This will be the hottest car of 2009. Nothing else comes close. Everyone is waitng for this and sales are going to go through the roof.

What is good for General Motors is good for AMerica

Why do the US car industry still producing pushrod engines?

better question is why is anyone still hyped about this car? had someone made you wait for 3 years but pushed teasers in your face every step of the way for anything else a normal person would be pissed off and bored

To burn rubber. Literally, pushrod has tremendous torque.

hottest vaporware ever… this is better than windows 95 back in its day… guess it will be about the same quality that windows ME was, though… or worse

gotta admit tho, as much as i loathe this car, it looks HOT. i wish dodge would have done ebtter with the engines for the challenger becuase i LOVE the way it looks but its a brick and could have used a little more power

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123sub

Why do the US car industry still producing pushrod engines?”

Why not? They make tons of power over a fairly wide range of rpm, they make for a very compact package. They also make plenty of power with fewer parts. What is not to like about them?

Get over your techno snobbery and enjoy this car for what it is.

Torque Rules! And so does the sound of a ‘Merican V8.

Why the music. i wana hear the car

One-wheel peel in a 4000lb 14 second 400hp behemoth FTL.

agreed people!
this isnt meant to be a techno-filled rolling home theater car.

this is an american muscle car!

jesus its built for rubber buring torque.

GET RID OF THE MUSIC LLN!

SloW8. Hi. You misunderstand me. I do not care at all about hi-tech. I have a 34 year old Mazda RX4, and i love Muscle Cars. I do want to own one one day. The new Challenger is fantastic, and i do not care if it have a pushrod engine. I asked the question;”Why this is (almost) a US only type of engine. Is there a particular reason? Some said torque. Is this easier with this type of engine? It was only a question from a RWD, gasolin, Big Block loving me (well, i have a soft spot for rotary engines to)

Did the Camaro’s rear differential goes out after this escapade, like the first generation CTS-V’s whereby GM denied your warranty, rendering LLN unable to complete its review?

123sub, I did misunderstand you. In the US gas has been cheap for a long time compared to the rest of the world. We are able to build large displacement engines and use the displacement to make power. This was not true of other countries that had huge taxes (based on engine size) and expensive fuel. They had to come up with a way to make more power with less displacement. Overhead cams and multiple valves allow for more efficiency and thus, the small engines could make adequate power. The problem with making lots of power with small displacement is a lack of torque. (Since you have a rotary you already know that.) Pushrod engines are simple and cheap and so they have enjoyed a longevity in the US even though they were not practical in other political and economic environments. If we look at automotive history it is a matter of evolution of the design.

PS, I love rotary engines. One of my favorite cars was the FD RX-7. I will own a 5th gen Camaro soon. I love the “outdated” V8. Starting to grow a mullet to go with it.

RaineMan has it right.

One tire fire’s are mega lame and why if I was in the market for a 30k sports car, the Hyundai Genesis Coupe and 370Z would be at the top of my list. LSD FTW!

As good as this car will be for GM, it’s not going to be the hottest car of the year. That will go to the Mustang GT500 since GM decided not to include the Z28 in the lineup. Suckers.

That’s it? that’s all Camaro can do? that is so lame on Camaro.

I actually can think of Genesis Coupe, Nissan 370Z, Porsche probably can do better job then that.

I don’t think Camaro can be Mustang GT’s time on the draft.

NMOFGM – I know you are so proud of this car, but the truth is they cost more then Mustang does and there is no future so far for the Camaro after this production. There was a plane for 2014 Mustang already, and come with the eco – twin turbo engine that has more horsepower then Camaro.

Sorry to let you know that GM is really going down big time, and at this point no one know if GM will go through this year or not. So don’t too depend on GM at this point.

…burn outs. impressive but ineffective in a real race. (withold sig.)

I can’t imagine of a Porsche burning rubber. It doesn’t seem right.

people have been waiting for 3 years for this piece o’****, and for a test drive you gou to a beach cruise and show everybody else some shmuk doin donuts (barely) on someone’s backyard and that’s it??

[Edited by Leftlane staff: Like the rest of the automotive media world, we've promised GM that we won't share our driving impressions of the Camaro until Friday at 6pm Eastern. Check back then for our review]

saw a camaro the other day, and i,

**** in my pants

@No More Oil For Toyota, its safe for me to say you are the biggest tool on LLN

That’s what it’s all about. Cruises in the D will be epic this year! Tired of looking at the riced out Cobalts.

And now folks, Mr. Conway Twitty…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67GSo3MxGi0

That is plain awesomeness.

Careful or the Plastastic Crapulous interior doesn’t catch fire.

GM made a wonderful outside shell filled with the cheapest junkest interior since the Pontiac G6.

Wait, it is worse than the G6. Worst cheapest interior I have ever seen in a big name GM product.

Cool.

You know, this may be a stupid question, but why do the front wheels on vehicles camber when you turn them, even while at a standstill?

I’m entirely sick of the Camaro hype. It’s turned to the point where it’s vulgar and disgusting. But I do like the Camaro.

@andy thanks for the insult, were you offended by the truth? that a 4-banger can smoke a useless V8 in a 1/4 mile or road course and still have gas left to keep going? go have fun in the back parking lots doing ‘burnouts’ while the real cars compete on a road course (y’know, with left AND right turns) not just straight lines or ovals (hahaha). have fun in the shadows.

my statement still stands little boy.

Buy Toyota (or Honda) because theyre cars last longer and have better resale value.

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@ andy – True statement (regarding that tool).

@ No More Oil For Toyota – First off, burnouts are useful since they heat up the tires, increasing traction, prior to racing at the drag strip. Second…..I am pretty sure there are no “real” cars competing with 4 cylinder engines. Oh hold on, you’re right, I forgot the F1 cars ran 4 cylinder, quad-turbocharged engines, my bad. Idiot. Go rant and rave about Toyota’s (or the losses they are now reporting) on some forum where people care. Or are as brain-washed regarding imports as you are. And you’re last comment….little boy? Who do you think you are? Hahaha a joke, nothing more.

Also at that Toyota tool – Wait, why are you laughing at burnouts anyways? LLN was just giving us all a teaser for the upcoming review of the new SS. That has nothing to do with your whole road racing rave. The Camaro has a great engine, backed by IRS (unlike the SRA in the ‘Stang). Imports can burnout, too. Such an ignorant tool.

Hey I’am not much on the new Camaro but it sure would be hell of better drive compared to anything that toyota has out there. Talk about a company that has the blandest lineup in the auto industry. Whats Toyota got anyway a Yaris now that an exciting ride they got.

fordman really seems into homoerotic fantasies, for stating things about people he dont know… in most cases, people who behave like that make up for something theyre ashamed of, in the very same field they spout nonsense at others… wonder how much fordman liked being gangbanged by gonzo, the mad dog rapist…

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Fan, do you even know what vapourware means? You say it even when looking at a production Camaro, like a true moron. I’d say I can’t wait for you to eat crow, but you must already have a mouth full of it.

I’d still get a Challenger over this. but this is a lot better than the Mustang.

NMOFT, what exactly does Toyota have right now that passes for a sports car? And if you look at some Nurburbring lists, you’ll see that the Camaro managed to best the IS-F, which is Toyota’s hottest rig right now, and does NOT run a 4-banger. You know, that strip of asphalt with left AND right turns,(BTW, I don’t remember the Camaro ever competing in oval racing with factory backing). They couldn’t even begin to design a RWD sports coupe, calling on Subaru to build it for them, then shelving it. Talk about vapourware.

You’re either a moron as well or are doing a very good job of imitating NMOFGM but from an import perspective (the fake).

The LS/SS does not have an open diff.

raven, whatever your problem is, as long as those cars are not up for sale, their nothing but an empty announcement, thus, vaporware.
in case you dont understand this, dont bother spouting more nonsense, people like you are necessary to the board… how boring would it be if there were just reasonable remarks… one needs a clown like you once in a while. thanks.

They ARE up for sale, man. You can order one NOW, and they’re already showing up in driveways and dealer showrooms. Seriously, I’m the one who’s not reasonable? If you think I’m making it up then please prove me wrong. The information is out there if you’d just take a minute to find out, rather than spout the same lame ‘vapourware’ comment you do after every Camaro posting. You’re the ignorant **** disturber, and I’m the one setting you straight.

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people have been waiting for 3 years for this piece o’****, and for a test drive you gou to a beach cruise and show everybody else some shmuk doin donuts (barely) on someone’s backyard and that’s it??

[Edited by Leftlane staff: Like the rest of the automotive media world, we've promised GM that we won't share our driving impressions of the Camaro until Friday at 6pm Eastern. Check back then for our review]

i apologize for my hastly judjment

wow…some of you guys are ignorant

Hating on american just because its GM

First off
The base camaro is cheaper than the GT and still has more HP and Torque…and its a Six getting 28-29 MPG
THE SS is getting 426 (mine is optioned to 440) and getting 24 MPG for 35k

Now onto the handling aspect of the car
Search Holden VXR8…its the same plat and engine (Weaker rated engine)

This car was acclaimed as “The M5 for half the cost” By Top Gear

Now…I’ll be lookin out for those new coyote engines when they hit the streets in the mustang…but till then…nothing will hang with the SS for a long time….the SS will even give the GT500 a run for its money and murder it in the corners.

BTW

That user bashing NASCAR…just want to let you know…most of those drivers you see in Le Mans, Formula, Circuits…have NASCAR training and experience on thier resume….if you would even think about what goes into building a stock car and driving them…you would not have even said anything that you did. I mean they build NA 708 HP average…and the engine does not even torque when under load because they are so balanced.

And seeing how Porsche, BMW, Audi only take UTI grads…you would have to assume that Americans are little more “In Tune” with Automotive Engineering.

you guys still don’t get it, the V8 engine inside Camaro are larger then the V8 in the Mustang and that really does make a huge different between two vehicle.

Holden VXR8 (a.k.a HSV) are build on between Z06 and ZR-1 engine, and also been tune with the motorsport in Australia. GM has nothing to do with the HSV in Australia, cause those was totally tune from in house and most of those can run faster then Covette.

Camaro V8 start at $35,000 ???

Mustang GT start at $28,000

and that is a huge different, plus GT only use 4.6L and later is going to be 3.5L V6 twin turbo charge with 415hp +.

No. The LS3 slots below the LS7 and LS9, and was tuned for the Corvette in North America. Holden sources their small blocks from the US, not the other way around.

And I’ll believe the 415hp ecoboost V6 when I see it.

The Mustang has been out longer than the Camaro so Improvements will be made. A Lingenfelter package Camaro Would take Any mustang you put up against it ROUSH, Saleen, So all you haters go back to your Mazda, or your SLOW Altama, or Maxima. Just because you can afford it dosent mean you should kill the hype for the rest of us.

Correction ( Just Because you can’t afford and you can’t get $40 trade in for your 1979 Daewoo. it dosent mean you should kill the hype for the rest of us!

It’s too bad… the SS Cobalt it right behind the new SS Camaro’s ring time! I have one word to say “Mustang!”

ooooh, raven, now you handed it to me, didnt you? didnt you?

ridiculous…

@oldraven

The V6 EcoBoost will have 365hp. It is being dropped in the production Taurus SHO. Where did you get the thought that it would have 415hp?

The Mustang, Challenger and Camaro is pure joy. Some people relax and enjoying life in a boat, fishing, hunting, sport etc. etc. These cars do the same. They are more than a product bringing you fro a to B. It is balsam for the soul. Cruising with a a big V8 and RWD is pure pleasure. I really dont care at all if some dont like these cars. If you dont like cats, then i dont try to convince people that cats are OK.

Here’s why American muscle cars will remain track failures (at least from the factory).

Solid Rear Axle + Limited Slip Diff (Mustang)=Fail
Independent Rear Suspension + Open Diff (Camaro, Challenger)=Fail
Independent Rear Suspension + Limited Slip Diff (Genesis Coupe, 370Z)=Win

Thankfully a LSD is an easy fix if you have the dough, but a 3800lbs.+ curb weight isnt.

I know kingston. Look at the post right above mine that I was replying to. He’s claiming the Mustang is getting a 415+hp TTV6 some time in the near future.

So Fan, that’s your reply?

Official Production + Customer Deliveries = NOT Vapourware, unlike your argument.

jmayhew, only the first year of Challengers had an open diff, and the Camaro has an LSD. I don’t know what you’re talking about.

@ chewy4ce – The V6 Camaro does not match the Mustang GT in horsepower, and certainly not torque. The Mustang GT has 15 additional horsepower, for starters, and no way does that V6 Camaro match the ‘Stang GT’s 325ft.-lbs. or torque. Have you even seen the performance numbers by these 2 cars? Obviously not. The ‘10 Mustang GT (w/ Track Pack) sprints 0-60mph in 4.9s, while the Camaro V6 throws down 6.1s. Hardly a contest. Also, in terms of fuel economy, the Camaro SS manual and Mustang GT manual both return the exact same numbers, even when the SS features a 6 speed. Research before posting next time. Lastly, the SS’s 426bhp 6.2L engine makes 68.7bhp/liter, while the GT’s 315bhp 4.6L engine makes 68.4bhp/liter….so it’s not like this Camaro has some awesome, incredibly powerful engine. GM just made a bigger engine; big deal. Yes, the Camaro will be faster, but it won’t blow away the Mustang as badly as some think, nor will it give the ‘10 GT500 a “run for its money.”

I’m a Mustang fan, and have been for years, but I still appreciate great cars. The SS is sick in my book, and I can’t wait to see them cruising around. The Challanger’s are super retro and muscular and they’re sick, too. Just because I’m a Ford/Mustang guy doesn’t mean I have to go around like NMOFT or NMOFGM and be completely ignorant and trash talk the world. Come on guys, mature a little bit.

I’m pumped for 2011, though….return of the muscle car wars!

I am so sick of this “Vaporware” car. Where is it? The Camaro will be “Stillborn”

nitetysixvert, they made a bigger engine with more power and the same fuel economy, that costs a fraction as much to build, and is smaller and lighter. If that’s lost on you I don’t know what else to say. To me, it looks like Ford went through a lot of trouble for nothing designing the MOD (modular my ass).

Who cares if it’s bigger, when it makes way more power but doesn’t use any more fuel? The only benefit of a smaller displacement is fuel savings.

cocojoe53, don’t be a fool and read the rest of the comments.

@ oldraven – The modular engines from Ford are real flexible engines; it costs virtually nothing for them to create this upcoming 5.0L. I’m not saying GM’s 6.2L V8 sucks or anything….the LS engines are awesome. I was simply pointing out that power-efficiency wise, both engine have nearly identical power output per liter. The “Coyote” 5.0L is guessed to be rated around 400bhp….bumping it’s credentials to 80bhp/liter, which is pretty sick in my book and romps the not-so-invincible LS engine in the Camaro.

Quality? Reliability? dependability? Nothing beats a GM vehicle. An American Revolution