Comments on: Buick: “The new class of world class” http://www.leftlanenews.com/buick-the-new-class-of-world-class.html Car news, reviews, and specs for the auto-industry Sun, 21 Mar 2010 08:29:16 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: status http://www.leftlanenews.com/buick-the-new-class-of-world-class.html/comment-page-2#comment-489003 status Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:59:19 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=21307#comment-489003 Need More Oil For GM is probably one of the smartest people on this site. The guy just posts the same stuff over and over and manages to get 75% of your panties all into a wad. But you fall for it every time. The guy obviously hates General Motors more than anyone here. Am I missing something? I know I don't post a lot, but I read the articles every day... Is it not obvious to you? Sure it's good fun to argue with someone who's pretending to have the mental capacity of a 5 year old once or twice, but after all this time I can't believe people are still arguing with this guy! But anyway, (insert nursing home/geriatric/old people joke here) Buick blows. Need More Oil For GM is probably one of the smartest people on this site. The guy just posts the same stuff over and over and manages to get 75% of your panties all into a wad. But you fall for it every time. The guy obviously hates General Motors more than anyone here.

Am I missing something? I know I don’t post a lot, but I read the articles every day… Is it not obvious to you? Sure it’s good fun to argue with someone who’s pretending to have the mental capacity of a 5 year old once or twice, but after all this time I can’t believe people are still arguing with this guy!

But anyway, (insert nursing home/geriatric/old people joke here) Buick blows.

]]> By: injunraiv http://www.leftlanenews.com/buick-the-new-class-of-world-class.html/comment-page-2#comment-486955 injunraiv Mon, 21 Sep 2009 21:00:02 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=21307#comment-486955 I guess that cinches it - 1115 has to be dead. No way he'd let this article pass without comment... Wouldn't it be ironic if it was the air bag schrapnel that did him in? I guess that cinches it – 1115 has to be dead. No way he’d let this article pass without comment… Wouldn’t it be ironic if it was the air bag schrapnel that did him in?

]]> By: toledojake http://www.leftlanenews.com/buick-the-new-class-of-world-class.html/comment-page-2#comment-486760 toledojake Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:05:44 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=21307#comment-486760 Companies often use the prestige brands for comparison, without being close rivals in reality. Over the years there have always been the "poor mans Mercedes" or BMW. The Buick will sell for less, despite what the sticker is and it should represent a pretty good value in these days of a 35,000.00 Taurus. I'm sure Lincoln is using Lexus for comparison for their gussied up Focus and do not compare it to a Buick or Chrysler. Imperials for years had a niche but never dethroned Cadillac or Mercedes, etc. but they obviously Chrysler made some money on them over a New Yorker and it satisfied the Chrysler faithful. The new GM offerings are certainly not buisness as ususal, the Malibu has been well recieved. The models like the Enclave and Acadia are more than different grills like the past. Common engines, transmissions and platforms are across the board in the auto industry. GM needed to go bankrupt to hopefully see the old buisness model didn't work anymore. I would never consider a Lexus even thought it is a great car. My money needs to work harder for me but I would still like a car that is less pedestrian than a Cobalt. The LaCrosse has it's place in the GM fold. People talk about it being an old mans car but so was Cadillac until the CTS hit the road and it certainly has revitalized Cadillac even though many will bash it. People will vote with sales, the CTS and Malibus are common sights on the roads. Lets hope for auto industry that people do want to buy American auto's and not just Japanese, Korean and European cars. Companies often use the prestige brands for comparison, without being close rivals in reality. Over the years there have always been the “poor mans Mercedes” or BMW. The Buick will sell for less, despite what the sticker is and it should represent a pretty good value in these days of a 35,000.00 Taurus. I’m sure Lincoln is using Lexus for comparison for their gussied up Focus and do not compare it to a Buick or Chrysler. Imperials for years had a niche but never dethroned Cadillac or Mercedes, etc. but they obviously Chrysler made some money on them over a New Yorker and it satisfied the Chrysler faithful. The new GM offerings are certainly not buisness as ususal, the Malibu has been well recieved. The models like the Enclave and Acadia are more than different grills like the past. Common engines, transmissions and platforms are across the board in the auto industry. GM needed to go bankrupt to hopefully see the old buisness model didn’t work anymore. I would never consider a Lexus even thought it is a great car. My money needs to work harder for me but I would still like a car that is less pedestrian than a Cobalt. The LaCrosse has it’s place in the GM fold. People talk about it being an old mans car but so was Cadillac until the CTS hit the road and it certainly has revitalized Cadillac even though many will bash it. People will vote with sales, the CTS and Malibus are common sights on the roads. Lets hope for auto industry that people do want to buy American auto’s and not just Japanese, Korean and European cars.

]]> By: fan http://www.leftlanenews.com/buick-the-new-class-of-world-class.html/comment-page-2#comment-486748 fan Mon, 21 Sep 2009 11:32:09 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=21307#comment-486748 i cant judge the quality of the car pictured, but as for deisgns... marketing at GM must not have had THIS car in mind when they said the design was class-leading or whatever... actually, i find it amazing how the managed to ruin the decent design of opels insignia into this meaningless rebadge face... i cant judge the quality of the car pictured, but as for deisgns… marketing at GM must not have had THIS car in mind when they said the design was class-leading or whatever… actually, i find it amazing how the managed to ruin the decent design of opels insignia into this meaningless rebadge face…

]]> By: idrinorbarsaku http://www.leftlanenews.com/buick-the-new-class-of-world-class.html/comment-page-2#comment-486651 idrinorbarsaku Sat, 19 Sep 2009 17:23:13 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=21307#comment-486651 CanadaCraig, I agree with you!... except for the first sentence CanadaCraig,
I agree with you!… except for the first sentence

]]> By: CanadaCraig http://www.leftlanenews.com/buick-the-new-class-of-world-class.html/comment-page-2#comment-486615 CanadaCraig Sat, 19 Sep 2009 11:00:45 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=21307#comment-486615 I think it's a great looking car. Maybe it's time that 'we' stopped living in the past and judged all NEW cars for what THEY are. The new LaCrosse [Allure in Canada] is the best Buick in decades. I'd say that's rather promising. I sure wouldn't be be embarrassed to own one. My ONLY concern is resale value - but in time - that will improve too. I think it’s a great looking car. Maybe it’s time that ‘we’ stopped living in the past and judged all NEW cars for what THEY are. The new LaCrosse [Allure in Canada] is the best Buick in decades. I’d say that’s rather promising. I sure wouldn’t be be embarrassed to own one. My ONLY concern is resale value – but in time – that will improve too.

]]> By: DrFill http://www.leftlanenews.com/buick-the-new-class-of-world-class.html/comment-page-2#comment-486576 DrFill Sat, 19 Sep 2009 01:36:22 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=21307#comment-486576 Except Toyota dealers sell their cars DrFill Except Toyota dealers sell their cars
DrFill

]]> By: alsvw http://www.leftlanenews.com/buick-the-new-class-of-world-class.html/comment-page-2#comment-486552 alsvw Sat, 19 Sep 2009 00:05:36 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=21307#comment-486552 i just drove the lacrosse earlier today. outstanding car, had a quieter ride over the lincoln mkz and a sportier ride over the lexus es. very nice car, but the joke a saleman reminded me of the local lexus dealer. he wanted me look at the lucerne and knew very liitle about the lacrosse. he was trying to sell me something they had a large supply of while i had no intrest in the old school lucerne. the lacrosse seems to be in the big leagues while the dealers are like a toyota or mazda brands. i just drove the lacrosse earlier today. outstanding car, had a quieter ride over the lincoln mkz and a sportier ride over the lexus es. very nice car, but the joke a saleman reminded me of the local lexus dealer. he wanted me look at the lucerne and knew very liitle about the lacrosse. he was trying to sell me something they had a large supply of while i had no intrest in the old school lucerne.
the lacrosse seems to be in the big leagues while the dealers are like a toyota or mazda brands.

]]> By: aggie531 http://www.leftlanenews.com/buick-the-new-class-of-world-class.html/comment-page-2#comment-486530 aggie531 Fri, 18 Sep 2009 22:01:08 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=21307#comment-486530 If you have to pay extra for leather seats, I dont call it a luxury car. nmofgm If ''Buick is the king of Luxury'' then what is Cadillac? The queen? or servant? ___________________________________________________________ I just sat in an enclave and was really disappointed. The plastic was hard in about 80% of spaces. I could even see cracks between the panels where they come together. 3rd row seat is cramped and claustrophobic probably for even 12-year-olds. The tracks where the rear seats slid back and forth were exposed and ugly. Not to mention that if you have kids, all kinds of gunk will get stuck in there. And the seats were really, really stiff. However --- The ride quality was nice, no rattles, and minimal road noise. Still, I think in my opinion that my 01 MDX is nicer. _____________________________________________________________________________ ''That new Lacrosse will not only trounce Audi A4 and A6 into the ground in sales, performance, class and quality, it isn’t a total embarrassment to own like a POS from Germany'' -- nmofgm The A6? What?? Gee what has this world come to. Pretty soon (according to nmofgm) Chevrolet Cobalt LSes will be on par with a bentley If you have to pay extra for leather seats, I dont call it a luxury car.

nmofgm

If ”Buick is the king of Luxury” then what is Cadillac? The queen? or servant?

___________________________________________________________

I just sat in an enclave and was really disappointed. The plastic was hard in about 80% of spaces. I could even see cracks between the panels where they come together. 3rd row seat is cramped and claustrophobic probably for even 12-year-olds. The tracks where the rear seats slid back and forth were exposed and ugly. Not to mention that if you have kids, all kinds of gunk will get stuck in there. And the seats were really, really stiff.

However —

The ride quality was nice, no rattles, and minimal road noise.

Still, I think in my opinion that my 01 MDX is nicer.

_____________________________________________________________________________

”That new Lacrosse will not only trounce Audi A4 and A6 into the ground in sales, performance, class and quality, it isn’t a total embarrassment to own like a POS from Germany” — nmofgm

The A6? What??

Gee what has this world come to.

Pretty soon (according to nmofgm) Chevrolet Cobalt LSes will be on par with a bentley

]]> By: DrFill http://www.leftlanenews.com/buick-the-new-class-of-world-class.html/comment-page-2#comment-486514 DrFill Fri, 18 Sep 2009 21:27:57 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=21307#comment-486514 BTW, if we are comparing apples to apples The 2010 Lexus ES350 has leather STANDARD (New change mid-gen update) So much for the price advantage for the LaCrosse I had it at $2750, comparably equipped, using a 2009 Lexus ES Now the difference is closer to $1k Factor in Lexus' free scheduled maintenance, better fuel economy, and much better resale, and you will pay MORE for the Buick Nice! DrFill BTW, if we are comparing apples to apples
The 2010 Lexus ES350 has leather STANDARD
(New change mid-gen update)

So much for the price advantage for the LaCrosse
I had it at $2750, comparably equipped, using a 2009 Lexus ES
Now the difference is closer to $1k

Factor in Lexus’ free scheduled maintenance, better fuel economy, and much better resale, and you will pay MORE for the Buick
Nice!
DrFill

]]> By: DrFill http://www.leftlanenews.com/buick-the-new-class-of-world-class.html/comment-page-2#comment-486457 DrFill Fri, 18 Sep 2009 17:55:48 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=21307#comment-486457 Taking one of my old bits, eh? Pretty cool! How about: "Buick, Tiger can do better, but you can't, right? "Buick, for when you've almost arrived, sort of" "Buick, tired of luxury car treatment and luxurious service? Come on in, jerk!" "Buick, thank you sir, may I have another?" "Buick, on the cutting edge of mediocre" "Buick, that money-back thing is still on, right?" "Buick, this is where you get the $1.49 gas, yeah" I actually like this car, but............I can't help it It's too easy! DrFill Taking one of my old bits, eh?
Pretty cool!

How about:
“Buick, Tiger can do better, but you can’t, right?
“Buick, for when you’ve almost arrived, sort of”
“Buick, tired of luxury car treatment and luxurious service? Come on in, jerk!”
“Buick, thank you sir, may I have another?”
“Buick, on the cutting edge of mediocre”
“Buick, that money-back thing is still on, right?”
“Buick, this is where you get the $1.49 gas, yeah”

I actually like this car, but…………I can’t help it
It’s too easy!
DrFill

]]> By: sj79 http://www.leftlanenews.com/buick-the-new-class-of-world-class.html/comment-page-2#comment-486446 sj79 Fri, 18 Sep 2009 17:33:43 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=21307#comment-486446 yo, that was hilarious stuff armstealer! Great material. yo, that was hilarious stuff armstealer! Great material.

]]> By: armstealer http://www.leftlanenews.com/buick-the-new-class-of-world-class.html/comment-page-2#comment-486421 armstealer Fri, 18 Sep 2009 16:34:26 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=21307#comment-486421 "Buick, you already paid for most of it." "Buick, because your mortgage is just too damn expensive." "Buick, well, it's BIGGER than the competition at least." "Buick, now includes one free vote for Obama '12" “Buick, you already paid for most of it.”
“Buick, because your mortgage is just too damn expensive.”
“Buick, well, it’s BIGGER than the competition at least.”
“Buick, now includes one free vote for Obama ‘12″

]]> By: armstealer http://www.leftlanenews.com/buick-the-new-class-of-world-class.html/comment-page-2#comment-486420 armstealer Fri, 18 Sep 2009 16:30:11 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=21307#comment-486420 "Buick; because we didn't think we'd be able to sell it." “Buick; because we didn’t think we’d be able to sell it.”

]]> By: sj79 http://www.leftlanenews.com/buick-the-new-class-of-world-class.html/comment-page-2#comment-486412 sj79 Fri, 18 Sep 2009 16:11:46 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=21307#comment-486412 "I’m pretty sure I said this before, but I’ll say it again. I will wait for a year or two for real reviews. GM is known for having problems with their new remodel year vehicles." Its not just GM. Edmunds has had numerous problems with its long term GT-R and their 370Z busted its transmission and had to be towed. There is myth and there is reality. Oh yeah, they also had a Fit that busted it's reverse gear and had to be towed. Apparently something in the gearbox wasn't bolted in correctly and the part detached. “I’m pretty sure I said this before, but I’ll say it again. I will wait for a year or two for real reviews. GM is known for having problems with their new remodel year vehicles.”

Its not just GM. Edmunds has had numerous problems with its long term GT-R and their 370Z busted its transmission and had to be towed. There is myth and there is reality. Oh yeah, they also had a Fit that busted it’s reverse gear and had to be towed. Apparently something in the gearbox wasn’t bolted in correctly and the part detached.

]]> By: sj79 http://www.leftlanenews.com/buick-the-new-class-of-world-class.html/comment-page-2#comment-486411 sj79 Fri, 18 Sep 2009 16:07:51 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=21307#comment-486411 The people that post 5 paragraph responses to NOFGM are just as ignorant as he is. The nonsense spouted by GM haters is astonishing. YOu people are so poorly informed that its embarrasing. Now we are told that the Japanese are responsible for the quality cars we have today. Who taught the Japanese how to do that after WW2? An American you idiots. The US forced Gm and Ford out of Japan after WW2 to allow the local automakers to get a foothold and Americans taught them how to manufacturer cars in a lean and high quality manner. The ES350 has NEVER come with standard leather seats. "I do have a nit to pick at this car though! When I drove this, a couple of months ago, There were something that felt really nice, and some things that were really really cheap! It’s in the places where you won’t look or touch too often….which, to me, feels like they cut corners." care to name specifics? I drove the car and found NOTHING cheap about the inside. Niether have the professional reviewers. The people that post 5 paragraph responses to NOFGM are just as ignorant as he is. The nonsense spouted by GM haters is astonishing. YOu people are so poorly informed that its embarrasing. Now we are told that the Japanese are responsible for the quality cars we have today. Who taught the Japanese how to do that after WW2? An American you idiots. The US forced Gm and Ford out of Japan after WW2 to allow the local automakers to get a foothold and Americans taught them how to manufacturer cars in a lean and high quality manner.

The ES350 has NEVER come with standard leather seats.

“I do have a nit to pick at this car though! When I drove this, a couple of months ago, There were something that felt really nice, and some things that were really really cheap! It’s in the places where you won’t look or touch too often….which, to me, feels like they cut corners.”

care to name specifics? I drove the car and found NOTHING cheap about the inside. Niether have the professional reviewers.

]]> By: carstuff http://www.leftlanenews.com/buick-the-new-class-of-world-class.html/comment-page-2#comment-486393 carstuff Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:32:49 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=21307#comment-486393 Not sure what you looked at. In looking at Edmunds comparison they also state it has a cloth interior standard. The Lexus website also does not state leather is standard. $2400 sure seems to be a lot of money for heated/cooled seats and a different wood so I would hope it includes a leather upgrade from cloth also. http://www.lexus.com/lexusConfigApp/pub/standardFeatures.do Seating ..................ES 350 LaCrosse Total Seating Capacity 5 5 Front Seat Type bucket bucket Upholstery Type cloth premium leather Not sure what you looked at. In looking at Edmunds comparison they also state it has a cloth interior standard. The Lexus website also does not state leather is standard. $2400 sure seems to be a lot of money for heated/cooled seats and a different wood so I would hope it includes a leather upgrade from cloth also.

http://www.lexus.com/lexusConfigApp/pub/standardFeatures.do

Seating ………………ES 350 LaCrosse
Total Seating Capacity 5 5
Front Seat Type bucket bucket
Upholstery Type cloth premium leather

]]> By: idrinorbarsaku http://www.leftlanenews.com/buick-the-new-class-of-world-class.html/comment-page-2#comment-486391 idrinorbarsaku Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:26:05 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=21307#comment-486391 i forgot, there is no cloth seat manufactured straight from lexus. No dealer orders the car with it. If you want a cloth interior, you have to go to lexus, and have them order one for you....which I think is REALLY dumb! i forgot, there is no cloth seat manufactured straight from lexus. No dealer orders the car with it. If you want a cloth interior, you have to go to lexus, and have them order one for you….which I think is REALLY dumb!

]]> By: idrinorbarsaku http://www.leftlanenews.com/buick-the-new-class-of-world-class.html/comment-page-2#comment-486389 idrinorbarsaku Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:23:25 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=21307#comment-486389 carstuff, you're wrong about the cloth seats on the ES! In the US, this car does not come standard with cloth seats. The 1st package, adds leather to other areas of the interior, and perforates the leather of the seats(for heating and cooling) and door panels. In russia, you can get cloth seats even with the best package! I was there yesterday... carstuff,
you’re wrong about the cloth seats on the ES! In the US, this car does not come standard with cloth seats. The 1st package, adds leather to other areas of the interior, and perforates the leather of the seats(for heating and cooling) and door panels. In russia, you can get cloth seats even with the best package! I was there yesterday…

]]> By: dayhiker http://www.leftlanenews.com/buick-the-new-class-of-world-class.html/comment-page-2#comment-486385 dayhiker Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:00:43 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=21307#comment-486385 Based on NMOFGM's articulate comments, I recently purchased a Cadillac Cimarron. It truly is the pinnacle of luxury that Lexus could never hope to attain. Based on NMOFGM’s articulate comments, I recently purchased a Cadillac Cimarron. It truly is the pinnacle of luxury that Lexus could never hope to attain.

]]> By: carstuff http://www.leftlanenews.com/buick-the-new-class-of-world-class.html/comment-page-2#comment-486383 carstuff Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:57:01 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=21307#comment-486383 alsvw, the base CXS, which is being compared to the ES, does have heated and cooled leather seats as standard at $33k. The ES has cloth seats as standard to keep the base price lower. I doubt you will ever find an ES with cloth, every one will have the $2400 package for a total of $38k. alsvw, the base CXS, which is being compared to the ES, does have heated and cooled leather seats as standard at $33k. The ES has cloth seats as standard to keep the base price lower. I doubt you will ever find an ES with cloth, every one will have the $2400 package for a total of $38k.

]]> By: idrinorbarsaku http://www.leftlanenews.com/buick-the-new-class-of-world-class.html/comment-page-2#comment-486374 idrinorbarsaku Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:14:00 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=21307#comment-486374 I do have a nit to pick at this car though! When I drove this, a couple of months ago, There were something that felt really nice, and some things that were really really cheap! It's in the places where you won't look or touch too often....which, to me, feels like they cut corners. I do have a nit to pick at this car though! When I drove this, a couple of months ago, There were something that felt really nice, and some things that were really really cheap! It’s in the places where you won’t look or touch too often….which, to me, feels like they cut corners.

]]> By: oldraven http://www.leftlanenews.com/buick-the-new-class-of-world-class.html/comment-page-2#comment-486369 oldraven Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:07:03 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=21307#comment-486369 Who let that fake bastard back in here? Who let that fake bastard back in here?

]]> By: idrinorbarsaku http://www.leftlanenews.com/buick-the-new-class-of-world-class.html/comment-page-2#comment-486367 idrinorbarsaku Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:04:39 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=21307#comment-486367 TornadoGTI, I think my passat wants your GTI! I'm pretty sure I said this before, but I'll say it again. I will wait for a year or two for real reviews. GM is known for having problems with their new remodel year vehicles. TornadoGTI,
I think my passat wants your GTI!

I’m pretty sure I said this before, but I’ll say it again. I will wait for a year or two for real reviews. GM is known for having problems with their new remodel year vehicles.

]]> By: alsvw http://www.leftlanenews.com/buick-the-new-class-of-world-class.html/comment-page-2#comment-486349 alsvw Fri, 18 Sep 2009 11:21:59 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=21307#comment-486349 i didn't know that all versions of the lexus/buick es came standard with heat and cool seats. actually it does not. buick has made on hell of a nice car for the money. and it does not look like its younger brothers and sisters. hence, lexus looking like a damn douche camry or avalon. i didn’t know that all versions of the lexus/buick es came standard with heat and cool seats. actually it does not.
buick has made on hell of a nice car for the money. and it does not look like its younger brothers and sisters. hence, lexus looking like a damn douche camry or avalon.

]]> By: carstuff http://www.leftlanenews.com/buick-the-new-class-of-world-class.html/comment-page-2#comment-486348 carstuff Fri, 18 Sep 2009 11:19:06 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=21307#comment-486348 I never said that the Buick LaCrosse CXS will outsell the ES. I do not believe that anybody at GM ever said they will outsell the ES. I think all that has been said is that Buick is after the same psychographics that the lower end of Lexus is getting. Buick is aiming for the mid market buyers that are not after a sports sedan, but a more luxurious ride. And even if Buick hit the mark perfectly, they could only take away 1/2 of the ES sales which is 30,000 units of CXS. If LaCrosse sells a total of 150,000 units this year they will be doing well. Of course this is well below the 300,000 units that the old Century/Regal used to sell. But then again they started at $19,995 and there has not been much price creep since then. I never said that the Buick LaCrosse CXS will outsell the ES. I do not believe that anybody at GM ever said they will outsell the ES.

I think all that has been said is that Buick is after the same psychographics that the lower end of Lexus is getting.

Buick is aiming for the mid market buyers that are not after a sports sedan, but a more luxurious ride.

And even if Buick hit the mark perfectly, they could only take away 1/2 of the ES sales which is 30,000 units of CXS.

If LaCrosse sells a total of 150,000 units this year they will be doing well. Of course this is well below the 300,000 units that the old Century/Regal used to sell. But then again they started at $19,995 and there has not been much price creep since then.

]]> By: SomeGreek http://www.leftlanenews.com/buick-the-new-class-of-world-class.html/comment-page-2#comment-486346 SomeGreek Fri, 18 Sep 2009 11:01:11 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=21307#comment-486346 ml350pc "If Buick is a Chevy with leather, a Lexus is a glorified Toyota (can you say a $40K Camry). " Buick is an Opel with leather. Opel is the Fiat of Germany. They do very good work, but are still the cheapest german brand. "Someone above also referenced LaCrosse’s routes being based in Europe and how that effects trust." No i didn't. Prompting the car as a luxury item (which it isn't) effects trust. The European version is well built with good driving features but not a luxury brand. Tries to be as much A4 as it can for the money. Audi is superior of course. "Let us not forget that Mercedes in Europe is on par with Ford, and in many cases Mercedes in Europe normally end up as Taxi’s (Europe’s Crown Vics)." Ok... (lot's of irony) ml350pc
“If Buick is a Chevy with leather, a Lexus is a glorified Toyota (can you say a $40K Camry). ”
Buick is an Opel with leather. Opel is the Fiat of Germany. They do very good work, but are still the cheapest german brand.

“Someone above also referenced LaCrosse’s routes being based in Europe and how that effects trust.”
No i didn’t. Prompting the car as a luxury item (which it isn’t) effects trust. The European version is well built with good driving features but not a luxury brand. Tries to be as much A4 as it can for the money. Audi is superior of course.

“Let us not forget that Mercedes in Europe is on par with Ford, and in many cases Mercedes in Europe normally end up as Taxi’s (Europe’s Crown Vics).”
Ok… (lot’s of irony)

]]> By: MHW http://www.leftlanenews.com/buick-the-new-class-of-world-class.html/comment-page-2#comment-486333 MHW Fri, 18 Sep 2009 05:56:18 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=21307#comment-486333 I believe it was Edmunds Inside Line that recently had a shootout between the new LaCrosse and the Lexus ES 350. At the end of the test it was the LaCrosse that walked away with 1st place. They admitted to being surprised by just how good the new LaCrosse really is, and continued by saying it's time to change the way you think about Buick. These are guys that are known for not going easy on the domestics. Could it be that Buicks goal of competing with Lexus is not as far fetched as some think? I believe it was Edmunds Inside Line that recently had a shootout between the new LaCrosse and the Lexus ES 350. At the end of the test it was the LaCrosse that walked away with 1st place. They admitted to being surprised by just how good the new LaCrosse really is, and continued by saying it’s time to change the way you think about Buick. These are guys that are known for not going easy on the domestics. Could it be that Buicks goal of competing with Lexus is not as far fetched as some think?

]]> By: DrFill http://www.leftlanenews.com/buick-the-new-class-of-world-class.html/comment-page-2#comment-486319 DrFill Fri, 18 Sep 2009 03:40:51 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=21307#comment-486319 Carstuff A real point! (I Might be in the wrong forum, ok) Lexus ES has sold 60-80k a year for the last 18 years Let's take out the base and AWD LaCrosse sales ($25-30k LaCrosse) Go forward in time 12 months And let's see where it stands When you go back to the future Take the total LaCrosse sales, and divide by 3 (About 1/3 will get the top version) For some reason, I'm not expecting 60k+ sales of the CSX DrFill Carstuff
A real point! (I Might be in the wrong forum, ok)

Lexus ES has sold 60-80k a year for the last 18 years
Let’s take out the base and AWD LaCrosse sales ($25-30k LaCrosse)
Go forward in time 12 months
And let’s see where it stands

When you go back to the future
Take the total LaCrosse sales, and divide by 3
(About 1/3 will get the top version)

For some reason, I’m not expecting 60k+ sales of the CSX
DrFill

]]> By: carstuff http://www.leftlanenews.com/buick-the-new-class-of-world-class.html/comment-page-2#comment-486310 carstuff Fri, 18 Sep 2009 03:05:14 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=21307#comment-486310 But the real measure is not how us idiots throw around our bias's and facts, it is how it sells. And right now Buick cannot build enough of them to meet demand. "Automotive News is reporting that GM may increase production of four new vehicles due to heavy demand. The new-for-2010 Chevy Equinox and Camaro, Cadillac SRX and Buick LaCrosse are reportedly under consideration. " But the real measure is not how us idiots throw around our bias’s and facts, it is how it sells. And right now Buick cannot build enough of them to meet demand.

“Automotive News is reporting that GM may increase production of four new vehicles due to heavy demand. The new-for-2010 Chevy Equinox and Camaro, Cadillac SRX and Buick LaCrosse are reportedly under consideration. “

]]> By: carstuff http://www.leftlanenews.com/buick-the-new-class-of-world-class.html/comment-page-2#comment-486308 carstuff Fri, 18 Sep 2009 03:01:12 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=21307#comment-486308 Again more misinformation due to lack of knowledge. The CXS starts at $33k and comes well equipped with heated and cooled leather seats. The base ES starts at $35k (cloth) and you need to add $2400 to get the same heated and cooled leather seats. So now we are up to a difference of ~5k. This is how Lexus started. Offering upscale features at a much lower price. Again more misinformation due to lack of knowledge.

The CXS starts at $33k and comes well equipped with heated and cooled leather seats. The base ES starts at $35k (cloth) and you need to add $2400 to get the same heated and cooled leather seats. So now we are up to a difference of ~5k.

This is how Lexus started. Offering upscale features at a much lower price.

]]> By: murphy1 http://www.leftlanenews.com/buick-the-new-class-of-world-class.html/comment-page-2#comment-486295 murphy1 Fri, 18 Sep 2009 01:46:28 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=21307#comment-486295 first off, its is a nice looking car. but its nothing earth shattering, and that is the only thing that is going to reinvent buick. dont forget, slogans dont sell cars, perception and reality do. did "this is not your fathers oldsmobile, this is the new generation of olds" help oldsmobile? or how about "pontiac is car". good grief, it was if gm (chevy) was trying its best to kill pontiac. it will take a generation to change buicks perception, and im pretty sure gm doesnt have a generation to wait. admit you were idiots, bring back pontiac and keep buick as a halo car. case closed. first off, its is a nice looking car. but its nothing earth shattering, and that is the only thing that is going to reinvent buick. dont forget, slogans dont sell cars, perception and reality do. did “this is not your fathers oldsmobile, this is the new generation of olds” help oldsmobile? or how about “pontiac is car”. good grief, it was if gm (chevy) was trying its best to kill pontiac. it will take a generation to change buicks perception, and im pretty sure gm doesnt have a generation to wait. admit you were idiots, bring back pontiac and keep buick as a halo car. case closed.

]]> By: Velvet-Hammer http://www.leftlanenews.com/buick-the-new-class-of-world-class.html/comment-page-2#comment-486287 Velvet-Hammer Fri, 18 Sep 2009 01:30:17 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=21307#comment-486287 NMOFGM is right on the money, and his kind of modern thinking will continue to help high gross profit, Detroit Steel con men like me well into retirement. NMOFGM is right on the money, and his kind of modern thinking will continue to help high gross profit, Detroit Steel con men like me well into retirement.

]]> By: alsvw http://www.leftlanenews.com/buick-the-new-class-of-world-class.html/comment-page-2#comment-486277 alsvw Fri, 18 Sep 2009 01:03:06 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=21307#comment-486277 is that a lexus? no, i guess not. it does not look like a camry. is that a lexus?
no, i guess not. it does not look like a camry.

]]> By: ml350pc http://www.leftlanenews.com/buick-the-new-class-of-world-class.html/comment-page-2#comment-486272 ml350pc Fri, 18 Sep 2009 00:51:51 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=21307#comment-486272 A few thoughts after reading some of the above comments. If Buick is a Chevy with leather, a Lexus is a glorified Toyota (can you say a $40K Camry). I have seen the 2010 LaCrosse close up and would prefer it over the Lexus 7 days a week and 2x on Sunday. The Lacrosse is stunning and the Lexus (Camry equivalent) creates as much emotion as a toaster. Someone above also referenced LaCrosse's routes being based in Europe and how that effects trust. Let us not forget that Mercedes in Europe is on par with Ford, and in many cases Mercedes in Europe normally end up as Taxi's (Europe's Crown Vics). As much as I think BMW is overated (I have not read a review on one of their M's without it breaking down) they are the European luxary car. A few thoughts after reading some of the above comments. If Buick is a Chevy with leather, a Lexus is a glorified Toyota (can you say a $40K Camry).

I have seen the 2010 LaCrosse close up and would prefer it over the Lexus 7 days a week and 2x on Sunday. The Lacrosse is stunning and the Lexus (Camry equivalent) creates as much emotion as a toaster.

Someone above also referenced LaCrosse’s routes being based in Europe and how that effects trust. Let us not forget that Mercedes in Europe is on par with Ford, and in many cases Mercedes in Europe normally end up as Taxi’s (Europe’s Crown Vics). As much as I think BMW is overated (I have not read a review on one of their M’s without it breaking down) they are the European luxary car.

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