Turbo Camaro… sweet… now that’s something to be interested in.

^ Yeah that’s what I was thinking too… But unless you upgrade the turbo, it’ll probably won’t be the fastest stock with the LNF, due to it’s weight…

This could also be a test mule for a LNF powered G8, I mean hey they can kill two birds with one stone this way…

it probably won’t be the fastest stock, due to its weight*

“Just when you thought that the Chevrolet Camaro stories had finally come to an end,”

Yay! They’ve found a way to keep the Camaro stories going!

man i just get an image of a 120lb man trying to push his 280lb woman, what’s the 0-60 going to be? 8…10 sec?

It wouldn’t hurt for Camaro to loose some heft, but the engine paper characteristics are as good or even better the V6

Ofcourse it’s going to be slow stock… but stock isn’t the point. There is already aftermarket support for the LNF. Modded Solstices and Skys are already making over 300whp… and the Cobalt SS & HHR SS won’t be far behind. Less engine up front means less weight to drag around… and the torque curve on the LNF is a flat line. Not to mention it should return 30MPG or better on the highway.

true true- i retract myself

For 30 mpg it will need to loose a lot of heft and 6 speed tranny from Vette (final 6th ratio .5)

IF this does come out yeah a LNF powered Camaro will serve the primary purpose of a fuel efficient option. While there are aftermarket mods available already on the LNF in the above cars that you mentioned they have the advantage of weighing less. Solstice GXP/Sky RL’s are just barely a tick over 3k lbs, with the Cobalt and HHR just under or @3k lbs… However even if you squeeze a good 300whp+ out of that LNF in the Camaro it’s going to weigh somewhere around 3700lbs maybe a little lighter with the LNF performance will still be < than a LS3 powered Camaro…. But with almost twice the better mileage…

I don’t know I wonder if throwing a turbo on that DI 300hp 3.6L V6 would get better performance than the LNF… But one thing is for sure the LNF would give a fuel efficient image to the Camaro…

You’d be suprised at how efficient GM’s FI 4-bangers can be… even when modded. My LSJ is putting down 240 to the wheels and still returns 35MPG when cruising at 70MPH. You just have to know how to drive it properly and stay out of the boost.
No doubt the Camaro has several hundred pounds on my Cobalt… but the LNF is more efficient than the LSJ thanks to its VVT and the fact that it doesn’t take any power away from the engine to turn the turbo when you aren’t boosting.

You are correct Need4SSpeed. It’s not going to be some godsend V8 killer. But I figure modded it will at the very least beat the performance of the V6 model while returning better fuel economy. Resonable speed and above average economy… a bit of both worlds.

What I see LLN reporting above is:
…. “we have no clue what is under the hood of this,
…. so we are making up crap and reporting it as news.”

Oh yeah that it’s going to have for sure… And all I know is that next summer my next ride is going to have the LNF, but I just don’t know in which car yet…

“What I see LLN reporting above is:
…. “we have no clue what is under the hood of this,
…. so we are making up crap and reporting it as news.””

What I see above:
Pathetic man who likes to troll.

Well said Mayor Ray.

Mules are only used until the body-in-white is available, so it would be VERY unlikely they’d be using this mule for any further Camaro work. However, it is Australia, so you never know.

“Mules are only used until the body-in-white is available, so it would be VERY unlikely they’d be using this mule for any further Camaro work. However, it is Australia, so you never know.”

Actually it’s pretty common for us to see mules running around long after prototypes with the actual body are out testing. I think they just keep running them to really give the powertrain a beating.

Maybe Pontiac is trying to save face with a G8 coupe? I go by a dealership every day on my way to work… the G8 sedans are just sitting there.

Poor Carbob must be wound up tighter than a cheap alarm clock. With all the changes to the Camaro program he’s had to yell ’stop the presses’ so often he should consider a career in the newspaper business.

Why would a turbo 4 need forced induction? BTW, the Z28 is not officially off the table.

“Why would a turbo 4 need forced induction?”

What?

Keep the Camaro stories coming.

I meant “cowl induction” (not enough cofee), of course a turbo is forced induction.

Finally the Berlinetta model.

The Z28 is officially off the table and Turbo=Forced Induction. …. damn.

Anyone who wonders if a 300hp turbo-4 can move a Camaro, take a stab at what the power output was on an 80’s 305 powered Z28. 230hp in top form for the Iroc-Z. The 350 only made 240 at its best.

Why not? there will certainly be plenty of room to work with in the engine bay. driving a camaro with turbo lag would seem so wrong though….

Actually with the twin-scroll turbos lag is pretty much a thing of the past.

All the way to 5mph? At that speed, how can you even tell it’s moving? LLN is gay.

Maybe they’ll make it a Buick version… return of the Grand National.

I thunk the person whoo wrote this is nreading the comment on the # of camaro stories.

I don’t like the 4-cylinder iudea.

I’m sure it’s a diesel though! Somebody has to make the big step and offer coupe’s that lack performance! Image it, so economical, you can actually keep it in the garage and not use a single drop of diesel. Now THAT’S environmentally friendly performance!
Of course it reached 5mph, can’t you read the yellow “government approved high speed testing vehicle” on the front :p
Think my comment is weird and lacks logic? Well, that’s because of the article…

Im afraid they are gonna take the camaro too down market. and then they are gonna be way too common.

Chris, I wouldn’t say it’s at all “common”, but you are right it is done. In this case if they are doing durability testing to 100k miles on say, a motor or trans or brake system, and they are 50% complete when the BIW is ready, they will continue on with the mule for sure. But, they will also start a new test with the actual vehicle. Seeing that the BIW was done nearly 2yrs ago, I don’t see them using an old mule for a “new” test. (and I’m assuming the turbo 4 is a “new” idea, perhaps incorrectly) Packaging, frontal (grille) area and airflow, etc are critical for powertrain durability testing and more importantly, certification. If they are simply measuring “turbo lag” as LLN states, a mule would do just fine for that, but frankly that can be done on a dyno far less expensively, quickly, and more accurately. But, not ever having worked with Holden on a powertrain project (only brakes), I can’t say for sure how they’d do it.

I mean its still gonna be a cash cow for GM. but it wont last long untill its gonna be old without a makeover. Look what happened to the mustang. When it was unvailed it was a big thing, and now when u see it nobody cares.

The Mustang still sells well though, unlike other niche retro cars like the New Beetle and PT Barnum Cruiser clown car.

There’s nothing wrong with Mustang. It just needs a slightly new front end treatment and some new tail lights… the “retro” look was okay for a bit… but those round lights look dated really fast.

RaineMan, 210 hp 4.0L V6 motor is very wrong today. Accord has 190 hp 4 cylinder on a slightly lighter car, guess which one feels “sportier”? Even with RWD Mustang does not feel light on its feet or very maneuverable with that anemic mill.

Xyunya, the 4.0 isn’t a bad motor… and I’ll guarantee you a V6 ’stang is faster than a 4-banger Accord. Remember, horsepower sells cars… but torque wins races. That is what the 4.0 is good for… lots of down low torque.
I do hope that Ford will replace it with something slightly more fuel efficient soon though. I had a 2001 Ranger with the 4.0… got terrible mileage. When I traded it in 2006 I passed on the V6 ’stang and went for the Cobalt SS instead primarily b/c of fuel mileage. There are days when I think I would have liked the Mustang better… primarily b/c of the RWD. But 35MPG out of the SS is hard to beat.

I don’t get it. The Camaro has been all over the net for years why disguise it as a Holden Coupe that hasn’t been introduced to the market but was shown as a concept earlier this year. If its a new engine for the Camaro who would notice it in a Camaro body.

They are probably using the Holden mule b/c all the available Camaros are being used for something else.

RaineMan, I don’t expect anyone to race Accord against V6 Mustang. And honestly, I did not test drive V8 powered one yet. But V6 Mustang did not feel all that sporty or enthusiastic, yet Accord with manual felt like a sport car (and with slushbox it wasn’t far behind). No objective science or tests here, except the feel in the buttocks.

I hear what you’re sayin Xyunya… and I know what you mean. The V6 ’stang I drove had the pony package with the bigger rims, better tires, and GT suspension… coupled with the 5-speed manual it felt pretty good, especially compared to my Ranger. But the Cobalt still blew it away in terms of handling.

Now, man, can you explain to me why everyone is whining about RWD? I was rallying during college days (almost 30 years ago) in RWD Corolla against Saabs and they were whooping my ass being FWD. And with a little attention to detail even FWD car can have as tight turning radius as RWD (maneuverability)

FWD doesn’t suck b/c of manouverability… FWD sucks b/c you can’t launch worth shyte in a FWD performance car. If my SS was RWD I could probably knock several tenths off of the quarter mile time. As it is I have to be very careful around town b/c any use of boost in 1st gear will result in massive wheel-hop. Now on the manouverability subject… the Cobalt SS really blows. I can’t u-turn without taking up atleast two lanes… and Charlotte is the u-turn capital of the south. If I want to u-turn I must take a left at the intersection, then find a parking lot to turn around in and come back out.
Also… no offense meant to your driving skills… but a properly modded RWD Corolla (AE-86?) should be able to whoop on most anything out there.

No offense taken, guys on school rally team were practicing for years on, I had to study, work and attend ROTC camps. It sucked being poor and have ambitions. Their Saabs were prepped by factory and were extremely nice to drive on the course. Also, they could pull through mud, where I had to pray not be tossed off the road.

Now on to a related subject… exactly how low would a 4-cyl Camaro be priced? 21-22k is sitting right at the heart of Cobalt SS territory. Same engine… it becomes a FWD vs RWD battle… and most enthusiasts will overlook the weight difference for the RWD advantage.

It makes me wonder if the V6 version is going to be a little more expensive than planned… like 25k base. That would put it out of range of a base model mustang.

I think Camaro is aiming at 21-23K. Mustang in 19-21K bracket. Chevy was always a notch pricier. I wish it lost some heft, however.

Post 13 is all that really needs to be said about this

” But 35MPG out of the SS is hard to beat.”

You are stretching holy hell out of the truth here. A simple google search shows that the BEST rated mileage for that motor, in stock form, is 30 mpg highway; the R&T review of the car rated it 22/29. The LS is rated at 24/33.

Tbe best these guys could get out of it was 24mpg average:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/new_cars/4199769.html

That’s the BEST “rated” mileage… The Mazda RX8 is only rated @ 14city and 22 highway, but most owners report getting 18-20mpgs on average in the city… The Cobalt SS Supercharged is rated only @19city and like mid to high 20’s on the highway, yet I consistently get 25+ in the city (if I drive conservatively) and over 30mpg on the freeway…

So RaineMan is hardly stretching the truth…

Now is a 700lbs heavier LNF powered Camaro going to get that kind of mileage? Definitely not…

coupe 60 lol

Camaro Hybrid to be anounced next!!

Chevy should rebadge this car to make a rwd 4 cyl coupe. Better yet, make it a 4 door….

=====>>all i know is as far as turbo4 and RWD, the Hyandai Genesis is in a league of its own….the 240SX KA24DET replacement….

I am sick of Camaro already!

If they decide to make this car they better not call it a Camaro. It’s looks nothing like a Camaro. How could they have two cars that look totally different have the same name? I don’t think they should produce this car at all. Keep it as the G8 and that’s it. They don’t even know if the G8 is going sell well yet and they’re already thinking of a Chevrolet version. But GM will be GM and do what they have always done. Use the same car for every brand they own and change the name. I want to see what the Saturn, Buick, Cadillac and Saab versions are going to look like.