Just yesterday, Quattro GmbH director Wener Frowein has revealed that the Audi R8 prototypes destroyed by fire earlier this year — three in all — were RS8 test mules fitted with the same 580 horsepower twin-turbo V10 found in the Audi RS6 Avant, and today more information has surfaced on the highly speculated car.
The twin-turbos on the test cars created too much heat for the mid-engine setup, causing the engine to overheat and catch fire. Frowein revealed that Audi has since abandoned the twin-turbo setup — opting for a naturally aspirated V10 rated at about 500 horsepower — but the engine is not being sourced from VW’s Lamborghini division.
Instead, Evo magazine says that Audi will start from scratch with the engine and it will actually be an evolution of the V8 found in the RS4. Sources also indicated that the engine’s output will be in the neighborhood of 520 horsepower.
No word on when we will see the V10-powered RS8, but a January debut at the Detroit Auto Show is still possible, although not likely.


11/27, 3:18 PM
posted by:
jonnycat
Shame.
11/27, 3:21 PM
posted by:
sharpie
WOW, three??? Too bad the setup has been abandoned.
11/27, 3:24 PM
posted by:
LP640
Herr Frowein, well done fur stating ein obvious, pig ****ing nazi ! I cant wait for this 580bhp version. The current R8 is hotter than the sun’s core i cant imagine what the full 580bhp version is gonna be like.
11/27, 3:25 PM
posted by:
CA36GTP
I would think that after the 2nd one burned up, someone would’ve said “Hey, I think something may be wrong here.”
11/27, 3:25 PM
posted by:
CA36GTP
NIce job not being able to read, LP640.
11/27, 3:27 PM
posted by:
CA36GTP
And I thought it wasn’t being called RS8?
11/27, 3:56 PM
posted by:
56oval
I don’t think it would be called an RS8 either. That designation would refer to a souped-up S8 if you follow the current nomenclature. I would think it would be R8-S like the TT-S.
11/27, 3:56 PM
posted by:
atourya
ca36gtp, I’m sure that they tried different modifications to the design on the 2nd and 3rd run to try and disperse the heat, but it just didn’t work.
11/27, 4:16 PM
posted by:
jackjimturkey
LP640 ist geistig unterentwickelt!
deutsche ist meine zweitsprache.
11/27, 4:16 PM
posted by:
SS4LIFE
Hey LP640. If this was a domestic car and caught on fire you’d be having a hell of a time saying that it’s a piece of crap because it’s American. Probably would throw in a Ford Pinto comment while you were at it. But becuase it’s a German car it’s HOT huh?
11/27, 4:20 PM
posted by:
Gary
It sure is SS4LIFE
11/27, 4:24 PM
posted by:
LP640
Hey Jackjimturkey****er, Sie alter senile bastard, Sie sind vermutlich einer von den arent hitlers Generälen Sie?? Sie Schwein ****ing Nazi immer von ängstlich von etwas, das besser als Sie ist, arent Sie? youre nicht das einzige, wer Deutsches sprechen oder mit einem vergeblichen Versuch asswipe mindestens versuchen kann
11/27, 4:41 PM
posted by:
Andre Neves
Should be taken as an example for Tuners out there looking to Turbocharged the 10 when it is produced.
11/27, 4:54 PM
posted by:
casualobserver
Look at the picture. The body panels have completely melted. The aluminum alloy wheels have not. If I remember my metallurgy, a cast alloy as in the wheels would melt at a lower temperature than an aluminum alloy used in rolled sheet (as in the A8).
Unless…what we are looking at is really a super-trick light-weight magnesium body which not only has a slightly lower melting temperature but also could have caught fire from the engine heat, explaining why these are so prone to fire!
11/27, 5:15 PM
posted by:
droppedgmc02
Sounds lazy to me. Their are many non-aspirated mid engine cars on the road today. They made it work. Why can’t a German company that normally over designs cars put a little thought into it. If you ask me sounds lazy.
11/27, 5:37 PM
posted by:
jonmiles
wtf is this bull**** about it being too hot because it’s a mid-engine setup? I have a hard time believing that the company that is pretty much leading the industry in technical innovation can’t figure out how to cool an engine that is allready set for production in another car…
11/27, 6:24 PM
posted by:
johnnycanuck
…man jjt, you’re really getting a lot of constructive feedback today. I’d like to offer some backup but apparently LLN has felt it necessary to censor some of my posts so I can only sympathize. I have an appointment with my therapist Mr. Beam tonight so I’m cautiously optimistic that I’ll be able to carry on. I trust you will find a way to work through these trying times as well.
11/27, 6:27 PM
posted by:
carbonsigma
LOL, fair point, jonmiles
11/27, 7:32 PM
posted by:
CTS DRIVER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Dm4BBWwRvc,
11/27, 9:08 PM
posted by:
A4
SO what your telling me Frowein is that although you have no issues with a quad turbo mid engined 16 cylinder Bugatti, you have entirely too much trouble trying to manage two turbos and 6 fewer cylinders?
11/27, 9:20 PM
posted by:
AdibzumbaAbihganulah
My twin-turbo Gallardo caught fire, too. But before I was hurt, I woke up.
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jonmiles, this is exactly what I thought.
11/27, 10:31 PM
posted by:
TOZO
Wow! I forgot all about the exploding Audi R8s. Ford Pinto all over again. Anyway, I don’t want to be anywhere near that thing, twin-turbo or no-turbo. And just think - the Bugatti has 4 turbos.
11/27, 10:49 PM
posted by:
Andre Neves
TOZO,
It doesn’t matter if it has 2 or 4 turbos. It could be the size of the turbos. It could be the location of the turbos/manifolds. It could be the overall design of the car preventing sufficient cooling to vital parts of the drivetrain.
11/28, 4:30 AM
posted by:
Syrax
and for that matter, the veyron has 10 radiators.
11/28, 8:47 AM
posted by:
Rotman
I think the design has actually improved through this heating procedure.
11/28, 9:26 AM
posted by:
Z06ified
I can’t imagine with all their engineering talent they can’t figure out a way to use twin turbos in that car without it catching fire. Heat management isn’t THAT big of an obstacle these days.
Must be more to the story that VW doesn’t want to disclose.
11/28, 10:30 AM
posted by:
autonut
What about thermometer in the engine compartment? Do you really need to burned 3 cars to learn from mistakes (fire). It is just does not sound right: those mules were littered with censors; how the hell they missed 3 fires? Got to be more then that to burn that baby to a crisp. Something got to blow up not to be notices.
11/28, 10:32 AM
posted by:
SS4LIFE
lol and the conspiracy theories come out. You never know?
11/28, 10:40 AM
posted by:
Rotman
Well, you can never burn enough Audi’s. They should consider testing in the suburbs of Paris
11/28, 11:20 AM
posted by:
autonut
Rotman, I like Sarkozy (perhaps because he is NOT French). Let give him a chance to straighten his fcuked up compatriots before wishing panzers on them again
There is no conspiracy theory here: my point is that it had to be explosion before fire for all the equipment and censor NOT to react (never mind technicians observing those instruments).
11/28, 12:05 PM
posted by:
Rotman
Yeah. Quit bitching everybody. They’re testmules and they’re supposed to blow up every once in a while. This is all for your entertainment, so you’d better enjoy it.
@autonut, it will cost a couple of 1000 cars, but it will blow over. Not giving them attention worked very fine in 2005.
11/28, 1:01 PM
posted by:
Get Real
Audi is not a well run company.
11/28, 2:01 PM
posted by:
TOZO
Very well then, but whatever it may be, that thing’s gonna explode!
11/28, 2:19 PM
posted by:
CTS DRIVER
lol@rotman
11/28, 2:54 PM
posted by:
jackjimturkey
LP640: german is actually my third language.
das ging ein gute beleidigung, Arschloch!
Lei parla l’italiano? Fessi!
11/28, 3:53 PM
posted by:
Z06ified
Audi is really Volkswagen. I don’t consider Audi a separate company. It’s a wholly-owned subsidiary of VW, but functions like a luxury division of VW.
11/28, 5:12 PM
posted by:
autonutt
WTF is wrong with Audi that they can’t get adequate cooling to their R8 engine compartment despite the HUGE contrasting carbon-fiber wings that I assume are designed to do just that? Are they even functional, or just another design statement? And WTF wouldn’t they utilize the Lamborghini Gallardo V10, since they already know it fits and doesn’t always burn to a crisp? So much for form follows function, and no design for design’s sake…
11/28, 5:15 PM
posted by:
CA36GTP
LOL, Volkswagen.
11/28, 6:24 PM
posted by:
C6Racer
Wow, autonut, you really need to go back to grammar school (especially looking at the comment you posted on November28 at 10:30 am). It’s sensor, you idiot, SENSOR! Censor is something that’s done when cursing is replaced with a “beep” on the radio.
As for the R8, I think it’s awesome that Audi is even thinking about adding more power as the current one just doesn’t have enough.
11/28, 6:57 PM
posted by:
F3INT))AP3X
C6; I’m curious as to why you say the R8 doesn’t have enough horsepower. Is 420p just not enough? I think it’s ridiculous these days how all people complain about is that bla bla car doesn’t have enough horses or doesn’t have AWD or w/e. Point of fact being that a car isn’t all about performance specs; I would take the Audi over a C6 or a similar car just because I think it looks way cooler. I mean ya I may not beat all the other cars in its price point on a track but really who gives a **** lol. 420 is enough horses to do just about anything in style and even if other cars in the price point have more, there are many aspects to Audi that they lack.
11/28, 6:59 PM
posted by:
jonmiles
Wooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!! This powerplant is going to be SIIICCCCKK!!!
11/28, 7:04 PM
posted by:
SS4LIFE
yeah considering that it isn’t turbo’d and catches on fire too….
11/28, 7:18 PM
posted by:
Sharif
Just do an engine swap for the very awesome upcoming ZR-1 engine. Of course their might be some tinkering around involved in the process but it would be all good once it’s completed.
11/28, 7:20 PM
posted by:
Sharif
or of course you could just put the twin turbo v10 and instead of arguing on what to call the car just call it the audi firecrotch
11/28, 8:42 PM
posted by:
BMan1113VR
I guess Audi has a need to burn some cash. what on earth would make them want to build a new V10 instead of just sourcing it from the car that the R8 was developed from.
11/28, 9:31 PM
posted by:
RicardoHead
The Audi Incin-R8.
11/28, 10:37 PM
posted by:
A4
Theres a tuner that actually builds twin turbo gallardos… i remember reading about him in car and driver last year or something.. name began with an H… wonder if his cars blow up
11/29, 12:53 AM
posted by:
SS4LIFE
Oh your talking about Heffner Performance A4. Yeah he twin turbo’d a Gallardo, and a Ford GT. They are both sick and crazy fast. I doubt he has the same problems Audi does. But like Sharif said if Audi wants a good and powerful engine why don’t they source their engines from GM, or better yet throw in a Ford Duratec??? At least that ford engine won’t catch fire!
11/29, 5:01 AM
posted by:
Syrax
oh, i know A4…it’s heffner’s. there was a video on youtube of a four wheel burnout of a heffner, but it’s not there anymore.
11/29, 8:23 AM
posted by:
DeansterTJ
SS4Life, I think you nailed it! A Duratec in the R8!
****ing idiot.
11/29, 9:00 AM
posted by:
CA36GTP
Saleen S7, anyone? 7.0L OHV V8 twin-turbocharged in a mid-engine configuration. 750 horsepower. Oh wait, the S7 must be crap because it’s American.
If VW can’t do it, it’s not because it can’t be done. It’s because VW is ****.
11/29, 10:03 AM
posted by:
SS4LIFE
Am I really a ****ing Idiot DeansterTJ? First off I was kidding about the Ford Duratec in an Audi! You people take things too seriously on this site. Secondly Let’s see the Noble M1 used a twin turbo Ford Duratec and it’s one crazy fast car. It costs in the high 90k to 100k and it does 0-60 in low 3’s, weighs next to nothing and is a very capable track car. And then there was the post about the Koensigg CCXR that ok we found out has a new powerplant but orginally also had a Ford engine sourced architecture. Which didn’t pull a new record? So before you call me a ****ing Idiot why don’t you first think about the comment and then realize that. At least those cars haven’t been burnt crisp to the ground. ****smooch.
11/29, 10:07 AM
posted by:
CA36GTP
The S7 also uses a modified Ford 427 OHV V8.
11/29, 2:21 PM
posted by:
jpruden
How about if they just buy the supercharger design from MTM that they’re putting into the RS4?
http://www.europeancarweb.com/features/0703_ec_mtm_audi_rs4/index.html
11/29, 5:44 PM
posted by:
jackjimturkey
Mary Tyler Moore is in the supercharger business?