sick nasty

that’s one NASTY time! can’t believe some of these STOCK cars blowing away old records!

Is that still for the stock vehicle?

I’d like to see them offer a similar Hardcore Package like the Viper ACR was running.

I don’t really believe they do those times with stock cars + stock tires.

I’d like to see someone run the ‘ring in a PT Cruiser Turbo, a 2004 Nissan Quest, and a 10-speed bicycle, just for kicks. I’d also really like to see someone run it in an Ariel Atom. That would be really wild.

About this time, I think both the ‘Vette and the Viper ACR have more to give. I’m willing to bet we’ll see the ZR1 time drop below 7:20 within the next few months, and the Viper ACR will probably follow suit. This is getting pretty wild… …and WAY cool. Go USA!

I was thinking the same thing nowei….cut the weight by about 80 pounds, stiffen the suspesion and increase downforce and I bet this thing will easily toast the Viper. I wonder how long it will be before we see sub 7 minute times?

IGC when the GM engineer set the first time it was on a totally stock car. this is the disagreement between Porsche and Nissan, Porsche says the GTR was running factory stock tires.

Yes, let’s see an Ariel Atom lap time! I’d say it would be time to say bye bye to all the super car times except for maybe the long straight. That car isn’t exactly aero friendly.

I’m sick of the ‘Ring’. I want to see how many buses these things can jump at the local fairground.

They keep posting these times but its weird that their posting them at this time of the year. This is peak time to do fast laps on that track (correct me if I’m wrong)…

I’d be very interested to know what the abient temp is when they’re doing this. If its too cold, these tires don’t work as well, if its too hot they don’t work too well. The GTR with AWD obviosly doesn’t get affect quit as much but the ACR & ZR1 does…

Like someone said, they can get these times lower. I’m sure a 1/2 compared to a full tank of gas would even make a considerable change in times over the course of a track this long…

Go USA with vehicles with GREAT DRIVING DYNAMICS!!! Its really surprising to me that a ZR1 would best a PAGANI Zonda F at anything (and it still doesn’t with looks concerned)… It’d be amazing to see Top Gear do a side by side track comparison with a vehicle in that league compared to the ZR1.

I don’t think comparing anything in the $100k range would be worth watching because you know it’d thrash everything out there…

Congratulations GM and Jan Magnussen.

GUYS,

The ariel atom is REALLY REALLY fast (the 200 & 300hp versions) BUT they wouldn’t be able to post times this fast.

The reality is the Ariel wouldn’t be able to throw down big speed on the long straights that this track offers. Now if we were talking about say Road America, it’d be fine but this beautiful German track isn’t prime stomping ground for a vehicle like that. I hate to say it but those vehicles (because they’re not too aerodynamic) run out of steam around 130-135mph…

I’m sure the vehicle would best most of these cars in the turning and braking department but the reality is it wouldn’t best the speed of an Enzo or Pagani Zonda in long sweepers (which this track has MANY OF + long winding straights…

THAT IS THE LAP TIME I’M REALLY INTERESTED IN SEEING IS THE COPARO T1!!!!!

I know the Atom wouldn’t be able to set a record, but it still would be great to see it run the ‘ring.

I think the Caparo T1 would end up in a ball of fire at the end of the longest straight, which still might be cool to see (as long as the driver survives). If it doesn’t, I still doubt it would set a record. It’s too slippery. But I’d love to see it anyway. Also, the KTM Xbow would be great to see, too.

However, I’d also love to see a lot of slow vehicles run the ‘ring. I’d like to see how a minivan would compare to the other cars, or how even a Geo Metro would run. That would be as interesting to me as these supercars, really.

From the BTW file:
It looks like GM will court a real merger partner, and not Chrysler
On hands and knees, but it sounds like an epiphany to me.
Time to bring in a professional

http://www.reuters.com/article/mergersNews/idUST7920920081029

DrFill

Pfft…piss off with the stupid Atom. It’s nothing but an overrated British POS, like most things coming out of there.

beatus- Look for the Top Gear episode where Sabine Schmitz drives a Ford Transit around the ‘ring. Not to mention, this video of someone watching her race the van around, which looks so ridiculous:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XVPmnomMME&feature=related

DrFill, I must content myself with my belief that the Japanese, one of the most literate societies on earth, are not as pig-headed as you portray them with your historically ignorant viewpoint (Notice I said “ignorant” and not stupid. We can all forgive ignorance.). When Japan was on its back after WWII and we needed an ally in Asia to be a bulwark against communism, did we not build up Japan’s industrial sector to above pre-war levels? Did we not transfer technology to them to keep them strong? The leaders at Toyota, unlike DrFill, either study their history or simply have charitable hearts as these executives have been quoted as saying that it would be no good for Toyota if any U.S. domestics go down. This would only increase Toyota’s operating costs (they all share the same suppliers and supply networks) and, worse, increase animosity against the strongest imports (i.e. Toyota). If GM is seeking help from Toyota then it will not be a move that is without precedent. Moreover, I firmly believe that the Japanese government does not want to see its strongest ally and hedge against a rising China lose its ability to domestically produce the very weapons that ensure the security of the Japanese and Americans. America sans the auto-industry = no large scale production of military equipment.

Now, as far as this article goes: Looks like GM makes some products that could entice Toyota into a tech-transfer.

This is great! The Germans and the Japanese are bickering back and forth about whether their cars ligitimately ran the times they are respectively claiming, and in the background the Americans are shaving 4 seconds off of their already more impressive time. All of this with a car that costs $100,000. Amazing!

It is ironic that you try to call me ignorant to mask your own ignorance
You obviously don’t know me
Obviously don’t know that I know as much, probably more, about history than you
So making such ignorant commentary must ease a crying in your soul somewhere
I knew that GM was working Toyota for help in how to run GM
You didn’t until I told you
So who needs to be forgiven?
Your commentary crossed the line from ignorance to stupidity a while ago
That can’t be forgiven
DrFill

Alright DrFill. Good to see you’re such a good sport. Do you really hold a doctorate in anything? Wo shuo yi dian(r) zhongwen. Ni ne (yeah, I do speak enough Chinese)? I’ve spent more than a decade of my life studying Asia (with an emphasis on China). I have my History and Political Science degrees and a minor in E. Asian Studies from a top liberal arts school. Now I’m struggling my way through law school at a top law school. I frequently have to preface remarks on autos with “I do not know much about cars, but . . ..” However, when it comes to history, specifically that pertaining to Asia and America’s economic tie-up with them . . . well, I’ll just wait till you’ve shown that you’ve earned that doctorate. Sorry to the rest of ya’ll for the boring recounting of my life, which does not bear on any of you. Just thought it was time someone said something to this old hack who leaves troll comments devoid of analytical thought, but heavy on: “I read it on the interwebs, which is a series of tubes!!!”

DrFill, Toyota is a great parent company; but, as ZR-1 is showing, they are not the end-all-be-all of autos.

p.s. Leftlane, I completely understand if you want to delete this comment. I won’t be leaving anymore for DocTroll.

Said the Yoda of Trolls…….
I guess you don’t know the meaning of troll either, huh?
That education is really paying off
I complimented the ZR-1 yesterday, BTW
DrFill

“’d like to see someone run the ‘ring in a PT Cruiser Turbo, a 2004 Nissan Quest, and a 10-speed bicycle, just for kicks. I’d also really like to see someone run it in an Ariel Atom. That would be really wild.

About this time, I think both the ‘Vette and the Viper ACR have more to give. I’m willing to bet we’ll see the ZR1 time drop below 7:20 within the next few months, and the Viper ACR will probably follow suit. This is getting pretty wild… …and WAY cool. Go USA!”

Ever heard of a game called Gran Turismo?

Seriously, if you want to run some slow cars on the ‘Ring, go play GT4.

Either way, I agree on the ACR. In fact, I hope to see the Chrysler engineers run the ACR on the ‘Ring once more, just to get it right.

There was a time for the Ariel Atom 500 up on the Wikipedia list of fastest lap times, but it’s no longer there. I remember it being in the top 3 or top 5, before the ZR1 improved its time.

Go leaf springs!!! It’s amazing what leaf springs can do, eh? Imagine what this car would do with coil overs.

Yeah… ZR1!

We all called this. Of course the ZR1 would post a better lap time with a C6R driver behind the wheel, and I’m sure there is still more room for improvement.

I’de like to see Mat Maladin’s Ring time with his AMA Super Bike or Valentino Rosi’s Moto GP bike time around the ring. This would give me a realy good idea of how fast these time really are. i know neither one of these series of racing occurs at the ring. The track is probably too dangerous.

A Corvette C6R lap time would suffice also

If a you guys want a C6R to go round then lets see how a SuperGT500 class R35 Skyline would do, maybe the Xanavi Nismo livery with its driver.

For the last time, the Vettes use ONE leaf spring. You make it sound like they use the same kind that are used on pickups haha. It has one leaf that is made of, correct me if I’m wrong, phenolic resin, which of course is a fancy term for… plastic. If coil-overs worked better for that particular car GM would probably be using them.

I like how some of the comments before are talking about making an ACR version of the Vette, ummm, isn’t the ZR1 pretty much that version for the Z06?
Also, it’s pretty sweet how we are dominating the ring, it is time they got the ACR back on there and really smoked everything, maybe he will shift a little more this time lol

@zeeck

And maybe they’ll put in a taller (numerically smaller) rear end so it will stop bouncing off the redline all the way down the main straight.

Having spent many hours lapping the ‘Ring in Forza 2 with a wide variety of vehicles, I give mad props to anybody who can do it in ANY vehicle in under 8 minutes. My best time so far is 8:32 in a completely maxed out Hennesy Viper.

I only have GT3. My wife won’t let me upgrade.

But video games are not reality. They are fun, but they are not real. I want to see the real runs, not GT4 runs.

And I’ve seen Sabina’s Transit run. It’s funny.