sweet this is the BEST rule ever. what happens if you leased the car they seize?

I am sure this guy will be caught doing 30 over sometime in the next 5 years.

So how far will they take this? Next, they’ll have unmarked Camaro’s or even seized “modified cars” to instigate races so they can remove all enthusiasts off the streets. I hope the voters get to decide.

If speeding along at 30mph all by yourself is racing then I suppose saying something under your breath to yourself about your hot female co-worker should be considered sexual harassment.

you know, i Totally agree with Tino… What happens if the car they crush is being leased?

wow that’s brutal
i wish they went with a percentage of the max speed limit.

forget leasing you’ll probably have to pay for the car till your time.
What about renting?

I’ve always told people Canada sucks. BTW, if it’s a leased car you’ll owe every penny you always did and the lease buyout.

this dude is on crack, he has lost his mind

The worse thing is your insurance won’t pay. Hmm…they might say they can seize without a warrant, but unless there is a law that allows them to do so, they are just bull****ting.

Jon.

This is in addition to the previous law? At least this one makes sense.

you cant consider it racing if its not. according to the context of the event that caused this rule to be put into play, racing is two cars competing against each other in speed. 30 over should still be a violation but two cars racing is more dangerous. if one car is going 30 over it shouldnt be vehicle seizure and a 10k fine-thats to much government control. theyre needs to be evidence of 2 cars “racing” to charge it as racing.

Ladies and gentleman, it’s offical, Canada is the next communist country.

So whats next, are we going to go after the people that drive to slow, how about the little old grannies that should not be driving, and run someone over after forgetting which pedal is the brakes.

wait I better not say this before Canadian officals come and cut my tongue off.

Well, this is easy enough to get by. Just race up to 25 mph above the speed limit and you’re not a “Street Racer”.

IS IT STREET RACING IF YOU ARE THE ONLY CAR ON THE ROAD AT 3 AM?

OK MORON WHAT EXACTLY SUCKS ABOUT CANADA? HAVE YOU NOT SEEN THE SAME SITUATION IN PATHETIC LIBERAL CALIFORNIA?

I dunno about the rest of you but I’m a car enthusiast, I love speeding (and pay the consequences) but “street racing” really is all kinds of ghey. If you drive a performance vehicle and in the highway, you want to play a little in an open lane.. that’s one thing. Two punks in modified rice burners with wings the size of a jumbo jet and a muffler that sounds like 4 cylinder ****, I mean.. that really should be outlawed and punished severely. Not only these modded cars are unsafe (let’s face it, they weren’t modded by a Brabus engineer), two idiots proving who’s got the bigger **** adds a whole new level of endangerment to others.

I think the Canadian law is very justified. They won’t be crushing Ferraris, that’s for sure.

1. To title an act of speeding of >50 kmh as “racing” is the problem. If you’re alone it’s speeding, not racing.

2. “savedsol” and “dmanero”, you’re both primates. This has nothing to do with the country. Instead, it has to do with following rules. You don’t want to abide by the law? Pay DEARLY for your actions.

3. There is no reason anyone should be doing 50 over at any time, period.

“The move came days after a taxi driver was killed in Toronto when a Mercedes struck his cab while racing another luxury car.”

Those would be your Asians and they are a problem here too. They ruined it for everyone with their constant and blatant reckless driving.

does that mean no more “race wars”???

Deantj, why the potty mouth? What exactly is an Ozark monkey? Now get over yourself and realize the comment was made in jest. There have been a slew of articles recently pointing to draconian laws/rules/ideals dreamt up by your law community (which is no better or worse than ours fwiw). As dmanero put it – very communist minded.

Also, you ASSumed I was an American. Guess what?

another reason why Canada sucks and all Canadians are just complete jerk offs

another reason why Canada sucks and all Canadians are just complete tools

the issue, in the log run, IS speeding. what street racers don’t seem to get is that they are also putting other people’s lives in danger. there are speed limits for a reason. if you want to race…GO TO A TRACK! that’s why they’re there. most street racers are teenagres that are not skilled enough to drive slowly much less as fast as they can down a public street. if you don’t go 30 over the limit then you have nothing to worry about. i was almost rear ended by two retards doing 30 over in a pair of srt4 NEONS. that’s a whole ‘nother issue. if i got killed by a NEON i would be super pissed.

“dmanero”, you stupid and illiterate monkey … your post was a MESS. What primitive village did you come from?

There are rules in place, 50 over is unacceptable, and my view is that if you want to break this rule, which you are more than welcome to do since the vehicle has no ability to recognize and control where and when you could/should be doing certain speeds, you should pay dearly for your speeding.

I am opposed to street racing, it belongs on the track. Having said that, laws like this will not eradicate street racing. The good news is we’ll have a lot of new material for wildest police chases.

if i got killed by a NEON i would be super pissed.

Comment by leozug, posted on June26 at 12:29 pm

LMAO, HAHAHAHAHA.

Certainly Ferraris, Lambos and the like won’t be crushed, probably not just because the wealthy have connections, but I’m sure the government would, like any seized property, sell it off at auction. That would be a pretty penny. I suppose they wouldn’t even have to crush the rice rockets, but if they’re going to make modding a car illegal, it would be difficult to justify selling it back to the people for the money. All in all, that’s a stupid law too. If you’re worried about the effects of maniacal driving, then outlaw the driving, not the car.
I agree that if you want to make 30+ mph over the limit *reckless*, then go ahead, but to call that racing, you need another car. I’m all for forfeiture of a drag racing vehicle, because drag racers are definitely more hazardous than speeders.
As for forfeiting your car for going 30 over the limit? That strikes me as being too harsh, but then who needs to go that fast? And certainly I can see a point when you are going so fast, that you are definitely endangering lives. Making 30 mph over the limit the threshold doesn’t seem that unreasonable, but if you’re not endangering anyone, I don’t think you should forfeit your car.

I respect Commissioner Julian Fantino’s mind and his approach, in general, to solving problems and trying to make a difference while he’s in elected office. A thoughtful and deductive mind always sparks my interest.

That having been said, I am completely opposed to what he’s trying. While I’d enjoy conversing with him, I think he and Michael Bryant are fast becoming a public nuisance to people in Ontario.

I certainly hope it’s a scare tactic, for their sake. This is a glaring case of governing powers overstepping their bounds. Speed limits are often set lower than what road engineers originally intended. Speeding traps very often take advantage of this.

Street racing is NOT a good thing, no– at least the way I’ve seen it done these days, in the middle of regular traffic. Absolutely dangerous.

Speeding is not street racing and these two men know it. They are taking great advantage of specific problem in order to campaign against any road behavior they want to label as vice.

The owners of $90,000+ automobiles will not be targeted nearly as much as the owners of $15,000 econoboxes–profiling abound!–, but all it will take is a few months of impounding cars before individual and finally a major class action lawsuit gets thrown at the city of Ontario.

I would ask these two men, in their wisdom: what is it that Europe has been doing with speed limits, insurance rates, superhighways, public transport, road decongestion and aggressive driving that is BETTER than what we are doing right now?

ha ha funniest thing ive heard all day so now i guess ambulance speeding people t hospital are “street racing” ?? ha ha thank God i dont live in Canada.

Could canada get any more useless.

I think a lot of people are misreading these articles. Maybe I’m blind, but I’m not reading anything about actual laws being passed. Rather, these are two high ranking provincial officials in Ontario that have made extreme interpretations of existing laws. Happily, neither the Ontario Attorney General or the Ontario Provincial Police Commissioner have the power to make legally binding interpretations of the law. That’s up to an actual judge.

Unfortunately, LLN is only telling part of the story. Here’s a bit of history, on at least the most notorious of the recent street racing stories.

Late last year two people street racing in Mississauga (a suburb of Toronto) on residential street actually TRYING to hit pedestrians. In the story referred to above, LLN neglected to mention that not only was the taxi driver killed, but his two passengers (two young girls) as well. And just last week, two Americans racing their Z06’s down Hwy 400.

So out of curiosity, which of the above shouldn’t have their vehicles confiscated?

I would also appreciate it if Leftlane would learn the difference between Canada and Ontario.

this guy is an ontario police commissioner. he doesn’t have the power to pass that law he can only advocate.

In reponse to buenos, I, for one, don’t have a problem with enforcing the traffic laws on the books, which are easily adequate to deal with the street racing problems Ontario is facing. And to answer your question, none of the people should have had their vehicles confiscated, trying to hit pedestrians can (and should) get the offenders landed in jail, and actually hitting and killing pedestrians or other motorists, especially when speed, reckless driving, and/or alcohol are involved, regardless of whether or not there was intent to kill or harm can (and should) also get the offenders landed in jail. As for the Americans and their Z06s, you didn’t really tell me what they were doing so it’s hard to pass judgment. I think the main point is that these laws unfairly target and penalize those who are not necessarily doing anything wrong or even dangerous (i.e. a trick exhaust isn’t necessarily dangerous) while actually doing nothing to address the case of serious offenders. If someone I know is killed by a street racer I don’t want to see him have his car crushed, I want to see him go to jail. And the law already states that he should.

“sweet this is the BEST rule ever. what happens if you leased the car they seize?”
Comment by tino, posted on June26 at 10:07 am

The owner of the car is responsible for outstanding debt on the car (full cost of the car), lease or no lease. Its the same if a car in the US is used for drug activity. The car can be seized and the owner is responsible for paying off the entire car.

This law makes sense to combat injury and deaths of innocent people by the hands of dangerous street racers. Take the car to the track or risk loosing it. The interesting part is this proposed law doesn’t focus just on street racing. It also combats excessive speeders that aren’t racing as they are also a major contributors to severe accidents on roads. Sometimes drastic measures are needed for the ignorant masses to take notice. If this passes into law it may actually get the attention of extreme offenders.

Um, Hyperion… not to nitpick but Ontario is a Province, not a city. Think Texas, then think about 10 times bigger, and that’s the Province of Ontario.

Nowei, while I don’t disagree with you, I can’t help thinking that if a child is playing irresponsibly with a toy, in a manner that will get either himself or other injured, generally speaking the toy gets taken away. Most of the street racers are at least children on a maturity level, and if mommy and daddy won’t take it away, it leaves some agency with the task.

As for the two Americans, they were doing ap to 200 km/h at 4 p.m. on a Wednesday. One was 22, and the other was 23.

“I think the main point is that these laws unfairly target and penalize those who are not necessarily doing anything wrong or even dangerous (i.e. a trick exhaust isn’t necessarily dangerous) while actually doing nothing to address the case of serious offenders. If someone I know is killed by a street racer I don’t want to see him have his car crushed, I want to see him go to jail. And the law already states that he should.”
Comment by nowei, posted on June26 at 2:55 pm

nowei, I think you may have missed the point. This proposed law doesnt target or penalize someone with a “trick” exhaust. Its purely about speed. The proposed law targets equally whether that speeder is in a tricked out car or a stock car. How can you say it does “nothing to address the case of serious offenders”? Taking the car away from an excessive speeder takes the ability to speed out of the hands of the offender. There are other laws on the books to put the speeder in jail and fine them. But when they get out they go back to speeding unless the car is taken away. This law is in addition to the other laws on the books as they arent effective enough to curb the excessive speeding problem. If someone you know is killed by a street racer then you will see the car being crushed as to not get in the hands of another street racer and the person will go to prison – hopefully for life.

The reason this law could actually be effective is it targets something the offenders actually care about – their cars. Laws sending them to jail for a month for speeding, paying a fine or even prison for killing someone doesnt bother a racer. The dim witted racers thin they are the best drivers in the world. Their egos are bigger than their bank accounts and they dont think they will every get in an accident or hurt anyone. So they dont fear going to prison for killing an innocent person. A little jail time or a fine for speeding is just an inconvenience to a street racer. He can always get another minimum wage job when he gets out of his 60 day jail sentence for speeding. Thats why the current laws dont stop the racing. But if you threaten to crush their car, then the racers will think twice. The just sunk their entire paycheck into a car so they arent going to risk getting it crushed. Maybe they will pony up a couple bucks to take the race to a local track instead of risking having the car crushed. Ita all about having a law in place that is effective at curbing the crime. This one could actually work where the others have failed.

How stupid to give this warning, now people will be going 29.9 over the speed limit…it gets technical

1. Any chance that we get some moderation on “Canada sucks vs. US sucks” comments?

2. Whether street racing is defined as 30+mph alone or it is speed + 2 cars – street racing is a “reckless driving” / “driving to endanger” and I fully support seizing of his or her car, fine and whatever else that is necessary to punish the moron(s) for life for putting innocent lives at risk. The only exception is highway, where there is usually noone outside of his or her car, and all cars are already driving at speeds incompatible with a human life in case of an accident.

3. State inspection should address the topic of modified vehicles. If a vehicle does not pass, for whatever reason – it should not be on the road. Crushing modified vehicles is excessive; instead, an owner can have his or her vehicle registration revoked until the vehicle is not complying with state or federal regulations. If modifications cannot be undone, then… you’re out of luck.

4. Laws related to seizure of property have nothing to do with Canada becoming communist or not. So-very-anticommunist U.S. has similar or actual further-reaching 5th ammendment!

First just have all vehicles with a 80mph limiter then. Problem solved, to be honest there is no reason for a regular citizen short of EMS, local FD’s and PD’s to go any faster than 70. You can argue all you want but how does going over 80 help anyone non essential life threatning cituation help anyone on public roads?

I’m not so sure that the police WOULDN’T be targeting high priced cars – in Vancouver at least, the most dangerous street racers weren’t the guys racing some clapped out civic which they had poured all of their hard-earned Burger King wages into, it was the pampered rich ass Asian kids without a clue whose mommies and daddies went and bought them a brand new BMW, Merc, RSX, EVO, STi, etc.

It may be a sweeping generalisation, but a logical one; if you’re a not-so-well-to-do kid who has modded your car yourself then you’d be much less inclined to risk throwing it all away pulling stupid stunts, whereas if you’re some bored rich kid with playing with your latest toy you couldn’t care less because you know there’s always a replacement in the wings if something goes wrong.

I know that if I were the authorities I’d love to snatch some nice satellite-kid owned rides and crush/aution them off as I see fit…but being the socially conscious type, I’ suggest that they both impound (not crush or sieze outright) the cars while introducing immediate license suspensions/bans for speed violatiors as well as increasing the driving age to 18 (take the damn bus to your damn job at Burger King!) and making it harder for foreigners to obtain Canadian licenses (mandatory driver’s ed followed by a driver’s test – no conversions). That’d slow ‘em punks down har har!

My last trip to Toronto from Michigan, I snapped a pic with my camera phone and sent it to a friend of mine…the spedo read 158 Kilometers (2006 CTS) on the 401. I wasn’t racing, just making good time in my leased Cadillac.

“Driven” you make a good point that this “Law” is only directed at people racing down streets. but we both know that police pull over cars that have been modified purely to inspect the car and find some fault just so they can write up a tick or waste the drivers time.

I for one am all for making the streets safe. But you and I both know street racing will never stop. Next thing you know they’ll pass a law stating any car modified will be confiscated and crushed. Now I for one would hate that to happen seeing I have modified my car for not only performance and handling but for show purposes and valued threes times for what I paid for it new. I have never raced my car, even though I’ve had invitations, yet I still get pulled over and have a cops write me up a ticket for improper engine modifications, which I have argue in Court countless times.

Right now there is no solution for the problem, and from what I can tell so far it’s be luxury cars and high performance cars in the latest deaths, not modified cars.

Now also before I stop, someone mention take the racing to the tracks and not on the streets, well that’s all good and well, but here in Toronto the nearest track it some 4 hours away and then only available at certain times.

=========>>”Two punks in modified rice burners with wings the size of a jumbo jet and a muffler that sounds like 4 cylinder ****, I mean.. that really should be outlawed and punished severely. two idiots proving who’s got the bigger **** adds a whole new level of endangerment to others” Comment by Wickedated
========>>Wickedated, i have a STOCK wing the size of St. Louis Arc, with a STOCK 4cyl. muffler that sounds like pure 2.4liters of butter, and i SURELY love to git beside my homegurl in her ‘05mustang GT and squeal out with 2open lanes, cuz its called PURE FUN in my book….i don’t know what kinda fun you like to have, it must B pickin your nose…..and no, i never killed anybody, and NEVER had a speeding ticket…

Speed limits should not be expressed numerically. The limit should be as fast as you can drive safely. Daylite on dry open road, that might be 125. Snowy night, might be 25

SRT your comment shows the exact mentality that gets these racers into trouble & eventually injury an innocent driver on the street.

If you never had a speeding ticket becuase you never speed then you arent racing, just peeling out. If you never had a speeding ticket becuase you’ve been lucky not to be caught then you are just another stupid kid that thinks he knows it all but really knows nothing. You have never killed anybody, yet. If you are racing on the streets you have just been lucky not to have caused an accident. You cant account for all the other drivers on the street no matter how safe you think you are or how good a driver you think you are. Your comments show how little you know about the world outside your car.

Thank you for proving the point that drivers egos are bigger than their brains and they make the streets unsafe.

========>>Driven, i never had a speeing ticket because i DO obey speedlimits (almost) everywhere i go, truthfully….no i’m not michael schumacher, but i do know and KNOW HOW TO HANDLE the limits of my FF car when over the speedlimit… the fact is, i street race RESPONSIBLY, not in the middle of traffic like a dummy…..now as an American, i DARE somebody to confiscate & crush my Mopar material….

SRT- first off, that ricer-in-a-box you drive is not Mopar. its a Neon with a turbocharger. and Driven is totally right, and you helped prove him right. argueing that you KNOW HOW TO HANDLE the limits isnt the issue. theyre saying that accidents happen at speed and thats what gets people killed, not questioning the driving ability of the average canadian (or american). you may very well be the most talented 16 year old driver this side of the Rio Grande, but it doesnt mean you are infalible in your driving.

respectfully- Davin

J-Ro- very good point as well

If they’re going to fine you $10,000 and crush your car, might as well just wreck it trying to run from the cops, perhaps kill a few people on the way. I’m not condoning this, but it’ll happen. People breaking outrageous laws will take outrageous risks to avoid the outrageous penalties.

=======>>J-Ro: good logistical thinking…….and Dav is Dead: you are totally missing my point. my point is, a literal 65year old driving a lincoln Town car can literally drive 30 over and end up killing somebody. would they take his car? no. thank you. its all about responsibility. and whether i race on the track, the street, (which i do both), i’m responsible with it. now reat my illustration up above over again. and no i’m not 16, i’m 18. AND armed with performance classes….

——–>>the fact remains that the law (if passed) is just illogical and stupid.

Anything that keeps those irritating ****headed racers off the road is okay by me.

All this talk of gravy, bumble bees and flying kites is wonderful but we’re talking about a law that should be instituted to SEVERELY punish ANYONE who exceeds the speed limit by 50 kmh. You shouldn’t be doing it, you are being warned, so be prepared for the consequences. Speeding can lead to unnecessary mishaps which could and should be avoided by addressing the issue now before more innocent people die.

All this talk about perceptions, rapists, bald tires and intellectualism is pointless. We might as well discuss politics, rule of law, statistics and psychology but we won’t.

If someone killed a loved one of mine due to speeding (which is the issue at hand), if consequences were no more than a wrist-slap as I believe they are now, I’d kill the person, literally.

The problem I have with mandated safety and emissions inspections are that they absolutely make it impossible to put together a vehicle in a configuration of your own choosing. Unless a modification is “approved” then it is illegal. You can even pass the required tailpipe emissions but an inpsector can still fail your car because the engine bay visually differs from a diagram of that model car.

Now, why should any normal person do something so drastic as to modify the engine in their car? Well, myself as an example:

1) I cannot afford a new $30k car that has 300+ horsepower, which is what all of the good examples cost these days.
2) I don’t like the poor handling of the cheapest “fast” cars available — Mustangs and Camaros — so I like to get creative: I like to find a car that handles well and find another engine that produces as much power as I want and put the two together.

Believe it or not, sometimes a Corvette or Miata isn’t a cure-all for everyone. Some of us have odd tastes in automobiles. Is it a crime to want to build a custom car?

Impulsive, if you think that traveling over 70mph on a highway somehow constitutes criminal insanity on the part of a driver, feel free not to exceed 70mph by any margin. 80mph is common, but it’s still illegal. 85mph is common, but still illegal. 90mph is not as common, but I still see a few cars traveling at or passing other cars at 90mph at least once every trip I take onto highways.

If this is pretty common practice, why on earth is the speed limit still 65-70mph nationally? Cars today are much improved since the 1970’s, when exceeding 70mph in anything but a Ferrari was probably dangerous.

You can call this discussion “intellectualism” all you want. It doesn’t change the fact that people usually drive about 85mph on highways today and yet the speed limits have not been updated to reflect what most drivers would naturally do.

There are some extreme cases of deaths as a result of speeding, yes, but the system in place is far from a perfect governance of driving behavior. Until speed limits are updated to reflect real world driving conditions, I remain a skeptic.

=========>>Everybody on here chastising anyone who speeds, get a grip! What about boneheads who drive around on bald tires? They’re just as unsafe as anyone else. Should they have their car crushed if their bald tires lead to a winter time accident? or they hydroplane a puddle and kill someone?? Speeding is speeding. Manslaughter is manslaughter. They’re penalties that fit each crime. Getting fined & punished for manslaughter when the only crime they committed was speeding is straight injustice. Thanx Piablo for literally reading my mind.

Thank God I’m no Canadian

Canada could make a good need for speed title….great police chases!!

I love it how all these people write “Canada sucks” when this is a law in Ontario. And we wonder why my fellow Americans get a bad name.

Crush their car, I don’t want to die just enjoying an evening drive.

Crush them all.

Take your car to the track and die by yourself.

Maybe you should jail them for life. Crush their car, sure. But they’ll just get another and speed again! I’d try them for attempted murder and send them to the Gulag. Friggin speeders…

Maybe Canada should ban all gears in a car beyond 3rd. 4th, 5th and 6th gear are now outlawed! That’ll teach ‘em. In fact, just ban cars all together up there. You guys are pretty chock-full of global warming advocates, you’d be solving 2 problems at once.

=========>>lol Piablo, make’em ride around on dog-sleds…..

Driven, I might clarify a couple of my statements.

When I was referring to the exhaust I was referring more to the previous article where the Attorney General said the police had the power to seize and crush modified cars.

And, I’m not sure if you’re Canadian or not, but in the case that you’re not I should explain that the problem with this new law is not really something that’s specific to a street racing problem in Ontario but rather a problem with the justice system in Canada. Simply put, for whatever reason a lot of the laws that are on the books are not being effectively enforced. A good example, and unrelated to street racing, would be the Mayerthorpe Incident, where James Roszko shot and killed 4 RCMP officers with an illegal assault weapon. This man had a violent criminal history including 36 charges and 12 convictions. Now why wasn’t this man in jail? Especially since he’s pretty much the poster boy for a “dangerous offender,” which is a classification in Canada that allows a felon to be detained pretty much indefinitely.

Really, this street racing law is more about public relations than anything else. It allows the legislative arm of government to look involved when really this is just another law that’s going to be as ineffective as the ones already on the books. How do I know this, because this law is essentially a duplicate law.

Except for the fact that the new stance on street racing is dependent upon something called the Civil Remedies Act, which allows law enforcement to seize property “acquired through unlawful activity, to prevent property from being used in further unlawful activities” and is not actually dependent on a conviction, which isn’t necessarily a universally bad thing. The proposed interpretation of the law in this instance, however, means the moment a driver is charged with street racing, before he even sees the inside of a courtroom, the police have the power to seize and destroy his vehicle.

Now, I suppose in a society where the court system is somewhat ineffective it makes a lot of sense to implement what is essentially a form of vigilante justice, but that doesn’t make it right.

Also, with regard to the “take it to the track” argument. Has no one suggested the possibility of governments taking an active role in providing race tracks as public infrastructure?

For example, the Nurburgring is a public toll road. And, to the best of my knowledge nothing like that exists.

Because I don’t know what the situation is like in Ontario, but I know in my neck of the woods, which is Edmonton (a metro area of roughly one million) the only track, which is just a dragstrip, is probably about 40-60 minutes from city centre.

And, for the record, I’m not a street racer.

read: “exists in north america”

Nowei – Nice post. To add to your thoughts on “vigilante justice”, I would whole heartedly agree. I think we all know who this law is directed towards; the teenage-twenty somethings driving the coffee can muffler imports. Next to ’soccer moms’, they could be the 2nd most hated group of drivers. So it’s time to single them out by confiscating and crushing their vehicles, for speeding?? I would love to see them confiscate a $120K S500 from a business man who was speeding. But I think we all can agree that would never happen. And before anyone says otherwise, the wealthy DO speed. This has nothing to do with people breaking the law, or what is safe, or what a reasonable speed is. It has everything to do with singling out a specific class.

It’s all fine and dandy to watch a kid’s car get confiscated because some of you don’t care for rich asians or yo boys with their pimped out rides. But someday, the bully will come after you as well, and I think you’ll change your tune.

=========>>whooooooooweeeeee…..GOT’DANG Piablo got a good head on his shoulders….NOBODY couldn’t have sayd it better…

so let me get this straight Mercedes were racing but they wanna crush the civics? leave it to rich people with no brains and dumba** canadians to screw everythig up

Wow, amazing how all the stories get jumbled up into one. The cops are targetting street racing, which tends to involve heavily modified civics, etc. The recent bunch of incidents/accidents/homocide/suicides, however you want to classify them involved a number of vehicles, including two modified Corvettes, racing at 4 p.m. on a busy highway, 1 BMW – that one killed the two back seat occupants, who were ejected from the vehicle – not wearing seatbelts, a trucker who was killed trying to avoid two street racing vehicles, and three occupants of a taxi who were killed when it was hit by a 15 year old in a stolen Mercedes. And one partridge in a pear tree.

Hmm, I wonder if Deantj is representative of a typical Canadian? I would hope not. I happen to like Canada for the most part, spent many o’ fun nights on Clifton Hill… Either way, last I knew Deantj said he lived in New York City, was a doctor practicing TWO sub specialties, and also completed a thesis on the environment. I suppose we can be anything we want when it comes to the internet. What are you today Deantj? A Fireman? A rock star? Maybe you’re Mexican. Oops, you won’t be Mexican until it’s convenient to the argument. We shall wait.

And my thesis on the environment was after my BSc. in physiology. Gives me the edge when I “discuss” (more like dictate in a monologue) the environmental issues with some of the ignorati on this board. Ignorati like yourself!!!

A good laugh right before bed.

Oh, and Clifton Hill is our (Ontario) side of the border at the Falls.

I see you feel compelled to defend yourself. ‘Thou doth protest too much’, as they say. I await the announcement of your doctoral thesis on engine mechanics the next time we debate the merits of a BMW straight six.

Never heard of Clifton Hill? Hmm. Don’t worry, I didn’t think you would. Catch ya later Doc.

Not really compelled, as much as trolling or entertainment….

Sadly, I never did a thesis on engine mechanics, although I sense by your written tone that you would fist your bell-end furiously over that one if you had the chance.

One last thing Piablo – I asked around the metropolis I reside in, and no one really knows where Clifton Hill is, or even heard of it. You know, besides newly wed muslims and geezers on welfare, I don’t know too many people that visit Niagar Falls. I guess that’s more your destination, right? LOL!

Haha, Deantj if you weren’t such a pig, I might enjoy our bantering. When you were polling, (yes, pun intended) your local metropolis residents did you happen to be carrying a microphone?? Or at least a note pad to keep track? Maybe you ran into Superman or his alter ego, Clark Kent.

Clifton Hill is actually fun. I’m sure Impulsive can attest to that. The question is, does Impulsive frequent Mints, or Peppermints? I haven’t been there in some time. But I tell ya, Niagara On the Lake is also very fun in January during the ice wine festival. Trius Red is one of the best wines I’ve had period. If you haven’t visited one of the ten natural wonders of the world, I suggest you take time out from your next college degree and go visit the Falls.

LOL!!!! Amen Deantj.

Piablo, honestly you’re really boring. Peddle the rhetoric elsewhere.

Deanster?? Are you kidding me?? Inventing new profiles to support yourself??

LOSER!!!!!

Wow. I think you just called me a taddle tale. LMAO! Now I know you are a child. Am I spoiling your fun here? Is it fun to spell out naughty words and talk about masturbating and penises? Take some of your ritalin, and listen up. While I haven’t reported one person here yet, maybe I could start with you. Make it my mission to get you banned. I really don’t think freedom of speech was meant to protect vulgar, pubescent pigs such as yourself. It was really created for speech with real intellectual merit, something you might someday achieve if your pint-sized brain hasn’t already maxed out. LOL! Founding fathers, protectors of society’s problem children, and even internet trolls masquerading as Canadian doctors! Maybe you could invent another profile and have a fresh start. See how long you can go without being a vulgar pig…what, maybe 5 minutes?!