Hey this is the most commented story. Pretty amazing a Buick review (very positive one at that) gets so many comments. Lets keep it going!

As for somegreek, most cars designed by the same company will have similar interiors. Your comment about Opel not being bankrupt, they may not have gone through Bankruptcy protection but that is because their parent company GM is selling the off to Magna and some company in Russia. SJ79 is correct, the Regal which has been announced as coming to NA is based on the Opal Insignia, the Lacrosse is a brand new design based on the Epsilon II platform and is a bigger vehicle than the Insignia. The interior was also designed in China to appeal to the buyers there, and they did a great job on it.

Fact is a GM vehicle will last many hundreds of thousands of miles and never have a single problem. That’s the difference between a stellar brand known for the the greatest quality and relibility in the business and a sh1tty import wannabe that does nothing but screw their customers out of thier hard earned money and loyalty to the US of A. Once the stupid media wakes up and gives GM the credit where it’s due instead of kissing the asses of these sh1tty, scumbag focks in other Countries, the final nail will be in the imports coffins.

Americans have chosen and General Motors is our brand. this is GM Country. An American Revolution

Sorry, the other link didnt work.

Look at this: http://www.leftlanenews.com/cars/image_popup/newgallerycars.php?model_name=2010%20Acura%20TL%20(FWD,%20SH-AWD)&model_id=9&model_type=chrome&defimage=http%3A%2F%2Fphotos.leftlanenews.com%2Fphotos%2Fcars%2Fimageresizeronfly%2FphpThumb.php%3Fsrc%3D%2Fphotos%2Fcars%2Facura%2F09-acura-tl-6.jpg

and this :http://www.leftlanenews.com/cars/image_popup/newgallerycars.php?model_name=2010%20Honda%20Accord%20Sdn&model_id=19979&model_type=chrome&defimage=http%3A%2F%2Fphotos.leftlanenews.com%2Fphotos%2Fcars%2Fimageresizeronfly%2FphpThumb.php%3Fsrc%3D%2Fphotos%2Fcars%2Fhonda%2Fhonda-accord-sedan-34.jpg

The TL is also longer and wider.

My your definition the Tk is an Accord with “skin changes”. What is your point here? You acknowledge the cars are different but act like Buick should be ashamed that the car shares a platform with the Insignia. How is that something to be worried about? The Insignia has won awards in Europe so the Lacrose benefits from sharing some components. You said the interiors were basically the same and they are not at all. Sorry, when the steering wheel, dash, vents, gauges, center console, shifter, door panels, seats, etc. are different you cannot say the Buick represents minor changes relative to the Opel. They have COMPLETLEY different interiors. They dont even share the same version of the platform because the Buick has a 111″ wheelbase and 7″ of additional length.

I clicked on that link. The steering wheel, vents, center stack controls, shifter, gauges and console in the Insignia are ALL different from the Lacrosse. You are right though, the Lacrosse is a rebadged OPel. I don’t know we all missed that.

“sj79, I still think GM basically did nothing to some of the development, but at least perhaps people under 65 might consider this car.”

Other than design the exterior and all the electronics and systems you are right about GMNA doing NO work on the car. Your opinion is your opinion, but the facts cannot be changed. China did the interior design.

Iluvcars:

I guess the people criticizing the Lacrosse for fake wood didn’t notice that Acura and the Genesis use fake wood as well. Acura only has real wood available in one vehicle and that is the slow selling RL. Infiniti just started using real wood a few years ago because older models like the I35 had faux wood. The Avalon and Taurus also use faux wood.

Why not provide some proof? Oh that’s right you have none. The Buick has HUD and adaptive suspension which are not on the Taurus. The Taurus offers SYNC and radar cruise control which are not on the Buick. Both have heated/cooled seats, HIDS, memory, large wheels, navigation, 6 speed automatics, etc. You are incorrect.

“interior–> let the picure speak for itself: http://carwallpaper.pk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/opel-insignia-36.jpg Even the steering whell is the same. The air vents are in the same place, the navi screen, all the switces, and the central consoles systems, all at the same place. Why? Because IT IS THE SAME DAMN CAR with minor SKIN CHANGES.”

The two cars do not have the same interior or exterior or length or engines. Other than that, they are the same genius.

Buick designed the exterior and did final development in the US. Europe tuned the ride and handling ONLY. Get over it.

Wrong as ususal. IL compared the two cars an the Lacrosse had more equipment and was $4500 less than the Lexus. In additon, the Lacrosse has only been on sale since July and was only 700 units short of the well established ES350. By the end of the year I bet the Lacrosse will be comparable to the ES.

I challenge you to show a direct comparison between identically equipped cars that shows the Lexus costing ONLY $2500 more.

Are you slow? The insignia has a shorter wheelbase, shorter length and totally different styling. I would love for you to post a link of the Insignia next to the Lacrosse. The REGAL is the Buick version of the Insignia. THAT IS A DIFFERENT CAR THAT IS SOLD IN CHIINA. What part is confusing here?

exterior–> lights, bumpers, door covers, mirrors. The grill is redisigned but even the shaoe of it is the same as the insignia. Good job then on the exterior.

interior–> let the picure speak for itself: http://carwallpaper.pk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/opel-insignia-36.jpg Even the steering whell is the same. The air vents are in the same place, the navi screen, all the switces, and the central consoles systems, all at the same place. Why? Because IT IS THE SAME DAMN CAR with minor SKIN CHANGES.

About the rest of the developement you say it was done in the states… The only thing that’s left is the suspention. Now, don’t get me wrong, but if Buick could build that, where did all the brevious crap came from? Opel on the other hand has many examples of properly set up done at it’s own cars. What is obvious, is obvious…

You can be proud if you want for a redesign and consider the Germans work, a global work, but… Not all of us come from the home of the brave.

And on another though, why don’t we just all start posting under different “Need More Oil for X?” id’s?

Here is a waking point. Everyone uses fake wood. It’s a cheaper alternative and looks just as nice with gloss and a plastic seal. The chrome hood vents look good to. You can barely notice them. It is just wrong that people will sit at their computers and pick on a detail as small as hood vents.

GM is not rebadging Opel. Opel just plays a major role on influence in design. Yes, some development is done by Opel, but a majority of it is done here. Opel is great at creating chassis so GM is being smart by letting them do that. GM does own Opel, so Opel is a part of GM. The LaCrosse’s interior was done in China, its chassis was done in Europe, and its exterior and major development were done here. Not to mention is made here by Americans. What GM did was global development. They save money and we get a taste of many different cultures through car designs. Many people on here are confusing the Epsilon platform with the Delta and Alpha platform and the fact is, this car is based off the long wheelbase Epsilon, which had not been used before this car. As for the Alpha and Delta, they were designed here. The Alpha isn’t even out yet, so GM cannot base anything off it. Its called global design and global marketing, not ripping off and rebadging, or going the easy way out.

When i buy a car, i don’t care about residual values and trade in values. What matters to me is style, handling, quality, service, price, and fuel economy numbers. Size is a factor for me to. But i’m not going to buy an Acura TL because it has higher resale value. Buick has been making reliable cars for a long time and the only they were affected by mediocrity in the past was by badge engineering. This model may not have higher resale value, but it certainly has equal and better quality. Quit confusing people and chaging their views with comments such as the ones many have posted on this forum.

Competition wise, it competes with the ES, TL, 300, MKS, high end Avalon models, and that is about it.

In the real world outside this forum there are millions of people who respect American car companies and know what they are talking about. I’m one of them. I do like to come online, as its the fastest way to get news and am easy way to state my opinions. I also take time to make sure my information is correct.

What the NM_F_PEOPLE are doing is making up lies just to make people angry. Those are not their real beliefs, and in fact, could be the complete opposite. They feed off your anger, so if you don’t comment to their immature and childish remarks, then they will realize that no one cares, become bored, and leave.

Only a few people who comment on this forum actually have sense and realize the truth. Many just put lies down and hope people will follow them. Many people put lies down just to anger people. Lets stop with the childish acts and bring these conversations up to a mature level. I come on this site to state my opinions, not to aruge with idiots who are trying to make me mad on purpose. Get a life to those who have nothing better to do. Some people are just so caught up in the smallest thing and don’t let them go.

The government motors thing became old a long time ago. GM would have died, and the economy would have collapsed. GM employs nearly 245,000 people. That is a crap load of jobs. That would cause unemployment to shoot up and the country would fail. We would become 100% reliable on other countries and America as we know it would be over. America is much different today than when it started out. This country isn’t even pure anymore. There is nothing to be proud of. What is going on in our country is dispicable and i can see why GM has such a hard time. Disagreements, wars, corruption, violence, and invasion are ruining this world. Nothing is pure and simple anymore. No one can even survive.

Lets all just stop the ingorance and give respect where its needed. I give equal praise to all automakers, so it burns me to see people bashing other car companies. Everyone is so biased torwards one specific thing and carries it around corrupting others until the day they die.

Give respect where it is needed.

-iluvamcars

Anyways.. Need More KY for GM makes normal comments. —–

Back to the discussion

That said… speaking of resale values – consider the following. Let’s say that you paid either $40,000 for a Lexus or $35,000 for a Buick. And then lets say that 5 years from now – the Lexus is worth 50% of what you paid for it and the Buick is worth 40%. The Lexus – 5 years from now – is worth $20,000. The Buick – 5 years from now – is worth $14,000. Sounds like the Buick is a MUCH bigger ‘loser’. But what have you ACTUALLY lost? With the Lexus – you lost $20,000. With the Buick – you lost $21,000. Not as big a difference as some of you might think. I certainly wouldn’t let $1,000 stand between me and getting a car I liked best. Would you?! Craig!! )

Lexus has more cars on the road than any other premium brand, and its only been out since 1989! Buicks are junk they can’t stay together for too long, they are bottom of the pack in premium cars, Buick is the reason GM Failed and went to bankruptcy. No surpise their junkyard Buick, go to the grave where you belong because Lexus is your Reaper the very thought of Lexus to Buick fans is like 666.

Be American. Buy Japenese. Buy Toyota. A Global Phenomenon.

MY point was about people who plan keep their cars for 10 years or so. . . not about those who crash their cars immediately. I was talking about the long term owner whose plans get shot down in the 3 > 7 year old range. THAT was the subject of the quote, if you chose to look back @ it.

Secondly YOU are the one bringing up the ES. I was just stating my preference in the apples to apples comparison to a Taurus which for the same $ I just happen to prefer.Not that that even matters. Its the consumers choice ,and time will tell who buys what.

“OK” compared to what? You are holding it to some mythical standard that your precious imports don’t even acheive. It looks better than the ES, costs less than the ES, has more rear seat room, has more features and matches the ES on warranty and build quality. How is that an “OK” car?

I got your point about residual value, that is hardly a major reason to make a car choice. If you crash your car soon after purchase you are in a bad situation all around. I’m not going to buy an inferior, more expensive car just to get slightly higher residual value. In additio, you have no info about residual for this car so I don’t see why you are harping on that.

VR6:

I answered all your questions and corrected you a few times. The Buick regal comes next year and it will be a nice car- its essentially the Opel Insignia.