Is the Cruze going to live through a 8-10 year product life cycle? Isn’t that dangerous because the styling can be quite dated? It already looks boring in the photos and the car isn’t even out on the street in North America.

Make mine the SS model.

Out of all the cars that this competes with, I would take this either first or second. I reserve judgment until I see the new Focus in person. I used to like the Mazda 3 until they screwed up the front fascia.

Diff btw 4 door sedan and 4 door coupe? Suicide doors?

First, I’ll admit I’m a Ford fan for numerous reasons – no Fed bailout, making profits on their own, solid business plan and 5+ year strategy, excellent CEO Alan Mulally leadership and brilliant products, just getting better n better, plus I own Ford (F) stock at $1.50… and I’m buying more if you can see their future!

As for the Giant Mess over at Gov’t Motors… I am NOT a fan and I dont buy any of their BS… they’re pissing away more of our taxpayer hardearned money every day, just look at their product plans, total mess up in the air, no synergies, just a Giant Mess, lack of leadership looks like they are just going around in circles chasing their tails… wasting our money… pathetic… just go out of business and spare us!

Look at the Cruze, it already looks years old compared to the awesome new 2012 Ford Focus where Ford has (10) vehicles strategically planned off the C-platform and GM… duh…. 2-4 years away…!

sprockkets – By the looks of the Mercedes 4 door coupe it looks like it just has more of a coupe roof line if you can even call it that and a 2+2 configuration.

4-door Coupe?? As in a remake of the Saturn ION 4-door coupe?

Drew… what makes you think that GM would throw an AWD system in this? They sure as hell don’t in the Cobalt.

@ greg, I am not GM fan by any stretch of imagination, but your post reads like mainland Chinese poster to Chairman Mao 40 years ago. Substitute Mao for Mullaly and you get the same result.

As far as this vehicle, predecessor was a complete turd, so let see how well Daewoo baked this one when it comes. I am sure there will be no shortage of them at rental companies just like Aveo and Cobalt.

As A4 mentioned, the Cobalt doesn’t have a AWD system and still smoked the Mazdaspeed3, the Lancer Ralliart and the Subaru WRX in the Road&Track (or was it Car&Driver, I forgot) comparison. And that was WITHOUT the optional limited-slip diff.

AWD would be nice, but would add some weight to the mix, along with complexity. Might help weight distribution a little though.

I think the assumption made by Drew is that since the Epsilon platform was designed with AWD as a possibility? The Cobalt however was not based on such a platform if memory serves me right…

greg -

As much as a ford fan as I am – GM has better product on the top of it’s lineup. The Taurus has nothing on the new LaCrosse and the Fusion is a sad competitor to the new Regal.

I took a serious look at a new Fusion and came away thinking that the car was a joke. It’s just not competitve against any of it’s newer competition, even with the facelift. The interior looks more or less like a cheap Ford product of 10 years ago.

The Taurus was a little better, but let’s be honest, there are many better cars out their for the $40,000 they want for it. The LaCrosse takes it to the Taurus as far as the interior and on price ($38,000 you get one helluva loaded one). It’s not even close. Plus the Taurus is on a dated platform from Volvo circa 1999 and Volvo doesn’t even use it anymore.

GM’s no saint either – this Cruze already needs a mid-cycle facelift and it’s not even out yet!

I don’t see this being nearly as competitive as the upcoming Ford Fiesta and Focus. I’ve heard nothing “groundbreaking” about the Fuze. The new Focus will be available with all the techno-goodies including Sync, parking assist, full voice-recognition capabilities….all topped off by an incredible engine and transmission combination. No contest whatsoever.

There was a huge amount of hype about Taurus, and while it is not a bad car, Taurus has done everything but set the world on fire. That is probably also the fate of Fiesta. I’m not a fan of everything that GM does but I must admit that their lineup is more exciting than Ford’s.

Plus, Ford makes the greatest Retard-mobile of all time, the Transit Connect, and the distant runner-up, the Flex.

Sorry Borat… Mullaly didn’t kill 50 – 70 million people running Ford. GM on the other hand is run by a group (Obama adminstration) that sees Mao as a “role model” (Anita Dunn).

@ JakeK -Taurus vs. LaCrosse?
Taurus:
$2k less starting price
Bigger interior
More HP
Better mileage
Almost twice the trunk space

The worst thing about the car is the f’ing stupid name.
Shoulda been called Nova or stayed Cobalt.

Names??? LaCrosse means cross-dresser in Canada. Lucerne?? Really…naming a car after milk products?

I’m sorry, TD1, did you just say GM killed 70 million people? I’m lost.
Steve, the Nova name probably won’t ever make a comeback especially with the huge infusion of latino’s.
No Va = No Go.

A4….read Borat’s comment, then you’ll get it.

@ aexcorp

I think your mistaken, the Cobalt SS didn’t smoke the MS3 in that review, the Cobalt SS came in 3 out of 7 which is excellent. The Mazdaspeed3 came in first.

Before I bought my Mazda I test drove the SS, and it was pretty damn fun, but like the review said, the interior is lacking which lead me away from the car.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iTxa6F0AXo

@Jakek66…. New Regal (aka Opel) vs Fusion -
Fusion advantage:
More interior room
More trunk room
More HP
Same city MPG, 2MPG less Hwy

FWD? Come on GM, make it AWD with 2.5 I-4 Twin TurboCharge with 320 hp/300lb tq, that sounds better. This is weak.

Ok everyone, would you buy a “four door coupe” Suzuki Forenza? Because basically, that’s what this is!

Problem that I’ve had an likely will continue to have with small Chevrolet/GM performance cars (such as in the past Cobalt SS, some variations of the Cavalier, Sunbird, Sunfire, Grand Prix and Grand Am) is that they just don’t last long. Sure, their fun to throw around but aren’t safe, aren’t too reliable, aren’t comfortable, have transmission problems and concerns among other things. They seem to get fairly good performance out of them, but at a price. Don’t even bring up quality, because most of those type of cars from GM are just dank.

Oh, before someone goes on saying “yeah, but you can’t expect too much safety without sacrificing driving quality”, although that sort of stuff adds weight… is a three or four star crash test rating too much to ask for? Some sort of door reinforcements atleast? The small Gm products that I’ve driven (and one I’ve had) were all built like tin cans… light and fun to drive, but without ANY concern for safety.

Haha I posted this months ago and all you F*ckers told me to STFU… Just like when I said the Z28 was coming back and half of you attacked me and then LLN finally reported it.

Oh yeah and I had given a close approximate HP ratings and the powertrains for the CTS-V and ZR1 months before LLN or any media sources had that knowledge.

Maybe now some of you fools will actually listen when I saw something of a upcoming product from GM… Probably not because you’re too stupid

MY SOURCES ARE ACCURATE!!!!

Of course this isn’t official bust supposedly the Cruze coupe is supposed to come out no later than fall of next year. And there will at least be a FWD SS variant utilizing the LNF, basically what the 08-09 Cobalt SS Turbo has.

In regards to a possible AWD CRUZE SS, I haven’t heard anything regarding it YET.

>I’m sorry, TD1, did you just say GM killed 70 million people? I’m lost.
Steve, the Nova name probably won’t ever make a comeback especially with the huge infusion of latino’s.
No Va = No Go.<

No Va may mean no go but Nova does not. Thats an old urban myth and the car was sold in latin america and did very well.
If they can sell the Buick Masturbation in Canada than the Nova shouldn't be an issue

damn it! I am NOT writing that Post all over again, LLN, FIX THIS SITE!

hey need4sssssspeed, stfu! (j/k)

and the obama/communist thing is retarded…the democratic health care plan is less comprehensive than the plan put forth by richard nixon just a few decades ago…i guess that makes nixon full on socialist…and the stimulus package contains, guess what, tax cuts…lots of tax cuts…wow, guess those tax cuts are real socialist as well…

knowledge is power, dudes…

Need4SSpeed…seems like your sources ARE accurate. Are you on Obama’s/GM’s payroll too? C’mon, you can tell us. Just curious about where the Welfare checks are going…

I dont want a 4door coupe of the cruze. I want a normal civic fighting coupe that looks more aggressive than the sedan.

I really hope they fail with this stupid deision by them. Who wants to see another 4-door coupe in the industry? Nobody!!! Stupid GM

Right on Paul Mezhir that is where its at. The Fiesta is the #1 Selling car in the UK and at the very top or very near World wide on the sales charts. Its funny how the recently unveiled 2012 Ford Focus has kind of eclipsed the 2011 Ford Fiesta both World cars and both awesome (In their own right)with a set of class leading features no one else in their C and B segments even offers respectively. @howsmydriving ROFL laughing in your dreams buddy Read my first sentence, it already nullifies your worthless argument.
The 2010 Taurus in not suppose to be a volume seller but its doing Awesome in California a state known to buy more imports. Hey even Conan O’Brien is considering a Taurus SHO. You guys will love this video even you guys who don’t like Ford. Hey but Conan is great as usual. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlNJc_bzCls. THe 2010 Ford Taurus is doing just fine. TD1

JakeK66 I disagree with you as well besides the features that TD1 just stated the Taurus is also a better All weather handler in the fact it uses AWD a class exclusive that LaCrosse does not offer, and could embarrass a CTS-V Owner in bad weather driving like the country is going through now with 7 to 13 inches of snow. While the CTS-V and its 556HP Creeps along the Taurus SHO is not effected and drives right past the Cadillac with 200 HP less. The Fusion is awesome as demonstrated by its sales success and power train options, and superior technology over its competition.
Regal is not even here yet and when it does Ford will have something even better!

@TD1, please don’t insult chairman Mao, he killed much more then 70 millions people. Otherwise populations of mainland China would surpass 2 billions by now. My beef is not with dearest chairman but with tone of accolades for Mullaly. The guys does an OK job, but “5+ year strategy, excellent CEO Alan Mulally leadership and brilliant products” is too much anus licking without any benefit for promotion (unless it is Greg represents Ford PR department on this blog).

So GM MAY do what FORD has so far been unwilling to do: Make an AWD version of their compact/small car(s).

HOW long have the FORD faithful in AMERICA been calling out for and AWD FOCUS and now the FIESTA? Managed properly it would have been a killer app for FORD. Baser models sold on safety and as a base for tuners, higher end units for aspiring racers and just fans of FORD Rally. Evoking images of FORD’s very long rally history epitomized by the ESCORT RS200 (aka the Insanity-mobile, The worlds smallest hypercar, the greatest car FORD never meant to build, everything an American sports car could be.. if just a bit bigger and American.) would seal the deal with compact performance fans. Yeah… no…

If GM does offer a performance model of the CRUZE with AWD, plays up the cars race winning history, as a FWD, wins some races as an AWD (That may be a very tall order given just what it is up against), does their best not to run completely afoul of LANCER and IMPREZA fans, and does not drop the car over some short term sales hiccup (It’s sales drop 10% for a month), then this could be a big long term hit for GM and CHEVY. Of course, they better offer something more heated than 260hp. Prospect buyers will expect no less that 300hp as a start.

Give me an AWD CRUZE SS and I will seriously consider dropping my moratorium on four cycle engines.

I saw the Cruze at the auto show last week. I have no idea if it’s any good but it already looks like its been on the road for 4 years. That can’t be a good thing.

@BK2009 Lacrosse most certainly does offer AWD as an option on the CXL trim level. My boss drives one!

By the time these various iterations of the Cruze are available for public consumption the Detroit Lions will have won the Super Bowl.

85ZingoGTR,
That’s actually what crossed my mind too. I don’t think their cruze will be cruising anywhere with a real 4-door coupe like the CC.

JakeK66 – stick it up your A$$ you stupid GM bigot, just dont waste my money on your BS!

I put my money on Ford and own thousands of shares of (F) stock because I believe in what they are doing and what’s coming, not PR, just facts! In the worst economy in decades with 2 of the big 3 filing bankruptcy, Toyota losing $Billions, Ford produces a $2.7 Billion profit while GM consumes $10’s Billions of our taxpayer money and will NOT pay most of it back, a giant loss for us all. So why would anyone with half a brain want to support a BS operation like GM when you have a solid American company, making money on its own in Ford… just face the facts!

I see Ford (F) stock at $30+ in 2-years, heres why: compared to Toyota ($125B market cap, $30B cash, $35B debt, stock at $73), Honda ($130B market cap, $10B cash, $20B debt, stock at $35), Ford ( $35B market cap, $25B cash, $35B debt, stock at $11). As Ford sales and marketshare continues to rise and profits increase, wall street will reward Ford (F) with a higher value on par with its competitiors Toyota and Honda so Ford should have at least be a $100B market cap which puts its stock at $33 in 2-years an easy triple for my money…!

Look at Ford’s strategy for the global Focus, 2 million annual sales, (10) vehicles off 1-platform, up scale appointments and higher feature content for an avg sale price $20K for higher profit margins. If Ford’s gross profit on Focus is only 5% thats an easy $2B profit per year on just (1) car platform… got it!… buy Ford (F)…!

OK am i the only one that remembers an article from GM a while back stating that their performance division that made all the performance chevy’s (minus the vette and the camarro ss) was shutting down ? they never said anything that it was safe so with that in mind how viable is a Cruze SS… without overly bashing the cobalt SS it was fast as hell but the ride quality was crap and it didnt feel secure taking turns at speed. an AWD version would fix that last issue . As the article says it COULD get the AWD from the epsilon platform, but im doubting GM would be so daring

1) “The car looks like it’s been around for a few years and it hasn’t even come out yet….”

First, the car has been out for a well… in MEXICO. The car is set to launch in the US later this year when production begins in Lordstown, Ohio.

Second, instead of the car being some bat-sh*t crazy looking future f**k fest that dares you to like it until you get so used to it that it stops offending you, the CRUZE looks thankfully “tastefully futuristic”. Familiar yet moving on. Stylistic evolution over revolution. It’s one of the things about the the new FOCUS that bothers the heck out of me. It’s like when the current MAZDA 6 came out only this is going to take longer as it is totally out of character for FORD (I was personally expecting something along the line of the TAURUS) and it really hits me as too much.

2) “General Motors, Giant Mess, Government Motors…”

First, GM finally settled to make Ed Whitacre CEO.. the sitting CEO not interim of the company, a couple of weeks ago. Now solid decisions were made for the last several months as to avoid forcing any final CEO choice from having to work around corporate decisions that did not match the CEO’s own plans or were made solely to appease cheat-shooters, politicians, or to look like they were doing anything even if it was the wrong thing. If GM looked like it was a mess, which it isn’t, it’s because the company had no leader. Now that it does things should get moving fairly soon.

Second, I don’t know how many times anyone has to be told this: GM and CHRYSLER received financing for their bankruptcies which are being erroneously labeled by mob-minded populists as “bailouts”. If the banks that could have done financed the bankruptcies chose not to chose not to for whatever reason other than that they could not, then it would be a different story and popular outrage toward GM and CHRYSLER would be justified. If those banks were not so F**ked up from their own mismanagement, then GM and CHRYSLER would not have had to go to the Government. Then it would have been much less of a public spectacle and these sad-sack labels would have been and gone. After all, we don’t want our government helping business to succeed or survive… like TOYOTA, HONDA, NISSAN, VOLKSWAGEN, MERCEDES-BENZ, HYUNDAI-KIA… Hypocrites.

3)”…without overly bashing the cobalt SS it was fast as hell but the ride quality was crap and it didn’t feel secure taking turns at speed.” “…AWD from a Epsilon platform…”

First, The COBALT SS took the fastest lap around NURBURGING in it’s class @ 8min 22.85sec. If you felt unsafe taking the car at speed around a turn, then you need to learn to drive. AS for ride quality, Yeah I’d like to be as comfy in a performance tuned econo-box as is a luxury cruiser. But don’t make it sound like your riding a skateboard down the street on your @$$ (I was a kid once). Also if you are driving a COBALT SS – even as a tester, you are obviously not that picky… nor should you be.

Second, the CRUZE is built on a DELTA II platform not the mid-size Epsilon platform. and you are right AWD may not come to the CRUZE as GM does not have prior AWD development for the DELTA II. But it is not impossible it would just be largely a matter of using shorter drive shafts and swapping out the Torsion beam SIRS for the Epsilon’s IRS to fit the rear drive components.

4)”[the]predecessor was a complete turd, so let see how well [GM Daewoo] baked this one when it comes.”

The Delta II platform was developed “globally” for global sale. Whatever that means it by no means automatically defaults that the platform was sourced developed in S Korean. Development was done throughout the world including Australia (by Holden), Canada, China, South Korea (by GM Daewoo), Sweden, the United Kingdom and the United States. While not a simultaneous or near so global launch as the new FORD FOCUS is meant to be, it is hardly going to another weak stab at the compact car market. It could be better, but then it would also cost more for ability it would never actually need. If anything this take of using Epsilon parts may mean IRS for higher performing models.

Sorry Blakkarr, but the spin doesn’t work anymore. The US government OWNS 60% of GM (Canada owns 12.5%). It is a government owned and operated company….period.

I want to see GM succeed, but not on welfare.

Again, there is only one independent American car company left – Ford.

Sorry but the only good 4 door coupe under 20K is the Sonata.

The car was already out in Europe and Asia, but I agree that the Cruze exterior looks a bit dated.

One thing I hate is the name, this and the Buicks, crap names. Pick up some old names from Pontiac and/or Oldsmobile, The next generation Lucerne could be a Buick Aurora, the LaCrosse should have been changed to Allure like in Canada. Regal is good. Cruze should get renamed to Alero(Nova means No Go in spanish, so thats not an option) and the Cruze-”4 Door Coupe” could get the Monza name.

GM may be government owned but it is not operated or run by the government any more than Ford is.

Cruze is also up for car of the world. Must have something going for it.

Perhaps “production ” has been going on for well over one year but the first Cruze was sold Feb 27 in Australia. Europe was March. China was April. Mexico was October.

Agree that it is not exactly “futuristic” looking but as I have stated before it looks better than the Accord or Camry.

Look for a major redo in 3 years. GM knows they have a problem.

F50 – There is no more Buick Allure in Canada. GM changed it to the LaCrosse. As for the other car names. I could not care less personally what a car is named as long as it looks good, performs well and is reliable. For all those reasons I would most likely look at Chevy Cruze SS when they come out.

I am all for more performance versions of compact/midsize products in the Chevy line up but SS should be used for Camaro/Corvette not on FWD based models. Didn’t Chevrolet learn anything when the started puttting SS badged on everything from the Cobalt, HHR, Malibu & Impala and TrailBlazer a couple of years ago? What is next a Traverse, Equinox, next generation Aveo and Spark SS. I would rather see them use RS on the FWD based cars.

Buick Regal now their is a joke. The car looks nice but Buick should have been killed off with Pontiac. I mean Buick is an old man’s car and the only reason why I see Buick Surviving is China. It seems GM has duped the chinese into thinking Buick is a leading edge car. wait til the chinese figure out its not and learn what most americans consider buick a joke and not a serious competitor.

Bankruptcy2009 – Go back to the Ford showroom and drool over your Taurus SHO. GM has done the right thing by keeping Buick. Feel free to get back to this post once Mercury is in the same ball park as Buick as Ford does not compete for the same market. I have nothing against Ford as I know they make good cars and trucks, but Buick is doing a good job as well. I would consider buying one and I am 34.

@TD1,
Depends on what you consider spin. I suppose knowing the entire situation counts for nothing and all you need is the tag lines the far right “conservatives” and “tea party” wanna-bes feed you. After all, why should you know enough to think for yourself and actually understand the why’s and how’s along with the what when the whole truth is not as comforting as half truth or a whole lie penned for political convenience? Of course, if you know all that the “what” changes quite a bit.

Don’t misunderstand, which is likely too late for you, I am not happy that GM had to file for bankruptcy. I think GM was too big to ever actually fail… not let fail, go out. I am happy that GM is working to pay back it’s loans and they ARE loans, that they are clearly determined to make amends for their decades a less than stellar performance and behavior, and that they are actually doing the best work I think anyone can remember them doing since the 1960s. In some cases, better than most of the competition, especially for the money.

I don’t feign personal indignation or mindlessly get scared or angry over things I can’t change or control. I do try to understand them and get on with my life.

Blakkarr – You forgot to mention that GM actually has started to have Positive Cash Flow as well which is a very good thing. They also may be able to buy themselves back from the Governments once they start selling on the Stock Exchange again.

@bigdawg,

You might want to check out Honda and their much vaunted “type-R” badging. Civic, Integra, both FFs, both get tapped with top performance treatment.

The COBALT SS, for whatever reason you like it or hate it, deserved the badge for the work put into it. Did CHEVY devalue the SS badge by sticking on everything they had without making it worthy of it? Yes I would think they did. But SS stands for “Super Sport” and it was well applied to the CAMARO and the COBALT, though I have my misgivings about it being used on a CORVETTE for some reason, it seems needlessly redundant next to the Z06, ZR-1, and Grand Sport.

A CRUZE SS will likely receive the same going over than the COBALT did. Though it looks like they are proposing more as the car may get modded with AWD, a few considerable steps further. So, FF, or FR, the SS badge still counts if the car is head and shoulders ahead of the rest of the model line. Since the COBALT SS was such a bad-@$$ and totally unexpected for GM to crank out such a car, A CRUZE SS should be awesome, even if they opt to keep it FF.

@Bankrutcy2009,

The Chinese know what they like and why. BUICKs are gorgeous, ornate, cars and they don’t cost a bleeding fortune. Also the Chinese seem to have always loved BUICKs. To be honest, I felt that GM should have sent BUICK to China and kept PONTIAC… and I still do. But BUICK is not considered a joke except by Detroit-bashers like yourself who can’t get over themselves trying to make theirs sound like the majority opinion when it clearly isn’t.

The Cruze will be a far better car than the overpriced, hideous 2012 Focus. Too bad that Ford, with that $5.9 BILLION they got from the government, couldn’t hire some competent people to design a car. Instead we have cars that are styled by 5-year olds both inside and out.

The Cruze SS only makes sense. Why waste that wonderful, unmatched powertrain that was found in the Cobalt SS. Which, speaking of that powertrain, isn’t it funny that GM isn’t cheerleading about having a direct injected, turbo motor. Ford can’t get enough of themselves saying how great that believe they are because they thought up the Twin Force engines…yet GM has had them for years.

Ford = always one step behind.

Keep spinning Blakkarr, some people still believe you here.

BTW…. Obama said he took 60% OWNERSHIP of GM, I don’t think he is a conservative. Not to mention Obama’s car czars he’s appointed to “help”.

Bottom line, GM is on welfare because the couldn’t make it on thier own.

….but like all welfare recipients, we hope they get off it soon. (Not saying there aren’t a lot of good people building some good products there at GM)

GM Management took a look at the Next Gen Focus which incidentally comes in 4-door hatch and 4-door sedan, and figured, Yep, Focus makes our Cruze looks Dated and Obsolete……… Lets COPY ford’s idea and comeup with a 4-door Cope… Sorry GM, no matter what you do… Your Cruze with that front Grill going always to look outdated…..

Hey Jake, that guy greg, yeah, he’s a dick.

Wow greg…you childish, baseless rants read like a typical Ford press release. Overpowering arrogance while ignoring the facts.

Ford took government money ($5.9 billion)
Ford lost retail market share in January.
Their “new” appliances are not selling anywhere near where they should
Ecoboost does not increase fuel economy by 20%
They are in debt up to their eyeballs.

If you are telling the truth about your Ford investments…get out now…while the stock is severely over inflated.

Ok the new ford focus, is really nice…….but look what has been the focus…..ugly cars, not hard to improve. The front end of the new focus to me still looks kinda lame and the taillights suck, This might look dated but the interior is nice and compared to the 4door cobalt this does look far better. What i do think is funny is people on here talkin about China and buick, when in china their buicks dont look like they do here, so yeah i can see why they buy them, they have had nicer cars over there. And the GM bail out bashing is sooooo stupid, how many of you sent back the money you got from bush’s stimulus plan? None, so stop being hypocritical. You took money, but a company cant. If noone got bail outs…..not thousand but Millions of people would lose jobs, from the banks to GM, the dealers, the mechanics, sales people, from the top to the very very bottom. So again, think of all of it befor you start bitchin.

The LNF must be insanely expensive to produce or something. That’s the only reason I can see for GM not offering it in every vehicle in their lineup. It is a wonderful powerplant in stock form and can put out ridiculous amounts of power and torque with only a few basic modifications.

Cruze SS, Camaro Turbo using GMPP stage 1 (290hp, 340lb/ft), equal to the V6 in the Malibu, Impala, and Equinox, better than the I5 in Colorado, replace the tired old 4.3L V6 still being used in the Silverado. Why GM… why do you not spread the wealth?

“Cruze SS, Camaro Turbo using GMPP stage 1 (290hp, 340lb/ft), equal to the V6 in the Malibu, Impala, and Equinox, better than the I5 in Colorado, replace the tired old 4.3L V6 still being used in the Silverado. Why GM… why do you not spread the wealth?”

Agreed x1,000,000,000

As long as it doesn’t cost more than the Camaro.

“As for the Giant Mess over at Gov’t Motors… I am NOT a fan and I dont buy any of their BS… they’re pissing away more of our taxpayer hardearned money every day, just look at their product plans, total mess up in the air, no synergies, just a Giant Mess, lack of leadership looks like they are just going around in circles chasing their tails… wasting our money… pathetic… just go out of business and spare us!”

It’s amazing how a person can use so many words and yet manage not to say a damn thing. If my grandmother were going to have a rant about GM, that’s what it would sound like, because that woman doesn’t know a bloody thing about GM or the auto industry.

BTW, I love you Gram.

Also, La-crosse means to yank it, in Quebec French, not Cross-dresser.

“the Taurus is also a better All weather handler in the fact it uses AWD a class exclusive that LaCrosse does not offer, and could embarrass a CTS-V Owner in bad weather driving like the country is going through now with 7 to 13 inches of snow. While the CTS-V and its 556HP Creeps along the Taurus SHO is not effected and drives right past the Cadillac with 200 HP less.”

Excellent logic. My Saturn Vue is a better performance car than the Corvette ZR1, because once the snow flies, I’m outta there! You heard it here, folks. Everything with AWD is better than the CTS-V…… on ice.

You guys are on a roll today.

“Buick Regal now their is a joke. The car looks nice but Buick should have been killed off with Pontiac. I mean Buick is an old man’s car and the only reason why I see Buick Surviving is China.”

Didn’t Buick just lead the industry in sales growth last month? Yeah, I think they did.

The Realist you are definitely NFMOGM! an Unbiased panel of 50 judges overwhelmingly picked the 2012 Ford Focus over every other car at the Detroit autoshow.

Please lets not talk about Soup kitchen line hand out GM ok. they were on the Public Dole while Ford Motor Refused and did’nt need to follow suit into Bankruptcy Court like GM did!

Keep believing your non-sense unrealist. its the other way around Ford is 10 steps ahead of GM!

Please, tell us where Ford is leading the industry, Bankruptcy. They’re closer than the other two Domestic automakers to making mainstream pure EV’s, and that’s pretty much it. I like Ford, and they’ve got some great competitive products, but industry leaders they aren’t. They like telling us they’re revolutionising the auto world in their adds, but really, they’re just catching up to the industry. Their big Ecoboost revelation is something they tried in the 80’s, (which was pioneered by GM in the 60’s, and perfected by Porsche in the 70’s). As mentioned, DI and turbocharging at the same time are only new to Ford. Is it the fact that they’re finally making crossovers? No, that can’t be it. Hybrids? Nope. EV’s, nothing new there from Ford. Just a lot of old EV tech from a mainstream automaker.

What really makes Ford that different from GM? Ford managed to acquire financing by betting the ENTIRE farm, so they could afford to reorganise. No one would lend GM money but the Government. Do you think Ford has finished paying those fellows off yet? Are the entire assets of FoMoCo still being used as collateral? Did that financing come indirectly from TARP funding? It would be worth knowing, to shut all of these Ford>GM punks up, if Ford is surviving off tax dollars.