Comment by cardesigner5, posted on November10 at 5:44 pm
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sorry cd5 if i took it wrong, you are not a bad guy.

Straight GOSPEL!

I explain the Saturn line up to you just a week ago and now you talk about Saturn as if we haven’t had that argument before. Is it too hard to understand that it goes like this:

Sky originated HERE and was EXPORTED as the Opel GT and Daewoo GX2
Outlook originated HERE and has not be exported
Vue originated in KOREA and was IMPORTED as the Vue (also Antara, Captiva, and Winstorm)
Astra originated in EUROPE and was IMPORTED as the Saturn Astra
Aura and Malibu were designed here seperate from the Vectra

The point is, Saturn got only ONE (two at best) of its cars from Opel. Also, Saturn and Opel are in the same market (European, uplevel mainstream cars). GM (and everyone) wanted Opels in America so GM had two choices: Kill an entire brand (Saturn) and completely replace it with an entirely new brand (Opel) OR simply keep the Saturn brand and import Opel’s as Saturns, an brand that was already established in America that people were familiar with. Also, NO ONE is trying to hide the fact that many Opels and Saturns are the same. Again, Saturns and Opels are IN THE SAME PRICE RANGE. Honda, on the other hand, tries to sell its Honda’s at double the price as Acuras. They try to pass off Honda’s as luxury cars while GM is simply imported their Euro cars and selling them here as Euro cars for the same prices. That is what makes the Saturn-Opel relationship OKAY and Acura a FAUX luxury division. Same tihing with the GTO and G8. Holden and Pontiac are IN THE SAME PRICE RANGE. GM is not selling Chevrolets as Cadillacs like Honda is doing with Acuras. They don’t even have V8s!! How pathetic is that??

Do you agree or do I explain it more?

Here is a direct quote from that MT article “Taking the BREAD & BUTTER Honda’s platform to the NEXT LEVEL in terms of performance, style, and LUXURY amenities- How is that an insult?

There are studies that link mental retardation with janitors.

A—a is just as luxury as a bavarian, and a Cobalt — nay, an aveo — is just as exotic as an F430.

No wonder you’re angry, you keep trying to convince yorself your accord isn’t an accord.
But you won’t convince me or motor trend

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/oneyear/112_0410_2004_acura_tl/

I don’t care whether GM gets on top in sales. Long as the company sells enough vehicles to stick around when I need another one.

Acura is just as luxury as your Bavarian. Its better than Cadillac bc they have higher resales Check an 04 TL vs a CTS see which is more ? People don’t consider the CTS next to its Japanese counterparts Maybe this current model will change that but It probably will take more than one model cycle

Keep holding on to your dreams of GM being on top again. Its cute in a Santa Claus sort of way

And yes the Malibu is faux-luxury because it’s goal is to emulate a 40k car, but cost half. Acura’s are also faux because they are up trim Hondas imported from Europe but are priced as if they were exclusive luxury cars like BMWs or Cadillac. Cadillac was like that at one point because it used rebadged cars from lower-divisions that were stuffed with luxury features. That was bad and fortunately Cadillac doesn’t do it anymore. Take for example the Sigma platform which is EXCLUSIVE to Cadillac and its customers.

Lol, the Traverse doesn’t exist yet – we are not even 100% sure it will be called that. This just shows your bias and hate for American products at its deepest level. YOU HATE AND ARE BASHING A CAR THAT IS NOT EVEN OUT YET!!! And your reason for bashing it? Because it’s from GM. And your justification for bashing GM all the time? Because they made **** like the Cimarron TWENTY YEARS AGO. I am so glad that there are people on this forum smart enough to be fairminded and give ALL cars a chance instead of listening to your flawed (and twenty-year old) logic.

Ray,

1) YOU assumed things about the Malibu interior based upon your experience with a rental Cobalt. It does not get a whole lot more embarassing for you than that, retard.

2) You drive a fekkin Accrud. I’m sure it will reliably haul your butt to and from the geriatric home to the pharmacy or walmart.

The traverse doesn’t exist yet. You still haven’t figured out apostrophes yet.

Yeah, I’m buying a buick that is essentially a rebadged Saturn/GMC. What’s your point? On it’s own merits, the enclave is

yeah, Tom Brady and Peyton Manning are equally terrible quarterbacks. Meanwhile, your accord is Jim Druckenmiller.

You lack the brains to be a janitor.

Comment by cardesigner5, posted on November10 at 10:12 am
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about this car….meh average, nothing too special.
let the hating begin.

Comment by CTS DRIVER, posted on November9 at 6:08 pm
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you should read the posts first cd5, sorry to hear you are so angry with me and commo, i dont care if you think i am horrible and nasty, i am at leat fair and open minded.

cd5: the only erectionable cars are ferraris, in my opinion

1115: I don’t think many people think being a janitor makes someone less of a human being. Janitors are not despicable, the world needs them. I don’t hesitate to tell people that I worked as a janitor. But I don’t want my kids doing it. No that it’s not worthy work, but we all want something more for my kids. You, for some reason, think janitors are beneath you. Elitist piece of ****!

Fluffers, though, are generally despised, and you’ll soon lose your job to a blue pill, and get your accord repossessed. then, you’ll “drive” a 13-year-old Civic. You’ll sit in it at the junkyard, and pretend you’re going somewhere, and remember the times you almost got to swallow some of North Hollywood’s best.

Vejida with yeast infection: a C-class is still a Benz, and a “TL” is still an accord. Are you that thick-headed?

Cd5: my uncle says he’d marry Courtney Love. A guy on a Nebraska radio station described her as “skanky hot.” I disagree with both. Jaime Pressley is skanky hot.

When you accuse a vehicle of “just being ” another vehicle the general rule is the Vehicle you are comparing should be a cheap unreliable vehicle like lets say .. A Tempo …A Cimmaron ..or a K Car

When you say “it’s just an Accord” or “it’s just a Pilot” you only look like an idiot bc the Accord and the Pilot are class leaders from a company that has a car with the highest resale value not to mention three of America’s best sellers. The cars share the same platform but they have diff sheet metal, engines, and driving dynamics.

GM uses the same platform to make 4 versions of the same vehicle The Enclave you are buying on your janitors salary is just a Traverse. There is a 10k difference btw those vehicles and they aren’t proven reliable or dependable yet. At least this time they made the interiors different and designed them different but they all share the same platform and engine. The cosmetics are different. Those vehicles are the same and you are spending Buick $$$ on a Chevy They are all equally POS’s

Quit making such stupid assumptions. You’re embarrassing yourself. Comparing this interior to the Cobalt’s, I’m making a statement about this cheap-looking interior. I didn’t say a thing about any other GM product-many of which have very decent or nice interiors. The new Malibu’s interior was so hyped, GM leaked sketches and photos of it a long, long time ago-over a year ago-to get everyone excited about it.

Now, I’m not going to assume that you’re as stupid as you probably are, so you’ve probably heard from different sources that this is GM’s most important launch in years. Not only did they say this about the Tahoe, then the Silverado, but that’s the same thing they said when they built that car in the late 1990’s that resurrected the Malibu nameplate. That was the car that was going toe-to-toe with the Camry and Accord. Now GM uses it in the new Malibu ads as a car that should be ignored. As in, if you bought this car from us a few years ago, you were an idiot because it sucked. I think this car is good-looking (not great), perhaps a little better looking than even the Honda Accord sedan. But definitely not worth all hype.

As for my Accord coupe, I paid well below sticker. I could not be more pleased with the interior, and I have received nothing but compliments about it, inside and out. Getting laid has never been a problem for me. But thanks for your concern.

1115: I don’t think many people think being a janitor makes someone less of a human being. Janitors are not despicable, the world needs them. I don’t hesitate to tell people that I worked as a janitor. But I don’t want my kids doing it. No that it’s not worthy work, but we all want something more for my kids. You, for some reason, think janitors are beneath you. Elitist piece of ****!

Fluffers, though, are generally despised, and you’ll soon lose your job to a blue pill, and get your accord repossessed. then, you’ll “drive” a 13-year-old Civic. You’ll sit in it at the junkyard, and pretend you’re going somewhere, and remember the times you almost got to swallow some of North Hollywood’s best.

Vejida with yeast infection: a C-class is still a Benz, and a “TL” is still an accord. Are you that thick-headed?

Cd5: my uncle says he’d marry Courtney Love. A guy on a Nebraska radio station described her as “skanky hot.” I disagree with both. Jaime Pressley is skanky hot.

Ray, you drive an new Accrud with a cheaper-ass interior.
You likely paid full sticker or an add-on to do so.
You ar officially a fekkin retard who will never get laid again.