Comments on: Chevrolet Malibu sales far out pace expectations, Buick Enclave sales still strong http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html Car news, reviews, and specs for the auto-industry Sat, 11 Feb 2012 01:21:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: tripleonefive http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-347704 tripleonefive Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:40:16 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-347704 The Aura just came out give it time and it will fail just like all the other GMs Still go for the dropout loser huh That sounds right bc you are a janitor and you relate to drop outs The Aura just came out give it time and it will fail just like all the other GMs
Still go for the dropout loser huh That sounds right bc you are a janitor and you relate to drop outs

]]> By: Tirronan http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-346340 Tirronan Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:54:44 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-346340 Gads, my opinion for what it is worth. A nameplate isn't a certainty for quality. I worked at a Honda dealer for years watching the same bobtailed truck bringing loads of replacement transmissions 3 times a week. It was so bad that they had a battery powered lift just for them. I've owned 3 Toyotas and 2 of them were trashed at 65k miles, another lasted 200k. I'm still driving an Accord that hasn't had a single problem. I drove 3 GM products during the 90's and gasp, they were flawless in the maitenence area. It looks like Chevy has a hit on its hands and its about time. Regardless of what brand you like this is good for all of us. The Malibu will gain some conquest sales and every interior in the market is going to get upgraded because of it. This isn't a win/lose guys, we all get to win because GM (previous home of the worlds 2nd worst interiors, now belonging to Chrysler) has woken up. With a new powertrain its going to be awhile before we know but I suspect they will come out just fine, GM knows what it has to lose if it doesn't. Gads, my opinion for what it is worth. A nameplate isn’t a certainty for quality. I worked at a Honda dealer for years watching the same bobtailed truck bringing loads of replacement transmissions 3 times a week. It was so bad that they had a battery powered lift just for them. I’ve owned 3 Toyotas and 2 of them were trashed at 65k miles, another lasted 200k. I’m still driving an Accord that hasn’t had a single problem. I drove 3 GM products during the 90′s and gasp, they were flawless in the maitenence area. It looks like Chevy has a hit on its hands and its about time. Regardless of what brand you like this is good for all of us. The Malibu will gain some conquest sales and every interior in the market is going to get upgraded because of it. This isn’t a win/lose guys, we all get to win because GM (previous home of the worlds 2nd worst interiors, now belonging to Chrysler) has woken up. With a new powertrain its going to be awhile before we know but I suspect they will come out just fine, GM knows what it has to lose if it doesn’t.

]]> By: jackjimturkey http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343986 jackjimturkey Fri, 30 Nov 2007 20:10:58 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343986 Fluffer: Back to the "janitor" insults. Not working. The Aura has been consistently reliable for a year, hopefully that will never change. "Im (sic) not biased but I can say that the Malibu has proven to be a rental car POS." How so? Fluffer: depends on what he did at harvard Vs. what the other guy did and Public State Land-Grant University, doesn't it? Commodore: "look at what happened to the Camry (lots of problems) and the Aura (no problems). You didn't expect those cars to turn out that way did you?" Yeah, I did. Track records, ya know? Fluffer: Back to the “janitor” insults. Not working.

The Aura has been consistently reliable for a year, hopefully that will never change.

“Im (sic) not biased but I can say that the Malibu has proven to be a rental car POS.” How so?

Fluffer: depends on what he did at harvard Vs. what the other guy did and Public State Land-Grant University, doesn’t it?

Commodore: “look at what happened to the Camry (lots of problems) and the Aura (no problems). You didn’t expect those cars to turn out that way did you?”
Yeah, I did. Track records, ya know?

]]> By: Commodore http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343556 Commodore Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:31:36 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343556 You are blabbering away as nobody said anything again. Go back and re read my post. It says everything in there that I need to say. I have already said that the 08 Malibu and Accord are both completely new cars. They have a clean slate and are just starting to build a track record. If you choose to ignore the Malibu because the 2002 Malibu was recalled or whatever consider that the 2006 Accord was recalled as well. Any kind of track record that past generations of a model have do not provide FACTUAL evidence to say that the model is reliable. You can't know for sure, as I said, because look at what happened to the Camry (lots of problems) and the Aura (no problems). You didn't expect those cars to turn out that way did you? And yes, at one point GM was only concerned with making money. Fortunately, they are not being greedy right now and instead Toyoda is repeating GM's mistakes. You are blabbering away as nobody said anything again. Go back and re read my post. It says everything in there that I need to say. I have already said that the 08 Malibu and Accord are both completely new cars. They have a clean slate and are just starting to build a track record. If you choose to ignore the Malibu because the 2002 Malibu was recalled or whatever consider that the 2006 Accord was recalled as well. Any kind of track record that past generations of a model have do not provide FACTUAL evidence to say that the model is reliable. You can’t know for sure, as I said, because look at what happened to the Camry (lots of problems) and the Aura (no problems). You didn’t expect those cars to turn out that way did you?

And yes, at one point GM was only concerned with making money. Fortunately, they are not being greedy right now and instead Toyoda is repeating GM’s mistakes.

]]> By: injunraiv http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343554 injunraiv Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:25:18 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343554 1115:"At what point was the Accord flawed" Me: Citing many examples of known service issues to show that the Accord has flaws 1115: "Of course no vehicle is flawless but we all know the Accord is better than any comparable American crap" So here we have the heart of the argument. You make disingenious arguments with cherry picked data (for instance you seem to always cite resale values. But do you know where these values come from? Do you know what goes into them? I doubt it.) and when you are called on it you change the subject or try to reframe the statement. Face it, you've become drunk on the corporate Kool Aid, and you make no sense. And BTW, I didn't misspell OWNED, I typed, and meant, PWNED. Don't know what that means? Look it up. Now, I said I would not argue with a fool and I broke my own rule. I am not planning on replying to you any further, so don't take my silence as a victory. I will be watching the Toyota recall threads and giggling my ass off at fools like you. 1115:”At what point was the Accord flawed”

Me: Citing many examples of known service issues to show that the Accord has flaws

1115: “Of course no vehicle is flawless but we all know the Accord is better than any comparable American crap”

So here we have the heart of the argument. You make disingenious arguments with cherry picked data (for instance you seem to always cite resale values. But do you know where these values come from? Do you know what goes into them? I doubt it.) and when you are called on it you change the subject or try to reframe the statement.

Face it, you’ve become drunk on the corporate Kool Aid, and you make no sense.

And BTW, I didn’t misspell OWNED, I typed, and meant, PWNED. Don’t know what that means? Look it up.

Now, I said I would not argue with a fool and I broke my own rule. I am not planning on replying to you any further, so don’t take my silence as a victory. I will be watching the Toyota recall threads and giggling my ass off at fools like you.

]]> By: tripleonefive http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343525 tripleonefive Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:31:04 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343525 No you missed my point the Malibu represents the unproven loser and the Harvard grad represents the proven winner Which one do you choose? Stop bullshitting Im not biased but I can say that the Malibu has proven to be a rental car POS and the Accord was the best selling car at one point and has always been a top seller with a high resale and a solid performer that earned rep for reliability. I said You will never be in a position of power I think you have a mental block in your head or something (1) they are all obsessed with making tons of money and becoming #1 in sales and that sort of thing which makes them overlook quality-WHAT HAS GM BEEN DOING FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS AND COUNTING ? I think its time you realized that GM has not proven their cars reliable The Saturn Aura has been out for a year and this Malibu just dropped In 10 years with a solid track record good sales it may be worth considering but as of this moment its just another POS from GM and the smart consumer would and should buy the car that is proven just like the company would hire the Harvard grad No you missed my point the Malibu represents the unproven loser and the Harvard grad represents the proven winner
Which one do you choose? Stop bullshitting
Im not biased but I can say that the Malibu has proven to be a rental car POS and the Accord was the best selling car at one point and has always been a top seller with a high resale and a solid performer that earned rep for reliability.
I said You will never be in a position of power I think you have a mental block in your head or something
(1) they are all obsessed with making tons of money and becoming #1 in sales and that sort of thing which makes them overlook quality-WHAT HAS GM BEEN DOING FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS AND COUNTING ?
I think its time you realized that GM has not proven their cars reliable The Saturn Aura has been out for a year and this Malibu just dropped In 10 years with a solid track record good sales it may be worth considering but as of this moment its just another POS from GM and the smart consumer would and should buy the car that is proven just like the company would hire the Harvard grad

]]> By: Commodore http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343514 Commodore Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:21:15 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343514 You seem to have missed my point 1115 that the 92 Accord or 97 Accord or whatever other older generation Accord there is, is completely different than the newest one. Same with the Malibu, same with every other car. Of course I would NOT pick the high school drop out, but in the case of the brand new Malibu vs the brand new Accord, like I said, both of them are babies. They have not even gotten to high school. They have no "track record" because they have yet to build one. It is just like with the Aura - so far, the car has been perfect (as you can see from that site you kindly provided me with which lists ZERO recalls for the Aura). The Aura has been consistently reliable for a year, hopefully that will never change. The point with the Malibu and Accord is that they are both new cars. I am not biased, and I can honestly say that both the Malibu and Accord are great cars, amongst the leaders in their segments. Both have great interiors. Both have things I don't like about them (the Accord is too pudgy while the Malibu needs a new butt). As of right now, both cars are fair game, both are equal (even though Motor Trend put the 'Bu ahead of Accord). It is your choice, the point is that the Malibu is certainly not trash and deserves to be tried out. That is what a smart shopper would do - even if he ends up buying the Accord. An import humper will overlook the Malibu because he is in the mentality that American cars are demons or something and that they can't be trusted. Personally, I don't trust Japanese companies much anymore because (1) they are all obsessed with making tons of money and becoming #1 in sales and that sort of thing which makes them overlook quality and (2) just look at what is happening with Toyoda. "You will never be in a position of power with that sort of thinking. Its people like you that have kept GM down all these years. Stubborn ignorant American pride" - who? me in a position of power? cool! But c'mon - I think it is time to stop with the "you like America therefore I win the argument". Guess what? You don't. Oh, and cool fact about me....I wasn't born in the United States. You seem to have missed my point 1115 that the 92 Accord or 97 Accord or whatever other older generation Accord there is, is completely different than the newest one. Same with the Malibu, same with every other car. Of course I would NOT pick the high school drop out, but in the case of the brand new Malibu vs the brand new Accord, like I said, both of them are babies. They have not even gotten to high school. They have no “track record” because they have yet to build one. It is just like with the Aura – so far, the car has been perfect (as you can see from that site you kindly provided me with which lists ZERO recalls for the Aura). The Aura has been consistently reliable for a year, hopefully that will never change.

The point with the Malibu and Accord is that they are both new cars. I am not biased, and I can honestly say that both the Malibu and Accord are great cars, amongst the leaders in their segments. Both have great interiors. Both have things I don’t like about them (the Accord is too pudgy while the Malibu needs a new butt). As of right now, both cars are fair game, both are equal (even though Motor Trend put the ‘Bu ahead of Accord). It is your choice, the point is that the Malibu is certainly not trash and deserves to be tried out. That is what a smart shopper would do – even if he ends up buying the Accord. An import humper will overlook the Malibu because he is in the mentality that American cars are demons or something and that they can’t be trusted. Personally, I don’t trust Japanese companies much anymore because (1) they are all obsessed with making tons of money and becoming #1 in sales and that sort of thing which makes them overlook quality and (2) just look at what is happening with Toyoda.

“You will never be in a position of power with that sort of thinking. Its people like you that have kept GM down all these years. Stubborn ignorant American pride” – who? me in a position of power? cool!

But c’mon – I think it is time to stop with the “you like America therefore I win the argument”. Guess what? You don’t. Oh, and cool fact about me….I wasn’t born in the United States.

]]> By: tripleonefive http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343491 tripleonefive Thu, 29 Nov 2007 04:53:27 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343491 JJT posts are garbage just like the garbage he takes out at his job Concentrate Commo JJT posts are garbage just like the garbage he takes out at his job
Concentrate Commo

]]> By: tripleonefive http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343490 tripleonefive Thu, 29 Nov 2007 04:52:36 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343490 I understand that you would trust a drop out before you would trust a proven winner! You would take the chance on the loser and overlook the proven winner is what I understand you can twist it around any way you want but no one would take the chance on the Malibu You are truly a fool. I know you are an idiot but I didn’t know you were a complete idiot. The real world doesn’t work that way and for you to say that you would hire CM just to prove a point is ridiculous. You will never be in a position of power with that sort of thinking. Its people like you that have kept GM down all these years. Stubborn ignorant American pride The Accord -all of them have great track records or better than their American comp so you acting as if 92 was the only good one is silly. In addition you have bad concepts of time bc you don’t even know that Buicks 2007 models are current models and that was a loooong time ago in your opinion but 1914 was just around the corner lol . Also it only takes one year to prove oneself even if someone has a longer track record The Malibu is just as shitty Sebring Its no real comp to the Camry and the Accord or even the 09 Sonata when it comes to the US It’s not going to happen and you hoping and praying won’t make it happen either Hey you are the guys who want me lol JJT whatever fantasies you have take them out on Impulsive or Limbos. You are a janitor so mop this shit up I don’t expect you to understand this conversation I understand that you would trust a drop out before you would trust a proven winner!
You would take the chance on the loser and overlook the proven winner is what I understand you can twist it around any way you want but no one would take the chance on the Malibu
You are truly a fool. I know you are an idiot but I didn’t know you were a complete idiot. The real world doesn’t work that way and for you to say that you would hire CM just to prove a point is ridiculous. You will never be in a position of power with that sort of thinking. Its people like you that have kept GM down all these years. Stubborn ignorant American pride
The Accord -all of them have great track records or better than their American comp so you acting as if 92 was the only good one is silly.

In addition you have bad concepts of time bc you don’t even know that Buicks 2007 models are current models and that was a loooong time ago in your opinion but 1914 was just around the corner lol . Also it only takes one year to prove oneself even if someone has a longer track record
The Malibu is just as shitty Sebring Its no real comp to the Camry and the Accord or even the 09 Sonata when it comes to the US
It’s not going to happen and you hoping and praying won’t make it happen either
Hey you are the guys who want me lol JJT whatever fantasies you have take them out on Impulsive or Limbos. You are a janitor so mop this shit up I don’t expect you to understand this conversation

]]> By: Commodore http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343452 Commodore Thu, 29 Nov 2007 01:27:01 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343452 The only circumstances under which someone would even consider to buy a Chinese car would be because of the fact that most Chinese cars are often half the price of the car they copied (because the Chinese car company that made the car didn't have to spend much money on developing the car since they just copied it, it was built for under $2 an hour, and they depress their currencies so they can cheaply export them). Even 1115 can afford the BYD city car that was a Toyoda copy - it only cost $3200 when converted into dollars. Anyway, don't let this post distract you 1115. I'd rather that you respond to my last post (about JJT's). Besides, this isn't directed at you anyway The only circumstances under which someone would even consider to buy a Chinese car would be because of the fact that most Chinese cars are often half the price of the car they copied (because the Chinese car company that made the car didn’t have to spend much money on developing the car since they just copied it, it was built for under $2 an hour, and they depress their currencies so they can cheaply export them). Even 1115 can afford the BYD city car that was a Toyoda copy – it only cost $3200 when converted into dollars. Anyway, don’t let this post distract you 1115. I’d rather that you respond to my last post (about JJT’s). Besides, this isn’t directed at you anyway

]]> By: jackjimturkey http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343445 jackjimturkey Thu, 29 Nov 2007 01:11:30 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343445 "Wow, its funny how eager you guys are to jump on me," That what you said at the frathouse? Or was it the outhouse? "We all know the Accord is better than any comparable American crap." 1115: the word "crap" is superfluous. If you're saying "Accord," and "comparable," "crap" is implied. Like the "I" in the sentence "thank you." is a top selling car and will have minor problems here and there but nothing major like the American cars. The other guy got so excited he couldn’t even spell “OWNED” correctly HILARIOUS. "I don’t give a shit about the Sebring." I don't think any of us does, but you bought something even crappier. I had a Tempo that went to 120k, not 500k, and I've never owned a truck. Get your misquotes straight. "Anything you post unless I see the article myself is false." Some one suggested earlier that the Fluffer might be George W. I see that now. JD power is BS, Fluffer, we all know that. But how did you "prove" it's a pay-for-play (compound modifier requiring hyphens) site? If you had, wouldn't John David Power's racist ass be in jail? "Cite the best selling most reliable car (sic). Not one and the same. "I have things to do." Is that what they call 'em in North Hollywood now? "The Taurus was a mistake by ford." More retardation. You think the company should've kept the Granada/ "I know it’s hard to admit that the Japanese are building superior better looking (sic) more fuel efficient (sic) more reliable vehicles (sic) but you have to give it up and accept it." No, in some cases Japanese vehicles are all of the above. Not hard to admit that. "I think you were the one who tried to test my 3 Series TL argument ..." I didn't test your argument, I supported an earlier claim I made. http://www.leftlanenews.com/hyundai-genesis.html Commodore: some people will, under the right circumstances, try a Chinese car. “Wow, its funny how eager you guys are to jump on me,”
That what you said at the frathouse? Or was it the outhouse?

“We all know the Accord is better than any comparable American crap.”
1115: the word “crap” is superfluous. If you’re saying “Accord,” and “comparable,” “crap” is implied.

Like the “I” in the sentence “thank you.”

is a top selling car and will have minor problems here and there but nothing major like the American cars. The other guy got so excited he couldn’t even spell “OWNED” correctly HILARIOUS.

“I don’t give a shit about the Sebring.”
I don’t think any of us does, but you bought something even crappier.

I had a Tempo that went to 120k, not 500k, and I’ve never owned a truck. Get your misquotes straight.

“Anything you post unless I see the article myself is false.”
Some one suggested earlier that the Fluffer might be George W. I see that now.

JD power is BS, Fluffer, we all know that. But how did you “prove” it’s a pay-for-play (compound modifier requiring hyphens) site? If you had, wouldn’t John David Power’s racist ass be in jail?

“Cite the best selling most reliable car (sic).
Not one and the same.

“I have things to do.”
Is that what they call ‘em in North Hollywood now?

“The Taurus was a mistake by ford.”
More retardation. You think the company should’ve kept the Granada/

“I know it’s hard to admit that the Japanese are building superior better looking (sic) more fuel efficient (sic) more reliable vehicles (sic) but you have to give it up and accept it.”

No, in some cases Japanese vehicles are all of the above. Not hard to admit that.

“I think you were the one who tried to test my 3 Series TL argument …”

I didn’t test your argument, I supported an earlier claim I made.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/hyundai-genesis.html

Commodore: some people will, under the right circumstances, try a Chinese car.

]]> By: Commodore http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343415 Commodore Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:17:58 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343415 1115 that was a REALLY bad example that actually helped prove my point. First of all, I am not going to use the stupid names you made up, but the point is that those two people are just that - people. They is not a new edition of them that comes out every 4 years or so, they are essentially the same person they always were. So if Harry or whatever is the 92 Accord, he will ALWAYS be the 92 Accord. He is not ever going to release a new edition of himself and suddenly become the 2008 Accord. Same with the Malibu guy. If he is...say..the 2005 Malibu, he will always be the 2005 'Bu - he will never redesign himself completely and become the 2008 Malibu. So yes, the 92 Accord had and still has a good track record so the 1992 Accord can be trusted. The 1992 Accord has proven itself. The 2008 Accord is a BRAND NEW vehicle and has no history. It's like a baby that was just born a few months ago. It has not gotten older. It has not gone to high school - none of that. We don't know anything about how it will turn out. Your guess is as good as mine. That is why I gave you the Camry example which you failed to address. The old Camries are mostly good - THEY proved themselves. However, the new one is just growing up and is proving itself to be VERY unreliable and of bad quality with all the problems it has had. Do you understand why you are wrong now? And no, if a Chinese car comes here it will not automatically be given "a chance" because there are other things we must look at. First of all, it has to be priced right, look good, and be designed well. Since most Chinese cars either look like the scribbles I drew on my notebook in college OR are plagerized designs from Toyoda or GM, most Chinese cars will be eliminating from my shopping list right then and there. That is why the Sebring is not worth being considered - because it looks horrible (especially from the back) and has an all-plastic interior. 1115 that was a REALLY bad example that actually helped prove my point. First of all, I am not going to use the stupid names you made up, but the point is that those two people are just that – people. They is not a new edition of them that comes out every 4 years or so, they are essentially the same person they always were. So if Harry or whatever is the 92 Accord, he will ALWAYS be the 92 Accord. He is not ever going to release a new edition of himself and suddenly become the 2008 Accord. Same with the Malibu guy. If he is…say..the 2005 Malibu, he will always be the 2005 ‘Bu – he will never redesign himself completely and become the 2008 Malibu. So yes, the 92 Accord had and still has a good track record so the 1992 Accord can be trusted. The 1992 Accord has proven itself. The 2008 Accord is a BRAND NEW vehicle and has no history. It’s like a baby that was just born a few months ago. It has not gotten older. It has not gone to high school – none of that. We don’t know anything about how it will turn out. Your guess is as good as mine. That is why I gave you the Camry example which you failed to address. The old Camries are mostly good – THEY proved themselves. However, the new one is just growing up and is proving itself to be VERY unreliable and of bad quality with all the problems it has had. Do you understand why you are wrong now?

And no, if a Chinese car comes here it will not automatically be given “a chance” because there are other things we must look at. First of all, it has to be priced right, look good, and be designed well. Since most Chinese cars either look like the scribbles I drew on my notebook in college OR are plagerized designs from Toyoda or GM, most Chinese cars will be eliminating from my shopping list right then and there. That is why the Sebring is not worth being considered – because it looks horrible (especially from the back) and has an all-plastic interior.

]]> By: tripleonefive http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343411 tripleonefive Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:12:15 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343411 JJ what argument? They are all baseless What awards has the Malibu won? A Taurus with ratty carpeting lol The Taurus was a mistake by ford and they got rid of it only to put the name on a shittier car lol I know it’s hard to admit that the Japanese are building superior better looking more fuel efficient more reliable vehicles but you have to give it up and accept it I think you were the one who tried to test my 3 Series TL argument and didn’t use similarly equipped vehicles and tried to fudge the numbers in your favor only to be show up . JJ what argument? They are all baseless What awards has the Malibu won? A Taurus with ratty carpeting lol
The Taurus was a mistake by ford and they got rid of it only to put the name on a shittier car lol
I know it’s hard to admit that the Japanese are building superior better looking more fuel efficient more reliable vehicles but you have to give it up and accept it
I think you were the one who tried to test my 3 Series TL argument and didn’t use similarly equipped vehicles and tried to fudge the numbers in your favor only to be show up .

]]> By: tripleonefive http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343406 tripleonefive Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:03:46 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343406 Wow, its funny how eager you guys are to jump on me lol. Unfortunately you wasted your time by looking up all that info bc the question posed to juju was what was flawed about the last model Accord (03-07). Some joker (Jjcay 08 I think?) said that the Accord wasn’t that great and I asked why lol. Of course no vehicle is flawless but we all know the Accord is better than any comparable American crap. Also the Accord is a top selling car and will have minor problems here and there but nothing major like the American cars. The other guy got so excited he couldn’t even spell “OWNED” correctly HILARIOUS. Now if the Malibu actually outsold the Accord and if I gave a shit I would go and find all the date on the Corsica Lumina and first Malibu’s bc they were the direct competitors to the Accord. Also I don’t give a shit about the Sebring its American crap just like the Malibu What I said is that its equally as shitty as the Malibu. You wasted your time again I love that JJT did some bs copy and paste and posted it on here. Being that you said you had a Civic that went to 91k but had a Tempo that went to 500k and a truck that went to 800 k with no problems I think its safe to say you are not believable. Anything you post unless I see the article myself is false. You don’t have evidence until I have seen that. My evidence is from resale values and reviews on KBB. I think you don’t know that Shady Powers which I already proved is a pay for play site (ask limbos mother about pay for play) and is trash. Cite the best selling most reliable car and I guarantee that Accord or Camry will pop up not anything from GM Ford or Chrysler Also everytime some new slickster comes on this site and wants to jump on the bandwagon doesn’t mean that I have or will pull evidence every single time. Unlike you jack offs I have things to do. Ask Commo and others where I have posted in the past and you will see the evidence I presented new jacks! Keep the corny jokes coming too. I own your thoughts and actions on this board. Wow, its funny how eager you guys are to jump on me lol. Unfortunately you wasted your time by looking up all that info bc the question posed to juju was what was flawed about the last model Accord (03-07). Some joker (Jjcay 08 I think?) said that the Accord wasn’t that great and I asked why lol. Of course no vehicle is flawless but we all know the Accord is better than any comparable American crap. Also the Accord is a top selling car and will have minor problems here and there but nothing major like the American cars. The other guy got so excited he couldn’t even spell “OWNED” correctly HILARIOUS.

Now if the Malibu actually outsold the Accord and if I gave a shit I would go and find all the date on the Corsica Lumina and first Malibu’s bc they were the direct competitors to the Accord. Also I don’t give a shit about the Sebring its American crap just like the Malibu What I said is that its equally as shitty as the Malibu. You wasted your time again

I love that JJT did some bs copy and paste and posted it on here. Being that you said you had a Civic that went to 91k but had a Tempo that went to 500k and a truck that went to 800 k with no problems I think its safe to say you are not believable. Anything you post unless I see the article myself is false. You don’t have evidence until I have seen that. My evidence is from resale values and reviews on KBB. I think you don’t know that Shady Powers which I already proved is a pay for play site (ask limbos mother about pay for play) and is trash.

Cite the best selling most reliable car and I guarantee that Accord or Camry will pop up not anything from GM Ford or Chrysler
Also everytime some new slickster comes on this site and wants to jump on the bandwagon doesn’t mean that I have or will pull evidence every single time. Unlike you jack offs I have things to do. Ask Commo and others where I have posted in the past and you will see the evidence I presented new jacks!
Keep the corny jokes coming too. I own your thoughts and actions on this board.

]]> By: injunraiv http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343380 injunraiv Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:48:49 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343380 btw, whatever happened to GM_SALES? btw, whatever happened to GM_SALES?

]]> By: injunraiv http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343379 injunraiv Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:48:30 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343379 I think we're all wasting our time. 1115 doesn't know how to get past page 1... I think we’re all wasting our time. 1115 doesn’t know how to get past page 1…

]]> By: jackjimturkey http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343349 jackjimturkey Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:54:08 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343349 jjay: You're a liar! no ford lasts past 26.2 miles. I know that because I owned one ... never mind I don't think the wife and kids would go for a taurus wago. jjay: You’re a liar!
no ford lasts past 26.2 miles.
I know that because I owned one …
never mind

I don’t think the wife and kids would go for a taurus wago.

]]> By: jJayC08 http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343344 jJayC08 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:37:37 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343344 tripleonefive- Once again, you avoid an argument, mine specifically. I guess you can't post any evidence, aside from a few biased reviews. I've asked you to post evidence numerous times, and yet you can't find anything. So, what's so innovative, special, unique or amazing about the Camry or Accord, that should make me want to buy one? And what a poor comparison, Chris and Maybe the reason why we reply to you every day is because your ridiculous! There might be a FEW comments, that have agreed with you, on LLN and other forums. Tell me, why do you think that? And actually, I drive a 91' Ford Taurus wagon, V-6. Like I've mentioned before, no problems, 150,000 miles and counting. Wonderful vehicle, tons of room, seating for seven and around 25 miles to the gallon. It's the ton of room that it has that's prevented me from buying a truck, until now. You know what complaints I have about it? 1-Rat fur carpeting 2-The rear gas cylinders for opening the tailgate wore out about 6 months ago. I bought new ones for 80 bucks, at the local car parts place. And that's it. No defects, no problems, very smooth and nicely build, no "body panel gaps" or anything like that. I know I made a smart choice, it isn't the price or the choice of the vehicle that makes me happy, it's the service that I get from it. tripleonefive- Once again, you avoid an argument, mine specifically. I guess you can’t post any evidence, aside from a few biased reviews. I’ve asked you to post evidence numerous times, and yet you can’t find anything.

So, what’s so innovative, special, unique or amazing about the Camry or Accord, that should make me want to buy one?

And what a poor comparison, Chris and

Maybe the reason why we reply to you every day is because your ridiculous! There might be a FEW comments, that have agreed with you, on LLN and other forums. Tell me, why do you think that?

And actually, I drive a 91′ Ford Taurus wagon, V-6. Like I’ve mentioned before, no problems, 150,000 miles and counting. Wonderful vehicle, tons of room, seating for seven and around 25 miles to the gallon. It’s the ton of room that it has that’s prevented me from buying a truck, until now. You know what complaints I have about it?

1-Rat fur carpeting
2-The rear gas cylinders for opening the tailgate wore out about 6 months ago. I bought new ones for 80 bucks, at the local car parts place.

And that’s it. No defects, no problems, very smooth and nicely build, no “body panel gaps” or anything like that. I know I made a smart choice, it isn’t the price or the choice of the vehicle that makes me happy, it’s the service that I get from it.

]]> By: jackjimturkey http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343288 jackjimturkey Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:07:56 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343288 Commuter coffin rankings: Sebring will be 100, since that's what the fluffer mention. Other numbers are how much sense it makes to buy that car relative to a sebring 1 GM Epsilon 145 2 Mazda6 Ford Fusion 140 4 GM W Body 135 5 Hyundai Sonata 133 Volkswagen Passat 131 Subaru Legacy/Liberty 128 Toyota Prius 117 Altima 116 Galant 105 10 Sebring 100 Kia Optima 99 13 Accord/tl 60 Camry/es350 37 "The Camry has been and is a reliable car." yeah, you can rely on it to suck! "If this thing can knock the Camry and Accord out of the top spots then I may stop posting. Until then it sucks." Do I have to explain how retarded that sentence is? By that logic, Jimi Hendrix, velvet Underground and Ike turner all Suck. So does pavement. CA36GTP: "awful CL?" what a redundancy! tripleonefluffer: That FWD thing called Monte Carlo was a good car, but looked too garish. At what point was the Accord flawed. (sic) When they put an "A" on the front. Airbags: The airbag warning light may come on if a cell phone or laptop computer is plugged into the accessory power socket. (2002) Automatic transmission: On V6 models, transmissions may fail due to lack of thread-locking compound on nut for low clutch. Honda/Acura has extended warranty on affected vehicles to 7 years or 100,000 miles. (1999-2002) Brakes: The brake light may not go off. The cause is a saturated float in the master cylinder that should be replaced under warranty or beyond. (1998) Check-engine light: "Check Engine" light may glow on vehicles used where salt is used on the roads because the EVAP solenoid fails. (1998-02) Oil leak: Oil leaks from multiple locations including bolt holes on V6 engines. (1998-2001) Paint/body: If the car is driven on rough roads, the spoiler on the trunk can rub through the paint unless spacer pads are installed between the spoiler and trunklid. (1998) Suspension noise: Loose nuts on the rear stabilizer bar cause it to rattle. (1998) Transmission problems: Automatic transmission problems prompted to company to extend warranty coverage to 7 years/100,000 miles. (2000-02) Vehicle noise: Noises come from the top of the windshield and rear window because the teeth for the glass fasteners aren't engaged. The teeth must be trimmed and a wool felt installed. (1998) Wheels: Clicking noises from the wheels can be remedied by applying special grease between the wheels and hubs. (1999-2000) raiv: You're right, the accord is a flawless vehicle. Liar! Commuter coffin rankings: Sebring will be 100, since that’s what the fluffer mention. Other numbers are how much sense it makes to buy that car relative to a sebring

1 GM Epsilon 145
2 Mazda6
Ford Fusion 140
4 GM W Body 135
5 Hyundai Sonata 133
Volkswagen Passat 131
Subaru Legacy/Liberty 128
Toyota Prius 117
Altima 116
Galant 105
10 Sebring 100
Kia Optima 99
13 Accord/tl 60
Camry/es350 37

“The Camry has been and is a reliable car.” yeah, you can rely on it to suck!

“If this thing can knock the Camry and Accord out of the top spots then I may stop posting. Until then it sucks.”

Do I have to explain how retarded that sentence is?
By that logic, Jimi Hendrix, velvet Underground and Ike turner all Suck. So does pavement.

CA36GTP: “awful CL?” what a redundancy!

tripleonefluffer: That FWD thing called Monte Carlo was a good car, but looked too garish.

At what point was the Accord flawed. (sic) When they put an “A” on the front.

Airbags: The airbag warning light may come on if a cell phone or laptop computer is plugged into the accessory power socket. (2002)

Automatic transmission: On V6 models, transmissions may fail due to lack of thread-locking compound on nut for low clutch. Honda/Acura has extended warranty on affected vehicles to 7 years or 100,000 miles. (1999-2002)

Brakes: The brake light may not go off. The cause is a saturated float in the master cylinder that should be replaced under warranty or beyond. (1998)

Check-engine light: “Check Engine” light may glow on vehicles used where salt is used on the roads because the EVAP solenoid fails. (1998-02)

Oil leak: Oil leaks from multiple locations including bolt holes on V6 engines. (1998-2001)

Paint/body: If the car is driven on rough roads, the spoiler on the trunk can rub through the paint unless spacer pads are installed between the spoiler and trunklid. (1998)

Suspension noise: Loose nuts on the rear stabilizer bar cause it to rattle. (1998)

Transmission problems: Automatic transmission problems prompted to company to extend warranty coverage to 7 years/100,000 miles. (2000-02)

Vehicle noise: Noises come from the top of the windshield and rear window because the teeth for the glass fasteners aren’t engaged. The teeth must be trimmed and a wool felt installed. (1998)

Wheels: Clicking noises from the wheels can be remedied by applying special grease between the wheels and hubs. (1999-2000)

raiv: You’re right, the accord is a flawless vehicle. Liar!

]]> By: jackjimturkey http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343285 jackjimturkey Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:59:29 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343285 Back from KBB, and this is what I've found Sebring Limited (3.5, AWD): $25,984 235 bhp Mazda6 SVE (3.0, FWD): $22,941 212 bhp Altima SE: (3.5, FWD): $23,407 270 bhp Legacy R (3.0, AWD) $29,812 245 bhp While all of these Japanese cars are superior to the Sebring, only the legacy has a higher invoice price. Equipment is largely the same, but the legacy has standard navigation system and moonroof. The Sebring is SOHC. The other Japanese mid-sizer that’s superior to a Sebring is the prius. I didn’t think it would be fair to include that in the comparison Back from KBB, and this is what I’ve found

Sebring Limited (3.5, AWD): $25,984 235 bhp
Mazda6 SVE (3.0, FWD): $22,941 212 bhp
Altima SE: (3.5, FWD): $23,407 270 bhp
Legacy R (3.0, AWD) $29,812 245 bhp

While all of these Japanese cars are superior to the Sebring, only the legacy has a higher invoice price. Equipment is largely the same, but the legacy has standard navigation system and moonroof. The Sebring is SOHC. The other Japanese mid-sizer that’s superior to a Sebring is the prius. I didn’t think it would be fair to include that in the comparison

]]> By: jackjimturkey http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343248 jackjimturkey Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:17:56 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343248 lucklaster :1115- Just because you went down on your cousin Bill the first time in one of the asian cars you are always touting doesn't mean a lot of the rest of us have such romantic notions about those cars." But does that mean it's not a virgin? tripe-fluffer: "Under Commodores logic the Chinese car companies come in say that they have a competitor for the Honda Accord that should be considered even though the Chinese competitor is unproven or has a shitty track record." No, the Chinese car should be considered a competitor for the Honda Accord BECAUSE it is shitty! A Sebring is ideed a POS, but at least it's not a accord. Although I'll soon be driving the new model. "If anything the Sebring is on the same boat as the Malibu." Would that be the boat to japan to show them what a REAL midsizer is? "The Sebring is just there to get the people who can’t afford a superior Japanese car." Let's check KBB lucklaster :1115-
Just because you went down on your cousin Bill the first time in one of the asian cars you are always touting doesn’t mean a lot of the rest of us have such romantic notions about those cars.”

But does that mean it’s not a virgin?

tripe-fluffer: “Under Commodores logic the Chinese car companies come in say that they have a competitor for the Honda Accord that should be considered even though the Chinese competitor is unproven or has a shitty track record.”

No, the Chinese car should be considered a competitor for the Honda Accord BECAUSE it is shitty!

A Sebring is ideed a POS, but at least it’s not a accord. Although I’ll soon be driving the new model.
“If anything the Sebring is on the same boat as the Malibu.”
Would that be the boat to japan to show them what a REAL midsizer is?

“The Sebring is just there to get the people who can’t afford a superior Japanese car.”
Let’s check KBB

]]> By: injunraiv http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343239 injunraiv Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:07:42 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343239 Honda Accord Known Service Issues: Airbags: The airbag warning light may come on if a cell phone or laptop computer is plugged into the accessory power socket. (2002) Automatic transmission: On V6 models, transmissions may fail due to lack of thread-locking compound on nut for low clutch. Honda/Acura has extended warranty on affected vehicles to 7 years or 100,000 miles. (1999-2002) Brakes: The brake light may not go off. The cause is a saturated float in the master cylinder that should be replaced under warranty or beyond. (1998) Check-engine light: "Check EngineÓ light may glow on vehicles used where salt is used on the roads because the EVAP solenoid fails. (1998-02) Oil leak: Oil leaks from multiple locations including bolt holes on V6 engines. (1998-2001) Paint/body: If the car is driven on rough roads, the spoiler on the trunk can rub through the paint unless spacer pads are installed between the spoiler and trunklid. (1998) Suspension noise: Loose nuts on the rear stabilizer bar cause it to rattle. (1998) Transmission problems: Automatic transmission problems prompted to company to extend warranty coverage to 7 years/100,000 miles. (2000-02) Vehicle noise: Noises come from the top of the windshield and rear window because the teeth for the glass fasteners aren't engaged. The teeth must be trimmed and a wool felt installed. (1998) Wheels: Clicking noises from the wheels can be remedied by applying special grease between the wheels and hubs. (1999-2000) Oh, yeah. PWNED! Honda Accord Known Service Issues:

Airbags: The airbag warning light may come on if a cell phone or laptop computer is plugged into the accessory power socket. (2002)

Automatic transmission: On V6 models, transmissions may fail due to lack of thread-locking compound on nut for low clutch. Honda/Acura has extended warranty on affected vehicles to 7 years or 100,000 miles. (1999-2002)

Brakes: The brake light may not go off. The cause is a saturated float in the master cylinder that should be replaced under warranty or beyond. (1998)

Check-engine light: “Check EngineÓ light may glow on vehicles used where salt is used on the roads because the EVAP solenoid fails. (1998-02)

Oil leak: Oil leaks from multiple locations including bolt holes on V6 engines. (1998-2001)

Paint/body: If the car is driven on rough roads, the spoiler on the trunk can rub through the paint unless spacer pads are installed between the spoiler and trunklid. (1998)

Suspension noise: Loose nuts on the rear stabilizer bar cause it to rattle. (1998)

Transmission problems: Automatic transmission problems prompted to company to extend warranty coverage to 7 years/100,000 miles. (2000-02)

Vehicle noise: Noises come from the top of the windshield and rear window because the teeth for the glass fasteners aren’t engaged. The teeth must be trimmed and a wool felt installed. (1998)

Wheels: Clicking noises from the wheels can be remedied by applying special grease between the wheels and hubs. (1999-2000)

Oh, yeah. PWNED!

]]> By: tripleonefive http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343157 tripleonefive Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:52:33 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343157 And you respond to my comments everyday. At what point was the Accord flawed. Chris is your choice too I see Hes a loser just like the Malibu. He also has a loser cousin Sam Alton (Saturn Aura) And you respond to my comments everyday. At what point was the Accord flawed. Chris is your choice too I see
Hes a loser just like the Malibu. He also has a loser cousin Sam Alton (Saturn Aura)

]]> By: RicardoHead http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343149 RicardoHead Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:27:15 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343149 1115 says... ..................... "Polly want a cracker! Polly want a cracker" .. day after day after day. 1115 says…
………………… “Polly want a cracker! Polly want a cracker”

.. day after day after day.

]]> By: injunraiv http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343142 injunraiv Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:35:42 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343142 I love 1115's logic. He 'conveniently' leaves out Harry's recent drinking induced sexual harrasment suit that has cost his company millions. And while Chris isn't fresh out of rehab, he's shown a better track record recently. Who would you hire? I love 1115′s logic. He ‘conveniently’ leaves out Harry’s recent drinking induced sexual harrasment suit that has cost his company millions. And while Chris isn’t fresh out of rehab, he’s shown a better track record recently.

Who would you hire?

]]> By: tripleonefive http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343140 tripleonefive Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:18:20 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343140 LOL the awful CL ? What coupe has america made that was nice The Monte Carlon lol Alejandro- Keep trying You have that same logic that why you have nothing to say LOL the awful CL ? What coupe has america made that was nice The Monte Carlon lol
Alejandro- Keep trying You have that same logic that why you have nothing to say

]]> By: CA36GTP http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343137 CA36GTP Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:09:32 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343137 1115, only you could applaud Honda for taking the Accord coupe's styling back 5 years to the awful Acura CL. 1115, only you could applaud Honda for taking the Accord coupe’s styling back 5 years to the awful Acura CL.

]]> By: RicardoHead http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343135 RicardoHead Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:38:43 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343135 And did ya fück it up it's rusty tailpipe, 1115? Or maybe just think about it. By the way, no one is joking in their derogatory comments about you. What "they" say is "the truth is stranger than fiction" which is particularly true in your psychotic case, and all these other "they say" things you pull out your butt are pure fantasy, alongside your fantasy about Japanese superiority. And did ya fück it up it’s rusty tailpipe, 1115? Or maybe just think about it.

By the way, no one is joking in their derogatory comments about you.

What “they” say is “the truth is stranger than fiction” which is particularly true in your psychotic case, and all these other “they say” things you pull out your butt are pure fantasy, alongside your fantasy about Japanese superiority.

]]> By: tripleonefive http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343125 tripleonefive Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:56:41 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343125 Lack luster they say that jokes are taken from a persons real life Think about it Valiant effort but no pay off What awards for best imitation of a Diamante? Who the hell are you to instate or reinstate anything? The number one selling car in America is the Camry the runner up is the Accord. The proof is obvious. You have to prove fact to ME! Under Commodores logic two candidates can go in for a job interview at a major company The first candidate lets call him Harry Anderson (Honda Accord) and the second candidate Chris Murphy (Chevy Malibu) Harry finished high school went to an Ivy League school and interned in the field that he is interviewing for. On top of that he has never done drugs and has been an upstanding citizen. Chris was a high school drop out and didn’t go to college and has no experience in the field that he is interviewing for. He is also a liar a cheat and a thief but he’s “born again” so he wants a fresh start. The first candidate has a proven track record and is reliable and has a past to prove it. The second candidate has a shaky past and no track record. Let say he’s a born again Christian and wants a fresh start. There is a lot of money to gain or lose with this decision. With Commodores logic Chris would be the better candidate Under Commodores logic the Chinese car companies come in say that they have a competitor for the Honda Accord that should be considered even though the Chinese competitor is unproven or has a shitty track record. What makes the Sebring a POS and not the new Malibu? If anything the Sebring is on the same boat as the Malibu. They are both slackers and both look better than the previous model did but that’s what should happen. The Sebring is just there to get the people who can’t afford a superior Japanese car or stubborn idiots like JJT and Commo. JJ. who really believe and hope that the American car companies can do it. Its hype The Camry has been and is a reliable car and the best selling in America and one year of inflated problems doesn’t tarnish that. The Malibu was a rental car in its last two models and I don’t see this being any different. It takes more than one model cycle to make or break a car. The Honda has a proven engine under the hood and I never have read any bad reviews regarding the last models reliability or quality so stop talking out of your ass. If this thing can knock the Camry and Accord out of the top spots then I may stop posting. Until then it sucks and is just a GM.com BTW Today I saw a brand new 08 Accord coupe in white! JESUS CHRIST that thing is sweet! Lack luster they say that jokes are taken from a persons real life Think about it Valiant effort but no pay off
What awards for best imitation of a Diamante? Who the hell are you to instate or reinstate anything? The number one selling car in America is the Camry the runner up is the Accord. The proof is obvious. You have to prove fact to ME!

Under Commodores logic two candidates can go in for a job interview at a major company
The first candidate lets call him Harry Anderson (Honda Accord) and the second candidate Chris Murphy (Chevy Malibu)

Harry finished high school went to an Ivy League school and interned in the field that he is interviewing for. On top of that he has never done drugs and has been an upstanding citizen.

Chris was a high school drop out and didn’t go to college and has no experience in the field that he is interviewing for. He is also a liar a cheat and a thief but he’s “born again” so he wants a fresh start.

The first candidate has a proven track record and is reliable and has a past to prove it. The second candidate has a shaky past and no track record. Let say he’s a born again Christian and wants a fresh start. There is a lot of money to gain or lose with this decision. With Commodores logic Chris would be the better candidate

Under Commodores logic the Chinese car companies come in say that they have a competitor for the Honda Accord that should be considered even though the Chinese competitor is unproven or has a shitty track record.

What makes the Sebring a POS and not the new Malibu? If anything the Sebring is on the same boat as the Malibu. They are both slackers and both look better than the previous model did but that’s what should happen. The Sebring is just there to get the people who can’t afford a superior Japanese car or stubborn idiots like JJT and Commo. JJ. who really believe and hope that the American car companies can do it. Its hype

The Camry has been and is a reliable car and the best selling in America and one year of inflated problems doesn’t tarnish that. The Malibu was a rental car in its last two models and I don’t see this being any different. It takes more than one model cycle to make or break a car.

The Honda has a proven engine under the hood and I never have read any bad reviews regarding the last models reliability or quality so stop talking out of your ass. If this thing can knock the Camry and Accord out of the top spots then I may stop posting. Until then it sucks and is just a GM.com

BTW Today I saw a brand new 08 Accord coupe in white! JESUS CHRIST that thing is sweet!

]]> By: Flipper http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343109 Flipper Wed, 28 Nov 2007 04:13:45 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343109 For a while I was puzzled as to why there is such a discrepancy between the Saturn / Buick sales # . Then it hit me Saturn forces folks to just pay their price , while the Buick dealers are free to bargain. I bet if you let people bargain in a Saturn dealership the #'s would align. For a while I was puzzled as to why there is such a discrepancy between the Saturn / Buick sales # . Then it hit me Saturn forces folks to just pay their price , while the Buick dealers are free to bargain. I bet if you let people bargain in a Saturn dealership the #’s would align.

]]> By: lucklaster http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343106 lucklaster Wed, 28 Nov 2007 03:51:31 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343106 1115- Just because you went down on your cousin Bill the first time in one of the asian cars you are always touting doesn't mean a lot of the rest of us have such romantic notions about those cars. I've gottin all my vehicular puss in American cars and trucks. 1115-
Just because you went down on your cousin Bill the first time in one of the asian cars you are always touting doesn’t mean a lot of the rest of us have such romantic notions about those cars. I’ve gottin all my vehicular puss in American cars and trucks.

]]> By: jJayC08 http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343062 jJayC08 Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:06:06 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343062 Sometimes, I log onto LLN and think to myself, "what a stupid guy this 1115 is... geesh!" and roll my eyes, but occasionally and recently, I log onto LLN and think to myself, "what a stupid guy this 1115 is..." and laugh my ass off. Seriously 1115, do what I just did a few posts back. Find something major about the Camry or Accord, and post it on here, with evidence. Post all the reviews you can find, post all the reliability issues you can claim, post all the evidence. But really in the end I could care less. Knowing that they've made technological achievements in the past will enforce my belief that it's an innovative car, but it doesn't create the belief. What advancements has the Honda Accord or Toyota Camry made? The Toyota Camry has tarnished it's reliability, the Australian version of the same engine has been discontinued due to reliability issues, Toyota admits that they "knew that it was flawed" (why would they do that?), and there's been a mountain of recalls on them. The last generation Honda Accord wasn't all that great or reliable either, not a bad car, but nothing really good. I reinstate what Commodore recently said, about them not being the same car. The Honda Accord was the best selling car in America for two years. The Ford Taurus was the best selling car for about seven, and it only got better until the quirky design, which wasn't particularly bad, just bad looking. Show me proof, you've disproved or proved NOTHING. And yet, you talk about awards, and the Chevrolet Malibu has already won numerous awards, before it's release. Sometimes, I log onto LLN and think to myself, “what a stupid guy this 1115 is… geesh!” and roll my eyes, but occasionally and recently, I log onto LLN and think to myself, “what a stupid guy this 1115 is…” and laugh my ass off.

Seriously 1115, do what I just did a few posts back. Find something major about the Camry or Accord, and post it on here, with evidence. Post all the reviews you can find, post all the reliability issues you can claim, post all the evidence.

But really in the end I could care less.

Knowing that they’ve made technological achievements in the past will enforce my belief that it’s an innovative car, but it doesn’t create the belief. What advancements has the Honda Accord or Toyota Camry made? The Toyota Camry has tarnished it’s reliability, the Australian version of the same engine has been discontinued due to reliability issues, Toyota admits that they “knew that it was flawed” (why would they do that?), and there’s been a mountain of recalls on them. The last generation Honda Accord wasn’t all that great or reliable either, not a bad car, but nothing really good.

I reinstate what Commodore recently said, about them not being the same car.

The Honda Accord was the best selling car in America for two years. The Ford Taurus was the best selling car for about seven, and it only got better until the quirky design, which wasn’t particularly bad, just bad looking.

Show me proof, you’ve disproved or proved NOTHING.

And yet, you talk about awards, and the Chevrolet Malibu has already won numerous awards, before it’s release.

]]> By: injunraiv http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343053 injunraiv Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:29:22 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343053 It's hard not to argue with a fool... ;^) It’s hard not to argue with a fool… ;^)

]]> By: jackjimturkey http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343007 jackjimturkey Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:25:02 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-343007 Commodore: good post. Commodore: good post.

]]> By: Commodore http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-342991 Commodore Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:41:32 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-342991 But 1115, they are COMPLETELY different cars. There is NOTHING that is the same from the 92 or 95 or 99 or even 2005 Accord that is similar with the new one except that it has an "H" badge on it. I am sure that the badge works great, but the car just came out. It is NOT proven, just like the new Malibu is not yet proven. You can't say whether or not brand new cars will be reliable or not. You can predict it, but you could be wrong. I mean, the older Camry's were good but look what happened with this latest one! The old ones were good, the new one is horrible But 1115, they are COMPLETELY different cars. There is NOTHING that is the same from the 92 or 95 or 99 or even 2005 Accord that is similar with the new one except that it has an “H” badge on it. I am sure that the badge works great, but the car just came out. It is NOT proven, just like the new Malibu is not yet proven. You can’t say whether or not brand new cars will be reliable or not. You can predict it, but you could be wrong. I mean, the older Camry’s were good but look what happened with this latest one! The old ones were good, the new one is horrible

]]> By: jackjimturkey http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-342968 jackjimturkey Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:56:42 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-342968 R-head: does cheap aluminum rust? R-head: does cheap aluminum rust?

]]> By: jackjimturkey http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-342967 jackjimturkey Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:56:06 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-342967 "Yes (sic) the 92 (sic) Accord and the 2007 Accord can be used to prove the reliability of the new Accord (sic) because the Accord has a great track record and is proven reliable in previous models." No. The '92 and '07 accords can be used to CONVINCE people of something or other about the '08 model, but they don't PROVE anything! "The Accord and Camry are way superior ...." to the corolla and civic. "The Accord has won numerous awards over the years (so has Milli Vanilli) and was the best selling car in America at one point then the Camry stepped in and took over." Taurus was the best seller forabout four years in between. So What, N'Sync amnd Britney have sold millions of albums, but is that enough to convince people who know music that they're any good. "GM’s track record always comes into play and so does Toyotas (sic)." tRUE, THAT'S WHY i'M BUYING MY THIRD gm CAR and every former toyota owner in my family now drives something else. "If the Malibu is classic ..." There's such a thing as a classic Malibu, but the Malibu Classic ain't it! If you can find an '87 camry that's still running. “Yes (sic) the 92 (sic) Accord and the 2007 Accord can be used to prove the reliability of the new Accord (sic) because the Accord has a great track record and is proven reliable in previous models.”

No. The ’92 and ’07 accords can be used to CONVINCE people of something or other about the ’08 model, but they don’t PROVE anything!

“The Accord and Camry are way superior ….” to the corolla and civic.

“The Accord has won numerous awards over the years (so has Milli Vanilli) and was the best selling car in America at one point then the Camry stepped in and took over.”

Taurus was the best seller forabout four years in between. So What, N’Sync amnd Britney have sold millions of albums, but is that enough to convince people who know music that they’re any good.

“GM’s track record always comes into play and so does Toyotas (sic).” tRUE, THAT’S WHY i’M BUYING MY THIRD gm CAR and every former toyota owner in my family now drives something else.

“If the Malibu is classic …”
There’s such a thing as a classic Malibu, but the Malibu Classic ain’t it!

If you can find an ’87 camry that’s still running.

]]> By: RicardoHead http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-342966 RicardoHead Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:55:35 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-342966 Yes but 1115, just because you stem from a family of sluts doesn't mean you are ever going to get laid, despite your delusionary tendencies. Unless you fück your 1995 CrapCord up its rusty tailpipe. Yes but 1115, just because you stem from a family of sluts doesn’t mean you are ever going to get laid, despite your delusionary tendencies.

Unless you fück your 1995 CrapCord up its rusty tailpipe.

]]> By: CA36GTP http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-342965 CA36GTP Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:55:21 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-342965 1115: On the contrary, Toyota has just shown with the Camry V-6 that it only takes one altered powertrain to change reliability. 1115: On the contrary, Toyota has just shown with the Camry V-6 that it only takes one altered powertrain to change reliability.

]]> By: tripleonefive http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-342957 tripleonefive Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:36:14 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-342957 Yes the 92 Accord and the 2007 Accord can be used to prove the reliability of the new Accord because the Accord has a great track record and is proven reliable in previous models. The Malibu or Malibu classic (disgusting) is not proven and neither is the Error. They are not equal in any way shape or form. The Accord and Camry are way superior. The Accord has won numerous awards over the years for reliability and was the best selling car in America at one point then the Camry stepped in and took over. GM’s track record always comes into play and so does Toyotas. One bad model year of Toyota is not equivalent to GM s track record of poor quality cars that have more name changes than lifecycles. A car must prove the test of time and the test of time is more than 1 model year for a new car. The Camry has a track record similar to the Accord and if it has problems now it is still more reliable than an unproven car with a poor past from a company like GM If the Malibu is classic, I guess the Teraza Ranier and Rendezvous are classic also? Gm putting classic on anything is a disgrace to the very word Classic itself I never used CR and you never have proven me wrong. Saying it wont make it a reality You seem to do that a lot . The Malibu is classic and the new Malibu is reliebale and so is the Aura ? Keep dreaming they are crap until the stand 10 solid years of no problems and a high resale like the 92 Accord or the 87 Camry yet again. Yes the 92 Accord and the 2007 Accord can be used to prove the reliability of the new Accord because the Accord has a great track record and is proven reliable in previous models. The Malibu or Malibu classic (disgusting) is not proven and neither is the Error. They are not equal in any way shape or form. The Accord and Camry are way superior. The Accord has won numerous awards over the years for reliability and was the best selling car in America at one point then the Camry stepped in and took over. GM’s track record always comes into play and so does Toyotas. One bad model year of Toyota is not equivalent to GM s track record of poor quality cars that have more name changes than lifecycles. A car must prove the test of time and the test of time is more than 1 model year for a new car. The Camry has a track record similar to the Accord and if it has problems now it is still more reliable than an unproven car with a poor past from a company like GM
If the Malibu is classic, I guess the Teraza Ranier and Rendezvous are classic also? Gm putting classic on anything is a disgrace to the very word Classic itself
I never used CR and you never have proven me wrong. Saying it wont make it a reality You seem to do that a lot . The Malibu is classic and the new Malibu is reliebale and so is the Aura ? Keep dreaming they are crap until the stand 10 solid years of no problems and a high resale like the 92 Accord or the 87 Camry yet again.

]]> By: lucklaster http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-342942 lucklaster Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:43:23 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-342942 Exactly. If only the apologists would have such a lucid view. Exactly. If only the apologists would have such a lucid view.

]]> By: jackjimturkey http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-342934 jackjimturkey Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:25:29 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-342934 I do, too. Motor Trend's now-meaningless COTY doesn't make me like it any more. That was my point. I do, too. Motor Trend’s now-meaningless COTY doesn’t make me like it any more. That was my point.

]]> By: lucklaster http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-342922 lucklaster Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:36:25 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-342922 jjt- I don't care that it came from a stupid ass, no credimundo, inkorama, ragamuffin- they said it, I stand by it. jjt-
I don’t care that it came from a stupid ass, no
credimundo, inkorama, ragamuffin-
they said it, I stand by it.

]]> By: jackjimturkey http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-342910 jackjimturkey Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:57:19 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-342910 "not the greatest car in its class ever made or anything." yeah, actually, it is (fine print: "excludes other GM products.") Everyone, even its most beloved fans at Consumer Reports, said that it is no longer considered a high quality, reliable car. What is also true is that GM made (I don't know if you have learned what past tense is yet 1115) unreliable, bad cars under all sorts of names throughout the 80s and early 90s. So here is my logic: Commodore: You don't get it. The fluffer will never be convinced my rational thought. It has already made up its mind, and will only respond to toyonda babble, no matter how much excrement is included. RicardoHead: If I were in the midsize-sedan market right now, I'd be choosing among Aura, mazda6 and Dodge Charger, though the latter is not a true commuter coffin. "the new Accord is so dull and putzy looking." I yhink it looks nice, but dull is what this category is all about. CA36GTP: "Camry doesn't even register on my radar." Mine, neither. Not even if you put an "L" on the front. Fluffer One year of recalls for the Camry is not enough to ruin a 20-year record for quality and reliabiltiy." You know someone who drives an '87 Camry? Thought not. CR is less stupid than it is biased, fluffer. It's long been true that you could get a better car (than the Camry) for less, but the new model is so bad, CR can't even fake it now. "The Accord and Camry have high resales values." To whom? RicardoHead: "If track record were any true indication, 1115 would be taking it deep up his äss by different guys every night like his mother did for the past 20 years, but 1115 can't even get laid ….. so their goes his theory right down the toilet along with his dead gerbil." That would be funny if it weren't so true. lucklaster: OK, now that a magazine with real credibility has awarded the CTS an honor .... Well, I already liked it. lamboz get a life: The fluffer got its ass kicked the last time it was shadowboxing “not the greatest car in its class ever made or anything.”
yeah, actually, it is (fine print: “excludes other GM products.”)

Everyone, even its most beloved fans at Consumer Reports, said that it is no longer considered a high quality, reliable car. What is also true is that GM made (I don’t know if you have learned what past tense is yet 1115) unreliable, bad cars under all sorts of names throughout the 80s and early 90s. So here is my logic:

Commodore: You don’t get it. The fluffer will never be convinced my rational thought. It has already made up its mind, and will only respond to toyonda babble, no matter how much excrement is included.

RicardoHead: If I were in the midsize-sedan market right now, I’d be choosing among Aura, mazda6 and Dodge Charger, though the latter is not a true commuter coffin.

“the new Accord is so dull and putzy looking.” I yhink it looks nice, but dull is what this category is all about.

CA36GTP: “Camry doesn’t even register on my radar.” Mine, neither. Not even if you put an “L” on the front.

Fluffer One year of recalls for the Camry is not enough to ruin a 20-year record for quality and reliabiltiy.”
You know someone who drives an ’87 Camry? Thought not.

CR is less stupid than it is biased, fluffer. It’s long been true that you could get a better car (than the Camry) for less, but the new model is so bad, CR can’t even fake it now.

“The Accord and Camry have high resales values.” To whom?

RicardoHead:
“If track record were any true indication, 1115 would be taking it deep up his äss by different guys every night like his mother did for the past 20 years, but 1115 can’t even get laid ….. so their goes his theory right down the toilet along with his dead gerbil.”

That would be funny if it weren’t so true.

lucklaster: OK, now that a magazine with real credibility has awarded the CTS an honor ….
Well, I already liked it.

lamboz get a life: The fluffer got its ass kicked the last time it was shadowboxing

]]> By: RicardoHead http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-342905 RicardoHead Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:27:27 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-malibu-sales-far-out-pace-expectations-buick-enclave-slaes-still-strong.html#comment-342905 If track record were any true indication, 1115 would be taking it deep up his äss by different guys every night like his mother did for the past 20 years, but 1115 can't even get laid ..... so their goes his theory right down the toilet along with his dead gerbil. If track record were any true indication, 1115 would be taking it deep up his äss by different guys every night like his mother did for the past 20 years, but 1115 can’t even get laid ….. so their goes his theory right down the toilet along with his dead gerbil.

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