BMW… who does Cadillac compete with? Bentley, Rolls Royce? Surely General Motors would have two companies the aim for the same demographic, that would be unheard of.

Buick does not compete with BMW and MB. They compete with Lincoln, Acura and Lexus. When did he even say otherwise?

VR6VW – I’ve been asking him that for a while. Never get a good answer. Just the same useless babble. I do love the fact that the best passenger cars coming out of GM in the last few years have been derivatives from Opel, not design or platforms developed by Detroit teams. So what does that say about the state of things?

Ah sj79 look above.. if you can’t i can quote for you

“Buick is an Acura, Audi, Infiniti and Volvo beater and the argument can be made that it trounces Mercedes and BMW as well when you compare the outstanding, world reknown General Motors quality to the pathetic, low quality, unreliable nature of those Europeans cars.”

Buick will never compete with european cars. just look at this fake wood, and cheap looking chromes. Like japanese it lacks of style, luxury and class. It’sbetter than lexus, but almost everything is better than overpriced toyota.

It looks good onscreen, but I want to see how the bugger holds up in the real world, durability-wise, cost-of-ownership-wise, and residual-value wise, two years from now. Design is nice, but it’s all about execution, and GM has a LOT to prove on that score.

SEPTEMBER SALES NUMBERS.
ENOUGH SAID.

You’re a jackass.

Enough said.

Be American. buy American. Buy GM. Support the American Revolution and deny the imports!

@NMOFGM

Pot calling the kettle black?

Be a Smart American.

Buy a Lexus

Buy anything made by Toyota since they didn’t have to file for bankruptcy and keep Americans employed. As long as it’s not a Buick.

Buy a Honda Civic, add lambo doors to it, a big spoiler, big rims and a big exhaust and claim they make 800hp because all civic’s come with 800hp. It’s better than a buick.

Every driveway should have a Japanese Car in their driveway.

Buy imports, a Import Revolution.

Toyota Yaris = The Standard of luxury, class and style. Nothing else comes close
Sure beats a Buick in pretty much everything.
Imagine a Toyota Camry Vs a 2010 Buick Lacrosse CXS, it does not even compare.

Imports. AN Import Revolution
or a ford, they are pretty good also. Sure beats any car made from GM.

Im done with these, Now there are two idiots nmofgm, and nmofgm jackass. You two ruin coming on here to look up car news.

“To say the Taurus is “light years” ahead is ridiculous and only a Ford fanboy would make such a statement”
Sorry sj79 but I’m not a Ford fanboy , a Honda /Toyota fanboy yes . . . but a ford one, no. I think this Buick is derivative, with a thick Altima side view and a Acura TL/ Saturn Aura tail. And when I try to think like the typical geriatric buyer of these cars i just don’t see it. IMHO the push for high tech goodies in this class is useless. The real sales winner against this new Buick will be the Impala.As it will offer the GM buyer ~ the same sense of space @ a much lower price point. @ least until a new generation Chevy comes around and its price jumps up accordingly.

“If you are an individual who buys a car and have plans to change it during next few years residual is important to you, if you buy car for 10 years then you are absolutely right it will not matter as well as list price”

Also false, where I live cars still get stolen & wrecked. And the depreciated cost of the car is reflected in the insurance pay out.So to many consumers choosing a car with a worse residual value = choosing the need for gap insurance.

“I do love the fact that the best passenger cars coming out of GM in the last few years have been derivatives from Opel, not design or platforms developed by Detroit teams. So what does that say about the state of things?”

I will repeat this again: This is not a “derivative” of Opel. The EP2 platform is for global use in US, China and Europe. The Lacrosse was styled in the US and final vehicle integration was in the US. Interior design was in China. Until GM sells its stake in Opel you should know GM OWNS Opel and thus any Opel engineering work is under GM.

“Ah sj79 look above.. if you can’t i can quote for you”

Thanks. Why are you even debating that guy? Buick competes with luxury brands that offer FWD and AWD like Lexus, Acura, Volvo, etc. Its common sense. Why are you chasing around an irrational persion (who is likely an import fanboy) instead of dealing with the facts? Normal people understand Buick is NOT going after BMW. Buick reps tell you they are aiming at Lexus and Acura.

“The real sales winner against this new Buick will be the Impala.As it will offer the GM buyer ~ the same sense of space @ a much lower price point. @ least until a new generation Chevy comes around and its price jumps up accordingly.”

Impala and lacrosse have very little price overlap. This car looks nothing like the Altima in anyway. Both have four doors and wheels- thats where the similarity ends. It may resemble the Aura a little from the rear but thats not a bad thing.

Geriatric? Enclave owners were 12 years younger than other Buick owners. This car will do the same thing. The styling, features and advertising will attract people in 40s and 50s. As far as I can tell you have no legit reasons to dislike the car but are putting it down because its a Buick. I’m far younger than the average Buick driver and I would never buy the current TL. Its odd looking and pricey.

“Also false, where I live cars still get stolen & wrecked. And the depreciated cost of the car is reflected in the insurance pay out.So to many consumers choosing a car with a worse residual value = choosing the need for gap insurance.”

If you put money down you shouldnt need gap insurance. if your car is wrecked within weeks of buying it you will likely owe more than its worth. That is true even if you own a Lexus since cars lose thousands as soon as you drive them off the lot.

“Buick will never compete with european cars. just look at this fake wood, and cheap looking chromes. Like japanese it lacks of style, luxury and class. It’sbetter than lexus, but almost everything is better than overpriced toyota.”

Its not aimed at European cars. Its aimed at Taurus, Avalon, ES, etc.

“As far as I can tell you have no legit reasons to dislike the car but are putting it down because its a Buick.” Honestly I don’t dislike the car I think it’s very . . . OK. . . but is that enough in today’s economy? And my point on the residual value was if you should loose your car through no fault of your own, the car with the highest residual value will give you the highest payoff and so the most cash in hand to buy a new one.

So i’m done with arguing with internet people because they wont give rational answers. I’m still going to throw in my 2 cents on the car. The front end is very impressive, as is the back. LLN mentions the side profile, but i think it looks huge. It’s not appealing at all. The interior is very nice for entry level lux. I am curious about fit and finish. Other than that it is far more exciting than the Lexus, but i would rather have the Taurus. It just seems like Buick needs a few more cars to make it feel like a youthful brand again.

The 2011 Chrysler 300C will wipe its ass with the LaCrosse.

Flipper:

“OK” compared to what? You are holding it to some mythical standard that your precious imports don’t even acheive. It looks better than the ES, costs less than the ES, has more rear seat room, has more features and matches the ES on warranty and build quality. How is that an “OK” car?

I got your point about residual value, that is hardly a major reason to make a car choice. If you crash your car soon after purchase you are in a bad situation all around. I’m not going to buy an inferior, more expensive car just to get slightly higher residual value. In additio, you have no info about residual for this car so I don’t see why you are harping on that.

VR6:

I answered all your questions and corrected you a few times. The Buick regal comes next year and it will be a nice car- its essentially the Opel Insignia.

@ NMOFGM
You still think this is the 1700s? American Revolution??
COME ON!!! Right now is the 21st century! People have the rights to choose what items (that’s including cars) they want…
Stop trying brainwashing others; we’re not even believing you!

This is GM country and Buick is the Standard of the world for luxury. Nothing else comes close. Kudos GM.
NMOFGM..your right, this is GM country…because were paying for them! Since no one wants to buy their crap!

Sj…
Are you blind or some thing? Do i have to put the same links once again? This car is a redesigned Isignia. There are photos for Christ sake! Haven’t you seen them?

“If you crash your car soon after purchase you are in a bad situation all around.” true BUT:

MY point was about people who plan keep their cars for 10 years or so. . . not about those who crash their cars immediately. I was talking about the long term owner whose plans get shot down in the 3 > 7 year old range. THAT was the subject of the quote, if you chose to look back @ it.

Secondly YOU are the one bringing up the ES. I was just stating my preference in the apples to apples comparison to a Taurus which for the same $ I just happen to prefer.Not that that even matters. Its the consumers choice ,and time will tell who buys what.

This car isn’t even made with American parts, their foreign like from Japan. Japan makes the best car parts and the best cars like dominant king that is Toyota. Toyota wasn’t even here in America for 40 years and beat the number one loser that is GM. Toyota rules with lexus. Left lane news is biased to American owned companies, they would dish on the lexus, but Lexus is lightyears in quality, durability, safety, styling and speed. This “new” Buick hasn’t been out for even a year and will probably fall apart in 5 years unlike that of Lexus.

Lexus has more cars on the road than any other premium brand, and its only been out since 1989! Buicks are junk they can’t stay together for too long, they are bottom of the pack in premium cars, Buick is the reason GM Failed and went to bankruptcy. No surpise their junkyard Buick, go to the grave where you belong because Lexus is your Reaper the very thought of Lexus to Buick fans is like 666.

Be American. Buy Japenese. Buy Toyota. A Global Phenomenon.

I just realized the upcoming GMC XB xompetitor was designed for Pontiac when they were to become a niche brand. GM had progressed too far to simply cancel it.

needmoresoysaucefortoyota.–
how can you live with yourself. your like the anti american of the year. do you fly the flag upside down just to piss people off? sure drive different cars if you like. but to actually put down an american made product just because its american made is just a scum think to do. your like the a al qaeda terrorist of the us market. do you also refuse to stand up at ball games or spit on veterans? is timothy mcvay your leader?

I for one think the new LaCrosse is a great looking car – inside and out.

That said… speaking of resale values – consider the following. Let’s say that you paid either $40,000 for a Lexus or $35,000 for a Buick. And then lets say that 5 years from now – the Lexus is worth 50% of what you paid for it and the Buick is worth 40%. The Lexus – 5 years from now – is worth $20,000. The Buick – 5 years from now – is worth $14,000. Sounds like the Buick is a MUCH bigger ‘loser’. But what have you ACTUALLY lost? With the Lexus – you lost $20,000. With the Buick – you lost $21,000. Not as big a difference as some of you might think. I certainly wouldn’t let $1,000 stand between me and getting a car I liked best. Would you?! Craig!! )

hmm… looks decent so far…

WTF IS WITH ALL THE NEED MORE ____ FOR ______ PEOPLE???????? JUST SHUT UP!! YOU’RE NOT HELPING!!

Anyways.. Need More KY for GM makes normal comments. —–

Back to the discussion

Leftlane, why do you allow some of these clowns to continue to pollute the forums?????

If you make them with the same equipment, the LaCrosse is $2500 less
Most would rather have the Lexus
And sales in recent months still bears that out
DrFill

What most are forgetting is that, yes, Buick is aiming for a younger age demographic, but that does not mean that older customers will not buy these cars anymore. Example would be, if a brand had an age demographic between 60 and 90, then lowered it to 30 and 70, that does not mean that 80 years old and up will not touch that brand’s cars anymore.

Here is a waking point. Everyone uses fake wood. It’s a cheaper alternative and looks just as nice with gloss and a plastic seal. The chrome hood vents look good to. You can barely notice them. It is just wrong that people will sit at their computers and pick on a detail as small as hood vents.

GM is not rebadging Opel. Opel just plays a major role on influence in design. Yes, some development is done by Opel, but a majority of it is done here. Opel is great at creating chassis so GM is being smart by letting them do that. GM does own Opel, so Opel is a part of GM. The LaCrosse’s interior was done in China, its chassis was done in Europe, and its exterior and major development were done here. Not to mention is made here by Americans. What GM did was global development. They save money and we get a taste of many different cultures through car designs. Many people on here are confusing the Epsilon platform with the Delta and Alpha platform and the fact is, this car is based off the long wheelbase Epsilon, which had not been used before this car. As for the Alpha and Delta, they were designed here. The Alpha isn’t even out yet, so GM cannot base anything off it. Its called global design and global marketing, not ripping off and rebadging, or going the easy way out.

When i buy a car, i don’t care about residual values and trade in values. What matters to me is style, handling, quality, service, price, and fuel economy numbers. Size is a factor for me to. But i’m not going to buy an Acura TL because it has higher resale value. Buick has been making reliable cars for a long time and the only they were affected by mediocrity in the past was by badge engineering. This model may not have higher resale value, but it certainly has equal and better quality. Quit confusing people and chaging their views with comments such as the ones many have posted on this forum.

Competition wise, it competes with the ES, TL, 300, MKS, high end Avalon models, and that is about it.

In the real world outside this forum there are millions of people who respect American car companies and know what they are talking about. I’m one of them. I do like to come online, as its the fastest way to get news and am easy way to state my opinions. I also take time to make sure my information is correct.

What the NM_F_PEOPLE are doing is making up lies just to make people angry. Those are not their real beliefs, and in fact, could be the complete opposite. They feed off your anger, so if you don’t comment to their immature and childish remarks, then they will realize that no one cares, become bored, and leave.

Only a few people who comment on this forum actually have sense and realize the truth. Many just put lies down and hope people will follow them. Many people put lies down just to anger people. Lets stop with the childish acts and bring these conversations up to a mature level. I come on this site to state my opinions, not to aruge with idiots who are trying to make me mad on purpose. Get a life to those who have nothing better to do. Some people are just so caught up in the smallest thing and don’t let them go.

The government motors thing became old a long time ago. GM would have died, and the economy would have collapsed. GM employs nearly 245,000 people. That is a crap load of jobs. That would cause unemployment to shoot up and the country would fail. We would become 100% reliable on other countries and America as we know it would be over. America is much different today than when it started out. This country isn’t even pure anymore. There is nothing to be proud of. What is going on in our country is dispicable and i can see why GM has such a hard time. Disagreements, wars, corruption, violence, and invasion are ruining this world. Nothing is pure and simple anymore. No one can even survive.

Lets all just stop the ingorance and give respect where its needed. I give equal praise to all automakers, so it burns me to see people bashing other car companies. Everyone is so biased torwards one specific thing and carries it around corrupting others until the day they die.

Give respect where it is needed.

-iluvamcars

SJ79 the Taurus is Light years ahead in a number of Technology areas over its Buick Rival. I see plenty of New Taurus on the Road 8 so far VS 2 on the Buick.

Just another product tax pay paid piece of junk.

sj79, I still think GM basically did nothing to some of the development, but at least perhaps people under 65 might consider this car.

And on another though, why don’t we just all start posting under different “Need More Oil for X?” id’s?

iluvamcars,
what are you taking anyway? Oh I know… Patriotism. Top hallucinogen.

exterior–> lights, bumpers, door covers, mirrors. The grill is redisigned but even the shaoe of it is the same as the insignia. Good job then on the exterior.

interior–> let the picure speak for itself: http://carwallpaper.pk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/opel-insignia-36.jpg Even the steering whell is the same. The air vents are in the same place, the navi screen, all the switces, and the central consoles systems, all at the same place. Why? Because IT IS THE SAME DAMN CAR with minor SKIN CHANGES.

About the rest of the developement you say it was done in the states… The only thing that’s left is the suspention. Now, don’t get me wrong, but if Buick could build that, where did all the brevious crap came from? Opel on the other hand has many examples of properly set up done at it’s own cars. What is obvious, is obvious…

You can be proud if you want for a redesign and consider the Germans work, a global work, but… Not all of us come from the home of the brave.

“Are you blind or some thing? Do i have to put the same links once again? This car is a redesigned Isignia. There are photos for Christ sake! Haven’t you seen them?”

Are you slow? The insignia has a shorter wheelbase, shorter length and totally different styling. I would love for you to post a link of the Insignia next to the Lacrosse. The REGAL is the Buick version of the Insignia. THAT IS A DIFFERENT CAR THAT IS SOLD IN CHIINA. What part is confusing here?

“If you make them with the same equipment, the LaCrosse is $2500 less
Most would rather have the Lexus
And sales in recent months still bears that out”

Wrong as ususal. IL compared the two cars an the Lacrosse had more equipment and was $4500 less than the Lexus. In additon, the Lacrosse has only been on sale since July and was only 700 units short of the well established ES350. By the end of the year I bet the Lacrosse will be comparable to the ES.

I challenge you to show a direct comparison between identically equipped cars that shows the Lexus costing ONLY $2500 more.

2nd mot commented thread? LMAO

“SJ79 the Taurus is Light years ahead in a number of Technology areas over its Buick Rival. I see plenty of New Taurus on the Road 8 so far VS 2 on the Buick.”

Why not provide some proof? Oh that’s right you have none. The Buick has HUD and adaptive suspension which are not on the Taurus. The Taurus offers SYNC and radar cruise control which are not on the Buick. Both have heated/cooled seats, HIDS, memory, large wheels, navigation, 6 speed automatics, etc. You are incorrect.

“interior–> let the picure speak for itself: http://carwallpaper.pk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/opel-insignia-36.jpg Even the steering whell is the same. The air vents are in the same place, the navi screen, all the switces, and the central consoles systems, all at the same place. Why? Because IT IS THE SAME DAMN CAR with minor SKIN CHANGES.”

The two cars do not have the same interior or exterior or length or engines. Other than that, they are the same genius.

Buick designed the exterior and did final development in the US. Europe tuned the ride and handling ONLY. Get over it.

somegeek:

I clicked on that link. The steering wheel, vents, center stack controls, shifter, gauges and console in the Insignia are ALL different from the Lacrosse. You are right though, the Lacrosse is a rebadged OPel. I don’t know we all missed that.

“sj79, I still think GM basically did nothing to some of the development, but at least perhaps people under 65 might consider this car.”

Other than design the exterior and all the electronics and systems you are right about GMNA doing NO work on the car. Your opinion is your opinion, but the facts cannot be changed. China did the interior design.

Iluvcars:

I guess the people criticizing the Lacrosse for fake wood didn’t notice that Acura and the Genesis use fake wood as well. Acura only has real wood available in one vehicle and that is the slow selling RL. Infiniti just started using real wood a few years ago because older models like the I35 had faux wood. The Avalon and Taurus also use faux wood.

“I clicked on that link. The steering wheel, vents, center stack controls, shifter, gauges and console in the Insignia are ALL different from the Lacrosse.”
Of course they’re different… They are slightly redesigned… Maybe the gap on the lower part of the steering wheel of the Buick is to fit the tastes of the chinese market. What an inspired modification! I realy can’t recognise Opel’s steering wheel any more… Either the same buttons on it, on the extact same spot.
Isn’t that the definition of skin changes, Sj?

somegeek:

My your definition the Tk is an Accord with “skin changes”. What is your point here? You acknowledge the cars are different but act like Buick should be ashamed that the car shares a platform with the Insignia. How is that something to be worried about? The Insignia has won awards in Europe so the Lacrose benefits from sharing some components. You said the interiors were basically the same and they are not at all. Sorry, when the steering wheel, dash, vents, gauges, center console, shifter, door panels, seats, etc. are different you cannot say the Buick represents minor changes relative to the Opel. They have COMPLETLEY different interiors. They dont even share the same version of the platform because the Buick has a 111″ wheelbase and 7″ of additional length.

I made a comment that Lacross is a successfull redesign. Most argue that perception. A discussion followed, were everyone said it’s opinion. Still i can’t accept thet their interiors are completely different. Different is Audi’s interior compared to Bmw’s.
I guess it is a matter of what you call redesign and what i mean. For you it is different enough from the Insignia to be another model, for me it’s a version of Opel’s sedan…

Opel is owned by GM. Enough said. There is no such thing as an “Opel” design that is independent of GM. The platform is a GM platform, not an Opel platform.

Opel is not bunkrupt. You’re right, enough said.

How the hell is a TL an Accord w/ skin changes??

Look at this: http://www.leftlanenews.com/cars/image_popup/newgallerycars.php?model_name=2010%20Acura%20TL%20(FWD,%20SH-AWD)&model_id=9&model_type=chrome&defimage=http%3A%2F%2Fphotos.leftlanenews.com%2Fphotos%2Fcars%2Fimageresizeronfly%2FphpThumb.php%3Fsrc%3D%2Fphotos%2Fcars%2Facura%2F09-acura-tl-6.jpg

and this :http://www.leftlanenews.com/cars/image_popup/newgallerycars.php?model_name=2010%20Honda%20Accord%20Sdn&model_id=19979&model_type=chrome&defimage=http%3A%2F%2Fphotos.leftlanenews.com%2Fphotos%2Fcars%2Fimageresizeronfly%2FphpThumb.php%3Fsrc%3D%2Fphotos%2Fcars%2Fhonda%2Fhonda-accord-sedan-34.jpg

The TL is also longer and wider.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/cars/image_popup/newgallerycars.php?model_name=2010%20Honda%20Accord%20Sdn&model_id=19979&model_type=chrome&defimage=http%3A%2F%2Fphotos.leftlanenews.com%2Fphotos%2Fcars%2Fimageresizeronfly%2FphpThumb.php%3Fsrc%3D%2Fphotos%2Fcars%2Fhonda%2Fhonda-accord-sedan-34.jpg

Sorry, the other link didnt work.

To be honest they share the same interior…

Not excactly the same you know what i mean…

Well when it comes to Performance you can’t touch the Taurus SHO with this Lethargic Buick Boat Besides even the CTS-V cripples itself with an EPA fuel economy ratings of 12 m.p.g. in the city and 18 m.p.g. on the highway VS A Taurus SHO with an EPA OF 17 City and / 25 MPG HWY not only better performance than either GM offering thanks to AWD that neither GM product features but the Ford Tauris SHO does along with Advanced Trac Traction Control. So while your Stuck in the Snow and busy using ON STAR To Call for a FORD Tow Truck to haul your Poorly designed GM car then maybe you’ll consider a Ford or Lincoln Product instead! Oh Yeah the List Does go on of what Buick does’nt have like AWD, AutoSensing Rain Wipers, Auto Sensing Light Adapative Headlights, and Park assist a feature now in the Lincoln soon to be in Taurus. Hmmm I guess the Taurus is alot smarter than Cadillac much less Buick.

bankruptcy09–
does the name include your bankruptcy of knowledge? well, the majority of people on this blog believe so.

Is it just me or is GM and Ford actually stepping it up a notch?

THis will be the car of the year and the final nail in the Lexus coffin. Toyota will be barely hanging on by a string come the next century, victims of the American Revolution. Everyone would rather drive an American vehicle made by General Motors, not some POS import that constantly breaks down and ends up in the scrapyard by the time the warranty expires.

Fact is a GM vehicle will last many hundreds of thousands of miles and never have a single problem. That’s the difference between a stellar brand known for the the greatest quality and relibility in the business and a sh1tty import wannabe that does nothing but screw their customers out of thier hard earned money and loyalty to the US of A. Once the stupid media wakes up and gives GM the credit where it’s due instead of kissing the asses of these sh1tty, scumbag focks in other Countries, the final nail will be in the imports coffins.

Americans have chosen and General Motors is our brand. this is GM Country. An American Revolution

^^ The next century?? wtf?

SJ79 Um besides the Cross Traffic and Collison Alert, Sirus Travel Link and Radio, and Microsoft Intelligent Sync System, Air Condition and Heated Seats, The Taurus Features Radar Adaptive Cruise Control, and Multi Contour and Massaging Motion Front Driver and Passenger Seats, Blind Spot Info, Push Button Start, Securi Code Keyless Entry, Twin Force-EcoBoost- V8Power/with the Thrist of a V6 very Smart, and 20 In Rims !! Oh Yeah all you got are 16 inch. your Buick is kind of a lame duck in comparison.

Bankruptcy09 – I am not too sure about this but most people cross shopping Lexus, Acura, Infiniti and Buick, would not normally cross shop a Ford Taurus. No offence to the Taurus as it is a very nice car, but it is in a different market than the Buick. Buick is affordable luxury. The Taurus is a family, if you go to the SHO it is a sport sedan.

As for somegreek, most cars designed by the same company will have similar interiors. Your comment about Opel not being bankrupt, they may not have gone through Bankruptcy protection but that is because their parent company GM is selling the off to Magna and some company in Russia. SJ79 is correct, the Regal which has been announced as coming to NA is based on the Opal Insignia, the Lacrosse is a brand new design based on the Epsilon II platform and is a bigger vehicle than the Insignia. The interior was also designed in China to appeal to the buyers there, and they did a great job on it.

Regal and Insignia are both Epsilon II

Hey this is the most commented story. Pretty amazing a Buick review (very positive one at that) gets so many comments. Lets keep it going!

Will it be the car of the year?

per the latest reports the LaCrosse is seeing “explosive” growth in China at introduction. Sales are up 3x what they were a year ago.

How does this work with the new Regal?

NMOFGM like big juicy 8========D

I just test drove this car the other day, and I was quite surprised by it. Smooth, comfortable, roomy. It lacked the “Fun to drive” feeling though. The Lincoln MKZ had that edge on the Buick. None the less, a very well put together car.