Need More Oil for GM, to put it nicely, you’re wrong. The Mustang came first and has always been America’s pony car. The Mustang sold more than the Camaro and Firebird combined before they died. Why? Because the Mustang appeals to more consumers. Ford doesn’t need to worry. Put in the ecoboost V6 and 5.0 cammer and the Mustang will remain on top. The Camaro still seems too focused on the muscle car crowd to sell as much as the Mustang. As for the quality, they’re highly ranked by JD Power and Associates for initial quality now. They may have been lacking in the past, but if you pay attention to the auto industry besides just your beloved Camaros, you’d know these things.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison_test/coupes/2010_chevy_camaro_ss_vs_2010_ford_mustang_gt_2009_dodge_challenger_r_t_comparison_test/(page)/1

For those who think the Camaro V6 is a slap in the face to the Mustang GT, you’re wrong. Horsepower numbers are NOT all that matter in performance. Anyway, if you don’t know that by now, there’s no point in me trying to convince you of that. But, take a small turbocharged 300 hp four cylinder. That won’t come close to comparing to a Mustang GT on the drag strip. Small engines do not have the low end power and torque to win against V8’s. And to say “but the Camaro’s V6 has almost as much horsepower as the GT and better mileage,” is just an indication that you’re less concerned about performance that muscle care enthusiasts. Anyway, I still think this is all hype that will die down and the Stang will come out on top like it has for so long.

I used a poor choice of words. I wasn’t really thinking about performance, I was thinking about output and fuel economy, and then implicitly, price. Although you yourself didn’t quote performance tests, the Mustang GT does have drag strip bragging rights, but the difference probably doesn’t make a big impact in daily driving (0.8 second advantage, 0-to-60), and any advantage comes at the cost of poorer fuel economy and an extra seven grand asking price. If you’re spending Mustang GT coin, you gotta compare to the Camaro SS and then the GT is fully smoked.

No, if it were my money, I’d happily take a V6 Camaro over a V8 Mustang.

There are Mustangs all over the place, and I can’t help but think that the ubiquity of the Mustang is selling a lot of Challengers and Camaros.

gta89mike: “Chevy already had the Corvette. They should have given this to Pontiac as the Firebird/Trans Am instead of the G5 and G3.” You might be right. This car is certainly more in line with what people expect of pontiac than a Cobalt or Aveo.

aggie531: “the hype was all built up because of the transformers movies.” You may be right. Think of what “Sideways” did for Merlot sales.

Bankruptcy2009: “Pontiac was a goner besides Buick is NEXT!.” No, China will keep Buick from going away.

Toyota sold 30,312 Camry sedans and Solaras in June. YTD is 170,605.

leftwingagenda: let me bounce this off you.
Mustang stays as is.
IRS version sold as Mercury Cougar.
Any

Bankruptcy2009: “SALES HAS NOTHING to do with superiority.” true.

kr0nos: Ford should take another stab at the GT.

Oil: No, Ford’s quality is fine.

NB: “The pony car war will be won or lost based on the V6 models.” yep.

Bankruptcy2009: Geography might have something to do with your seeings. My mom traded is her Camry for a Taurus that was “Built in Chicago with Pride.”

llt21: “ANDY if the Camaro+Firebird+TransAM sales where so great in the past why did they stop making these ‘GREAT’ cars.”

Because they couldn’t SELL them!

And to think of it, I was actually thinking you could give me a reason why the “Camaro+Firebird+TransAM” got cancelled but in 2002 even though they toppled the Mustang sales. WHY ANDY?

maybe it’s because despite GM in 2002 almost being in existence for 100 years still had no way in getting their “Camaro+Firebird+TransAM ” to their own dealerships. I guess GM did not have the kind of technology if you will. But yet Ford and Dodge did hmmmmm. WHY ANDY?

That was your reason you gave why the 2010 Camaro couldn’t make the Top 20. Because they could only make so many a day and had no means of getting them to “their GM” dealerships despite GM announcing on Sept 03, 2008 they would begin taking orders in October 2008 for their 2010 Camaro’s. WHY ANDY?

Thanks GM keep it up

I was following your argument well until you stated that the V6 Camaro is nearly as fast as a Mustang GT. This tells me you obviously have done no research, and also managed to ignore every article about the Mustang and Camaro on LLN for months.

3500 # / 315 HP (11.1 lbs/hp) beats 3800 # / 305 HP (12.4 lbs/hp).

And that’s before figuring in tire sizes, gearing ratios, etc.

Right before the Camaro+Firebird+TransAM was canceled in 2002. They had 310hp and 340ftlbs compared the mustang 260hp and 302ftlbs. but yet the the Camaro+Firebird+TransAM were cancelled WHY ANDY?

the Camaro+Firebird+TransAM the had a 6 speed compared to the Mustang 5 speed.

In 2002 before the Camaro+Firebird+TransAM got cancelled they sold 7 different packages. Camaro coupe, camaro z28, camaro 35 anniveristy edition, and Firebird coupe, Firebird Formula, Firebird TrasAm, Firebird Collector’s Edition, compared to the Mustang coupe and Mustang GT. but yet the the Camaro+Firebird+TransAM got cancelled.

Then Pontiac did something STUPID and tried to take on the Mustang ALONE with bringing back something called a GTO. That hadn’t been made in since before i was born. They made this car in 2004-2006. Right before it got cancelled in 2006 it had 400hp compared to the Mustang 300hp. So what happened next it got cancelled. WHY ANDY?

Bottom line is that his history tells us that no matter how many times GM can rebadge the same car to go against the Mustang, Ford will always win. WHY ANDY?

IMO it is because Ford builds much better cars. I give you one example. GM has already recalled the 2010 Camaro. It happen days after it released. I have heard about any 2010 Ford Mustang recalls. WHY ANDY?

ANDY how is this possible sales were so GREAT. ANDY WHY did they get cancelled?

Thank GM keep it up

But, I think they should have used better foresight with the Mustang. The muscle car nod in my book goes to Camaro, based on styling and equipment. I mean, the fact that the base car can run neck and neck with the Mustang’s V8 option is a pretty sizeable slap in the face, not to mention the better fuel economy of the Camaro V6. The 2010 Mustang doesn’t do enough to distinguish itself. GT500 tech should trickle down to the V6 and GT models. The GT500 has gotten considerable praise for its handling, despite the live axle. I’m guessing IRS in the ‘Stang now would be too expensive, until the Mustang platform changes. The problem is, Ford is doing OK, but I don’t think there’s enough coin in their coffers to revise the platform, install IRS, tweak the exterior, and drop in an EcoBoost engine or two, before ‘Stang sales go to Dodge and Chevy.

Ford’s still got lots of work to do.

It’s just a novelty war, is what it is. The same thing could be said with the GT-R, ZR1, and the 911 Turbo’s lap times at the Nurburgring.

enough said haha

NMOFGM

you have to remember ford might be laggin a lil in hp but the new 5.0 mustang is going to come back and dominate the pos camaro with 400+hp and 400+ lb ft of torque

Ford has one foot in the grave? Every time you post you make yourself look more and more stupid. Ford has outperformed Toyota in sales so far this year and lost FAR less money than Toyota. Ford was down 11% and Toyota was down 32% last month. Ford is not on its deathbed.

BTW, the Mustang weighs about 3500lbs and the Camaro weighs about 3800lbs. Not that you would know.

Jul 01, 2009
F-150 rules! Ford close to taking largest-seller crown from General Motors

Ford Motor has crept to within 2 percentage points of becoming America’s largest automaker, June sales figures show (industry story here). General Motors has long held the spot — but it won’t much longer as its Saturn, Hummer, Saab and Pontiac divisions are about to be shed.

Not only did Ford creep up on the leader with strong Ford Fusion sales, but it fended off Toyota. In June 2008, Toyota was handily surpassing Ford’s sales. Last month, Ford sales slipped only 10.7% over the previous year while Toyota was off a shocking 31.9%. GM, trying to keep up sales despite being in bankruptcy reorganization, was off 33.4%, Autodata reported. And Chrysler? Despite having emerged from Chapter 11 under control of Italy’s Fiat, sales were clobbered — off more than 41%.

Ford’s F-150 was solidly America’s top-selling vehicle, followed by Toyota Camry.

Read that and weep, NFMOGM this is just the beginning my friend its going to get worse as your about to find out! Ford has the Taurus just being Introduced. then comes the Lincoln MKT, ***Ford Fiesta-big time sales, Euro Ford Ford/ Focus RS ,Electric Ford Focus, Possibly the Ford KA not to mention the Ford Kuga.
Combine all those Heavy Hits and you losing another 4 to possibly 6 more divisions. This start to look kinda bleak for you. You still have to get out of bankruptcy or face liquidation of all your garbage GM assets lol

This is simple. and this Chevy/Ford pony car showdown will go the same way it always did.
-The camaro will offer more power and more tech (IRS) for more money. Performance enthusiasts will buy it and mod it. Tough guys will buy it.

-Everyone else will buy the mustang. With the new 3.7 liter it will have competitive performance, a MUCH better interior (seriously if you havn’t sat in one go check it out) , and a lower price tag whcih will in the end all but make the choice for consumers.

No one cares wich one runs the faster quarter mile. The pony car war will be won or lost based on the v6 models and the mustang is the better daily driver offering.

BK2009, don;t even get me started on the Coyote. Yeah, a brand new design from Ford. That’s asking for a whole lot of headaches. At least Genral Motors gets its engines right the first time. Each one is proven to last hundreds of thousands of miles on oil changes and plugs. Camaros will live for eons while Stangs have been sent to early graves for catastrophicengine and mechanical failures.

GM. AN American Revolution.

I see more and more Camaros out there and all they’re doing is impressing me more and more. Wow. They have the mustang beat in every respect, sorry Ford fans.