it’ll be interesting if it keeps the lead over the whole year.

Wow. Very interesting indeed.

Chevy already had the Corvette. They should have given this to Pontiac as the Firebird/Trans Am instead of the G5 and G3. We wouldn’t be talking about the demise of Pontiac right now if that would have happened.

hmmm interesting, but i personally think that this is because the camaro is a new model and the hype was all built up because of the transformers movies. this will eventually die down and we will see who really is the best seller after a couple of years

good point mike

If Pontiac had gotten this car, i have a strange feeling that it would become the G8 Coupe and still have the same engine offerings as the sedan.
Still better than getting the G3 and G5

Pontiac was a goner besides Buick is NEXT!
And with the sales figures out Top 20 vehicles, current month’s sales
Jun 2009 % Chg from
Jun ‘08 YTD 2009 % Chg from
YTD 2008
Ford F – Series PU 35,915 -7.4 179,632 -34.6
Toyota Camry / Solara 26,394 -36.5 150,242 -37.4
Chevrolet Silverado PU 24,766 -27.8 149,949 -35.2
Honda Accord 23,955 -39.7 131,043 -36.3
Honda Civic 20,954 -47.6 118,459 -42.2
Toyota Corolla / Matrix 19,935 -52.7 121,643 -37.5
Ford Fusion 18,561 26.0 85,146 -3.2
Nissan Altima 16,350 -33.4 96,428 -39.0
Ford Escape 15,385 1.9 76,402 -17.0
Chevrolet Impala 14,931 -10.4 78,687 -43.4
Honda Odyssey 14,670 16.4 56,554 -22.1
Dodge Ram PU 14,478 -10.3 94,516 -26.7
Honda CR-V 13,720 -13.1 78,917 -24.7
Toyota Prius 12,998 10.5 55,751 -39.0
Ford Focus 12,573 -30.0 69,354 -43.8
Hyundai Sonata 11,950 -29.2 60,481 -8.3
Chevrolet Malibu 11,466 -16.0 75,829 -13.2
Volkswagen Jetta 10,413 16.0 46,643 0.5
Toyota RAV4 10,054 0.0 62,241 0.0
Pontiac G6 9,731 -33.4 39,622 -53.8

Even though the Camaro is fresh it would’nt make the top twenty vehicles sold. Meanwhile you have the fabulous Ford Fusion Tearing up the Sales Charts literally. its +26% for the year! Even the Ford Escape is to the Positive by 1.9 Percentage points. But then again the Chevrolet Silverado is off almost 30% Holy Cow, but its not quite as bad as the Toyota Corolla/Matrix the absolute worst @ 52.7 %

ford can’t introduce the next ’stang motor(s) fast enough…and finally getting an independent rear suspension would help…the camaro is a compelling package, though, for sure…it’d be interested to see the breakdown of 6s vs 8s…

I figure it this way the Ford Fusion at 41 MPG has the chance to make it right next to its bigger brother by the end of the year @ the #2 Spot but being more realistic it could actually make it to the # 3 or 4 spot either in front of or barely just behind the Camry which is outselling the Sliverado at the moment.

whether the camaro is in the top 20 or not is pretty much irrelevant…you have to think about what segment the car is in and what volume is supported in that segment…that’s why mustang vs camaro is a more meaningful comparison, those two cars are in the same market space…

who cares if the prius outsold the camaro? totally different types of buyers…nobody is choosing between them…not so for the mustang/camaro debate…

MIKE Puh-leeze, Pontiac Firebird/G8 would not have saved Pontiac.

Happy to see Camaro outselling the Mustang. I hate the Mustang.

It won’t last. Everybody wants the car because it has been out of production for so long. When the novelty wears off, so will the sales. This always happens to cars that are somehwhat of a novelty, ie, the New Beetle, MINI Cooper, etc.

leftwingagenda The New one is still very hot and i like it. Its selling well so not to worry. The Chevy Camaro boyz have been starved for years with no Camaro to purchase. This over selling of camaro’s is going to fade. But I agree the Next Mustang should not be too far off. I just want Ford to be sure of two things. Keep the Original Styling cues Ford had from the 1964 to the 1970’s Mustang then embellish those looks into the Sleekness of the Mustang Guigario. Yet make it so that its not only very affordable no pun intended. and Leftwing like you said I agree 100% the next Mustang should employ not only IRS, but this list as well and we won’t be talking about a POS Camaro here or even the wanna be ZR-1 … we’ll be talking Fastest Production Sports car in the World. Porsche, ACR, and Veyron look out we’re gunning for you!
DDCT/ 7 to 8 SPD Trans, keep weight under 3000 Lbs, AWD, All Aluminum Coyote- Output 800 to 1400 HP and see ya later alligator.

I’m happy for them, but i’m also agreeing with aggie531 – sustained hype thanks to the movie…

Now they need to keep making movies!

I think this article is a tad inaccurate in the fact it doesn’t account for Firebird sales as well. The Mustang never had a sister car like the Camaro did. I think if the numbers sold were lined up that way, the F-bodies outsold the Mustang all the way to 2002. If the Mustang’s success is from anything, it isn’t from its muscle car history, but the compromises it made to become an everyday car. Things like being easier to get in and out of and headroom. The F-bodies never made such compromises, and so *maybe* that contributed to their demise. We’ll see how the new LT and SS models do. But for the sake of the Camaro name, I hope they keep the zeta chassis…or at least have plans for another rwd chassis in the late 20teens.

On a side note, I don’t like the new Mustang…those tail lights belong on a candy cane or barber pole. Can’t tell which. Not saying it isn’t a good car, just not my taste.

mmmmmmmmmm, this is funny, Camaro outsells Mustang? So far I only saw 2 in Houston on the street, and saw 10 + park in the dealer. My friend is looking to buy one, but he couldn’t get one here in the Houston, and last time I check the Camaro still back order. The truth is there is still not many on the street compare with Mustang.

WATCHA CAMARO FUN, THE NEXT GENERATION MUSTANG IS GOING TO BE MORE POWERFUL RUN ON THE SAME OR BETTER MPG THEN CAMARO DOES.

It’s not just because of the movie that the New Camaro has outsold the Mustang. maybe it’s because no one knows or noticed that there is an new Mustang, all pun intented. We need to give credit to where credit is due and admit that Ford dropped the ball on this one and it may cost them dearly.

This article may also be misleading/inaccurate because LLN states they are comparing sales of the 2010 Camaro to the 2010 Mustang.. completely disregarding the sales of 2009 Mustangs that were still on the lots. Since there were no 2009 Camaros for dealers to clear out, I’m guessing that including the remaining 2009 Mustangs sold in June will boost Mustang over the top.

Bankruptcy.. you say Fusion is up 26% for the year, but the numbers you posted simply state that they sold 26% more in June 2009 than in June 2008.. and Fusion is actually DOWN 3.2% for the year (which is also there in the numbers you posted). If you’re going to post numbers, at least know how to interpret them.

zoomzoomer, haven’t you figured out that bankruptcy is Ford version of NMOFGM? He is either salesman or works for company. Logic and math will not work here.

I’ve been to those dealerships with 4 to 6 on the lot, and they were all sold and just waiting in the back for them to install accessories. One was on the show floor last month b/c the owner agreed to leave it for a week if they paint on the stripes instead of having vinyls. They even had his car on TV! I’ve yet to even sit in one since I haven’t found one that isn’t sold. And I’m not putting 2k down and waiting 3 months just to get in and check it out with my own hands. As for seeing them on the road, I have seen 4 LTs and 1 SS since last Friday. But I’ve yet to see a new Mustang. Did get to see what looked like a Roush gathering last weekend, hehe.

Bankruptcy2009… the camaro wasnt top 20 because they can only produce so many a day, not to mention then ship them cross continent… i bet there are still dealers who have yet to get one… oh, and you’re still a botched coat hanger abortion

Im very happy with the Camaro’s success. It would also be safe to assume that the current success of the Camaro is do to its long awaited and anticipated return. But the Mustang didn’t trail the Camaro by much. The Mustang has gotten better and more refined through the years and its at its prime right now. The Camero had to be presented properly with a well thought out body language. The car exudes sex and beauty in every way possible. But I can see this car as being a fad and quickly dying off within a year. Not saying that it wont sale in the future, but the hype of the legendary Camaro will return to its mundane state, much like the Mustang. Long live the pony muscle cars.

Damn!
I said this would happen last year
I get tired of being right all the time!
DrFill

I’ve been saying for months that Camaro is superior to Mustang. I’m so often in the minority with my opinions at LLN that it’s very gratifying when the marketplace vindicates me.

Actually everyone, Bankruptcy2009 or I mean BurgerKing2009 is DATSUN’s, oops Nissan’s version of NMOFGM. The boasting of Ford in his posts is simply to deter and hide the fact that he masturbates about Paul Walker and Vin Diesel in his sleep after he plays with the 1000-hp GT-R in Gran Turismo. I play with his mom’s big fat wet p*ssy every night in the back of her ‘96 Taurus LX Wagon. His mommy drives a Ford, so there’s his logic. Wait, I drive a ‘98 Rustang GT and my logic is that I smell like a hillbilly and I smell BK2009’s mom’s big fat wet p*ssy on my mustache and beard. Yummy.

howsmydriving SALES HAS NOTHING to do with superiority. No ONE has seen a Camaro for like over a decade or two ok. So take it easy weasy. The Mustang has ALWAYS OUT SOLD THE CAMARO Not Only because its a better Sports car but its a Ford which is definitely way better than a poor man’s chevy which is a pos or let me speak your language a new **** box from chevy.

This car is a fad and because it has’nt been in production for awhile. wait and see it will slow down and die.

Zoomer I am correct Fusion is up 26% from last year Dumb ass. ANd its about to go to the + Side over all. This car could go all the way to the Best Selling car in America this year just you watch.
So while you applaud the camaro’s fleeting little success here. The main event continues Bow Tie Boys ok yeah another battle won over chevy!
Take that. How do you like them apples!

The Camaro really looks good. I’d actually get one for my kid.

Vortec Open your mouth so I can take a **** IN IT ! And Swallow HillBilly. I’ll soften up up first with the hard elbow to your gut then clothes line ya then Back flip drop kick your ass to the ground then pile drive your hill billy ass but good. Open Wide !

Unfortunately I haven’t seen a single Camaro on the road so far- not saying they aren’t selling well, just haven’t been out lately.

While I like the Camaro, and especially the older first generation, race modified versions, everything after the second generation one was a joke. Saying they didn’t compromise is ridiculous (nod to ZL-1). That’s why the second generation Camaro was so much heavier than the first generation. That’s why it stayed on the F-body platform for 35 years straight- if it was meant for “no compromises” they surely would have updated the platform to something better than the Mustangs…

They better sell a hell of a lot of Camaros to get that $50 Billion back to Uncle Sam. On a side note who the hell is buying all those craptastic Impalas and why?

This morning, I saw a Mustang, a Challenger and a Camaro driving next to each other on the street. The Camaro was dark grey, and it sounded great. I thought it looked too much like a plastic toy, though. The Mustang was blue and goldish, and it was okay. The Challenger was orange, and I thought it looked the best. However, I think the Camaro sounded just a tad better. Still, it was pretty impressive to see all three of these cars next to each other.

The funny thing that I noticed, though, were the faces that all of them had. The Camaro has a big, cheesy grin. The Mustang has a bit of a sad, pouty look. The Challenger has kind of a fake half-way smile. Anyone else notice the faces?

I llike the new Camaro a lot, but have to say this news does not really impress. The Mustang has been around forever and has no real big update until the new powertrains go in next year. There has been a long line of mullet wearing Chevy die hards who have been salivating for years since the death of the F body. The real test for the Camaro is if it can sustain this success under the new Government Motors ownership.

I just finished washing 750kms worth of bug guts off my ‘02 Mustang GT. I had a pretty good couple legs in the old girl. The only car that passed me on either way to or from our summer place in the Okanagan was a Porsche 911 (no idea what vintage but I’m guessing post 2000) and he was going for it. I spent the next 50kms chasing the sumbitch with the traction control off and the wife’s mouth in the on position saying “it’s a Porsche- just admit it he’s faster than you!” F*ck that. I never did catch him but I kept him in sight until he peeled off at Manning Park. I saw 170kph more than once and anyone who knows the Crowsnest highway will tell you that straight stretches are more rare than Bernie Madoff fan clubs.

I used to say it myself on this site that the end of the world is coming and that if you have the wherewithal start hoarding pony and muscle cars like they could be your ticket to 1,000 virgins. I don’t know anymore. Maybe, maybe not. But they sure are a blast to drive even if they’re not the most sophisticated creatures in the automotive world. I think too many people get caught up in the looks and forget that part.

Bankruptcy it has already been said, the Camaro+Firebird+TransAM sales in the past have toppled the Mustang sales

ohhh sh*t Bankruptcy2009 not only masturbates about Paul Walker and Vin Diesel in 3 Fag 3 Furious, he beats off to WWE wrestlers in speedos due to his dropkicks and clothes lines. And then I just pinned his mom to the canvas with my 400 lbs jelly rolls for the 1-2-3 oops I mean 69. I’m his mom’s heavy dick champion of the world, how amusing.

Hey A Hole Andy I think you got that the other way around boy. The Mustang Routinely outsells all three of those Junkpile GM F Bodies Combined and that is a well known fact sir you can’t refute!

As for Mr. Canuck ROFL you are very funny sir lol keep up the good work and keep those Porsches at bay!

Competition is great, ain’t it? Bring on the best of the 3, Ford Mustang, Chevrolet Camaro & Dodge Challenger. May the best of them win.

1c3d0g, in a Car And Driver pony car comparo last month, the Mustang won overall. They should have added the Hyundai Genesis Coupe to the mix for sh*ts and giggles.

Probally alreday stated above some where…..That number does not even come close to the Mustangs numbers month to month after the last redisgn. Secondly while this Camero is nice and does some things better than the Stang it misses the base V6 cost and it does not have the “pony” segment defining name of Mustang. Chicks love horse

Was “loan bright spots” supposed to be a witty play on words? I certainly hope so…

Loan bright spots for GM – pun much?

I like the new camaro and the mustang is growing on me, but I would still prefer the Challenger, and plus you wouldn’t see them all around the road like these two.

nice , Mustang vs Camaro cat fight .

i think Bankruptcy2009 needs to change his name to “imaredneckforloverwhowhocanttakecomments”

funny how ford makes a car that competes with nothing. the gt500 is almost on par with a corvette, not to mention the z06 or the ZR1. why are they wasting their time. they really do need to get on the ball and make a car with some useable power before everyone does leave them in the dust.

its the 60’s all over again, the mustang will forever be a nice looking car that is completely gutless.

@kr0n0s

What in the world are you smoking? Have you not read any of the comparisons? The Mustang GT is only 0.2 seconds behind the Camaro SS to 60, tied with the Challenger R/T, and blows them both away in the handling and braking categories. Plus, the Mustang is more comfortable for tall drivers than the Camaro despite the Camaro being so much larger.

I think the new Camaro is great for GM, but this will play out the way it always has: The new Camaro gets a sales bump against the existing Mustang, but will be overtaken by the Mustangs steady and consistent sales. The people wanting a new Camaro have been pinching their pennies for 3 years now, I would imagine they’d be good to go as soon as the car was available. The real question is how long this will continue. I give it 3-4 months and then the Mustang is back on top. And next year with the 5.0 is back, you’ll seen five-digit sales on the Mustang.

Thats strange, I’ve only seen 1 camaro outside the Boston area but pleanty of new mustangs. I would like to see more camaro’s and challengers as the summer goes on hopefully.

Camaro has always been Americas pony car just like the Corvette is Americas Sports car. The Mustang sold because the Camaro was on hiatus and now that it’s back Ford should worry big time. They should just stop building them until they can come up with a legitimate competitor. They also need to work on the poor quality and dismal reliability which plagues Ford products overall.

GM. An American Revolution

ZL-1, there are 5 SS’ sitting at a dealer I drive by every day to work. 2 (red and black) have been there for almost 2 months. The other 3 (yellow, blue, red) are new in the past 2 weeks. Don’t know if they are sold. This is in MA.

Yes I have read the comparo two and for a car that makes 111 Horsepower more than then the Mustang GT that is pathetic 4.9 seconds is pretty good VS 4.7.. Besides the Aluminum Coyote is coming next year DA NMOFGM. And don’t even compare that 4.7 second time with the Mighty Mustang GT500 at 3.9 seconds 0-60 is a way off for the SS to compete with the Mustang GT500 its OUT of ITS league my Friend. And NFMOFGM I think you got that wrong yet again. America’s Only True Sports Car is the Ford Mustang . America’s Junkpile is the Corvette and America’s Comode is the Crapmaro.

And no Mustang is on Top with Quality.

Also We are moving up stream next Mustang as well. By Passing wannabe cars like the ZR1 and going for the Cheese! The World’s Fastest Production Super Sports Car. Oh Yeah how do you like it Now Chevy Boys Alright!

Like the lines. Can’t wait to see on the road. Really like the “bumblebee” look of the yellow with the black stripes down the middle. That’s retro cool done right.

Thge Camaro is back thanksfully and this news is not that surprising. If everyone hasnt already realized the “new” mustang is out too and I have seen more of the new camaros around then those. They’re just harder to spot due their blending in with the other million lame V6 mustangs out there.

I see more and more Camaros out there and all they’re doing is impressing me more and more. Wow. They have the mustang beat in every respect, sorry Ford fans.

Every Mustang I’ve ever seen is either cruising in the slow lane being driven by a chick or some old fart or it’s sitting on the side of the road with a blown engine (Ford V8’s are notoriously unreliable). Camaros are the hottest cars on the road right now, that’s a fact.

BK2009, don;t even get me started on the Coyote. Yeah, a brand new design from Ford. That’s asking for a whole lot of headaches. At least Genral Motors gets its engines right the first time. Each one is proven to last hundreds of thousands of miles on oil changes and plugs. Camaros will live for eons while Stangs have been sent to early graves for catastrophicengine and mechanical failures.

GM. AN American Revolution.

Let war of salesman continue.! One company is in its grave and another one foot in it, yet there will be an argument who’s 4000 lbs behemoth will outrun another’s on strait stretch of road. It is hardly worth a debate that 10 years old technology should outsell 40 years old.

Thank you Borat! Someone else noticed.

This is simple. and this Chevy/Ford pony car showdown will go the same way it always did.
-The camaro will offer more power and more tech (IRS) for more money. Performance enthusiasts will buy it and mod it. Tough guys will buy it.

-Everyone else will buy the mustang. With the new 3.7 liter it will have competitive performance, a MUCH better interior (seriously if you havn’t sat in one go check it out) , and a lower price tag whcih will in the end all but make the choice for consumers.

No one cares wich one runs the faster quarter mile. The pony car war will be won or lost based on the v6 models and the mustang is the better daily driver offering.

Meanwhile while you praddle on Borat and NFMOGM rants more BS. the facts are clear.

Jul 01, 2009
F-150 rules! Ford close to taking largest-seller crown from General Motors

Ford Motor has crept to within 2 percentage points of becoming America’s largest automaker, June sales figures show (industry story here). General Motors has long held the spot — but it won’t much longer as its Saturn, Hummer, Saab and Pontiac divisions are about to be shed.

Not only did Ford creep up on the leader with strong Ford Fusion sales, but it fended off Toyota. In June 2008, Toyota was handily surpassing Ford’s sales. Last month, Ford sales slipped only 10.7% over the previous year while Toyota was off a shocking 31.9%. GM, trying to keep up sales despite being in bankruptcy reorganization, was off 33.4%, Autodata reported. And Chrysler? Despite having emerged from Chapter 11 under control of Italy’s Fiat, sales were clobbered — off more than 41%.

Ford’s F-150 was solidly America’s top-selling vehicle, followed by Toyota Camry.

Read that and weep, NFMOGM this is just the beginning my friend its going to get worse as your about to find out! Ford has the Taurus just being Introduced. then comes the Lincoln MKT, ***Ford Fiesta-big time sales, Euro Ford Ford/ Focus RS ,Electric Ford Focus, Possibly the Ford KA not to mention the Ford Kuga.
Combine all those Heavy Hits and you losing another 4 to possibly 6 more divisions. This start to look kinda bleak for you. You still have to get out of bankruptcy or face liquidation of all your garbage GM assets lol

I strongly suspect that even though the new Ford 3.7 Liter V6 coming to the Mustang is rated at 263HP it can easily attain 375 to 450 HP with the Twin Turbos to make the SS Camaro wince with fright. The Coyote V-8 should be rated anywhere from 440 HP to right around 550 HP normally aspirated better fuel economy with Direct Injection. If we factor in the twin force; then still with great fuel economy we could be looking at 700 to 1100 HP. couple this with a Hybrid System and we’re good to go!
See ya later Porsche! Chevy what???

As a matter of fact the Fusion is offered in so many variants that its quite or more than possible should I say – especially with the Hybrid Fusion, 4 and 6 cylinder variants that this could be the Best Selling Midsize Sedan in America by the end of the year. I’m not kidding this thing is running off the sales charts!

Its July the 2nd and I have yet to see one ..just one New Camaro and I live in Chicago, and you would have thought being so close to detroit that I would have. But No. I have seen; however, the New Ford 2010 Mustang sold on the street with real tags not dealers plates. Its Great America has spoke the Ford Mustang Rules Supreme!

It is actually one of the LONE bright spots, Drew, GM isn’t borrowing the car.

SUCK IT MUSTANG!!! HAHAHA

“Let war of salesman continue.! One company is in its grave and another one foot in it, yet there will be an argument who’s 4000 lbs behemoth will outrun another’s on strait stretch of road. It is hardly worth a debate that 10 years old technology should outsell 40 years old.”

Ford has one foot in the grave? Every time you post you make yourself look more and more stupid. Ford has outperformed Toyota in sales so far this year and lost FAR less money than Toyota. Ford was down 11% and Toyota was down 32% last month. Ford is not on its deathbed.

BTW, the Mustang weighs about 3500lbs and the Camaro weighs about 3800lbs. Not that you would know.

Bankruptcy2009

enough said haha

NMOFGM

you have to remember ford might be laggin a lil in hp but the new 5.0 mustang is going to come back and dominate the pos camaro with 400+hp and 400+ lb ft of torque

Yay! Another idiotic pissing contest based on horsepower numbers, and which brand name is more prestigious in automotive history! Let’s just simply forget the fact that GM is getting stabbed in the face repeatedly , the world economy is going to hell, and the only thing that matters to Chevy and Ford is a pointless match between the size of their dicks.

It’s just a novelty war, is what it is. The same thing could be said with the GT-R, ZR1, and the 911 Turbo’s lap times at the Nurburgring.

I might be the only one, but I really like all three and for my own bias, id take the camaro, manly that i own a camaro now, and love the car. But the mustang is a good buy and so is the challenger. All three are great.

The greatest irony might be that the Mustang could end up being the anchor to slow Ford’s progress. You have to admit that Ford has been doing all the right things lately. The new Fusion, Taurus, and Fiesta should be/are hits. Mulally predicting an economic bust early on (really before anyone) and levaraging all assets to get the biggest, fattest loan possible before the gov’t swooped in to give the same loans, but at the cost of Washington telling you how to run (or who should run) your company. Ford has made some good moves.

But, I think they should have used better foresight with the Mustang. The muscle car nod in my book goes to Camaro, based on styling and equipment. I mean, the fact that the base car can run neck and neck with the Mustang’s V8 option is a pretty sizeable slap in the face, not to mention the better fuel economy of the Camaro V6. The 2010 Mustang doesn’t do enough to distinguish itself. GT500 tech should trickle down to the V6 and GT models. The GT500 has gotten considerable praise for its handling, despite the live axle. I’m guessing IRS in the ‘Stang now would be too expensive, until the Mustang platform changes. The problem is, Ford is doing OK, but I don’t think there’s enough coin in their coffers to revise the platform, install IRS, tweak the exterior, and drop in an EcoBoost engine or two, before ‘Stang sales go to Dodge and Chevy.

Ford’s still got lots of work to do.

i could care less about hp. the camaro weighs a ton, the mustang weighs less than that! It’s mustang for me please! I trust the guy on the corner street who is begging for money so he can buy bread more than I trust GM with anything!
Driving the camaro feels like you are driving something huge and fat, the power is there, but you don’t feel as confidant driving it around. The mustang has been trimmed up a little and feels the most fit out of all the 3 muscle cars.

I think the Next Mustang will be Nuremburging for the Title to become Lord of the Rings!

ANDY if the Camaro+Firebird+TransAM sales where so great in the past why did they stop making these “GREAT” cars.

Right before the Camaro+Firebird+TransAM was canceled in 2002. They had 310hp and 340ftlbs compared the mustang 260hp and 302ftlbs. but yet the the Camaro+Firebird+TransAM were cancelled WHY ANDY?

the Camaro+Firebird+TransAM the had a 6 speed compared to the Mustang 5 speed.

In 2002 before the Camaro+Firebird+TransAM got cancelled they sold 7 different packages. Camaro coupe, camaro z28, camaro 35 anniveristy edition, and Firebird coupe, Firebird Formula, Firebird TrasAm, Firebird Collector’s Edition, compared to the Mustang coupe and Mustang GT. but yet the the Camaro+Firebird+TransAM got cancelled.

Then Pontiac did something STUPID and tried to take on the Mustang ALONE with bringing back something called a GTO. That hadn’t been made in since before i was born. They made this car in 2004-2006. Right before it got cancelled in 2006 it had 400hp compared to the Mustang 300hp. So what happened next it got cancelled. WHY ANDY?

Bottom line is that his history tells us that no matter how many times GM can rebadge the same car to go against the Mustang, Ford will always win. WHY ANDY?

IMO it is because Ford builds much better cars. I give you one example. GM has already recalled the 2010 Camaro. It happen days after it released. I have heard about any 2010 Ford Mustang recalls. WHY ANDY?

ANDY how is this possible sales were so GREAT. ANDY WHY did they get cancelled?

Thank GM keep it up

IIt21 i have two answers for all of your beggings, short answer… terrorism, long answer… Bankruptcy’s sore anus from all the gayness

@Scarface03

I was following your argument well until you stated that the V6 Camaro is nearly as fast as a Mustang GT. This tells me you obviously have done no research, and also managed to ignore every article about the Mustang and Camaro on LLN for months.

3500 # / 315 HP (11.1 lbs/hp) beats 3800 # / 305 HP (12.4 lbs/hp).

And that’s before figuring in tire sizes, gearing ratios, etc.

Not news whatsoever. The Camaro is fresh off the truck.

Your damn right it was terrorism. Them boys in there ford mustang have been putting the fear in the mullet hair freaks driving them there camaro’s since the 60’s.

And to think of it, I was actually thinking you could give me a reason why the “Camaro+Firebird+TransAM” got cancelled but in 2002 even though they toppled the Mustang sales. WHY ANDY?

maybe it’s because despite GM in 2002 almost being in existence for 100 years still had no way in getting their “Camaro+Firebird+TransAM ” to their own dealerships. I guess GM did not have the kind of technology if you will. But yet Ford and Dodge did hmmmmm. WHY ANDY?

That was your reason you gave why the 2010 Camaro couldn’t make the Top 20. Because they could only make so many a day and had no means of getting them to “their GM” dealerships despite GM announcing on Sept 03, 2008 they would begin taking orders in October 2008 for their 2010 Camaro’s. WHY ANDY?

Thanks GM keep it up

Lit21 your Hysterical ROFL.. WHY ANDY WHY? Why are you so stupid Andy? And yet GM is so Breft of Reasoning in Cancellation after cancelation of Car models? WHY ANDY WHY?

When i was young, I was interested in Muscle cars, but less so now. I’d rather have a G8 than a Camaro.

There are Mustangs all over the place, and I can’t help but think that the ubiquity of the Mustang is selling a lot of Challengers and Camaros.

gta89mike: “Chevy already had the Corvette. They should have given this to Pontiac as the Firebird/Trans Am instead of the G5 and G3.” You might be right. This car is certainly more in line with what people expect of pontiac than a Cobalt or Aveo.

aggie531: “the hype was all built up because of the transformers movies.” You may be right. Think of what “Sideways” did for Merlot sales.

Bankruptcy2009: “Pontiac was a goner besides Buick is NEXT!.” No, China will keep Buick from going away.

Toyota sold 30,312 Camry sedans and Solaras in June. YTD is 170,605.

leftwingagenda: let me bounce this off you.
Mustang stays as is.
IRS version sold as Mercury Cougar.
Any

Bankruptcy2009: “SALES HAS NOTHING to do with superiority.” true.

kr0nos: Ford should take another stab at the GT.

Oil: No, Ford’s quality is fine.

NB: “The pony car war will be won or lost based on the V6 models.” yep.

Bankruptcy2009: Geography might have something to do with your seeings. My mom traded is her Camry for a Taurus that was “Built in Chicago with Pride.”

llt21: “ANDY if the Camaro+Firebird+TransAM sales where so great in the past why did they stop making these ‘GREAT’ cars.”

Because they couldn’t SELL them!

Hahahahahaha! This won’t last. The Mustang has traditionally been an appealing car to a broad range of consumers while the Camaro has appealed more to just the gear heads. As for the line about the Camaro V6 putting out numbers close to the GT Mustang, that statistic is a bit misleading. The V6 has it’s peak torque almost 1000 rpm above the Mustang GT’s peak torque which is in fact ~50 ft lbs greater than the Camaro’s V6. The horsepower numbers may be comparable, but the V8’s always have and always will have more low end “grunt.” Horsepower doesn’t really give an overall “view” of the performance of the car. Misleading garbage….

Oh, and the Mustang GT is over 200 lbs lighter than the V6 Camaro.

Guys, i hate to say it, but unless you live on a dragstrip, this is like comparing Camrys to Accords in terms of actual significance. And there is no way a stang or a camaro will ever be the fastest car in the world or hold the ring record.

Payton Byrd:

I used a poor choice of words. I wasn’t really thinking about performance, I was thinking about output and fuel economy, and then implicitly, price. Although you yourself didn’t quote performance tests, the Mustang GT does have drag strip bragging rights, but the difference probably doesn’t make a big impact in daily driving (0.8 second advantage, 0-to-60), and any advantage comes at the cost of poorer fuel economy and an extra seven grand asking price. If you’re spending Mustang GT coin, you gotta compare to the Camaro SS and then the GT is fully smoked.

No, if it were my money, I’d happily take a V6 Camaro over a V8 Mustang.

Well, here’s a comparison of the GT, SS, and R/T. The Mustang GT came out on top!

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison_test/coupes/2010_chevy_camaro_ss_vs_2010_ford_mustang_gt_2009_dodge_challenger_r_t_comparison_test/(page)/1

For those who think the Camaro V6 is a slap in the face to the Mustang GT, you’re wrong. Horsepower numbers are NOT all that matter in performance. Anyway, if you don’t know that by now, there’s no point in me trying to convince you of that. But, take a small turbocharged 300 hp four cylinder. That won’t come close to comparing to a Mustang GT on the drag strip. Small engines do not have the low end power and torque to win against V8’s. And to say “but the Camaro’s V6 has almost as much horsepower as the GT and better mileage,” is just an indication that you’re less concerned about performance that muscle care enthusiasts. Anyway, I still think this is all hype that will die down and the Stang will come out on top like it has for so long.

“Camaro has always been Americas pony car just like the Corvette is Americas Sports car. The Mustang sold because the Camaro was on hiatus and now that it’s back Ford should worry big time. They should just stop building them until they can come up with a legitimate competitor. They also need to work on the poor quality and dismal reliability which plagues Ford products overall.
GM. An American Revolution”

Need More Oil for GM, to put it nicely, you’re wrong. The Mustang came first and has always been America’s pony car. The Mustang sold more than the Camaro and Firebird combined before they died. Why? Because the Mustang appeals to more consumers. Ford doesn’t need to worry. Put in the ecoboost V6 and 5.0 cammer and the Mustang will remain on top. The Camaro still seems too focused on the muscle car crowd to sell as much as the Mustang. As for the quality, they’re highly ranked by JD Power and Associates for initial quality now. They may have been lacking in the past, but if you pay attention to the auto industry besides just your beloved Camaros, you’d know these things.

BIG deal considering the camaro haa not been aroung in years. What a stupid, dumb, moronic article

China with its multitude of brands won’t save Buick JackJim. It won’t China is at the point when are auto industry was a fledging back in the early 1900’s when it was new but with modern manufacturing methods. What you will see JackJim Turk is Massive Consolidation. Sure Buick may get a small chunk but so will every one else. And China will ensure its consolidated brands survives.

i dont care WHAT numbers say, im a GM guy and i still dont like the new camaro

“Camaro has always been Americas pony car…”
LOL yeah right. Besides, a pony and a Mustang are both horses.