For the life of me I will never understand why American car companies cannot make cars that rival Audi, BMW, Mercedes, Porsche, Lexus, Infiniti, etc. WTF is their problem?

Don’t try to equal the other brands – build cars that blow them away in style, quality and performance. Forget about the price. Get creative w/ the financing if you have to, but build some kick ass cars.

I wish I was CEO of GM. Arrrrgggh.

The lines more fitting of a vette than a caddy anyways. Chevy vette divison has given much to Caddy in the past … its time Caddy division returns the favor.

What caddy needs to concentrate on is building luxury sedans to compete with likes of BMW’s M3/M5′s … and the Benzs.

I also find it funny that you think only GM talks themselves up in advertisements. News flash, that’s the whole point of advertising. Keep up the “I-CANT-HEAR-YOU-LA-LA-LA” GM hatred.

You don’t like Pontiac, thats fine. We have nothing to discuss on the subject. If GM thought Pontiac wasn’t worth the time they wouldn’t spend the the time or money on it. Your assumptions about the division are based solely on your opinions and not the facts looking you in the face. As for the G6, I will not get into that for one reason. We already know, or maybe you don’t, that the G6 is a stop gap until a new RWD car is built. For those who didn’t know, Pontiac is being revamped to be rid of all FWD cars. When they are done there will not be any FWDs. Simple I think. Of course, You’d know this is you we not trying to make the worl d believe your POV as if it were fact. For now the G6 is serving Pontiac well and it isn’t being moved.

Of course, I realize that what you are saying is Opinion and you can’t stand that someone out there is doing the math and the research to obtain facts… not opinions. This is one reason why this is my last blurb to you, fireman. You simply haven’t a real clue.

You know very little about the XLR to start. But that doesn’t matter you’ll just “Nah-uh it’s this”. You like so many people on this forum, or whatever, can’t stand when some one actually is right more often than you are. You have to make hugely sweeping statements about people in general to sound as if you are the one who is right when all you are doing s making baseless statements to TRY to sound informed.

On the Fiero, I am not wrong about the car being able to beat a C4 Corvette, Not a ZR-1, but a standard C4 at the least. But for someone who claimed before that no one, I’ll read that you mean you, cares about the history of the mark, you seem to care a lot about the image of a particular car that you do seem to care about. The Fiero was a very good car and, as I said with the right engine, It could beat a Vette. Tough to swallow that that was a major reason why GM canned the car. But true. Ever really wonder why GM never fielded more sports cars that the Corvette until recently? So have I.

“You are under the assumption that if GM sold Holdens’ the American public would not understand the concept. This is making the assumption that the American buyer is ignorance, and only understands rebadging, and grafting.”

I never made the assumption but the time and effort to sell a Holden is far more difficult to do in America than to re-badge it as a Pontiac, especially when GM was moving to re-make Pontiac as a division and they needed the sports car for the job. I would submit you are ignorant that you can not see the bigger picture or refuse to see it. I’m sure GM even did the studies to make see if they could just sell the GTO as a Holden. Guess what they found? It had to be a Pontiac or it would be ignored more than it was. But it got the ball rolling. Re-badging is a necessary evil, one I don’t think you understand very well.

I’m sure you’re fine with your little image of a world without Detroit. I’ll live if it comes to that, but in the meantime, I’m watching. If you were you’d understand what it is I see and have more faith in GM.

That said, there are better ways to get me to talk. But you’ll never have the chance yourself to use them. So, why bother?

As for CTS DRIVER, I think that a coupe would be available with AWD or RWD just like the sedan, and same for the motors. Which would be good, because no way would I want an AWD one.

I never said FORD was stupid for building only so many 4500 GTs (1500 a year for 3 years), I meant that it was stupid to tell the world that. It would have been nice for a few non-factory racing teams to have gotten their hands on a few to race and really prove this cars mettle. But FORD did make a mint on the car didn’t they?

MiM1703,

My contention is not that FORD should have built hundreds of thousands of GTs (that’s just lame no matter how you look at it), but to keep building them, much like how Dodge builds only a couple thousand, I think only 3500, Vipers a year and returns a high sticker for them (I honestly think The Viper is worth only $50K not $90K). It is a regular production car at a low volume but high price. FORD could have easily gone this route, continuing production at a Low volume, maybe much lower Production, about 1500 a year, would have been better for the car in the long run and the company as well.

Low volume High dollar cars return higher profits per unit, after all. What easier way to grab some cash than to have a car that demands a high sticker but not so high that the deep pockets of collectors, speculators, and professional racers, will not pass it up. As it was, Pro-racers skipped because of the price and the fact that they may not be able to get parts for it or even a replacement car after a couple of years. “weekend warriors” with the money couldn’t get their hands on one anyway at the normal sticker price.

Collectors and speculators buy only once. Racers and enthusiasts with deep pockets are repeat buyers. More business, more money. See the logic?

If ford made 100k GT’s in one year they would NEVER sell them all. manufacturers produce low numbers on supercars to keep demand high and to protect buyers on their investments.

I wouldn’t call Ford’s decision to cap production at 1500 GTs stupid. They are instead protecting largest base of customers – collectors and speculators.

I would call Ford’s decision to continue to employ Mark Fields stupid.

- did i read that correctly??.. i dont see any american company making a better car than my 3 series bmw. they dont have a chance in this highly competitive sector. look at what clarskon has to say about american cars. lol. and he is GOD.

Go burn a book, “fireman”. Your ignorance and annoyance knows few bounds. Fear of knowledge in favor of the easy answer is all you seem to espouse. You do not amuse me. Humor me in not pretending that you do.

If you don’t like Pontiac, then you don’t. I really don’t care. But don’t use me as prop for your bad comedy.

Mim1703,

The Ford GT sold like crazy… at nearly twice the price… to collectors and speculators. You won’t see many if any because they have all been locked away. You won’t see them racing because of the same reason. FORD made the bone head decision to make only about 4500 or so over, I think, it was 3 years and telling the world thus. It could have been a perennial or legacy car, one that doesn’t go away, like the Mustang.

If GM goes that route, they will be better served to have two versions. Since I doubt they would want a MR sports car next to the Corvette, the best option would be Pontiac, to sell the numbers to solidly make back their money on such a platform, if it is a totally new car from scratch. The XLR is a bit disappointing for a $90K car, but it would never be possible without the Corvette. Thusly, A Pontiac version, as the Performance division, makes best sense, to field such a car. Of course, the Cadillac version would be far more powerful, posh, and equipped like a typical supercar. But then the Pontiac version, would be more likely to earn kudos as a racer and not a status symbol, this would only help the Caddy and Pontiac.

Such a car is still a big “IF”, however. GM killed off the Fiero because of a number of reasons. First, the obvious one is that The Fiero was badly marketed and marketed to women and not men who would want such a car as a weekend racer. It was a great car from the world go but add the engine that was later known as Oldsmobile’s Quad4 and it smoked the C4 Vettes of the time. this leads to reason two, The Fiero could beat the Vette and the execs did not want that, so instead of learning from this and improving the Vette that, GM killed the Fiero. So aside from the Firebird, Pontiac had nothing through those dark years in Detroit.

The Sixteen not sell? Such a car would HAVE to be a low volume production, about 2000 units or less a year, but the list of buyers would be long enough in the world as a whole, at the very least. Trust me there are stars, moguls, entertainers, and so on will buy one in a heartbeat. You won’t see one on every street corner, thank goodness, but it would make quite a statement when you do.

Also typically, low volume high dollar cars make a LOT more money per unit, than mainstream cars do. Going for the brass ring with a Sixteen and/or a Cien would not be a losing deal for GM and plus for Cadillac almost no matter what.

Cadillac is a luxury performance brand and everything about the cars should attest to this. Front wheel drive stops at $16,000 for me.

And homeboy… all you do is bash GM. we get it.. you don’t like GM. thanks. now shut up. try putting something up here truely constructive.

by the way this car looks terrible

this is almost as funny as the supercar chrysler threatened to unleash a few years back (looks similar too). sure…hey, you know i really liked the ferrari but decided to go with the CHRYSLER! haha

Sorry, forgot about the hip-hop people out there.

Hey, who would’ve though Chevrolet would be dishing out $70,000 Corvettes left right and centre?

Build a Pontiac version maybe then a balls-out V12 Cadillac version not unlike the relationship the Audi R8 coupe has with the Lamborghini Gallardo. I wouldn’t call the Pontiac Fiero, but it wouldn’t be that far out of place, for around $40k-50k.

CTS coupe and sport wagon and sub-$30k entry level Caddy? DO IT!!! DO IT NOW!!!