Chevrolet stops shipment of manually equipped Camaro SS models for gearbox issue
07/14/2009, 9:44 AM
By Drew Johnson
The 2010 Chevrolet Camaro is already in short supply, but those wanting a manually equipped SS model will have to wait even longer. Chevrolet has officially stopped shipment on manual Camaro SS models due to a problem with the car’s six-speed gearbox.
General Motors has yet to reveal what the actual problem is, but the issue is reportedly linked to the gearbox’s output shaft. We asked Adam Denison, head of Camaro PR, about the problem, and this is what he had to say:
“Our engineering team is reviewing data related to the performance of the manual transmission on the Camaro SS and has temporarily stopped shipment of this model. This only impacts Camaro SS models with manual transmission. Camaro SS with automatic transmission, and Camaro LS and LT models are not affected and will continue to be shipped to dealers. We’re working closely with our dealer network to minimize any inconveniences this may cause for the customers.”
Hopefully GM can come up with a solution rather quickly for the problem, but it remains to be seen if the defect will give the best-selling pony car a black eye. The Camaro is GM’s hottest selling model and has already been involved in one recall. And with the 2010 Ford Mustang and new Dodge Challenger on the block, pony car buyers have plenty of alternatives.



07/14, 9:55 AM
posted by:
Fx NauGhtY
easy solution put a sequential gear box in the damn thing this was its both auto and stick and it will be faster than a manual gear box
07/14, 9:58 AM
posted by:
2WheeledSpeed
Are they having these issues because maybe they rushed to get this car out? I don’t know, only speculating. I’d be mad if I was in the market for one of these, there is no way in heck I would buy an automatic equipped sports car…
07/14, 9:59 AM
posted by:
idrinorbarsaku
LMFAO!!!!! Thats what you get for getting a GM POS!
07/14, 10:04 AM
posted by:
Fx NauGhtY
I personally would never go for a manual , city driving is a killer the way to go is sequential manual gearbox this is the future of the auto industries ford already promise all its car in the future will have it, faster shifting and as efficient as a manual almost all of the true sports car have em.
07/14, 10:18 AM
posted by:
Ketzer
2Wheel,
Rushed to get out? Are you kidding? Dude, I don’t think four years is much of a rush.
Really confusing when you already have a bullet proof, industry standard T56 that works in everything… oh, wait, that would have cost an extra 37 cents per unit….
07/14, 10:19 AM
posted by:
Bankruptcy2009
On Sunday with the Showroom closed I saw an RS and a SS model on the Sales Floor peeking through the window. Even though I am no GM Fan. The car looks decent;however, GM instead of making fun of GM like I usually do . They need to get their quality in order so stopping it now is the best thing. I mean lets put it this way. Boeing Stop the production plans for the mostly Compsite 787 because of a Structure issue with its wing box. The fact of the matter is that putting it off another year for delivery is the absolute smartest thing and even moral thing to do-especially when you can not have compromise of passenger safety when your flying at 42,000 Ft! I don’t want that Wing to come unglued from the Fuselage and kill me along with everyone else aboard because an engineer decided the Wing could not take less than normal or slight more than normal stress under varying circumstance. Glad that the FAA is mandating such requirements. Even if Boeing loses order it retains its soul and integrity. I am a Ford and even Import guy by nature, but GM is doing the right thing by stopping the Camaro until the problem is fixed
07/14, 10:27 AM
posted by:
bauer100
form a concept in Januaray 2006 to production in spring 2009 is pretty fast.
07/14, 10:27 AM
posted by:
jdasch1
Probably a supplier problem with a heat treating issue with the output shaft. Stop ship will stop the tow bills and warped cases. manual tranny’s are a minor part of this vehicles volume.
07/14, 10:34 AM
posted by:
2WheeledSpeed
Only speculation Ketzer, maybe they cheaped out? I don’t know, we’ll have to wait until they tell us what the issue is.
And I’d still never buy an auto-equipped sports car, and those silly semi-automatic transmissions? They’re for posers who want to pretend they know what a clutch is. It makes more sense to just let the cars computer do the work at that point. I can use a clutch, and I’m good at it, and I enjoy it. But to each his own…
07/14, 10:36 AM
posted by:
idrinorbarsaku
yeah right, always blame the supplier! Its all quality control! If you have ever worked in a job producing stuff, you would know!
07/14, 10:46 AM
posted by:
leftwingagenda
city driving does get annoying with a stick, but for a sports car a manual provides the most fun because it’s more involving…shifting well takes at least a little skill, hitting paddles doesn’t…get your sequential gearbox for your commuter car, or full auto, even, nobody would begrudge you that…but for a car like a retro pony car, i’d have to have the stick…imo its just more fun…
07/14, 10:59 AM
posted by:
llt21
LMFAO This is the funniest thing ever. GM can’t build anything right. After 50 BILLION and 3+ years working on this car just to have it fail TWICE within TWO months of going on sale. At this rate we will have a recall for the 2010 Camaro in September.
Does anyone know if this is the first time ever GM has offered a manually equipped vehicle?? LMFAO Maybe they should call Chrylser or Ford to help design and assembly their vehicles. Better yet the Government can give them ANOTHER 50 BILLION for the research and design of MANUAL TRANSMISSIONS . LOL Like the article said ” Hopefully GM can come up with a solution rather quickly for the problem”.
Thanks GM keep it up
07/14, 10:59 AM
posted by:
llt21
bauer100
we know the camaro concept debut in Jan 2006 and production started in spring 2009. But in January 2006 the car was complete. The concept car and todays car only change bout 10 percent if that.
Thanks GM keep it up
07/14, 11:01 AM
posted by:
idrinorbarsaku
llt21,
and apparently, they still couldn’t get it right!
07/14, 11:13 AM
posted by:
Stinky007
So, let me ask this: they tested the car for 4 goddamn years and now they realize they have a problem with the gearbox?! What the hell did they test until now, the cup-holders!?!?!?!?!
07/14, 11:17 AM
posted by:
sj79
This is a problem with Tremec. Tremec has to get it corrected. They ship the trannies to GM for installation. GM doesn’t make the transmission. Obviously something went wrong in the production process or Tremec changed something that compromised durability.
“yeah right, always blame the supplier! Its all quality control! If you have ever worked in a job producing stuff, you would know!”
You cannot do QC to check durability on an assembly line. USe common sense. If this problem occurs after a hard launch how can QC at the factory detect the problem? Just be quiet.
07/14, 11:20 AM
posted by:
sj79
Isnt this the kind of aggressive quality control that Toyota is praised for? I’m confused why people would be mad about them trying to fix this issue ASAP before more cars get into consumers hands.
Those cracking on GM’s quality should note Insideline.com has a 370Z that just got towed because the gearbox got stuck. These issues are not unique to GM folks.
07/14, 11:24 AM
posted by:
bcjohnso99
idrinorbarsaku,
“yeah right, always blame the supplier! Its all quality control! If you have ever worked in a job producing stuff, you would know!”
The problem is in a Tremec tranny, so yes it is a supplier’s issue.
The problem only occurs in hard launches. Are you suggesting they test hard launches with the cars coming of the line before shipping them to customers? If so, then I hope I don’t but any products you produse.
07/14, 11:24 AM
posted by:
Fx NauGhtY
some of u are idiots really a sequential gear box is both auto and manual it act just a manual without the clutch and it can work like an auto morons!..if you don’t know how it works look it up..and mark my words all the cars in the future will carry it its just a matter of time and cost reduction.
07/14, 11:33 AM
posted by:
idrinorbarsaku
how fncking hard is it to test the damn car before?? Its not like the problem is only on a few of them! It is quality control! They should test their cars that they are producing before it comes out, not leave it for the buyers! It might be the tranny’s manufacturers fault, but to say that it is not a problem due to quality control is just retarded!
07/14, 11:35 AM
posted by:
A.J.
Guess what? This is NOT (gasp) an issue with GM. This is a supplier issue – the transmission was not developed by GM, but by Tremec.
The cars they tested for four years weren’t in mass production like the ones now. There weren’t that many of them. You can’t expect the factory to hard launch every single Camaro that comes off the line (but that would be an AWESOME job).
Once again, (gasp) this is the supplier’s issue.
07/14, 11:38 AM
posted by:
leftwingagenda
idrinorbarasku – here’s the issue, dude, it’s not black and white…if a problem occurs with say 5% of the transmissions out there (which may be enough to warrant a recall) then you won’t see it occur often enough to know it’s a problem until hundreds to thousands are built…it’s a problem of statistics…sure you can “test the damn car before”, but until you build a few thousand you wouldn’t have the stats to know where the problem areas are…
some of you guys really have no idea how stuff is produced, do you…you expect that testing the car in small volumes could reveal this? lulz…
07/14, 11:46 AM
posted by:
johnnycanuck
sj79, thanks, that pretty much sums it up.
Fx, quit wasting your breath. Any setup that does not include a third pedal on the floor simply will not cut it for those of us who like to row it ourselves. Yeah, we’re all dinosaurs who refuse to get on board with the latest and greatest and quite frankly we don’t give a sh*t about milking the last 10th of a second out of what we drive. Now go back to your video games and be the hero we all know you are.
07/14, 11:47 AM
posted by:
murphy1
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
07/14, 11:52 AM
posted by:
idrinorbarsaku
you are way more than welcome to keep on making excuses about them, the fact is that because of this problem, they have to remove the manual from their list, for now at least. If it was a small case like you said(5%) they wouldn’t need to completely remove that option, unless they plan on stop it’s availability until they fix everything.
07/14, 11:54 AM
posted by:
idrinorbarsaku
and for the manual thing, I don’t believe that option will go away for a very long time! There are way too many people who enjoy driving them. And in some cars, the manual aspect of the car makes the car what it is!
07/14, 11:57 AM
posted by:
idrinorbarsaku
“until you build a few thousand you wouldn’t have the stats to know where the problem areas are…” This definitely makes sense, but you have to at least think of why they didn’t fully test the car before hand. Its not like the engine or tranny got swapped at the absolute last day before production.
07/14, 11:59 AM
posted by:
ayrtonJ
Why isn’t NMOFGM commenting on his beloved GM now?
Isn’t it his patriotic duty or does he have selective patriotism?
07/14, 12:09 PM
posted by:
llt21
bcjohnso99,
“The problem is in a Tremec tranny, so yes it is a supplier’s issue.”
If someone buys a 2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS from GM and experience this issue with their manual transmission, they should take it to the Tremec factory for repair. NO Every part that fails on that car is the responsibility of GM and everyone here knows that but you and A.J. If you really think it isn’t GM fault then why did Chevrolet “officially stopped shipment on manual Camaro SS models due to a problem with the car’s six-speed gearbox.”
Thanks GM keep it up
07/14, 12:10 PM
posted by:
iluvamcars
idrinorbarsaku- You are just like 1115 with your views on the American automakers.
07/14, 12:14 PM
posted by:
idrinorbarsaku
no trust me, I’m definitely not! I love ford, and I really enjoy some of the gm vehicles. It just bugs me to see them doing worse, or so it seems, when now would have been the perfect time to take advantage of the other companies.
I agree with llt21’s last comment.
07/14, 12:17 PM
posted by:
Borat
FX, sequential is the Achilles heal of VW. Read review of any respectable car publication, and it is clear that sequential, albeit great for racing, does not cut in the real world. Better yet, test drive VW with one. Of course, if 3 pedals are not your thing, then there is absolution in “speed of operation of sequential”. Well, it is true only to a point: sequential can change from 5th to 4th faster then I can, but from 5th to 2nd or 6th to 3rd – I’ll beat it every day of the week. And since I am not driving on the oval all day long, downshifts of 2-3 gears are common for me.
and there is hardly heavier traffic then in Manhattan.
In a city traffic I do prefer automatic, only when I am stuck in it already
07/14, 12:19 PM
posted by:
2WheeledSpeed
Fx, I’ve driven manuals my entire life. I KNOW what a manual transmission is, and I KNOW what a semi-automatic transmission is (Having driven an Audi with one, and I hated it). Now I am not against automatics, and I don’t think manual is for everyone. But a semi-automatic transmission is just plain silly, and it is NOT anything close to a manual no matter what you think (I suspect you’ve never driven a real manual?), it’s simply a gimmick for people who can’t or won’t drive a real manual but want to pretend they do. If you’re at the point where the car and computer is doing basically all the real work for you, and all you do is tap a pedal before the needle gets to the redline… Why not let the computer do ALL the work?
07/14, 12:25 PM
posted by:
CADDY-V
Gm stopped shipment because they sell a finished product. The gearbox could not have a problem if it just sat in a box and put on a table. Only until GM put that gearbox in a car and it got used was there a problem.
See Joe 6 pack customer sees a chevy logo on a car and when something goes wrong GM get’s the blame, but just like most auto companies they don’t make all their own parts. So there is always a chance there can be a problem that’s not in house.
Example: if I buy a tv with company “X’ name on it but Sony is the company that makes it but company “X’ put’s it’s name on it. If the tv fu*ks up is it company “X” fault are Sony who makes the tv?
Answer: It’s Sonys fault but the company with the name on the tv get’s the sh*t for it.
07/14, 12:25 PM
posted by:
BAD124
“Why isn’t NMOFGM commenting on his beloved GM now?
Isn’t it his patriotic duty or does he have selective patriotism?”
Oh you didnt hear? NMOFGM had a fight with his grandma and she kicked him out of the basement…
07/14, 12:25 PM
posted by:
idrinorbarsaku
a semiautomatic will be just that, a “gimmick for people who can’t or won’t drive a real manual but want to pretend they do”. Until all advantages of a manual are trumped by a dsg or similar type tranny, the manual will have the advantage.
07/14, 12:25 PM
posted by:
CADDY-V
^^^^ That is for llt21
07/14, 12:28 PM
posted by:
idrinorbarsaku
I think LLN should post a new topic on dsg/manual trannys so we dont hijack this post from the worthless camaro!
07/14, 12:38 PM
posted by:
Rafa LL
Bumblebee just got some Raid underneath huh?
07/14, 12:38 PM
posted by:
Dante_JoseCuervo
oh NMOFGM, where did you go?
07/14, 12:39 PM
posted by:
mulletmaster
I rather have a third pedal and a clutch than some sort of electronic brain, that I am sure will crap out and be expensive, do the shifting for me. I would take tried and true, and in this case simpler, over the “latest and greatest” paddle shift slusher.
07/14, 12:50 PM
posted by:
A4
It doesnt even sound like theres a serious issue, it says a performance issue – the gearshifts are probably clunky and a little vague, so they want to improve it so it isnt like shifting an 18 wheeler.
07/14, 12:55 PM
posted by:
Fx NauGhtY
wow u guys amaze me really I think some of u are getting confuse with tip-tronic and seq man gearbox it can shift just like a manual without the computer controlling it…do some research the fastest production car in the world has it.
07/14, 1:02 PM
posted by:
tripleonefive
THe New GM people
07/14, 1:04 PM
posted by:
mulletmaster
well tiptronic or sequential manual what physically makes the transmission shift. Yes I know one has a torque converter and one has a clutch, but what makes them do what they are supposed to.
07/14, 1:12 PM
posted by:
Fx NauGhtY
2 choice human input or computer all bikes have a sequential manual gearbox & sequential manual is different than tiptronic
07/14, 1:13 PM
posted by:
tripleonefive
SJ 79 Isnt this the kind of aggressive quality control that Toyota is praised for? I’m confused why people would be mad about them trying to fix this issue ASAP before more cars get into consumers hands.
–Toyota gets these issues on the assembly line. Its called “Kaizen” Look it up
07/14, 1:29 PM
posted by:
slider5634
“some of u are idiots really a sequential gear box is both auto and manual it act just a manual without the clutch and it can work like an auto morons!..if you don’t know how it works look it up..and mark my words all the cars in the future will carry it its just a matter of time and cost reduction.”
I understand perfectly how the tech works. I’ve followed VW’s DSG tech since it started. While I think it’s an awesome idea and works wonderfully, I’ll never own one. It simply just not for me. If I don’t have the third pedal to work with, I won’t look at it. It just takes something away from the experience when you start giving the computer more responsibility and start taking it away from the driver.
07/14, 1:30 PM
posted by:
GT_R BOY
Need oil to GM
Wow that so funny.Bulletproof quality?I can’t stop laughing.
07/14, 1:44 PM
posted by:
strongbad
Initially, I was going to blast Fx NauGhty on this sequential gearbox thing… but then I realized that I haven’t used the clutch on my motorcycle for years, except to downshift. I would hate to have to use the clutch. So on a car, I guess you would still need a clutch pedal, and you could use it if you wanted to, but there is the option to NOT use it by lifting off the gas for a split second to shift. There are also ‘quick shifters’ that can detect movement in the shifter and cut the ignition briefly, this allowing ‘no lift shifts’, or WOT motorcycle shifts.
Yes, you can’t go from 4th to 2nd, but on a motorcycle, you can go down two gears while braking for the turn no problem. I don’t race cars, so I am not sure if that would be possible or undesirable in a car??
Anyway, Tremec’s fault, no big deal. They fix it, problem solved. Its when cars start to fall apart over time, panels vibrating, trim coming off, etc. over time that really bothers me when it comes to quality.
07/14, 2:21 PM
posted by:
sj79
“THe New GM people”
This car wasnt developed by the NEW GM you idiot.
Toyota just recalled 78k cars last week. Toyota catches issues at the factory? really? Shut up.
07/14, 2:24 PM
posted by:
sj79
“If someone buys a 2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS from GM and experience this issue with their manual transmission, they should take it to the Tremec factory for repair. NO Every part that fails on that car is the responsibility of GM and everyone here knows that but you and A.J. If you really think it isn’t GM fault then why did Chevrolet “officially stopped shipment on manual Camaro SS models due to a problem with the car’s six-speed gearbox.”
Chevy’s warranty has to cover everything in the vehicle and Chevy looks bad if a supplier’s tranny has an issue. Its in Chevy’s interest to stop shipment until the issue is corrected. That doesnt mean GM is responsible for causing the problem. BAsed on what other sites are saying this issue has happened on a few SS models. Its not widespread at all.
07/14, 2:43 PM
posted by:
tripleonefive
This car wasnt developed by the NEW GM you idiot.
___Excuses excuses Whether it was developed by the New GM or the old GM and when I say that Im not talking about that banlruptciy bull**** Im talking about the “new ” GM vehicles that are supossed to be equal to Toyota and Honda in quaility”
I know you are going to dance around the subject but Im not going to rest until you admit you were outclasses much like GM and Ford are outclassed by Toyota and Honda You will have no choice but to shut up Time is running out on you SJ
If there was a 78k recall for Toyota Im sure will appear on this site and Im sure you will be all over it BUT right now you have to deal with this recall and the cheap interior of the SRX
Kaizen look it up
07/14, 2:44 PM
posted by:
SomeGreek
This gearbox thing is absolutely ridiculous. Has this ever happen to any other company? Canceling an option cause it does work very well? Suppliers problems my a$$!! That sort of consumers additude is what brought your companies to their knees, people. And you still excuse them? Making cars for stupid consumers results on the crap they build for you.
07/14, 2:45 PM
posted by:
tripleonefive
Chevy’s warranty has to cover everything in the vehicle and Chevy looks bad “if a supplier’s tranny” has an issue.
—-HAHA To see you squirm and now blame it on the supplier is great
07/14, 2:49 PM
posted by:
A4
^I dont see a single toyota smoking its rear tires like the car in this stock photo. hell, even a Genesis can do it.
07/14, 2:50 PM
posted by:
A4
unless youre a queer and like to do brake stands with your tundra.
07/14, 2:57 PM
posted by:
llt21
I can i already hear the excuses why Mustang outsold the Camaro in sales for July. The Camaro guys will bring this up as an excuse.
07/14, 3:17 PM
posted by:
bauer100
yeah, they had a production ready car in 2006. whatever.
07/14, 3:45 PM
posted by:
exmayol
I love how MT people bash on AT folks. There is nothing wrong with having a slush box yet being able to select gears. Just a little more control over things yet without a need for additional footwork. No one in the healthy state of mind would think they are somehow driving a car with MT by doing that.
07/14, 3:47 PM
posted by:
Click Here
LMAO…. I wonder what NMOFGM have to say about this reliability of GM.
07/14, 3:50 PM
posted by:
sj79
“This gearbox thing is absolutely ridiculous. Has this ever happen to any other company? ”
Ask nIssan since the 370z has a tranny that gets stuck and requires a tow to the dealer. Ask edmunds if you have doubts. Their GTR also had a fuel leak and tranny problems that left the car out of service for days.
I hope GM didnt outsource any trannies to Honda considering what happened with 1115’s Cl back in the day.
How is it not the supplier’s fault if they provided the tranny? Can 1115 or anyone else explain?
If these cars could last 60k miles like 1115s TL I would be more impressed. Then again, that Honda quality is so hard to emulate.
07/14, 3:57 PM
posted by:
parts guy
Not to make excuses for GM on this, but much of the testing when the vehicle was in the development stage was done using parts that were not off of the production assembly tools. This means that while the parts may meet the specifications GM was looking for, they were produced in small batches. Once the cars went through the manufacturing validation builds (in the months before start of regular production), they should have been able to catch this because all of the components should have been required to have been manufactured using production tools. Shame on GM (and the supplier) for missing it, but it may have been due to a last minute change or something.
Hot car. Lets see if GM can follow up with continuous improvement to guarantee exceptional customer ownership experience. That is what it will take to prove to 1115 and others that GM is worthy of serious consideration.
07/14, 4:18 PM
posted by:
worst 3
this is not that uncommon for the new models to have problems like this, especial cars with a lot of HP, that why you should always wait a year. this is partly GM fault but it not completely there fault and not because there a horrible company. the supplier shipped a few bad transitions and gm did not catch them but are trying to fix the situation instead of let it continue, if they were not that would be a much bigger problem.
and a tiptronic or sequential is just not the same the third pedal is what makes it fun, if you want to drive auto fine but there a difference. and driving a manual in traffic never bothered me don’t really think about shifting.
07/14, 4:33 PM
posted by:
Need more oil four GM
hahahhahaha, jap crap.
07/14, 4:37 PM
posted by:
tripleonefive
SJ you are not a man until you stop bull****ting and admit your defeat
07/14, 4:40 PM
posted by:
tripleonefive
You can tak about whatver transmissions you want but until you admit you are defeated or not a man Im going to be here to remind you
Is it a TL or a CL ? Getting confused
Once you admit you are not a man or defeat then you can show a link to the Fit Pilot ALG and show the supposed CL or TL trans posting
07/14, 4:50 PM
posted by:
The Tuga
/me cracks itself up
this was the laugh of the day for me
cant even make a shifter with more than 5 speeds…i mean, you guys have 5 more fingers on your other hand, you can use those to count as well..
THE CAMARO!!!
what a wonderfull idea it was to bring it back!!
i think so too..i do prefer the challenger, the knight rider look just isn’t my thing…but that was a coll idea
sometime later…the “Transformers” movie premiers, autobots and ****. And there it is, it´s alive.
someone stated it changed less then 10% from concept to production.
We had to endure 4 years of teasers, reveals, incomplete reviews and the oh so painfull 100th show at every backroad car expo!
i don´t know if i would buy a car that in the waiting period did not improve or change…
then in those 5 years in wich they only worked on it 10% of the time, instead of paying some nerds to do the job for them, they just decide a manual shifter that works isn´t necessary, because of course, the only driving this car needs to do is dealt with buy releasing the hand brake and be pushed on stage buy 4 apeish man
07/14, 5:29 PM
posted by:
A.J.
But let’s see here…this doesn’t affect the manual or automatic V6s, or the automatic SSs.
Yes, I’m defending GM by saying that it’s a supplier issue (which it is), but it’s not like I’m saying that they’re the best auto company in the world. Of course they have their share of screwups and problems. While they should have caught this issue, (like I said) it’s not like they’re able to hard launch every single Camaro SS manual that comes off of the line.
It’s not like there’s 100K Camaro SS MTs on the road with this problem…I’d gladly take a paddle-shifter slushbox over a manual anyway!
07/14, 6:27 PM
posted by:
MHW
An early production first year model has a few issues! Unheard of! The world must be coming to an end! Please get a life folks, GM is not the only manufacturer that deals with problems. In fact a quick google search will reveal problems from any and every manufacturer in the business. We hear many of the GM stories at Leftlane since they clearly use GMinsidenews as a source. Make no mistake, just because your favored brand is not being talked about does not mean that they don’t have issues of their own.
07/14, 6:30 PM
posted by:
Stix
If this happened to the automatic version of the Camaro SS, I don’t think anybody would give a damn.
Even then, I wouldn’t want to buy one just for city driving.
07/14, 7:24 PM
posted by:
zoomzoomer
Where is Need More GEAR Oil For GM??
07/14, 7:41 PM
posted by:
BimjobRimjob
Interesting. The tranny (T-6060…correct me if I’m wrong) is the same one that is used in a multitude of performance cars, such as the viper, vette, and cts-v, among others. I haven’t heard of any significant issues with those transmissions, so it sounds like when Tremec geared up for higher production, a bad batch got out. Good that GM took notice after little more than a couple posts on a forum regarding the issue though.
07/14, 8:03 PM
posted by:
A.B.inPennsylvania
The new Camaro seems like nothing more than typical GM garbage. I’m sorry Mr. NMOFGM, but there is no way GM will ever be #1 again with inferior products like the Camaro.
07/14, 8:50 PM
posted by:
A.J.
MHW – great PR! I happen to be a member of GMI, which is where I get all my information.
Good or bad, I’m glad that GM caught this now and not the NHTSA later when 100K units are on the road. This can be fixed quickly and production can restart. But, I’m wondering what sort of heat Tremec is in right now…
07/14, 8:50 PM
posted by:
Architect
A.B.inPennsylvania – the transmission problem notwithstanding, there is very little basis (in fact, none at all) to call the Camaro garbage. Industry reviews and sales indicate otherwise, regardless of your opinion.
07/14, 9:42 PM
posted by:
NRG
GM quality at work again. Nice to see that the new GM is not much better than the old GM. Where’s Need More Koolaid for GM’s comment? I see he is conspicuously absent from this discussion. HMMMM. I wonder why? LMAO Mr Koolaid.
07/14, 10:53 PM
posted by:
tyler_is_aero_tt
So much for NMOFGM’s claimed superior Gm quality.
07/14, 11:02 PM
posted by:
desertdriver
After years of delay, GM still couldn’t get the manual transmission right?!?!
07/14, 11:26 PM
posted by:
MHW
destertdriver, the Camaro went from concept to reality in a relatively short time. Also GM does not make the transmission, Tremec does. And to the rest of you that keep giving NMOFGM air time need to move on. Do you really think a real GM fan would even use a name like that? He is simply a troll that is seeking attention and you guys keep giving it to him.
07/14, 11:35 PM
posted by:
elviososa
So…the new GM is just the old GM after all.
07/15, 12:57 AM
posted by:
moto-nut
GM is just driving me crazy… I fianlly saw a new camaro at the dealer a few weeks ago and the passenger side pillar was broken/sagging. You could see the wiring harness in full view through the windsheild. What kind of company hipes a car like this and turns this kind of crap out? GM had a chance to refocus with the release of this car and they appear to be failing.
07/15, 3:21 AM
posted by:
SomeGreek
worst 3 A.J. MHW are you guys GM dealers?
“An early production first year model has a few issues! Unheard of! The world must be coming to an end! Please get a…”
Issues MHW? Issues?? When a car has issues it gets a recall. In this case they removed the manual option from the options list! Few faulty transmisions? WAKE THE F UP! They removed the whole thing. It’s production has stopped! They don’t put it on their car anymore! Cause the damn gearbox doesn’t work. It was not a faulty item it was THE WRONG item! A bad decision or lack of testing or the irresponsible accept of a part that eventually proved not to be the one…
Is it the supplier’s fault for having an item on the car that doesn’t work? ALL companies have suppliers. NONE had to cancel the production of a transmision option!
07/15, 6:48 AM
posted by:
A.J.
I’m not a dealer. I’m an insider.
I’m not saying that it’s completely the supplier’s fault. While, yes, GM should of caught this issue from the start (bash quality, bash reliability, etc), Tremec also supplies manual transmissions for the Dodge Viper, Shelby GT500, and the Chevrolet Corvette Z06. Have you ever thought that those three cars aren’t produced in the quantities that the Camaro is? There is NOTHING GM could have done to prevent this.
Tremec supplied a bad batch of transmissions. The issue will get resolved, and production will resume as normal. It is inconvienient, but it’s not the end of the freaking world.
07/15, 7:28 AM
posted by:
scratchy
so , the Mustang is still the best muscular car ?
07/15, 8:27 AM
posted by:
SomeGreek
A.J. it’s not the end of the world, but it’s defenitely humiliating for GM. And yes there is something they could have done. Test extensively the first cars that come out of the assemply line, find the problem before the car hit the market and not offer the manual option from the begining. All the civilized companies present variations of engines and transimions gradually, after the presenation of the car. Why Chevrolet had to hurry? And of corse it’s a sign of negligence not incombidence…
07/15, 11:00 AM
posted by:
idrinorbarsaku
SomeGreek,
+1
07/15, 11:09 AM
posted by:
A.J.
SomeGreek, after looking over the situation (and my dignity), I agree with you. But in the same breath, GM needed a moneymaker fast and the Camaro was it. I’m not sure there would be as many orders if the SS was only offered in an automatic.
Like I said before, it was better to find this out now and not in two years when there are 100K units on the road.
07/15, 11:31 AM
posted by:
dAVE mAN
A4: “unless youre a queer and like to do brake stands with your tundra.”
^ I’ll come out of lurking to say that’s the funniest thing I’ve read in these comments for a while.
And I would like to say that yes, a lot of the people here do not understand that a “manumatic” (such as Tiptronic, an auto you can pretend is a manual), a true semi-auto, and sequential are very different things. My 3.5 Altima has a manumatic, lots of AT equipped cars and SUVs have this feature. Formula One cars use semi-autos. Semi-autos are better than manual transmissions from a high-performance standpoint (though, MT purists are sure to disagree). And a sequential trans is a whole different concept. Read about the three on wikipedia.
MTs are just a matter of preference at this point.
07/15, 1:22 PM
posted by:
sj79
In the long run this is not going to matter. GM is addressing the problem early before too many buyers get cars to limit long term damage. They are doing the right thing and I’m sure this will be resolved soon. Most buyers will be getting the auto anyway. Even the majority of Vettes are sold with autos.
07/15, 2:54 PM
posted by:
tripleonefive
SJ79 “Post a link to ONE review of the 2010 SRX (or 2007 for that matter) that claims the vehicle has hard plastics. Just ONE. Thats all that I ask.”
http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/new_cars/4323555.html
sj79 “The Pop mechanics article seems to be biased against the SRX from the start”
sj79 “I was talking about was the dashboard or other areas that consumers touch.”
07/15, 4:09 PM
posted by:
sj79
http://blogs.edmunds.com/roadtests/2009/07/2009-nissan-370z-transmission-replacement.html
Enough said triple on stupid. I await your excuses. The 370Z is 100% Japanese and the tranny didnt last 15k miles. Sweet.
07/15, 6:04 PM
posted by:
aggie531
Make: CADILLAC Model: CTS
Model Year: 2009
Manufacturer: GENERAL MOTORS CORP. Mfr’s Report Date: NOV 05, 2008
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 08V582000
N/A
NHTSA Action Number: N/A
Component: AIR BAGS:FRONTAL
Potential Number of Units Affected: 12662
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 08V582000
Summary:
GM IS RECALLING 12,662 MY 2009 CADILLAC CTS VEHICLES FOR FAILING TO CONFORM TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF FEDERAL MOTOR VEHICLE SAFETY STANDARD NO. 208, ‘OCCUPANT CRASH PROTECTION.’ UNDER CERTAIN CONDITIONS, A SOFTWARE CONDITION WITHIN THE PASSENGER SENSING SYSTEM MAY DISABLE THE FRONT PASSENGER AIR BAG WHEN IT SHOULD BE ENABLED OR ENABLE IT WHEN IT SHOULD BE DISABLED.
Consequence:
IN A VEHICLE CRASH, IF THE FRONT PASSENGER AIR BAG DOES NOT OPERATE AS DESIGNED, INCREASED PERSONAL INJURY COULD OCCUR.
Remedy:
DEALERS WILL REPROGRAM THE PASSENGER SENSING SYSTEM MODULE FREE OF CHARGE. THE RECALL BEGAN ON NOVEMBER 18, 2008. OWNERS MAY CONTACT CADILLAC AT 1-866-982-2339 OR THROUGH THEIR WEBSITE AT HTTP://WWW.GMOWNERCENTER.COM .
Notes:
GM RECALL NO. 08373. CUSTOMERS MAY ALSO CONTACT THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION’S VEHICLE SAFETY HOTLINE AT 1-888-327-4236 (TTY 1-800-424-9153), OR GO TO HTTP://WWW.SAFERCAR.GOV .
Vehicle Make / Model: Model Year(s):
INFINITI / EX35 2008
NISSAN / MURANO 2009
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 08V066000
Summary:
NISSAN IS RECALLING 16,365 MY 2008 INFINITI EX35 AND MY 2009 NISSAN MURANO VEHICLES. DUE TO INCORRECT SOFTWARE PROGRAMMING, THE AIR BAG CONTROL UNIT (ACU) MAY CAUSE THE PASSENGER AIR BAG NOT TO OPERATE AS DESIGNED IF THE VEHICLE BATTERY BECOMES SIGNIFICANTLY DISCHARGED.
Consequence:
THIS COULD RESULT IN THE PASSENGER AIR BAG NOT INFLATING IN A CRASH IN WHICH IT WAS DESIGNED TO DO SO, AND INCREASING THE RISK OF INJURY.
Remedy:
DEALERS WILL REPROGRAM THE ACU IN AFFECTED VEHICLES. THE RECALL BEGAN ON FEBRUARY 19, 2008. OWNERS MAY CONTACT INFINITI AT 1-800-662-6200 OR NISSAN AT 1-800-647-7261.
Notes:
NISSAN RECALL NO. P8201. CUSTOMERS MAY ALSO CONTACT THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION’S VEHICLE SAFETY HOTLINE AT 1-888-327-4236 (TTY 1-800-424-9153), OR GO TO HTTP://WWW.SAFERCAR.GOV.
All cars have problems. People need to stop saying that this brand has no quality problems, and that brand has a million.
07/16, 10:18 AM
posted by:
sj79
I guess that means no response from 111 on 5.
07/16, 7:21 PM
posted by:
idrinorbarsaku
all vehicle manufacturers have recalls, having one at a time when you are trying to “rename” yourself after a bankruptcy surely does not do anything but tarnish your “New GM” image! Simple as that!
07/17, 11:04 AM
posted by:
sj79
idrin:
Aside from internet car nuts who knows or cares about this? no one. lay off the hyperbole. I get that you hate GM but this is not going to derail the company. Are you saying recalls and quality issues from Toyota are more acceptable because they arent coming out of chapter 11? Considerign their entire existence is predicated on reliability I would disagree.
07/18, 12:59 PM
posted by:
Noah
Oh yea, BM has really changed. What could go wrong with a tranny that has been around for years. BM has done it again It is not like they rushed this car into production.
07/23, 11:46 PM
posted by:
tripleonefive
Enough said triple on stupid. I await your excuses. The 370Z is 100% Japanese and the tranny didnt last 15k miles. Sweet.
_ Is that a Honda or Toyota (J2) ?????? Uh no. Sweet. I and you can see your excuses below
Where is the Fit link and why is it taking you so long ????
SJ79 “Post a link to ONE review of the 2010 SRX (or 2007 for that matter) that claims the vehicle has hard plastics. Just ONE. Thats all that I ask.”
http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/new_cars/4323555.html
sj79 “The Pop mechanics article seems to be biased against the SRX from the start”
sj79 “I was talking about was the dashboard or other areas that consumers touch.”
Still after the fact and YOU ARE STILL NOT A MAN !
07/23, 11:52 PM
posted by:
tripleonefive
The 370Z is 100% Japanese
—-Once again TOO easy! I always mention Toyota and Honda and refer to them as J2
Signed on March 27, 1999, the Renault-Nissan Alliance is the first of its kind involving a Japanese and a French car manufacturerThe Renault-Nissan Alliance is much closer, in practice to Renault takeover of Nissan with Renault holding 44.3% of Nissan
You are a joke …..oh and not a man hahahaa
07/24, 3:47 PM
posted by:
tripleonefive
I guess that means no response from S on J79.