Comments on: CAW to Big Three: We won’t accept a two-tier wage system http://www.leftlanenews.com/caw-to-big-three-we-wont-accept-a-two-tier-wage-system.html Car news, reviews, and specs for the auto-industry Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:20:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: jackjimturkey http://www.leftlanenews.com/caw-to-big-three-we-wont-accept-a-two-tier-wage-system.html#comment-368653 jackjimturkey Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:02:44 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/caw-to-big-three-we-wont-accept-a-two-tier-wage-system.html#comment-368653 G stop your whining. G stop your whining.

]]> By: jabari http://www.leftlanenews.com/caw-to-big-three-we-wont-accept-a-two-tier-wage-system.html#comment-368560 jabari Thu, 27 Mar 2008 05:31:14 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/caw-to-big-three-we-wont-accept-a-two-tier-wage-system.html#comment-368560 Sharpie if youre a professional making less than $28 an hour, sucks for you, do mortgages or something. G you dumbass 'tard union workers start at $14.80 and it take 3 years to reach that level, Deanster why would you want people to lose their job, sounds like hate, and i agree with Buzz not wanting to be the George Bush of the CAW, after all that i see ALOT of production shifting back to the US because of our shitty dollar, Vive Mexico Bitches because thats where everybodys job is going. Sharpie if youre a professional making less than $28 an hour, sucks for you, do mortgages or something. G you dumbass ‘tard union workers start at $14.80 and it take 3 years to reach that level, Deanster why would you want people to lose their job, sounds like hate, and i agree with Buzz not wanting to be the George Bush of the CAW, after all that i see ALOT of production shifting back to the US because of our shitty dollar, Vive Mexico Bitches because thats where everybodys job is going.

]]> By: G http://www.leftlanenews.com/caw-to-big-three-we-wont-accept-a-two-tier-wage-system.html#comment-368477 G Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:57:50 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/caw-to-big-three-we-wont-accept-a-two-tier-wage-system.html#comment-368477 Cookie4me: "Canada and Mexico liked NAFTA while it favored them and now that the roles are reversed it will be funny to see how they cry "it is so unfair!". " Are you insane? You're talking about Canada and Mexico as if they're somehow in the same league. Have you been down to Mexico and up to Canada? Crossing the border to Mexico seems like you're going to a third world country, unless you're in a resort area. A lot of Canadian cities seem advanced when compared to a lot of US cities. And NAFTA still favors Mexico tremendously in terms of cheap labor and products. It's only Canada that's changed due to the exchange rate. (And for those of you old enough to remember, the Canadian dollar used to always be higher than the US dollar until around ... 25 years ago) Or did you think that Canadians were nothing but a bunch of Eskimos living in Igloos, driving their Big Three snowmobiles to work? $28/hour STARTING to work on an assembly line, along with their ridiculous benefits, is the biggest bullshit. Those fucking unionized autoworkers deserve to take it up the ass. $14/hour + benefits seems more than reasonable. I just managed to get a position as a Project Manager, and I'm a little underqualified so I'm starting at a lowered salary, but with the hours I'll be working I won't near $28/hour for at least 2-3 years or so probably. And that's what they START at for a 9-5 factory job, + OT. The only day(s) I'll ever work a 9-5 is if I'm in the office on a Sat or Sun! (No OT there!) And that would make it my 6th or 7th work day of the week, while those bloody CAW boys are relaxing at a bbq sipping on beer! Cookie4me: “Canada and Mexico liked NAFTA while it favored them and now that the roles are reversed it will be funny to see how they cry “it is so unfair!”. ”

Are you insane? You’re talking about Canada and Mexico as if they’re somehow in the same league. Have you been down to Mexico and up to Canada? Crossing the border to Mexico seems like you’re going to a third world country, unless you’re in a resort area. A lot of Canadian cities seem advanced when compared to a lot of US cities. And NAFTA still favors Mexico tremendously in terms of cheap labor and products. It’s only Canada that’s changed due to the exchange rate. (And for those of you old enough to remember, the Canadian dollar used to always be higher than the US dollar until around … 25 years ago) Or did you think that Canadians were nothing but a bunch of Eskimos living in Igloos, driving their Big Three snowmobiles to work?

$28/hour STARTING to work on an assembly line, along with their ridiculous benefits, is the biggest bullshit. Those fucking unionized autoworkers deserve to take it up the ass. $14/hour + benefits seems more than reasonable.

I just managed to get a position as a Project Manager, and I’m a little underqualified so I’m starting at a lowered salary, but with the hours I’ll be working I won’t near $28/hour for at least 2-3 years or so probably. And that’s what they START at for a 9-5 factory job, + OT. The only day(s) I’ll ever work a 9-5 is if I’m in the office on a Sat or Sun! (No OT there!) And that would make it my 6th or 7th work day of the week, while those bloody CAW boys are relaxing at a bbq sipping on beer!

]]> By: sharpie http://www.leftlanenews.com/caw-to-big-three-we-wont-accept-a-two-tier-wage-system.html#comment-368456 sharpie Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:59:21 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/caw-to-big-three-we-wont-accept-a-two-tier-wage-system.html#comment-368456 $28 / hour for factory work is quite a bit. Not many hourly professions can pull that kind of wage and when you are hourly, they have to pay overtime, making it even better than some management positions on salary where they work anywhere from 40-70 hours a week without OT. I do think $14 is probably entry level wage with room to go up, perhaps $16-$17 is more reasonable. Outside of the CAW, I don't know of any company not using some tier wage system and pay all employees the same wage. Maybe it's time to computerize assembly lines. And NAFTA is an agreement, which can be revoked, especially by the stronger economy. I am sure if there was that 3 out of 4 cars has to be made in Canada requirement, Congress will fix that if it is a choice between NAFTA or having one of the Big Three folded. $28 / hour for factory work is quite a bit. Not many hourly professions can pull that kind of wage and when you are hourly, they have to pay overtime, making it even better than some management positions on salary where they work anywhere from 40-70 hours a week without OT. I do think $14 is probably entry level wage with room to go up, perhaps $16-$17 is more reasonable. Outside of the CAW, I don’t know of any company not using some tier wage system and pay all employees the same wage. Maybe it’s time to computerize assembly lines.

And NAFTA is an agreement, which can be revoked, especially by the stronger economy. I am sure if there was that 3 out of 4 cars has to be made in Canada requirement, Congress will fix that if it is a choice between NAFTA or having one of the Big Three folded.

]]> By: MercMark http://www.leftlanenews.com/caw-to-big-three-we-wont-accept-a-two-tier-wage-system.html#comment-368451 MercMark Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:04:44 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/caw-to-big-three-we-wont-accept-a-two-tier-wage-system.html#comment-368451 There goes the Canadian auto industry. Chrysler was probably going to close whatever it had there anyway. I'd hate to be an autoworker in the US or Canada. There goes the Canadian auto industry.
Chrysler was probably going to close whatever it had there anyway.
I’d hate to be an autoworker in the US or Canada.

]]> By: SS4LIFE http://www.leftlanenews.com/caw-to-big-three-we-wont-accept-a-two-tier-wage-system.html#comment-368438 SS4LIFE Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:59:47 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/caw-to-big-three-we-wont-accept-a-two-tier-wage-system.html#comment-368438 ATTENTION EVERYONE. As of todau 3/26/08 I will no longer be posting comments on here due to the lack of maturity, and problems of whoever is using our LLN handles and trying to impersonate me and anyone else, and therefore causing problems. If any comments after this post are said by my handle, they will have a hyperlink to a gay porn site (Do not click on it) and are deemed offensive to anyone just know it wasn't said by the real me. After using LLN over the past 7 months, it's sad it's come to this. Good luck everyone. ATTENTION EVERYONE. As of todau 3/26/08 I will no longer be posting comments on here due to the lack of maturity, and problems of whoever is using our LLN handles and trying to impersonate me and anyone else, and therefore causing problems.

If any comments after this post are said by my handle, they will have a hyperlink to a gay porn site (Do not click on it) and are deemed offensive to anyone just know it wasn’t said by the real me. After using LLN over the past 7 months, it’s sad it’s come to this. Good luck everyone.

]]> By: cookie4me http://www.leftlanenews.com/caw-to-big-three-we-wont-accept-a-two-tier-wage-system.html#comment-368427 cookie4me Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:51:10 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/caw-to-big-three-we-wont-accept-a-two-tier-wage-system.html#comment-368427 Commodore, I doubt the American auto manufacturers are bound by NAFTA to produce cars there. Even if it is true, one could make a business case for closing them up and shifting production to the US where there is plenty of idle factories and idle workers. Canada would have to think twice because demand would quickly outstrip supply and send thousands across the borders to purchase US spec cars. Canada and Mexico liked NAFTA while it favored them and now that the roles are reversed it will be funny to see how they cry "it is so unfair!". Inspire hit it on the nose, its all about image. I hope they strike for 6 months because I don't think the US companies have much to lose as they probably have just as much inventory in Canada as they do here plus they make less profit ( or use to ) on Canadian cars. Commodore,
I doubt the American auto manufacturers are bound by NAFTA to produce cars there. Even if it is true, one could make a business case for closing them up and shifting production to the US where there is plenty of idle factories and idle workers. Canada would have to think twice because demand would quickly outstrip supply and send thousands across the borders to purchase US spec cars. Canada and Mexico liked NAFTA while it favored them and now that the roles are reversed it will be funny to see how they cry “it is so unfair!”.

Inspire hit it on the nose, its all about image. I hope they strike for 6 months because I don’t think the US companies have much to lose as they probably have just as much inventory in Canada as they do here plus they make less profit ( or use to ) on Canadian cars.

]]> By: Commodore http://www.leftlanenews.com/caw-to-big-three-we-wont-accept-a-two-tier-wage-system.html#comment-368416 Commodore Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:28:04 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/caw-to-big-three-we-wont-accept-a-two-tier-wage-system.html#comment-368416 There is some sort of rule though that for every 4 cars the big three sells in Canada, at least three have to be produced there or something like that. It is a NAFTA-like trade agreement or something...so if the Big 3 sell 200,000 cars in Canada in a year, at least 150,000 much be produced there. It's something like that but basically it means that they can't just close their factories in Canada. They have to work something out. I think it will be slightly more than the US deal - so they WILL eventually accept a two-tier system but it will start at something like $17-21 instead of $14 to compensate for the value of the Canadian dollar and the fact that the Big 3 don't pay their workers health care benefits. Anyway, there will be strike(s) but hopefully they will resolve it before the Camaro starts production in Ontario in a year or so. There is some sort of rule though that for every 4 cars the big three sells in Canada, at least three have to be produced there or something like that. It is a NAFTA-like trade agreement or something…so if the Big 3 sell 200,000 cars in Canada in a year, at least 150,000 much be produced there. It’s something like that but basically it means that they can’t just close their factories in Canada. They have to work something out. I think it will be slightly more than the US deal – so they WILL eventually accept a two-tier system but it will start at something like $17-21 instead of $14 to compensate for the value of the Canadian dollar and the fact that the Big 3 don’t pay their workers health care benefits.

Anyway, there will be strike(s) but hopefully they will resolve it before the Camaro starts production in Ontario in a year or so.

]]> By: F451 http://www.leftlanenews.com/caw-to-big-three-we-wont-accept-a-two-tier-wage-system.html#comment-368413 F451 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:24:34 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/caw-to-big-three-we-wont-accept-a-two-tier-wage-system.html#comment-368413 @ DeansterTJ, commies? I haven't seen the word in a while, but you forgot to put "pinko" after commie if you want it ring true to its heritage. @ DeansterTJ, commies? I haven’t seen the word in a while, but you forgot to put “pinko” after commie if you want it ring true to its heritage.

]]> By: DeansterTJ http://www.leftlanenews.com/caw-to-big-three-we-wont-accept-a-two-tier-wage-system.html#comment-368396 DeansterTJ Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:08:14 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/caw-to-big-three-we-wont-accept-a-two-tier-wage-system.html#comment-368396 Buzz Hargrove can suck my fucking gooch. Nothing will make me happier than seeing a sea of unemployed down-n-out union monkeys selling their bungalows in Hamilton and heading for the trailer parks. Have fun striking cocksucking commies! Buzz Hargrove can suck my fucking gooch. Nothing will make me happier than seeing a sea of unemployed down-n-out union monkeys selling their bungalows in Hamilton and heading for the trailer parks. Have fun striking cocksucking commies!

]]> By: tob http://www.leftlanenews.com/caw-to-big-three-we-wont-accept-a-two-tier-wage-system.html#comment-368385 tob Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:56:15 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/caw-to-big-three-we-wont-accept-a-two-tier-wage-system.html#comment-368385 Big 3 to CAW: You won't half too. Don't let turnstile hit you on the butt on the way out though when your plant closes. Reason CAW will take paycut: UAW already has, Canadian $ to US $ ratio, Mexico etc etc. It a buisness Buzz they'll build them where it makes money to do so. However the big 3 might save a lot on health care cost up there though because of the national system. Big 3 to CAW: You won’t half too.

Don’t let turnstile hit you on the butt on the way out though when your plant closes.

Reason CAW will take paycut: UAW already has, Canadian $ to US $ ratio, Mexico etc etc. It a buisness Buzz they’ll build them where it makes money to do so. However the big 3 might save a lot on health care cost up there though because of the national system.

]]> By: JennyFromTheBlock http://www.leftlanenews.com/caw-to-big-three-we-wont-accept-a-two-tier-wage-system.html#comment-368382 JennyFromTheBlock Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:50:44 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/caw-to-big-three-we-wont-accept-a-two-tier-wage-system.html#comment-368382 I hate canadialand too. johnnycanuck: great post. I hate canadialand too.

johnnycanuck: great post.

]]> By: johnnycanuck http://www.leftlanenews.com/caw-to-big-three-we-wont-accept-a-two-tier-wage-system.html#comment-368376 johnnycanuck Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:32:27 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/caw-to-big-three-we-wont-accept-a-two-tier-wage-system.html#comment-368376 inspire: great post. inspire: great post.

]]> By: inspire http://www.leftlanenews.com/caw-to-big-three-we-wont-accept-a-two-tier-wage-system.html#comment-368371 inspire Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:25:44 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/caw-to-big-three-we-wont-accept-a-two-tier-wage-system.html#comment-368371 Do people know why the CAW won't accept 2-tier pay scale? Taken from the Windsor Star (automotive capital of Canada, and across the border from Detroit, MI): Quote: "We are not accepting second-class workers in our work place," Hargrove said. "That will not be my legacy." He said the union will strike to prevent two-tier wages from coming to Canadian plants. "Taking less for our work is not a solution." /end Quote Read that ... "That will not be MY LEGACY." It's all about ego, not economics. He's worried that HIS IMPORTANT NAME isn't associated with it. Message to Buzz and other union-nazis ... writing is on the wall. Your unions brothers in the US have accepted it. You'd better follow the line and go along with the concessions your brothers in the south have accepted. If you cause any further losses (financially and/or politically), that will sully your so-called prized name more in history. Source: http://www.canada.com/windsorstar/story.html?id=28282df4-b793-408b-83d0-49c8262d1271&k=65267 Do people know why the CAW won’t accept 2-tier pay scale? Taken from the Windsor Star (automotive capital of Canada, and across the border from Detroit, MI):

Quote:
“We are not accepting second-class workers in our work place,” Hargrove said. “That will not be my legacy.” He said the union will strike to prevent two-tier wages from coming to Canadian plants. “Taking less for our work is not a solution.”
/end Quote

Read that … “That will not be MY LEGACY.” It’s all about ego, not economics. He’s worried that HIS IMPORTANT NAME isn’t associated with it. Message to Buzz and other union-nazis … writing is on the wall. Your unions brothers in the US have accepted it. You’d better follow the line and go along with the concessions your brothers in the south have accepted. If you cause any further losses (financially and/or politically), that will sully your so-called prized name more in history.

Source: http://www.canada.com/windsorstar/story.html?id=28282df4-b793-408b-83d0-49c8262d1271&k=65267

]]> By: johnnycanuck http://www.leftlanenews.com/caw-to-big-three-we-wont-accept-a-two-tier-wage-system.html#comment-368369 johnnycanuck Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:23:23 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/caw-to-big-three-we-wont-accept-a-two-tier-wage-system.html#comment-368369 Agent09: why do you need an artificial wage level to be productive? And if you're going to slam someone's post at least take it past the kindergarten level. Agent09: why do you need an artificial wage level to be productive? And if you’re going to slam someone’s post at least take it past the kindergarten level.

]]> By: Impulsive http://www.leftlanenews.com/caw-to-big-three-we-wont-accept-a-two-tier-wage-system.html#comment-368362 Impulsive Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:08:38 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/caw-to-big-three-we-wont-accept-a-two-tier-wage-system.html#comment-368362 'buenos', yup. Standing firm in not accepting what you will be begging for in a few years is utter stupidity. Sure, it's disguised as strength and pride today but, with the Canadian dollar about to make a run towards 1.15 to the US dollar, these clowns will be grovelling for a job shortly, nevermind fighting for a ludicrous level of pay which is absurd. ‘buenos’, yup. Standing firm in not accepting what you will be begging for in a few years is utter stupidity. Sure, it’s disguised as strength and pride today but, with the Canadian dollar about to make a run towards 1.15 to the US dollar, these clowns will be grovelling for a job shortly, nevermind fighting for a ludicrous level of pay which is absurd.

]]> By: F451 http://www.leftlanenews.com/caw-to-big-three-we-wont-accept-a-two-tier-wage-system.html#comment-368359 F451 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:06:09 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/caw-to-big-three-we-wont-accept-a-two-tier-wage-system.html#comment-368359 I've always liked Canadians, so more power to them! I’ve always liked Canadians, so more power to them!

]]> By: jackjimturkey http://www.leftlanenews.com/caw-to-big-three-we-wont-accept-a-two-tier-wage-system.html#comment-368356 jackjimturkey Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:03:16 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/caw-to-big-three-we-wont-accept-a-two-tier-wage-system.html#comment-368356 I think the union has to take this. As long as there are seniority protections and no pay cuts for current workers, it probably needs to happen. I think the union has to take this. As long as there are seniority protections and no pay cuts for current workers, it probably needs to happen.

]]> By: agent09 http://www.leftlanenews.com/caw-to-big-three-we-wont-accept-a-two-tier-wage-system.html#comment-368350 agent09 Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:56:37 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/caw-to-big-three-we-wont-accept-a-two-tier-wage-system.html#comment-368350 johnnycanuck u are a dumbfuck. johnnycanuck u are a dumbfuck.

]]> By: johnnycanuck http://www.leftlanenews.com/caw-to-big-three-we-wont-accept-a-two-tier-wage-system.html#comment-368348 johnnycanuck Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:54:18 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/caw-to-big-three-we-wont-accept-a-two-tier-wage-system.html#comment-368348 "We are not accepting second-class workers in our workplaces,". Translation: we are not going to put up with people getting paid half the money doing twice the work. “We are not accepting second-class workers in our workplaces,”. Translation: we are not going to put up with people getting paid half the money doing twice the work.

]]> By: buenos http://www.leftlanenews.com/caw-to-big-three-we-wont-accept-a-two-tier-wage-system.html#comment-368341 buenos Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:07:06 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/caw-to-big-three-we-wont-accept-a-two-tier-wage-system.html#comment-368341 ... or, you could just be out of a job all together. Buzz Hargrove worked on the Chrysler line back when they were making the worst cars in the business... oh, wait... yeah... never mind. … or, you could just be out of a job all together.

Buzz Hargrove worked on the Chrysler line back when they were making the worst cars in the business… oh, wait… yeah… never mind.

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