1. All 3 trim levels in the 2008 were very nicely done though I will never warm up to plastic hub caps (and I don’t care whose plastic hub caps they are either).

2. The materials used were very nice. The cloth seating weave was very well done, very tight and seemingly well above some of the fuzzy stuff I have seen in some of the Camcords. The dash was soft well textured and really showed some attention to detail. The interior door handles were lit in a soft blue light and it was a nice touch, this on the LS btw. The gauges were very nicely lit in blue as well. I found them very readable. The back seat head room is a bit tight.

3. I found the body panels were showing exact gapping throughout and no obvious flaws. The paint job was well done in fact excellent.

4. The engine is as muted as was reported in LLN in fact lack of noise was perhaps the most suprising thing about this car. The noise suppression was something on the level I would expect from one of the full lux brands.

5. Again I will echo what others have found, the steering was more precise than the Camry less than the Accord body lean was very well controlled.

All in all the entry of the Malibu just made the mid car segment a bit more competitive. If the reliability of the Malibu holds up to the competition then Chevrolet may just very well have a very hot hit on its hands.

Usually, the last truck to come out is the best one, but the Tundra isn’t living up to that claim. And that was BEFORE the camshaft/torque converter issues. Personally, it pisses me off to see anyone driving a Tundra in my area as there is no local Toyota dealer. So people have to drive out of my area to buy an inferior product, and idiots like 1115 defend that reasoning – but that’s a rant for another day!

The Tundra isn’t a bad 1st attempt, but it isn’t the top dog by any stretch. It is also butt ugly, IMHO…

More stupidity. Why do the Big 3 offer free roadside assistance during the warranty period if their vehicles do nothing but breakdown? since Toyotas and Hondas dont have problems ever why dont they offer similar protection? why does Chryser and not ToyoHonda offer an unlimited powertrain warranty if American quality is as bad as you say? Why is Toyota’s powertrain warranty 5 years/60k instead of say 8 years/120k since Toyotas never break? Think about it, adding such protection wouldnt cost Toyota a dime but it would be great for advertising. I dont want to hear excuses like “they dont need a warranty because they dont break” because that it totally counterintuitive. If you have great products you flaunt it by having a best in industry warranty, period. And you offer roadside assistance and free loaner cars. Hyundai gets it but ToyoHonda have refused to step up and put their money where you mouth is and prove their vehicles are completely problem free.

The fact that you said only a small % of people buy american vehicles further shows your ignorance. The Big 3 have about 50% of the market and the Big 7(three European and four Asian) have the other 50%. When you look at share by comparing the number of domestic vs foreign manufacturers and the number of models I would say the Big 3 are doing a respectable job considering the challenges they face.

if you dont like it get the battleship gray craptastic interior offered on Cmary. Just don’t break a finger when knocking on the rock hard dashboard. The Malibu offers several interior color schemes so there are options. YOu dont have to get the LTZ interior.

let me try and break this down for you. Your limited intellecutal capacity makes it difficult to explain things in a manner that you can comprehend. The F150 outsells the Tundra but its not a better truck. Got that? The Tundra doesnt have the brand recogniition or plant capacity to outsell the F150 (or Dodge Ram) even though its likely superior. The Aura has been deemed superior to camry by numerour sources and although it hasnt been compared to new Accord directly it can likely hold its own. The Aura is doing well considering its a brand new nameplate from a brand that isnt known for midsize cars. Meanwhile Toyota needs thousands in rebates to move a truck that many consider to be best in class and its not even a new nameplate. I merely compared Fit and Cobalt to illustrate that every model that you would likely praise isnt a best seller. The Fit barely moves 5k units a month which about the same as Aveo and worse than Versa.

You are an anti GM stooge who cannot provide any proof that GM vehicles are as bad as you say. People like you are full of excuses whenever reality doenst line up with your twisted views. GM used to be behind the leaders iin fit and finish, quietness, powertrains, interior design, etc. Now that they have stepped up on all fronts we have idiots like you who refuse to believe the positive reviews. Let me ask you this: Why would we not believe GM is improved if the SAME auto critics (who people like you now accuse of being on the take) who bashed them are now saying the issues GM had are being corrected and the product is competitive? The people who were the most critical of GM in the past would not tell you the products were better if they weren’t convinced.

And if you bring up CR to prove your insiduous “GM quality sucks” claims I will tell you that the average problem rate for today’s vehicles (by CR’s own admission) is somewhere between 4% and 5%. CR even tells you that the vehicles they disparage with black circles aren’t necessarily unreliable- it just means they are less reliable than average but average is very good. If you look at the trends in problem rates at CR you will see that domestic or European models with less than average ratings now would likely be considered above average as recently as 5 years back. In other words the quality bar is so high across the industry that today’s “average” GM vehicles that you consider crap are more reliable than “reliable” Asian vehicles of 5 years ago.

Get a clue. Just buy Hondas and Toyotas and leave everyone else alone. I find that there is a direct relationship between how often one makes absurd criticisms of GM and how little they know about the auto industry. The more you type the less knowledgable you appear.

The Civic is competition for the corrola, which toyota has basically forfeited.

1115, Commodore, raiv: It’s a better car, why not give it a better warranty?

BTW, Toyota didn’t ‘make’ GM offer that warranty. You might be able to make that argument if Toyota also offered it. It doesn’t, and they’ve had lots of time to up their ante. 1115 would say you don’t need a warranty with Toyonda (in fact, he has said just that) but the fact of the matter is GMs warranty is BETTER than any manufacturer out there (with possible exception in certain circumstances with Chrysler and Hyundai). That’s putting your quality reputation where your wallet is. You have to give GM props for that!

2. Wow, for once you won an “argument”. The Fit is in fact Aveo competition – the Cobalt is competition to the Civic so those cars (the Cobalt and Fit) are not comparable.

3. “GM is unreliable and has to prove themselves” lol, how do you expect them to prove themselves to you when you have already written them off as unreliable???

4. G35 won over CTS because it is CHEAPER. The CTS should not have been compared there because it is a BMW 5 SERIES COMPETITOR as GM says and also the dimentions of the car are closer to the 5er, not the 3er.

5. How did Toyonda ‘MAKE’ GM give a warranty on their cars? Did they do the same with Hyundai or is there a double standard here?

6. Clearly we have different tastes. I hate the G6, the sedan at least. The coupe is kind of good I suppose. But the G8….now that’s what I’m talking about

Pedro head you are not even worth it I don’t post anti GM I post pro better more reliable product with higher resale and sales When comparing Gm to the Japanese product GM always loses ha ha Ganging up on me wont change that

Honda and Toyota are doing Americans a favor by having plants here. They also made GM give a warranty with their POS so the small % of people that do buy american can have their car covered under warranty when it breaks down on the side of the road. Of course it wont be to the level of the Japanese but time will tell 2017 bitches

Dont feel sorry for me DUDE I drive a superior Japanese vehicle thats luxurious and trouble free. in 09 Ill buy another Japanese car maybe a Korean but more than likely a Japanese car

I actually like the Pontiac G6 I would rent one never buy it. Its a 2007 so its not going to mess up just yet but wait and see in 2017. When GM cars stand the test of time trouble free then I may be convinced. Until then you know the saying

JJT You are busted. Steal a computer from the school you sweep up at

The Cobalt outsells the Honda Fit but I doubt anyone here would say that makes it a better car.-NICE TRY THE COBALT COMPETES WITH THE HONDA CIVIC NOT THE FIT. THE FIT IS COMPETITION FOR THE AVEA YOU ARE WORSE THAN COMMO

bun: k-cars and Civic were also COTY.Do’t ever bring that up again

2007 Toyota Camry
2006 Honda Civic
2005 Chrysler 300C
2004 Toyota Prius
2003 Infiniti G35
2002 Ford Thunderbird
2001 Chrysler PT Cruiser
2000 Lincoln LS
1999 Chrysler 300M
1998 Chevrolet Corvette
1997 Chevrolet Malibu
1996 Dodge Caravan
1995 Chrysler Cirrus
1994 Ford Mustang
1993 Ford Probe GT
1992 Cadillac Seville Touring Sedan
1991 Chevrolet Caprice Classic LTZ
1990 Lincoln Town Car
1989 Ford Thunderbird SC
1988 Pontiac Grand Prix
1987 Ford Thunderbird Turbo Coupe
1986 Ford Taurus LX
1985 Volkswagen GTI 1984 Chevrolet Corvette
1983 AMC / Renault Alliance
1982 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
1981 Chrysler K Cars, Dodge Aries / Plymouth Reliant
1980 Chevrolet Citation
1979 Buick Riviera S
1978 Chrysler, Dodge Omni / Plymouth Horizon
1977 Chevrolet Caprice
1976 Chrysler, Dodge Aspen / Plymouth Volare
1975 Chevrolet Monza 2+2
1974 Ford Mustang II
1973 Chevrolet Monte Carlo
1972 Citroën SM (1971 Chevrolet Vega
1970 Ford Torino
1969 Plymouth Road Runner
1968 Pontiac GTO
1967 Mercury Cougar
1966 Oldsmobile Toronado

Import Car of the Year

1999 Volkswagen New Beetle
1998 Lexus GS
1997 BMW 5-Series
1996 Mercedes-Benz E-Class
1995 Nissan Maxima
1994 Honda Accord
1993 Mazda RX-7
1992 Lexus SC 400
1991 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4
1990 Nissan 300ZX Turbo

1115:

“Keep trying to call my arguments biased Im bias for the better product.”
That sentence speaks for itself. You might as wellhave typed “please ignore these six words.”

I tested the Cx-9,and liked the enclave more. Someone said the Q7 is the best in class,and while I disagree,I’ll admit it’s a reasonable coonclusion to come to.

“the Accord Camry have track records and come from companies that build reliable vehicles.”

Too bad they aren’t sold here.

Commodore: I agree with you, except for the Civic thing. I’ve owned one, I assume you haven’t
1989 Mitsubishi Galant GS
1988 Honda CRX Si
1987 Acura Legend Coupe
1986 Mazda RX-7
1985 Toyota MR2
1984 Honda Civic CRX
1983 Mazda 626
1982 Toyota Celica Supra
1981 Mercedes-Benz 300SD
1980 Honda Civic
1979 Datsun 280ZX
1978 Toyota Celica
1977 Mercedes-Benz 280E
1976 Toyota Celica Liftback
1970 Porsche 914

MHW: “My insurance man’s Malibu went well over 300,000 before trading it in on another Malibu. Why another Malibu? Because he said it had

been the best car he had ever owned.(and yes, he has owned import) You see, none of that matters because 1115 read somewhere that they

suck, and that no import owner would ever trade for a domestic. It also doesn’t matter that I drove my last GM 100,000 trouble free miles before

selling it to a friend who’s enjoying it just as much as I did.(and yes, he has also owned import) It also doesn’t matter that my 08 GM has been

flawless either.”

MHW: you shouldalways, ALWAYS value tripleonefluffer’s words over your own experience. That’s howI know my ”99 Olds is a POS at 126K, even

though I’ve only had routine maintenance and I haven’t coddled it. He won’t even say the CTS is better than the Yaris!

Veda: yeah, but most peopleare passionate about getting that dream car, regardless of how little sense it makes. I drove five minivans last month

and had the Sienna second untilit got recalled. True, you’re mentioning an asian/african model, but there’s still some Toyota models that at first

blush, give the impression of a quality rig.

” If that were true the Malibu’s that lasted to 300k(yea right) would be worth more than the ones that clunked out and the resale

value would be good on some and not all. I know you are lying to make an argument but if you were telling the truth then the Malibu would be

reliable but they are not. Maybe the will be in 2017 but now they are just GM crap. Rental fleets and broken down on the side of the road
Where do I get my “things”? It doesn’t matter where I get my things from. Most things are made in a foreign country anyway patriot”

Pure comedy, and evidence of dumbassitude

Comment by tripleonefive, posted on November12 at 7:23 am

sj79: “The Cobalt outsells the Honda Fit but I doubt anyone here would say that makes it a better car.”
I would actually say the Fit is better.or at least I like it more.
But I think the fluffer has a reason — irrational though it may be — for hating domestics, and GMin particular. The football-team captain stole away the girl(?) of his jackoff fantasies, and drove off in a ’69 Camaro.

Nothing you say ever makes sense. I do wonder about anyone who spends their days and nights posting anti GM propoganda on the internet. Get a life dude. If you dont like the fact that GM products are getting better I suggest you stay away from reviews that illustrate the improvements. If you hate American cars just dont buy them. There is no reason to make up reasons why others should feel the same way. Talking to you is like to talking to a racist- there is no reasoning to be had at all. You just hate for no reason at all.

Forget about all this buy American because its made in America crap. Buy American if they make a better car. They have done that and I would buy one.

Anyone comparing Aura sales to Camry or Accord sales is a total idiot. Saturn has about 400 dealerships and plant capacity for the Aura is probably 30% of Camry or Accord at best. Of course the car is being outsold by those two cars. The Cobalt outsells the Honda Fit but I doubt anyone here would say that makes it a better car.

1115 is nothing but a brainless stereotyping parrot whose actually convinced himself that Polly really does want a cracker because he read it somewhere that Polly keeps saying it over and over.

1) G35 won because it’s a lot cheaper but not a better car if price isn’t factored in.

2) As someone who gave away his US citizenship I’m hardly a patriot. However, my point as you have done so often by missing others’ points as well, is that YOU have to give credits when it’s due.

3) I agree with you that the recent recalls don’t change Toyota’s clean slate history, but will you really buy a vehicle with a known factory defect just due to the manufacturer’s reputation? That’s called blind patriotism to me…

4) If you’ve been around the world tasting and shopping the finer things in life you will know better than to shop in one location. The same Vuitton bag for example is 40% cheaper in France than in Japan. Authentic cerruti wallets in foreign countries other than Italy are made in China. But we’re talking about cars and it’s even more extreme when it comes to same product variations depending on where it’s assembled. But you don’t know that fact, so you’re nothing more than an ignorant kid.

How old you you anyway eh?

On the contrary, at least in my case, those two brands are horrible investments and I’d like my assets to grow not shrink. I’d be happier to drive an Altima coupe than a Ferrari thinking about how much more I’m making in the long run, even though I can easily buy a Bugatti full cash. Of course, there are exceptions such as buying new classics like the Enzo but the timing has to be just right and you gotta have the connections. It’s just not my type of investing though…

“Lastly, so what if I think you are biased? YOU ARE. That doesn’t mean that you can’t defend your biased opinions (with facts please). I’d love to see you address what I said in my [second to] last post”"

1115…I thought you liked the CTS. I am pretty sure I remember you saying something along the lines of “yea, well the CTS is the only good thing on out GM”. And sure, the Camry HAD a good track record, but with the recent reliability problems that have come to light, I don’t think you can use the Camry’s supposed “track record” to make any point, because quite frankly the Camry no longer has a track record…well, not in a good sense at least. Same for the Tundra…..same for the FJ……same for the ES……and so on and so forth.

Lastly, so what if I think you are biased? YOU ARE. That doesn’t mean that you can’t defend your biased opinions (with facts please). I’d love to see you address what I said in my [second to] last post