Sharp exterior, hate the interior. 251hp isn’t bad, but out of 3.6liters?

Yet more Tedious Crap from GM

Sorry mujician, I like the interior- very distinctive. I think I’ll wait for an LTZ to come off a three year lease and then pick it up for the price of a four cylinder Accord. As for the lesser models, see you at the airport rental counter.

I think this car is going to surprise many of you that are prematurely calling it crap. I have already read a review that favored it over the new Accord, which itself is favored over the Camry.

It is interesting to note that the interior upgrade two tone is part of the 3LZ package on the vette. Can’t say as I like the colors offered. They definitely need a SS version with more power—they will capture another 10-15% if they do. But whom am I to question anything GM does? (It’s the power, stupid)

The red piping on the seats is a neat detail. Where’s some good modern Buicks? GM is really missing the boat with that brand.

Meh, it a good looking car, dont get me wrong ,but the interior is boring to me. No nav option, this is getting ridiculous, I wont even look at a car without a nav screen.(may the last statment was extreme, but come on, in 07) For the money I’d get the Saturn Aura which is a better looking car and the interior layout and materials are about the same. I hope it does well anyway.

The 3.6L is more focused towards having a healthy torque curve rather than a meaningless peak horsepower number. It feels much stronger than the 270hp V6 in the Altima.

The Chevy Malibu is GM’s savior and now I understand why LLN is being paid to advertise this POS
It will sell but it wont convert an import buyer and that is what GM needs. Its not good enough
It doesnt look good enough
If it drives like the Aura it doesnt drive good enough
Its not built well enough to compete with the Japanese
I will look fwd to LLN running more pro GM test drives and throwing in a Japanese one every one in a while to throw us off
I would rent this but never buy it
LLN where is the post about the 09 Sonata ???

WOW!!!!! WOW!!!! WOW!!!!
I absolutely cannot wait until my vacation next week, so I can pick one up at either Hertz or Enterprise. Keep going GM as people that rent vehicles often, like me need more choices….

Domestic buyers have not had a decent choice in full size sedans since the luster wore off the 300C. So how do any of you psychics have any idea how many import buyers are going to stay away from this car? Sunday paper writeups, C&D and Automobile are all impressed with this car, so all they need now is the Consumer Report stamp of approval and Mr. and Mrs. Sixpack are off to the GM dealership!

Besides, even if you want to buy import, the Camry is already old, the new Honda is a stylistic mess, and the Altima is too sporty for lots of people.

I’m no big fan of GM, I just read a lot of car reviews from a variety of sources and this is how they see it.

115, how many times are you told your a moron in 1 day? Do you suffer from any mental illness’?

Good GOT this car has a hideous backside. Those taillights are SO xxxxING AWFUL that i grimace every time I see them. The interior is a step up from before, but why are they still using the same cloned HVAC/Audio controls? The front end and side profile are attractive. But god damnit the rear is so ugly I could never consider this car.

Better. I dunno… I like the interior and the subtle exterior changes over the standard LS model, and the power increase that comes with the V6 is also a plus. But this car really doesn’t do anything for me… not that anything else in this segment does btw. But if I was shopping for a car in this price range, I’d definitely give it a more thorough look.

What I really like most, what really strikes me as most interesting about this, is I’m reading this article stating “Driving Impressions: 2008 Chevrolet Malibu LTZ” and directly to the right of this statement and article, is, curiously enough, an advertisement for the 2008 Chevrolet Malibu.

Absolutely murders toy———————————————————-ota scamry

taillights are a bit of a turnoff for me, but its a decent car. offer a manual which would be nice.

The Chevy Malibu is GM’s savior and now I understand why LLN is being paid to advertise this POS
It will sell but it wont convert an import buyer and that is what GM needs. Its not good enough (YOUR OPINION, NO FACTS TO BACK THIS UP)
It doesnt look good enough (ONCE AGAIN, YOUR OPINION, MANY FIND IT ATTRACTIVE)
If it drives like the Aura it doesnt drive good enough (BASED ON ONE ALREADY BIASED DRIVE IN A RENTAL AURA, PLEASE. MANY REVIEWS HAVE NOTED IT’S MORE FUN TO DRIVE THAN THE CAMRY.)
Its not built well enough to compete with the Japanese (OPINION ONLY, THE JAPANESE STANDARD IS NO LONGER THAT LOFTY.)
I will look fwd to LLN running more pro GM test drives and throwing in a Japanese one every one in a while to throw us off (PRETTY MUCH ALL MALIBU REVIEWS HAVE BEEN VERY POSITIVE, WHAT MAKES LEFTLANE ANY DIFFERENT?)
I would rent this but never buy it (SO YOU ARE SAYING YOU WILL BE CHOOSING THE MALIBU OVER THE CAMRY THAT WILL BE SITTING RIGHT NEXT TO IT?, NICE!)
LLN where is the post about the 09 Sonata ??? (WHO CARES?)

Comment by tripleonefive, posted on November10 at

poor LLN , I feel sorry for the poor bastard’s. Now the are stuck in a rut having to drive these medicore vehicles and then rave about them so the can continue to be sponsored by GM, it’s like the have become GM’S little bitches.
If this car was reviewed by an unbiased european motoring journalist it would be declared no better than average.

Guys guys guys … don’t sweat comments from fekkin nutless juvenile geriatrics like 1115 and Lambo, both of whom know nothing of which they rhetorically disembogue.

And don’t sweat Ray Sinclair, either, whose head is so deeply embedded in his grizzly äss that he blindly thinks the new Accrud interior is stylish. Sheeeeesh.

“unbiased EUROPEAN motoring journalist”… Either my sarcasm meter is off or you really lack a thing called common sense…

Why do people bother with the import monkeys here? Why anyone ever bothered with GM_SALES I couldn’t understand either. Just ignore and move on.

Well, on LLN alone 1115 is REMINDED (not just told) that he is a moron every time he posts. So basically however many times he posts a comment on LLN is how many times he is reminded he is a moron, to answer your question mujucian.

And once again he is providing more evidence for what a moron he is. His flagship anti-GM argument (and pretty much the only he has left) is that there is a conspiracy going on where everyone from LLN to JD Power and every other person or thing that says something good about GM is being paid by GM to say it. So the hundreds of good comments and reviews made by respected auto journalists are not true, the people were paid to make them………… yea, right. That’s like if I said that many of these random people propping up on LLN and making the same comments you (like “larsim”) are actually second accounts made by you

His other arguments are:
1. GM build a couple bad cars in the past so they will never build a good one again

2. GM sells a lot to rental companies (even though they have reduced such sales A LOT). You are much more likely to rent a Chrysler from Enterprise or Hertz than a GM.

3. The Traverse is bad (even though it’s not even out yet!!!)

O, and MHW is COMPLETELY right. MHW, is shutting him up fun or what?

GM has e habit of making the base models interior lame. They should make all color options available across the line and not use the cheap shifter at all.
The Steering Wheel looks cheap, especially the logo in the middle-Chevy should take the Steering Wheel from the Saturn Vue or Astra-both are an improvement.
The 6 speed should be available in all levels, not just the LTZ-thats just plain stupid.
The Taillights suck, I think it would look better if they removed the lights from the trunk.
Otherwise, I’d still say the Malibu is nicer than the Camry and the new Accord looks like ass.

Commo’s arguments are:

1. GM has built **** for 20 years but all of the sudden they have 3 cars that will save the company even though they just came out and have no history of reliability

2. GM doesn’t sell to rental fleets anymore but Toyota does even though he has no evidence of that he says it to try and win my arguments

3. The Traverse is the best CUV out there even though it’s a clone of 3 other models that are unproven from a company full of low resale and unreliable vehicles

4. You should buy American BC you live in America. You should take a chance on a POS American car while he drives a Bavarian car. He promises to trade his Bimmer in for a Cadillac, he promises. Basically he doesn’t believe what he says but he wants America to win the car wars but he doesn’t want to actually own one.

Those 2-tone seats don’t work for me.

LLN is being paid to advertise this POS? Somebody needs to figure out what news is.

It’s highly unlikely that a fluffer can come up with reliable statistics on who will buy what.

MHW, Commodore: your (sic) on the ball.

Fluffer’s idea of a non-biased car magazine?
One that says what bhe wants it to say

Impulsive: I think a lot of people missed GM Sales’ point. It was pure entertainment. Hope he isn’t gone for good. I’m sure he could regale us with how the Cobalt SS will mop the Ring with the GT-R

Congratulation to all on well spend weekend. Do you people screw opposite sex instead of trying to hump each other over the Gore Invented Medium? Maybe country should draft him to lead us as a president for inventing sex substitute called Internet?
BTW Malibu did caught up with Accord and perhaps Altima of previous generation, which is good enough for its customers. The rest of society will invest in “foreign” prosperity. BTW, you will not find Indian (non-native American) driving new Malibu: it’s Camry or Accord.

The dashboard looks VERY similar to the CTS, not very creative…

I don’t think the debate and back-and-forth between this and the Camry is warranted. In the automotive grand scheme of things, they are both boring ****boxes and should be snuffed out. This MAlibu is a total fecesmobile, although I’m sure it serves it’s purpose if you’re on a budget and need a family car. Who care anyways, in 5 years it’ll be redesigned.

deantj: like it or not, this is the class that’ll move the most units. Everybody WANTS a GT-R or a Mustang or a Ferrari, or a 7-series, but reality forces many of us into these commuter coffins

I see what ///m means about this dash looking VERY similar to the CTS. Both have the steering wheel on the left, gauges visible thru the upper part of the steering wheel, a center stack that includes the controls for radio and climate, a shifter on the console, and a glovebox to the right.

It’s OBSCENE how uniquely uncreative the GM designers are. Yeahhhh!

Hmm…. I haven’t test driven one but from the photos and specs I’d say you get what you paid for for that $28K. Last time I checked a fully loaded Accord 3.5 is at $31.75K. Though a discounted brand new Acura TSX has superior looking interior with a lot less hp, people will probably still prefer an Acura due to its perceived luxury status. They fall under the boring exterior category though.

BTW, a fully loaded Mustang with AT and NAV is only $28.7K after discounts…

Lambo you are a fekkin retard.
Anyone who declares his/her supreme wisdom is a fekkin retard.
Now go jump in a fekkin lake, you fekkin moron.

Lambo, sorry man, but reading a bunch of articles and reviews don’t add up to actually owning those vehicles which is my advantage over even pro reviewers. Everything from lumbar support, the smell of the new car, and the quality of the lock of the headrest can change your perception about a particular brand or model. I’ll say it again that I’ll take an Audi over a Merc or Bimmer, but those who only look at the interior photos and say they have the best interior clearly never owned one to know they break down faster than the plastic in a Honda Fit! Also do you know that Lambos handle very poorly on the track compared to Ferraris? My neighbor last year traded his 1 year old Murci for an apartment building but he kept his F430.

Tree, excellent find. LP460 your comments are stupid. How old are you? Seriously. Anyway I think this car looks great except for the rear lights. They seem very run-of-the-mill. I could of swore someone else attempted this before. I think it was another GM product. Or maybe the Mitsubishi Diamante? Anyway this is the best Malibu yet. All the others were a joke. GM’s getting good at their cars, especially interiors. Kudos. The new CTS and Corvette’s leather interior option are showing GM’s future direction in interior design.

Lambo have you finished highschool yet? Your grammar use sure doesn’t show it…

O and since Lambo has drivin every car in the world can you tell me whats a better bang for your buck a 1969 Chevelle, 1970 Nova, 1972 Camaro Z28, 1957 beilair, 1970 Roadrunner, 1966 Malibu, or a 1971 dart demon. I Finaly got enoughf money to buy a nother project car to build then to add it to my collection. but i can’t decide over these cars i have for options. can you tell me whats the best since you must of drivin every single one of these cars. Everyone else can give an opinon to if they wish and whatever was talked about the most thats the car i will buy to add to my muscle car collection.

Veda, I agree. I own an B6S4 and though I still love Audis and their interiors, my **** is all peeling off and fading. I would also take it over a Bimmer or Merc but your point is right on the money. Pics and third party reviews don’t mean **** until you sit in a car and use it for a while.

Deanster learn some fekkin manners.

While I do think that this interior is way better designed than that of the Accord and the Camry, the materials pale in comparison to those two vehicles. Just look at that horrendous hard-grained plastic console surrounding the equally plasticky rear cup holder.

Yeah MHW, do just like 1115! Get some fact and then claim a false victory!
.
Fekk yeah!

Veda: I think if you’re buying ferraris and Lambos, rationality won’t sway you much. I’m sure for the money an Altima Coupe would be more sensible than a ferrari, but that’s a mistake I’d enjoy making.

Classic: another emotional Idea for me, i’d love a ‘70 Chevelle SS 454

1115: The malibu cannot be proven superior or inferior.

Its inferior due to the Last model and GM s rep for low reliability cars and low resale value This car will have to stand the test of time and then it can be proven to be equal or inferior

Actually 1115, I like my milk cold since you are offering! Here is a fact since you want one. Your complete and total bias makes everything you say lose credibility. I will give you some credit for your last statement however, and I quote “This car will have to stand the test of time and then it can be proven to be equal or inferior.” Why don’t you take your own advise? You have already deemed this car an inferior POS in previous posts! The same goes for any car including your precious new Accord, until the new model stands the test of time you can’t call it superior. Just ask Consumer Reports were assuming Toyota was superior got them!

1115:

I try to get approval? I drive a BMW (well, a CTS now) because I am extremely patriotic? Where do you get your things?????

And I also love how you completely ignored my last comment (probably because I killed all your worthless, biased arguments and opinions).

Autonut: It’s great, isn’t it?

Yeah, it’s fekkin great, man.

“If you live in America you should buy America” is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. I work hard for my money, and I’ll buy the best car. American or not. Plain and simple. That’s why I bought my Lexus. I really don’t care if someone loses his job at the GM Oshawa plant over my decision. Thats his problem. If GM’s CARS (I never said anything about trucks) are so much betterand cheaper than imports, why was the Camry COTY? Why do we see so many Camrys and Accords compared to Aura’s? Because people are choosing th better car. Plain and simple.

This malibu has rental, fleet car, and company vehicle written all over it.

RHead were you being sarcastic or something? Its hard to tell lol, it was just an observation

Commo
The only thing worthless is your CTS (you promised)
What was your last bs comment. Keep trying to call my arguments biased Im bias for the better product
The Accord and Camry are superior based on the past models the resale and reliability.
Nice try MHW, unlike the malibu the CTS and the Aura the Accord Camry have track records and come from companies that build reliable vehicles

Yes Jackjim My favorite Car i have in my collection is a 1970 chevelle SS LS6 454 clone that I built. I bought it for about $5000 and put $10,000 into it. It looks sweet. That one was my seconded car i added to my muscle car collection. Here is my list of muscle cars from the first one to the most resent one. O and there all in mint shape and I was the person who built them.

1969 Yenko Camaro Clone
1970 Chevelle SS LS6 454 clone
1981 Camaro Z28
1989 Camaro Iroc-Z
1962 Corvette Hardtop

The list of cars from my pervious comment are muscle cars that are for sale in my area and are all in project shape. I only buy old cars that are in bad shape so i can have fun building them and show off my work. Also to give an old car another chance. and i show my 16 year old kid how to build cars. This cars really suppose to be for him.

O last part is suppose to be, This next project car is suppose to be his when were done but he dosen’t now that.

bun-a-gm….is that another of your new accounts 1115. just kidding (maybe not)
And you are completely right in what you said about buying the best car bun-a-gm. I cannot agree with that more…that is why I drove a BMW before; because when I was in the market for it, all of the Big 3’s cars pretty much sucked. Where we differ is on the fact that Toyonda somehow build “better cars”. I don’t think so, and I think I have let everyone know that. Some of their cars are good, but I am completely against this brand loyalty and bashing GM thing. It’s stupid. If you want the best compact – buy a Civic. If you want the best 7 seat luxury CUV – buy an Enclave. Go on a case by case basis.

1115…I thought you liked the CTS. I am pretty sure I remember you saying something along the lines of “yea, well the CTS is the only good thing on out GM”. And sure, the Camry HAD a good track record, but with the recent reliability problems that have come to light, I don’t think you can use the Camry’s supposed “track record” to make any point, because quite frankly the Camry no longer has a track record…well, not in a good sense at least. Same for the Tundra…..same for the FJ……same for the ES……and so on and so forth.

Lastly, so what if I think you are biased? YOU ARE. That doesn’t mean that you can’t defend your biased opinions (with facts please). I’d love to see you address what I said in my [second to] last post

Its worthless compared to a Japanese counterpart Track records dont get created nor destroyed that easily
If you want a 7 passenger CUV buy a Pilot or MDX If not go for a mazda CX-9 or a Veracruz

Track records don’t get created nor destroyed that easily……??????? that’s your excuse? So yeah, Toyota reliability sucks but we have to wait until 2022 until we can say for sure that they are unreliable. Is that it? We should all buy crappy cars for now, because Toy’s good reputation from the past still stands and will continue to stand for at least 15 years? You are SO full of xxxx

“Lastly, so what if I think you are biased? YOU ARE. That doesn’t mean that you can’t defend your biased opinions (with facts please). I’d love to see you address what I said in my [second to] last post”"

There will be glare galore with that color to the dash. Overall looks better executed than most GM products. I would have expected LLN to at least put a sentence on how they feel this compares to its sibling… Aura.

You might as well give up Commodore, afterall we are just “trying to get approval”. Ya, I didn’t understand where he was going with that one either. LOL! You cannot reason with 1115 because he refuses to be objective. He could care less that my insurance mans Malibu went well over 300,000 before trading it in on another Malibu. Why another Malibu? Because he said it had been the best car he had ever owned.(and yes, he has owned import) You see, none of that matters because 1115 read somewhere that they suck, and that no import owner would ever trade for a domestic. It also doesn’t matter that I drove my last GM 100,000 trouble free miles before selling it to a friend who’s enjoying it just as much as I did.(and yes, he has also owned import) It also doesn’t matter that my 08 GM has been flawless either. I could go on and on but in the case of 1115 it just falls on deaf ears. Boy am I glad I haven’t takin out stock in all the mags he’s reading because I have enjoyed the hell out of everyone of my GM’s!

“I think if you’re buying ferraris and Lambos, rationality won’t sway you much.”

On the contrary, at least in my case, those two brands are horrible investments and I’d like my assets to grow not shrink. I’d be happier to drive an Altima coupe than a Ferrari thinking about how much more I’m making in the long run, even though I can easily buy a Bugatti full cash. Of course, there are exceptions such as buying new classics like the Enzo but the timing has to be just right and you gotta have the connections. It’s just not my type of investing though…

1115: While I admire your heroic efforts to uphold the japanese brands in the grandest scale of perfection, you gotta give credits when it’s due specifically when their competitor actually produces something worth owning like the new CTS. Didn’t edmunds just do a sedan comparison and placed it in the third place? It even beats the new C Class and IS. Let’s sink in the fact that regardless of track records, each brand produces crap and gold. Toyota for example makes tincan deathtrap minivans that sells for less than $15K in Asia and Africa, and that’s considered their gold model. A few years ago they replaced that popular model with an even worse model that’s faulty mechanically and design-wise while charging 3K more. The only reason that saved their sales is the fact that the competitors don’t have a readily available model that can steal the market, up until Nissan released the cheapo Livina.

The G35 won that so your argument is dead. Im not holding anything up. If america made the best products for the last 20 years I would be praising them domestics
Case by case is no good. Toyota produces more reliable cars than GM and one year of recalls wont change 20 years and counting of cars that suck from GM. If that were true the Malibu’s that lasted to 300k(yea right) would be worth more than the ones that clunked out and the resale value would be good on some and not all. I know you are lying to make an argument but if you were telling the truth then the Malibu would be reliable but they are not. Maybe the will be in 2017 but now they are just GM crap. Rental fleets and broken down on the side of the road
Where do I get my “things”? It doesn’t matter where I get my things from. Most things are made in a foreign country anyway patriot

1115: “Case by case is no good” Brother, you’ve lost it. No matter what the evidence, no matter what happens you will not change your mind. That is not an example of an objective person. When did you become so close minded? Were you always this way? I actually feel sorry for you…

Don’t hate your brothers, leave that vice to the Democrats.

1115:

1) G35 won because it’s a lot cheaper but not a better car if price isn’t factored in.

2) As someone who gave away his US citizenship I’m hardly a patriot. However, my point as you have done so often by missing others’ points as well, is that YOU have to give credits when it’s due.

3) I agree with you that the recent recalls don’t change Toyota’s clean slate history, but will you really buy a vehicle with a known factory defect just due to the manufacturer’s reputation? That’s called blind patriotism to me…

4) If you’ve been around the world tasting and shopping the finer things in life you will know better than to shop in one location. The same Vuitton bag for example is 40% cheaper in France than in Japan. Authentic cerruti wallets in foreign countries other than Italy are made in China. But we’re talking about cars and it’s even more extreme when it comes to same product variations depending on where it’s assembled. But you don’t know that fact, so you’re nothing more than an ignorant kid.

How old you you anyway eh?

tripleonefive, if your saying that most things are made buy foreign countrys, and refering to cars…..your wrong. Most foreigns companys are making their cars domesticly. In strong point to the week dollar. So even the foreign cars, are made domesticly, buy domestic people. So the only thing even foreign about the car is its design, but in some cases like the new tundra even that was designed by domestic people. So only the money to make it comes from foreigns.

Hey Anyclearer, 1115 has that figured out too. 1115 thinks that American workers employed at domestic auto factories are deliberately sabotaging the quality of the vehicles they produce to ruin the reputations of their employers and thereby boost the reputations of domestic producers. You know …. all those “redneck hicks” manufacturing Tundras in San Antonio and all that bull.

1115 is nothing but a brainless stereotyping parrot whose actually convinced himself that Polly really does want a cracker because he read it somewhere that Polly keeps saying it over and over.

triple5,

Nothing you say ever makes sense. I do wonder about anyone who spends their days and nights posting anti GM propoganda on the internet. Get a life dude. If you dont like the fact that GM products are getting better I suggest you stay away from reviews that illustrate the improvements. If you hate American cars just dont buy them. There is no reason to make up reasons why others should feel the same way. Talking to you is like to talking to a racist- there is no reasoning to be had at all. You just hate for no reason at all.

Forget about all this buy American because its made in America crap. Buy American if they make a better car. They have done that and I would buy one.

Anyone comparing Aura sales to Camry or Accord sales is a total idiot. Saturn has about 400 dealerships and plant capacity for the Aura is probably 30% of Camry or Accord at best. Of course the car is being outsold by those two cars. The Cobalt outsells the Honda Fit but I doubt anyone here would say that makes it a better car.

MHW, add to that list a 2003 GMC Envoy with 60,000+ trouble-free miles and a 2007 G6 GTP with 18,000 miles that went in for a minor radio issue and that was it.

I had to change the oil on my Ford! Gawddammed Ford can’t do anything right!

sj79 is 100% correct. Couldn’t have said it better myself

bun: You’ve been had.
Nobody buys american because it’s american. Nobody has to,thanks to the imports,which have forced the Big Three toimprove their quality tremendously.
Best car is the 7-series.

bun: k-cars and Civic were also COTY.Do’t ever bring that up again

2007 Toyota Camry
2006 Honda Civic
2005 Chrysler 300C
2004 Toyota Prius
2003 Infiniti G35
2002 Ford Thunderbird
2001 Chrysler PT Cruiser
2000 Lincoln LS
1999 Chrysler 300M
1998 Chevrolet Corvette
1997 Chevrolet Malibu
1996 Dodge Caravan
1995 Chrysler Cirrus
1994 Ford Mustang
1993 Ford Probe GT
1992 Cadillac Seville Touring Sedan
1991 Chevrolet Caprice Classic LTZ
1990 Lincoln Town Car
1989 Ford Thunderbird SC
1988 Pontiac Grand Prix
1987 Ford Thunderbird Turbo Coupe
1986 Ford Taurus LX
1985 Volkswagen GTI 1984 Chevrolet Corvette
1983 AMC / Renault Alliance
1982 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
1981 Chrysler K Cars, Dodge Aries / Plymouth Reliant
1980 Chevrolet Citation
1979 Buick Riviera S
1978 Chrysler, Dodge Omni / Plymouth Horizon
1977 Chevrolet Caprice
1976 Chrysler, Dodge Aspen / Plymouth Volare
1975 Chevrolet Monza 2+2
1974 Ford Mustang II
1973 Chevrolet Monte Carlo
1972 Citroën SM (1971 Chevrolet Vega
1970 Ford Torino
1969 Plymouth Road Runner
1968 Pontiac GTO
1967 Mercury Cougar
1966 Oldsmobile Toronado

Import Car of the Year

1999 Volkswagen New Beetle
1998 Lexus GS
1997 BMW 5-Series
1996 Mercedes-Benz E-Class
1995 Nissan Maxima
1994 Honda Accord
1993 Mazda RX-7
1992 Lexus SC 400
1991 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4
1990 Nissan 300ZX Turbo

1115:

“Keep trying to call my arguments biased Im bias for the better product.”
That sentence speaks for itself. You might as wellhave typed “please ignore these six words.”

I tested the Cx-9,and liked the enclave more. Someone said the Q7 is the best in class,and while I disagree,I’ll admit it’s a reasonable coonclusion to come to.

“the Accord Camry have track records and come from companies that build reliable vehicles.”

Too bad they aren’t sold here.

Commodore: I agree with you, except for the Civic thing. I’ve owned one, I assume you haven’t
1989 Mitsubishi Galant GS
1988 Honda CRX Si
1987 Acura Legend Coupe
1986 Mazda RX-7
1985 Toyota MR2
1984 Honda Civic CRX
1983 Mazda 626
1982 Toyota Celica Supra
1981 Mercedes-Benz 300SD
1980 Honda Civic
1979 Datsun 280ZX
1978 Toyota Celica
1977 Mercedes-Benz 280E
1976 Toyota Celica Liftback
1970 Porsche 914

MHW: “My insurance man’s Malibu went well over 300,000 before trading it in on another Malibu. Why another Malibu? Because he said it had

been the best car he had ever owned.(and yes, he has owned import) You see, none of that matters because 1115 read somewhere that they

suck, and that no import owner would ever trade for a domestic. It also doesn’t matter that I drove my last GM 100,000 trouble free miles before

selling it to a friend who’s enjoying it just as much as I did.(and yes, he has also owned import) It also doesn’t matter that my 08 GM has been

flawless either.”

MHW: you shouldalways, ALWAYS value tripleonefluffer’s words over your own experience. That’s howI know my ”99 Olds is a POS at 126K, even

though I’ve only had routine maintenance and I haven’t coddled it. He won’t even say the CTS is better than the Yaris!

Veda: yeah, but most peopleare passionate about getting that dream car, regardless of how little sense it makes. I drove five minivans last month

and had the Sienna second untilit got recalled. True, you’re mentioning an asian/african model, but there’s still some Toyota models that at first

blush, give the impression of a quality rig.

” If that were true the Malibu’s that lasted to 300k(yea right) would be worth more than the ones that clunked out and the resale

value would be good on some and not all. I know you are lying to make an argument but if you were telling the truth then the Malibu would be

reliable but they are not. Maybe the will be in 2017 but now they are just GM crap. Rental fleets and broken down on the side of the road
Where do I get my “things”? It doesn’t matter where I get my things from. Most things are made in a foreign country anyway patriot”

Pure comedy, and evidence of dumbassitude

Comment by tripleonefive, posted on November12 at 7:23 am

sj79: “The Cobalt outsells the Honda Fit but I doubt anyone here would say that makes it a better car.”
I would actually say the Fit is better.or at least I like it more.
But I think the fluffer has a reason — irrational though it may be — for hating domestics, and GMin particular. The football-team captain stole away the girl(?) of his jackoff fantasies, and drove off in a ‘69 Camaro.

My space bar is busted

Veracruz is too small, and the Pilot is a joke, although I like the way the H-pilot looks.

Anyone comparing Aura sales to Camry or Accord sales is a total idiot. Saturn has about 400 dealerships and plant capacity for the Aura is probably 30% of Camry or Accord at best.
-EXCUSE ITS NOT A BETTER CAR THAN THE CAMRY OR ACCORD PEOPLE ARE NOT KNCOKING DOWN THE SATURN DEALERSHIP TO GET ONE ITS BEING OUTSOLD BC ITS INFERIOR !

The Cobalt outsells the Honda Fit but I doubt anyone here would say that makes it a better car.-NICE TRY THE COBALT COMPETES WITH THE HONDA CIVIC NOT THE FIT. THE FIT IS COMPETITION FOR THE AVEA YOU ARE WORSE THAN COMMO

The G35 won bc its the better car and GM is unreliable and has to prove themselves. I don’t have a LV bag nor do I care about some fancy boy who does

Pedro head you are not even worth it I don’t post anti GM I post pro better more reliable product with higher resale and sales When comparing Gm to the Japanese product GM always loses ha ha Ganging up on me wont change that

Honda and Toyota are doing Americans a favor by having plants here. They also made GM give a warranty with their POS so the small % of people that do buy american can have their car covered under warranty when it breaks down on the side of the road. Of course it wont be to the level of the Japanese but time will tell 2017 bitches

Dont feel sorry for me DUDE I drive a superior Japanese vehicle thats luxurious and trouble free. in 09 Ill buy another Japanese car maybe a Korean but more than likely a Japanese car

I actually like the Pontiac G6 I would rent one never buy it. Its a 2007 so its not going to mess up just yet but wait and see in 2017. When GM cars stand the test of time trouble free then I may be convinced. Until then you know the saying

JJT You are busted. Steal a computer from the school you sweep up at

1. You say the Aura is inferior, even though Car and Driver said that it was BETTER than the Camry. Also, the Aura won COTY so I think that goes a long way to say that the Aura is NOT inferior. What evidence do you have, besides your own person bias which isn’t evidence, to say that the Aura is inferior? If you want to be fair, you can at least say that it is good competition to the Camry since we will never agree on what the better car is.

2. Wow, for once you won an “argument”. The Fit is in fact Aveo competition – the Cobalt is competition to the Civic so those cars (the Cobalt and Fit) are not comparable.

3. “GM is unreliable and has to prove themselves” lol, how do you expect them to prove themselves to you when you have already written them off as unreliable???

4. G35 won over CTS because it is CHEAPER. The CTS should not have been compared there because it is a BMW 5 SERIES COMPETITOR as GM says and also the dimentions of the car are closer to the 5er, not the 3er.

5. How did Toyonda ‘MAKE’ GM give a warranty on their cars? Did they do the same with Hyundai or is there a double standard here?

6. Clearly we have different tastes. I hate the G6, the sedan at least. The coupe is kind of good I suppose. But the G8….now that’s what I’m talking about

Mmmmmm… G8…. I can’t wait for the G8….

BTW, Toyota didn’t ‘make’ GM offer that warranty. You might be able to make that argument if Toyota also offered it. It doesn’t, and they’ve had lots of time to up their ante. 1115 would say you don’t need a warranty with Toyonda (in fact, he has said just that) but the fact of the matter is GMs warranty is BETTER than any manufacturer out there (with possible exception in certain circumstances with Chrysler and Hyundai). That’s putting your quality reputation where your wallet is. You have to give GM props for that!

It is a better car, but then again, so is the Sonata, so if the Fusion.

The Civic is competition for the corrola, which toyota has basically forfeited.

1115, Commodore, raiv: It’s a better car, why not give it a better warranty?

This interior is perfect for a clown. It’s ridiculous and it would get old real quick. The monotone interior looks a lot better to me…which isn’t saying much, because I don’t like that one, either.

triple,

let me try and break this down for you. Your limited intellecutal capacity makes it difficult to explain things in a manner that you can comprehend. The F150 outsells the Tundra but its not a better truck. Got that? The Tundra doesnt have the brand recogniition or plant capacity to outsell the F150 (or Dodge Ram) even though its likely superior. The Aura has been deemed superior to camry by numerour sources and although it hasnt been compared to new Accord directly it can likely hold its own. The Aura is doing well considering its a brand new nameplate from a brand that isnt known for midsize cars. Meanwhile Toyota needs thousands in rebates to move a truck that many consider to be best in class and its not even a new nameplate. I merely compared Fit and Cobalt to illustrate that every model that you would likely praise isnt a best seller. The Fit barely moves 5k units a month which about the same as Aveo and worse than Versa.

You are an anti GM stooge who cannot provide any proof that GM vehicles are as bad as you say. People like you are full of excuses whenever reality doenst line up with your twisted views. GM used to be behind the leaders iin fit and finish, quietness, powertrains, interior design, etc. Now that they have stepped up on all fronts we have idiots like you who refuse to believe the positive reviews. Let me ask you this: Why would we not believe GM is improved if the SAME auto critics (who people like you now accuse of being on the take) who bashed them are now saying the issues GM had are being corrected and the product is competitive? The people who were the most critical of GM in the past would not tell you the products were better if they weren’t convinced.

And if you bring up CR to prove your insiduous “GM quality sucks” claims I will tell you that the average problem rate for today’s vehicles (by CR’s own admission) is somewhere between 4% and 5%. CR even tells you that the vehicles they disparage with black circles aren’t necessarily unreliable- it just means they are less reliable than average but average is very good. If you look at the trends in problem rates at CR you will see that domestic or European models with less than average ratings now would likely be considered above average as recently as 5 years back. In other words the quality bar is so high across the industry that today’s “average” GM vehicles that you consider crap are more reliable than “reliable” Asian vehicles of 5 years ago.

Get a clue. Just buy Hondas and Toyotas and leave everyone else alone. I find that there is a direct relationship between how often one makes absurd criticisms of GM and how little they know about the auto industry. The more you type the less knowledgable you appear.

ray cinclair,

if you dont like it get the battleship gray craptastic interior offered on Cmary. Just don’t break a finger when knocking on the rock hard dashboard. The Malibu offers several interior color schemes so there are options. YOu dont have to get the LTZ interior.

They stole my G6’s rims. They are now on the Malibu, HHR and G6. Goos way to save costs I guess.

“Honda and Toyota are doing Americans a favor by having plants here. They also made GM give a warranty with their POS so the small % of people that do buy american can have their car covered under warranty when it breaks down on the side of the road.”

More stupidity. Why do the Big 3 offer free roadside assistance during the warranty period if their vehicles do nothing but breakdown? since Toyotas and Hondas dont have problems ever why dont they offer similar protection? why does Chryser and not ToyoHonda offer an unlimited powertrain warranty if American quality is as bad as you say? Why is Toyota’s powertrain warranty 5 years/60k instead of say 8 years/120k since Toyotas never break? Think about it, adding such protection wouldnt cost Toyota a dime but it would be great for advertising. I dont want to hear excuses like “they dont need a warranty because they dont break” because that it totally counterintuitive. If you have great products you flaunt it by having a best in industry warranty, period. And you offer roadside assistance and free loaner cars. Hyundai gets it but ToyoHonda have refused to step up and put their money where you mouth is and prove their vehicles are completely problem free.

The fact that you said only a small % of people buy american vehicles further shows your ignorance. The Big 3 have about 50% of the market and the Big 7(three European and four Asian) have the other 50%. When you look at share by comparing the number of domestic vs foreign manufacturers and the number of models I would say the Big 3 are doing a respectable job considering the challenges they face.

sj, good comments, but I have to disagree on your assesment of the Tundra being the best in class. Numerous sources say it isn’t, including CR. Top of the heap this year is the Chevy/GMC, and Ford will offer a new truck next year which will probably push the Toy further down the pile.

The Tundra isn’t a bad 1st attempt, but it isn’t the top dog by any stretch. It is also butt ugly, IMHO…

Raiv: this is the second go-round for the Tundra. Camshaft issues aside, it feels better than the current F-150

If we are keeping score this is Toyota’s third attempt at a full-size truck. Remember the good old T-100, it is the first time that they’ve actually had true full-size dimensions however. I do agree that the Silverado is the truck to beat at the moment. sj79, I couldn’t have said it any better. The actual difference in reliability is very slim. Some domestic models even have better reliability than the imports.

MHW: I thought about bringing up the T-100, but decided not to. Almost as pointless as the ridgeline

jjm; I haven’t actually drive the Tundra, but I have driven all other FS pickups. Here is my list, best to worst: Chevy/GMC, Ford, Dodge, Nissan. Where the Tundra fits in is up for interpretation, but CR (Toyota Afficianado Monthly) says the Tundra’s ride was twitchy, and the box feels like it isn’t connected to the rest of the truck.

Usually, the last truck to come out is the best one, but the Tundra isn’t living up to that claim. And that was BEFORE the camshaft/torque converter issues. Personally, it pisses me off to see anyone driving a Tundra in my area as there is no local Toyota dealer. So people have to drive out of my area to buy an inferior product, and idiots like 1115 defend that reasoning – but that’s a rant for another day!

It’s a better car, why not give it a better warranty?
JAPANESE DONT HAVE TO OFFER WARRANTYS IF THEIR CARS ARENT BREAKING DOWN GM CHRYLSER AND FORD ARE FORCED TO OFFER ONE DUE TO THEIR HISTORY AND KNOWLEDGE BY THE AMERICAN CONSUMER YOU F–KING IDIOTS !
HONDA AND TOYATA ARE PROVEN RELIABLE SAFE AND HAVE HIGH RESALES AND HIGH DEMAND TO PROVE IT
NO VEHICLE IS COMPLETELY PROBLEM FREE BUT AMERICANS ARE MORE PRONE TO PROBLEMS DUE TO SHADY BUILD QUALITY AND THATS WHY THE AMERICAN CAR COMPANIES ARE IN THE JAM THEY ARE IN TODAY

MHW: I thought about bringing up the T-100, but decided not to. Almost as pointless as the ridgeline. Agreed!lol
1115, if the domestics were even 1/4 as bad as you make them out to be they would have been out of business decades ago. Just as sj79 said, the actual difference in reliability is very very slim, and in several cases favors the domestics. (not that you bothered to read or comprehend it.)

1115: “Blah blah blah…” Same old tedious argument. Once again you’ve proven you’re an idiot. Later…

jackjim: What’s ironic about you saying “almost as pointless as the Ridgeline” is that the Ridgeline, for most people who buy them, and actually for anybody who would own one, actually has MORE purpose and point to it than most of the full size trucks you see tiny dicked losers in, puttering around town looking like fools. But of course, you’re as close minded as ever. Pathetic.

Blah blah blah you cant counter it so you try and write it off

I hope “Consumer Reports” magazine will be up to its “as usual” dirty tricks and crap all over the new 2008 Chevy Malibu. Okay, it’s a selfish reason for me. I always check the car reviews in “Consumer Reports” at the local library (I don’t buy the magazine). and I tend to buy the GM car that has poor or mediocre quality ratings (usually based on totally ridiculous reader feedback). Every car I buy using this approach gets me a nicely discounted price from the dealer and the cars are always reliable as hell. Since ALL cars manufactured today are pretty much the same as far as quality is concerned, I tend to look for the best price. Since I always “max out” my GM credit car before the purchase that means I get another $2,000 off my “best deal” price. Okay, maybe the “styling” and other minor “glitches” (cup holder in wrong place,”cheap” plastic trim, etc.)are not spot on, but so what…as long as the car was a bargain and runs well. I’ve saved considerable cash over the years, thanks to “Consumer Reports”.

Frank:I bought recommended CR cars and came up with absolute Pizzas twice.I think your approach is better

Well I did something different and actually went and looked at and drove 3 of the 2008 Malibu’s. Now from what I have seen here this is unexpected since apparently the behavior de jur is to shoot one’s mouth of with little or no information followed by a few curse words to prove one’s maturity. Apparently we need a few hall monitors on the blogs here so that the kiddies can be shown the nearest door. I have an interest in the automotive scene and I surely like reading others impressions of the vehicles driving impression and opinions on how they stack up. Now as for you that like to blast anyone with your uniformed opinions please put your name at the front of the articles so that anyone that doesn’t care to read a word of what you say can swiftly bypass it to something worth reading.

1. All 3 trim levels in the 2008 were very nicely done though I will never warm up to plastic hub caps (and I don’t care whose plastic hub caps they are either).

2. The materials used were very nice. The cloth seating weave was very well done, very tight and seemingly well above some of the fuzzy stuff I have seen in some of the Camcords. The dash was soft well textured and really showed some attention to detail. The interior door handles were lit in a soft blue light and it was a nice touch, this on the LS btw. The gauges were very nicely lit in blue as well. I found them very readable. The back seat head room is a bit tight.

3. I found the body panels were showing exact gapping throughout and no obvious flaws. The paint job was well done in fact excellent.

4. The engine is as muted as was reported in LLN in fact lack of noise was perhaps the most suprising thing about this car. The noise suppression was something on the level I would expect from one of the full lux brands.

5. Again I will echo what others have found, the steering was more precise than the Camry less than the Accord body lean was very well controlled.

All in all the entry of the Malibu just made the mid car segment a bit more competitive. If the reliability of the Malibu holds up to the competition then Chevrolet may just very well have a very hot hit on its hands.

Tirronan, what we need are more opinions, not facts!!! ;^)

Let’s not put too much stock in what the automotive press says. Remember back in 1980 when the Chevy Citation was named Car & Driver “Car of the Year”???