Comments on: Calif. court to hear false claims suit over Civic Hybrid mileage http://www.leftlanenews.com/calif-court-to-hear-false-claims-suit-over-civic-hybrid-mileage.html Car news, reviews, and specs for the auto-industry Sun, 8 Nov 2009 21:10:31 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: tripleonefive http://www.leftlanenews.com/calif-court-to-hear-false-claims-suit-over-civic-hybrid-mileage.html/comment-page-1#comment-431853 tripleonefive Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:20:18 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=13786#comment-431853 From Edmunds Ford has been making a lot of noise about the Fusion Hybrid’s superiority in this regard. The company estimates that the EPA will certify the Fusion Hybrid at 41 mpg in the city and 36 mpg on the highway. These figures are 8 mpg better in the city and 2 mpg better on the highway than the Camry Hybrid. We simply could not achieve those figures in real-world driving though We drove the Fusion Hybrid on the same route around Orange County, California, as we did in a recent comparison of the Camry Hybrid and Prius. This suburban loop is 177.9 miles long and we averaged 31 mph in the Fusion Hybrid. ——SHAME SHAME Typically, cars we’ve tested on this loop return fuel-economy figures a little better than their EPA city estimates. The Fusion Hybrid did not.In fact, we could manage only 35.7 mpg. SURPRISE SURPRISE The car’s onboard computer was a little generous, claiming 37 mpg. The Camry Hybrid we tested on the route (on a different day) returned 41.8 mpg ——WOW The company that is “unsurpassed” is exagerating claims in order to top Toyota? How can this be From Edmunds
Ford has been making a lot of noise about the Fusion Hybrid’s superiority in this regard. The company estimates that the EPA will certify the Fusion Hybrid at 41 mpg in the city and 36 mpg on the highway.

These figures are 8 mpg better in the city and 2 mpg better on the highway than the Camry Hybrid. We simply could not achieve those figures in real-world driving though

We drove the Fusion Hybrid on the same route around Orange County, California, as we did in a recent comparison of the Camry Hybrid and Prius. This suburban loop is 177.9 miles long and we averaged 31 mph in the Fusion Hybrid. ——SHAME SHAME

Typically, cars we’ve tested on this loop return fuel-economy figures a little better than their EPA city estimates. The Fusion Hybrid did not.In fact, we could manage only 35.7 mpg. SURPRISE SURPRISE

The car’s onboard computer was a little generous, claiming 37 mpg. The Camry Hybrid we tested on the route (on a different day) returned 41.8 mpg ——WOW

The company that is “unsurpassed” is exagerating claims in order to top Toyota? How can this be

]]> By: jonmiles http://www.leftlanenews.com/calif-court-to-hear-false-claims-suit-over-civic-hybrid-mileage.html/comment-page-1#comment-431577 jonmiles Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:20:19 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=13786#comment-431577 God bless america. Good lawyers keep these monsters honest God bless america. Good lawyers keep these monsters honest

]]> By: jonmiles http://www.leftlanenews.com/calif-court-to-hear-false-claims-suit-over-civic-hybrid-mileage.html/comment-page-1#comment-431576 jonmiles Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:18:12 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=13786#comment-431576 AAAAAAAhaHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA eat that honda. AAAAAAAhaHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA eat that honda.

]]> By: christianboy10 http://www.leftlanenews.com/calif-court-to-hear-false-claims-suit-over-civic-hybrid-mileage.html/comment-page-1#comment-431568 christianboy10 Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:01:23 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=13786#comment-431568 But this suppose to be Honda's bread and butter since they canned the NSX,S2000 and everything proformance But this suppose to be Honda’s bread and butter since they canned the NSX,S2000 and everything proformance

]]> By: moparsalesman http://www.leftlanenews.com/calif-court-to-hear-false-claims-suit-over-civic-hybrid-mileage.html/comment-page-1#comment-431546 moparsalesman Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:56:35 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=13786#comment-431546 anti believer wtf are you talking about. did you know for about $1500 on most chryslers you can buy a lifetime new car wrap to go with the lifetime powertrain anti believer wtf are you talking about. did you know for about $1500 on most chryslers you can buy a lifetime new car wrap to go with the lifetime powertrain

]]> By: johnnycanuck http://www.leftlanenews.com/calif-court-to-hear-false-claims-suit-over-civic-hybrid-mileage.html/comment-page-1#comment-431473 johnnycanuck Wed, 14 Jan 2009 03:32:53 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=13786#comment-431473 DrFill, that was awesome. Now try the same thing with a lit smoke and a bag of beef jerky between your legs. DrFill, that was awesome. Now try the same thing with a lit smoke and a bag of beef jerky between your legs.

]]> By: tripleonefive http://www.leftlanenews.com/calif-court-to-hear-false-claims-suit-over-civic-hybrid-mileage.html/comment-page-1#comment-431470 tripleonefive Wed, 14 Jan 2009 03:24:40 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=13786#comment-431470 I love how you idiots get on here an act as if you have given examples and sent links when you haventBubs which car is worth more and more reliable Camry wins sorry but its the truth Injuraiv the only thing that is fun is poking fun at you being unemployed and funnier that you sell Pontiaces That get a laugh every time Mopar Not even worth it lol Uh ..an the EPA sets numbers for the hybrids they had this story on LLN last year you morons Oh and last but not least when is the Volt coming out Haha T15 wins again sorry boys I love how you idiots get on here an act as if you have given examples and sent links when you haventBubs which car is worth more and more reliable Camry wins sorry but its the truth
Injuraiv the only thing that is fun is poking fun at you being unemployed and funnier that you sell Pontiaces That get a laugh every time
Mopar Not even worth it lol
Uh ..an the EPA sets numbers for the hybrids they had this story on LLN last year you morons
Oh and last but not least when is the Volt coming out
Haha T15 wins again
sorry boys

]]> By: Borat http://www.leftlanenews.com/calif-court-to-hear-false-claims-suit-over-civic-hybrid-mileage.html/comment-page-1#comment-431459 Borat Wed, 14 Jan 2009 02:26:54 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=13786#comment-431459 This is true that there is one born every minute. Except in California, there are more then one born every minute. The numbers are published by division of US government, only Republic of California would allow to proceed and waste their taxpayers money on this one. Strangely, I think Dr. Fill is onto something! This is true that there is one born every minute. Except in California, there are more then one born every minute. The numbers are published by division of US government, only Republic of California would allow to proceed and waste their taxpayers money on this one.
Strangely, I think Dr. Fill is onto something!

]]> By: DrFill http://www.leftlanenews.com/calif-court-to-hear-false-claims-suit-over-civic-hybrid-mileage.html/comment-page-1#comment-431436 DrFill Wed, 14 Jan 2009 00:57:52 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=13786#comment-431436 I personally feel that driving with a beer in one hand and yourself in the other hand does increase mileage, if not safety DrFill I personally feel that driving with a beer in one hand and yourself in the other hand does increase mileage, if not safety
DrFill

]]> By: jayjc08 http://www.leftlanenews.com/calif-court-to-hear-false-claims-suit-over-civic-hybrid-mileage.html/comment-page-1#comment-431435 jayjc08 Wed, 14 Jan 2009 00:56:29 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=13786#comment-431435 "The crux of Paduano’s complaint is the claim in Honda’s ads that EPA mileage can be achieved by <b>diving the vehicle like a regular car.</b>" James Bond and Go-Go Gadget get 100 nautical miles to the gallon. You? “The crux of Paduano’s complaint is the claim in Honda’s ads that EPA mileage can be achieved by diving the vehicle like a regular car.”

James Bond and Go-Go Gadget get 100 nautical miles to the gallon. You?

]]> By: t-ak-box http://www.leftlanenews.com/calif-court-to-hear-false-claims-suit-over-civic-hybrid-mileage.html/comment-page-1#comment-431433 t-ak-box Wed, 14 Jan 2009 00:30:19 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=13786#comment-431433 This guy case will go down i a great blaze of fail. 928 and others made a great point. If you love pressing the fun pedal your not going to get great mileage with a hybrid or an vehicle that's meant to be fuel efficient. I haven't seen the Civic Hybrid commercial that states drive it like you stole it and you'll get great mileage. It shows a guy driving the car in a serene almost motionless stay. like your napping with your eyes open. If he drove it like an old lady on Sunday a hybrid would have been great for him, but he didn't so it sucked much like his case. This guy case will go down i a great blaze of fail.
928 and others made a great point.
If you love pressing the fun pedal your not going to get great mileage with a hybrid or an vehicle that’s meant to be fuel efficient. I haven’t seen the Civic Hybrid commercial that states drive it like you stole it and you’ll get great mileage. It shows a guy driving the car in a serene almost motionless stay. like your napping with your eyes open. If he drove it like an old lady on Sunday a hybrid would have been great for him, but he didn’t so it sucked much like his case.

]]> By: olds307 http://www.leftlanenews.com/calif-court-to-hear-false-claims-suit-over-civic-hybrid-mileage.html/comment-page-1#comment-431429 olds307 Wed, 14 Jan 2009 00:04:09 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=13786#comment-431429 1996 Cadillac Deville gets 32mpg@55mph. 1996 Cadillac Deville gets 32mpg@55mph.

]]> By: zoomzoomer http://www.leftlanenews.com/calif-court-to-hear-false-claims-suit-over-civic-hybrid-mileage.html/comment-page-1#comment-431416 zoomzoomer Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:02:09 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=13786#comment-431416 "The funny (or sad) thing here is Honda is already behind the curve with fuel economy, and now we find out their numbers may be bogus!! Wheee!!" InjunRaiv.. the numbers aren't Honda's, the EPA creates the numbers based on their testing. So it's not Honda's fault if they know how to tune their vehicles to provide optimal economy when exposed to EPA test conditions, and not as much in real-world driving.. that's marketing! “The funny (or sad) thing here is Honda is already behind the curve with fuel economy, and now we find out their numbers may be bogus!! Wheee!!”

InjunRaiv.. the numbers aren’t Honda’s, the EPA creates the numbers based on their testing. So it’s not Honda’s fault if they know how to tune their vehicles to provide optimal economy when exposed to EPA test conditions, and not as much in real-world driving.. that’s marketing!

]]> By: Zcarsales http://www.leftlanenews.com/calif-court-to-hear-false-claims-suit-over-civic-hybrid-mileage.html/comment-page-1#comment-431413 Zcarsales Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:40:52 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=13786#comment-431413 I'm waiting for the Dodge Challenger SRT-8 Hybrid. I’m waiting for the Dodge Challenger SRT-8 Hybrid.

]]> By: 928dreamer http://www.leftlanenews.com/calif-court-to-hear-false-claims-suit-over-civic-hybrid-mileage.html/comment-page-1#comment-431411 928dreamer Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:21:23 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=13786#comment-431411 Moral of the story. If you drive with enthusiasm you might as well get the car that is fun to drive. Heavy foot plus Prius equals total waste. Moral of the story.

If you drive with enthusiasm you might as well get the car that is fun to drive.

Heavy foot plus Prius equals total waste.

]]> By: 928dreamer http://www.leftlanenews.com/calif-court-to-hear-false-claims-suit-over-civic-hybrid-mileage.html/comment-page-1#comment-431409 928dreamer Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:17:44 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=13786#comment-431409 Top Gear made the point about the importance of how a hybrid is driven by having a fuel economy "race" between an M3 and the Prius. The M3 effortlessly went around the track while the Prius had to be driven quite hard to keep up. The final tally showed that the M3 got better MPG during the drive on the track. Top Gear made the point about the importance of how a hybrid is driven by having a fuel economy “race” between an M3 and the Prius. The M3 effortlessly went around the track while the Prius had to be driven quite hard to keep up. The final tally showed that the M3 got better MPG during the drive on the track.

]]> By: DB9 http://www.leftlanenews.com/calif-court-to-hear-false-claims-suit-over-civic-hybrid-mileage.html/comment-page-1#comment-431399 DB9 Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:58:31 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=13786#comment-431399 My two cents, I’ve never bought into the hybrid hype from the start – no matter who makes them. The Europeans see diesels as the way to go and I agree with them. They are a proven technology that is efficient, the new engines are clean and if maintained are more durable than their gasoline counterparts. Two key points that few care to discuss are: The true cost benefit ratio of a hybrid over its life cycle including the cost of new battery packs and disposition of old packs and more importantly, the market for used hybrids after they come off lease after say 50k. Who wants to buy a used hybrid? What are the costs for induction motors and battery packs (~$10k) after the warranty period – even if it’s an extended 60-80k. One hardly ever hears about these topics. All you hear about is the here and now; not the whole life cycle. DB9 My two cents, I’ve never bought into the hybrid hype from the start – no matter who makes them. The Europeans see diesels as the way to go and I agree with them. They are a proven technology that is efficient, the new engines are clean and if maintained are more durable than their gasoline counterparts.

Two key points that few care to discuss are: The true cost benefit ratio of a hybrid over its life cycle including the cost of new battery packs and disposition of old packs and more importantly, the market for used hybrids after they come off lease after say 50k. Who wants to buy a used hybrid? What are the costs for induction motors and battery packs (~$10k) after the warranty period – even if it’s an extended 60-80k. One hardly ever hears about these topics. All you hear about is the here and now; not the whole life cycle.

DB9

]]> By: Bubs Solo http://www.leftlanenews.com/calif-court-to-hear-false-claims-suit-over-civic-hybrid-mileage.html/comment-page-1#comment-431395 Bubs Solo Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:32:12 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=13786#comment-431395 OMG!!! Mutant@DCX is actually Yoda. OMG!!! Mutant@DCX is actually Yoda.

]]> By: Mutant@DCX http://www.leftlanenews.com/calif-court-to-hear-false-claims-suit-over-civic-hybrid-mileage.html/comment-page-1#comment-431391 Mutant@DCX Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:14:22 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=13786#comment-431391 this issue, this car, I care not. this issue, this car, I care not.

]]> By: christianboy10 http://www.leftlanenews.com/calif-court-to-hear-false-claims-suit-over-civic-hybrid-mileage.html/comment-page-1#comment-431377 christianboy10 Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:30:25 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=13786#comment-431377 Its not getting any better for these days. Its not getting any better for these days.

]]> By: neptronix http://www.leftlanenews.com/calif-court-to-hear-false-claims-suit-over-civic-hybrid-mileage.html/comment-page-1#comment-431356 neptronix Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:06:00 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=13786#comment-431356 BTW, honda already had to lower their estimated fuel economy once before for this car. this will be round two. "germans underestimate their mpgs…asians overestimate them. i think its becoming more obvious. either that or an Asian’s leg is too short to actually give it as much power as we “taller” people give them on these tests" ^--- LOLOL BTW, honda already had to lower their estimated fuel economy once before for this car.
this will be round two.

“germans underestimate their mpgs…asians overestimate them. i think its becoming more obvious. either that or an Asian’s leg is too short to actually give it as much power as we “taller” people give them on these tests”

^— LOLOL

]]> By: Zcarsales http://www.leftlanenews.com/calif-court-to-hear-false-claims-suit-over-civic-hybrid-mileage.html/comment-page-1#comment-431354 Zcarsales Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:03:38 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=13786#comment-431354 I'm sorry; was it me that was saying that hybrids were nothing but hype? Who was that from yesterday? I’m sorry; was it me that was saying that hybrids were nothing but hype? Who was that from yesterday?

]]> By: Struggle http://www.leftlanenews.com/calif-court-to-hear-false-claims-suit-over-civic-hybrid-mileage.html/comment-page-1#comment-431350 Struggle Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:58:01 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=13786#comment-431350 Bubs, WTF does that post have to do with a Civic Hybrid? Bubs,

WTF does that post have to do with a Civic Hybrid?

]]> By: Tripleoneflipper http://www.leftlanenews.com/calif-court-to-hear-false-claims-suit-over-civic-hybrid-mileage.html/comment-page-1#comment-431346 Tripleoneflipper Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:52:08 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=13786#comment-431346 Leave me alone. I can't help it hat I'm a fat out of work 24 year old that lives with my Mom and her boyfriends in a trailer. I don't need to make sense nor do I have anything to prove to you patriotic non KBB believing fools. Yea fly your stupid flag, liife has been unfair to me so I want to hate all that is American. Love 1115 xoxoxoxoxoxox Leave me alone. I can’t help it hat I’m a fat out of work 24 year old that lives with my Mom and her boyfriends in a trailer.
I don’t need to make sense nor do I have anything to prove to you patriotic non KBB believing fools.

Yea fly your stupid flag, liife has been unfair to me so I want to hate all that is American.

Love

1115
xoxoxoxoxoxox

]]> By: yarddog82abn http://www.leftlanenews.com/calif-court-to-hear-false-claims-suit-over-civic-hybrid-mileage.html/comment-page-1#comment-431334 yarddog82abn Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:25:21 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=13786#comment-431334 LOL.... He's the Stupid one believing the adds in the first place... LOL…. He’s the Stupid one believing the adds in the first place…

]]> By: injunraiv http://www.leftlanenews.com/calif-court-to-hear-false-claims-suit-over-civic-hybrid-mileage.html/comment-page-1#comment-431329 injunraiv Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:14:43 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=13786#comment-431329 Bubs, you should know logic, examples and links have no power over the ubertroll known as 1115. But sometimes it is sure fun to poke him a little, ain't it? The funny (or sad) thing here is Honda is already behind the curve with fuel economy, and now we find out their numbers may be bogus!! Wheee!! Bubs, you should know logic, examples and links have no power over the ubertroll known as 1115. But sometimes it is sure fun to poke him a little, ain’t it?

The funny (or sad) thing here is Honda is already behind the curve with fuel economy, and now we find out their numbers may be bogus!! Wheee!!

]]> By: anti-believer http://www.leftlanenews.com/calif-court-to-hear-false-claims-suit-over-civic-hybrid-mileage.html/comment-page-1#comment-431328 anti-believer Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:13:17 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=13786#comment-431328 @ moparsalesman Honda/ Toyota don't shoot people to cover shit up like GM, Ford, Chrysler and Hillary Clinton. They offer extended warrenties. @ moparsalesman

Honda/ Toyota don’t shoot people to cover **** up like GM, Ford, Chrysler and Hillary Clinton.

They offer extended warrenties.

]]> By: Bubs Solo http://www.leftlanenews.com/calif-court-to-hear-false-claims-suit-over-civic-hybrid-mileage.html/comment-page-1#comment-431323 Bubs Solo Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:03:52 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=13786#comment-431323 moparsalesman but wait this cant happen honda and toyota are the most reliable with the best resale and the best mpg. I am guessing that is supposed to be a rib at my buddy 1115 1115 is right when he says that you know. He is a little modest though.He never gives examples or backs it up with links to his sources. So I will for him, maybe then you and the other guys will stop harassing him. 2009 Camry LE V6 new vehicle purchase price $33036 Source (toyota.ca) 2009 Fusion SEL V6 new vehicle purchase price $22399 source (ford.ca) Difference $10637 for the Camry 2006 Camry LE V6 w/50000km $13801 Source(CBB at toyota.ca) 2006 Fusion SEL V6 w/50000km $12026 Source(CBB at toyota.ca) Difference $ 1775 for the Camry Camry wins!!!!! So even though the Camry depreciates much faster it still as the higher resale. moparsalesman

but wait this cant happen honda and toyota are the most reliable with the best resale and the best mpg.

I am guessing that is supposed to be a rib at my buddy 1115

1115 is right when he says that you know. He is a little modest though.He never gives examples or backs it up with links to his sources. So I will for him, maybe then you and the other guys will stop harassing him.

2009 Camry LE V6 new vehicle purchase price $33036 Source (toyota.ca)
2009 Fusion SEL V6 new vehicle purchase price $22399 source (ford.ca)
Difference $10637 for the Camry

2006 Camry LE V6 w/50000km $13801 Source(CBB at toyota.ca)
2006 Fusion SEL V6 w/50000km $12026 Source(CBB at toyota.ca)
Difference $ 1775 for the Camry

Camry wins!!!!!

So even though the Camry depreciates much faster it still as the higher resale.

]]> By: idrinorbarsaku http://www.leftlanenews.com/calif-court-to-hear-false-claims-suit-over-civic-hybrid-mileage.html/comment-page-1#comment-431321 idrinorbarsaku Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:01:47 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=13786#comment-431321 oh wow, the only reason i havent bought a honda was its trust issues with their mile-per-gallon...and now this happens!!!sometimes it pays to hold back from what you want. i am more than happy with the 33mpg(cruise at 68mph)(just fast enough to go fast, but not fast enough to get a speeding ticket where i live...i hate cops) that i get in my passat 2.0T, the window sticker says it gets 28mpg:) germans underestimate their mpgs...asians overestimate them. i think its becoming more obvious. either that or an Asian's leg is too short to actually give it as much power as we "taller" people give them on these tests oh wow, the only reason i havent bought a honda was its trust issues with their mile-per-gallon…and now this happens!!!sometimes it pays to hold back from what you want. i am more than happy with the 33mpg(cruise at 68mph)(just fast enough to go fast, but not fast enough to get a speeding ticket where i live…i hate cops) that i get in my passat 2.0T, the window sticker says it gets 28mpg:)

germans underestimate their mpgs…asians overestimate them. i think its becoming more obvious. either that or an Asian’s leg is too short to actually give it as much power as we “taller” people give them on these tests

]]> By: mayer_ray_nagin http://www.leftlanenews.com/calif-court-to-hear-false-claims-suit-over-civic-hybrid-mileage.html/comment-page-1#comment-431312 mayer_ray_nagin Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:37:03 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=13786#comment-431312 Can I sue Ron Jeremy for false claims on pëñïs enlargement drugs? Not that I have taken any. :O Can I sue Ron Jeremy for false claims on pëñïs enlargement drugs? Not that I have taken any.

:O

]]> By: coolguy8157 http://www.leftlanenews.com/calif-court-to-hear-false-claims-suit-over-civic-hybrid-mileage.html/comment-page-1#comment-431308 coolguy8157 Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:29:20 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=13786#comment-431308 Even their cylinder deactivation or whatever is not helping much....and dont even talk about the torque...:) Even their cylinder deactivation or whatever is not helping much….and dont even talk about the torque…:)

]]> By: Struggle http://www.leftlanenews.com/calif-court-to-hear-false-claims-suit-over-civic-hybrid-mileage.html/comment-page-1#comment-431306 Struggle Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:24:30 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=13786#comment-431306 Yeah I'd thrash on that car the same as any. Retards and lawsuits, hand in hand. Hell, I could get the Prius down to like 20MPG the way I drive most days. I'd better cry! Yeah I’d thrash on that car the same as any.

Retards and lawsuits, hand in hand.

Hell, I could get the Prius down to like 20MPG the way I drive most days. I’d better cry!

]]> By: Impulsive http://www.leftlanenews.com/calif-court-to-hear-false-claims-suit-over-civic-hybrid-mileage.html/comment-page-1#comment-431303 Impulsive Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:23:00 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=13786#comment-431303 I want to sue them for building oversized door stops. I want to sue them for building oversized door stops.

]]> By: drchiem http://www.leftlanenews.com/calif-court-to-hear-false-claims-suit-over-civic-hybrid-mileage.html/comment-page-1#comment-431301 drchiem Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:20:46 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=13786#comment-431301 NICE......We are going to see the same false ads about the new insight. I just can't see it to beat the Prius for EPA. NICE……We are going to see the same false ads about the new insight. I just can’t see it to beat the Prius for EPA.

]]> By: A4 http://www.leftlanenews.com/calif-court-to-hear-false-claims-suit-over-civic-hybrid-mileage.html/comment-page-1#comment-431299 A4 Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:16:48 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=13786#comment-431299 i love diving my vehicle like a regular car i love diving my vehicle like a regular car

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