LOSER!!!!!

Piablo, honestly you’re really boring. Peddle the rhetoric elsewhere.

Clifton Hill is actually fun. I’m sure Impulsive can attest to that. The question is, does Impulsive frequent Mints, or Peppermints? I haven’t been there in some time. But I tell ya, Niagara On the Lake is also very fun in January during the ice wine festival. Trius Red is one of the best wines I’ve had period. If you haven’t visited one of the ten natural wonders of the world, I suggest you take time out from your next college degree and go visit the Falls.

Sadly, I never did a thesis on engine mechanics, although I sense by your written tone that you would fist your bell-end furiously over that one if you had the chance.

One last thing Piablo – I asked around the metropolis I reside in, and no one really knows where Clifton Hill is, or even heard of it. You know, besides newly wed muslims and geezers on welfare, I don’t know too many people that visit Niagar Falls. I guess that’s more your destination, right? LOL!

Never heard of Clifton Hill? Hmm. Don’t worry, I didn’t think you would. Catch ya later Doc.

It’s all fine and dandy to watch a kid’s car get confiscated because some of you don’t care for rich asians or yo boys with their pimped out rides. But someday, the bully will come after you as well, and I think you’ll change your tune.

For example, the Nurburgring is a public toll road. And, to the best of my knowledge nothing like that exists.

Because I don’t know what the situation is like in Ontario, but I know in my neck of the woods, which is Edmonton (a metro area of roughly one million) the only track, which is just a dragstrip, is probably about 40-60 minutes from city centre.

And, for the record, I’m not a street racer.

When I was referring to the exhaust I was referring more to the previous article where the Attorney General said the police had the power to seize and crush modified cars.

And, I’m not sure if you’re Canadian or not, but in the case that you’re not I should explain that the problem with this new law is not really something that’s specific to a street racing problem in Ontario but rather a problem with the justice system in Canada. Simply put, for whatever reason a lot of the laws that are on the books are not being effectively enforced. A good example, and unrelated to street racing, would be the Mayerthorpe Incident, where James Roszko shot and killed 4 RCMP officers with an illegal assault weapon. This man had a violent criminal history including 36 charges and 12 convictions. Now why wasn’t this man in jail? Especially since he’s pretty much the poster boy for a “dangerous offender,” which is a classification in Canada that allows a felon to be detained pretty much indefinitely.

Really, this street racing law is more about public relations than anything else. It allows the legislative arm of government to look involved when really this is just another law that’s going to be as ineffective as the ones already on the books. How do I know this, because this law is essentially a duplicate law.

Except for the fact that the new stance on street racing is dependent upon something called the Civil Remedies Act, which allows law enforcement to seize property “acquired through unlawful activity, to prevent property from being used in further unlawful activities” and is not actually dependent on a conviction, which isn’t necessarily a universally bad thing. The proposed interpretation of the law in this instance, however, means the moment a driver is charged with street racing, before he even sees the inside of a courtroom, the police have the power to seize and destroy his vehicle.

Now, I suppose in a society where the court system is somewhat ineffective it makes a lot of sense to implement what is essentially a form of vigilante justice, but that doesn’t make it right.

Maybe Canada should ban all gears in a car beyond 3rd. 4th, 5th and 6th gear are now outlawed! That’ll teach ‘em. In fact, just ban cars all together up there. You guys are pretty chock-full of global warming advocates, you’d be solving 2 problems at once.

Crush them all.

Take your car to the track and die by yourself.

If this is pretty common practice, why on earth is the speed limit still 65-70mph nationally? Cars today are much improved since the 1970′s, when exceeding 70mph in anything but a Ferrari was probably dangerous.

You can call this discussion “intellectualism” all you want. It doesn’t change the fact that people usually drive about 85mph on highways today and yet the speed limits have not been updated to reflect what most drivers would naturally do.

There are some extreme cases of deaths as a result of speeding, yes, but the system in place is far from a perfect governance of driving behavior. Until speed limits are updated to reflect real world driving conditions, I remain a skeptic.

Now, why should any normal person do something so drastic as to modify the engine in their car? Well, myself as an example:

1) I cannot afford a new $30k car that has 300+ horsepower, which is what all of the good examples cost these days.
2) I don’t like the poor handling of the cheapest “fast” cars available — Mustangs and Camaros — so I like to get creative: I like to find a car that handles well and find another engine that produces as much power as I want and put the two together.

Believe it or not, sometimes a Corvette or Miata isn’t a cure-all for everyone. Some of us have odd tastes in automobiles. Is it a crime to want to build a custom car?

All this talk about perceptions, rapists, bald tires and intellectualism is pointless. We might as well discuss politics, rule of law, statistics and psychology but we won’t.

If someone killed a loved one of mine due to speeding (which is the issue at hand), if consequences were no more than a wrist-slap as I believe they are now, I’d kill the person, literally.

respectfully- Davin

If you never had a speeding ticket becuase you never speed then you arent racing, just peeling out. If you never had a speeding ticket becuase you’ve been lucky not to be caught then you are just another stupid kid that thinks he knows it all but really knows nothing. You have never killed anybody, yet. If you are racing on the streets you have just been lucky not to have caused an accident. You cant account for all the other drivers on the street no matter how safe you think you are or how good a driver you think you are. Your comments show how little you know about the world outside your car.

Thank you for proving the point that drivers egos are bigger than their brains and they make the streets unsafe.

I for one am all for making the streets safe. But you and I both know street racing will never stop. Next thing you know they’ll pass a law stating any car modified will be confiscated and crushed. Now I for one would hate that to happen seeing I have modified my car for not only performance and handling but for show purposes and valued threes times for what I paid for it new. I have never raced my car, even though I’ve had invitations, yet I still get pulled over and have a cops write me up a ticket for improper engine modifications, which I have argue in Court countless times.

Right now there is no solution for the problem, and from what I can tell so far it’s be luxury cars and high performance cars in the latest deaths, not modified cars.

Now also before I stop, someone mention take the racing to the tracks and not on the streets, well that’s all good and well, but here in Toronto the nearest track it some 4 hours away and then only available at certain times.

It may be a sweeping generalisation, but a logical one; if you’re a not-so-well-to-do kid who has modded your car yourself then you’d be much less inclined to risk throwing it all away pulling stupid stunts, whereas if you’re some bored rich kid with playing with your latest toy you couldn’t care less because you know there’s always a replacement in the wings if something goes wrong.

I know that if I were the authorities I’d love to snatch some nice satellite-kid owned rides and crush/aution them off as I see fit…but being the socially conscious type, I’ suggest that they both impound (not crush or sieze outright) the cars while introducing immediate license suspensions/bans for speed violatiors as well as increasing the driving age to 18 (take the damn bus to your damn job at Burger King!) and making it harder for foreigners to obtain Canadian licenses (mandatory driver’s ed followed by a driver’s test – no conversions). That’d slow ‘em punks down har har!

2. Whether street racing is defined as 30+mph alone or it is speed + 2 cars – street racing is a “reckless driving” / “driving to endanger” and I fully support seizing of his or her car, fine and whatever else that is necessary to punish the moron(s) for life for putting innocent lives at risk. The only exception is highway, where there is usually noone outside of his or her car, and all cars are already driving at speeds incompatible with a human life in case of an accident.

3. State inspection should address the topic of modified vehicles. If a vehicle does not pass, for whatever reason – it should not be on the road. Crushing modified vehicles is excessive; instead, an owner can have his or her vehicle registration revoked until the vehicle is not complying with state or federal regulations. If modifications cannot be undone, then… you’re out of luck.

4. Laws related to seizure of property have nothing to do with Canada becoming communist or not. So-very-anticommunist U.S. has similar or actual further-reaching 5th ammendment!

nowei, I think you may have missed the point. This proposed law doesnt target or penalize someone with a “trick” exhaust. Its purely about speed. The proposed law targets equally whether that speeder is in a tricked out car or a stock car. How can you say it does “nothing to address the case of serious offenders”? Taking the car away from an excessive speeder takes the ability to speed out of the hands of the offender. There are other laws on the books to put the speeder in jail and fine them. But when they get out they go back to speeding unless the car is taken away. This law is in addition to the other laws on the books as they arent effective enough to curb the excessive speeding problem. If someone you know is killed by a street racer then you will see the car being crushed as to not get in the hands of another street racer and the person will go to prison – hopefully for life.

The reason this law could actually be effective is it targets something the offenders actually care about – their cars. Laws sending them to jail for a month for speeding, paying a fine or even prison for killing someone doesnt bother a racer. The dim witted racers thin they are the best drivers in the world. Their egos are bigger than their bank accounts and they dont think they will every get in an accident or hurt anyone. So they dont fear going to prison for killing an innocent person. A little jail time or a fine for speeding is just an inconvenience to a street racer. He can always get another minimum wage job when he gets out of his 60 day jail sentence for speeding. Thats why the current laws dont stop the racing. But if you threaten to crush their car, then the racers will think twice. The just sunk their entire paycheck into a car so they arent going to risk getting it crushed. Maybe they will pony up a couple bucks to take the race to a local track instead of risking having the car crushed. Ita all about having a law in place that is effective at curbing the crime. This one could actually work where the others have failed.

As for the two Americans, they were doing ap to 200 km/h at 4 p.m. on a Wednesday. One was 22, and the other was 23.