Comments on: Chevrolet stops shipment of manually equipped Camaro SS models for gearbox issue

By: tripleonefive

tripleonefive — Fri, 24 Jul 2009 19:47:37 +0000

I guess that means no response from S on J79.

By: tripleonefive

tripleonefive — Fri, 24 Jul 2009 03:52:46 +0000

The 370Z is 100% Japanese
—-Once again TOO easy! I always mention Toyota and Honda and refer to them as J2
Signed on March 27, 1999, the Renault-Nissan Alliance is the first of its kind involving a Japanese and a French car manufacturerThe Renault-Nissan Alliance is much closer, in practice to Renault takeover of Nissan with Renault holding 44.3% of Nissan
You are a joke …..oh and not a man hahahaa

By: tripleonefive

tripleonefive — Fri, 24 Jul 2009 03:46:32 +0000

Enough said triple on stupid. I await your excuses. The 370Z is 100% Japanese and the tranny didnt last 15k miles. Sweet.
_ Is that a Honda or Toyota (J2) ?????? Uh no. Sweet. I and you can see your excuses below
Where is the Fit link and why is it taking you so long ????

SJ79 “Post a link to ONE review of the 2010 SRX (or 2007 for that matter) that claims the vehicle has hard plastics. Just ONE. Thats all that I ask.”

sj79 “The Pop mechanics article seems to be biased against the SRX from the start”

sj79 “I was talking about was the dashboard or other areas that consumers touch.”

Still after the fact and YOU ARE STILL NOT A MAN !

By: Noah

Noah — Sat, 18 Jul 2009 16:59:14 +0000

Oh yea, BM has really changed. What could go wrong with a tranny that has been around for years. BM has done it again It is not like they rushed this car into production.

By: sj79

sj79 — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:04:52 +0000

idrin:

Aside from internet car nuts who knows or cares about this? no one. lay off the hyperbole. I get that you hate GM but this is not going to derail the company. Are you saying recalls and quality issues from Toyota are more acceptable because they arent coming out of chapter 11? Considerign their entire existence is predicated on reliability I would disagree.

By: idrinorbarsaku

idrinorbarsaku — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 23:21:04 +0000

all vehicle manufacturers have recalls, having one at a time when you are trying to “rename” yourself after a bankruptcy surely does not do anything but tarnish your “New GM” image! Simple as that!

By: sj79

sj79 — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:18:38 +0000

I guess that means no response from 111 on 5.

By: aggie531

aggie531 — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:04:50 +0000

Make: CADILLAC Model: CTS
Model Year: 2009
Manufacturer: GENERAL MOTORS CORP. Mfr’s Report Date: NOV 05, 2008
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 08V582000
N/A
NHTSA Action Number: N/A
Component: AIR BAGS:FRONTAL
Potential Number of Units Affected: 12662

NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 08V582000
Summary:
GM IS RECALLING 12,662 MY 2009 CADILLAC CTS VEHICLES FOR FAILING TO CONFORM TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF FEDERAL MOTOR VEHICLE SAFETY STANDARD NO. 208, ‘OCCUPANT CRASH PROTECTION.’ UNDER CERTAIN CONDITIONS, A SOFTWARE CONDITION WITHIN THE PASSENGER SENSING SYSTEM MAY DISABLE THE FRONT PASSENGER AIR BAG WHEN IT SHOULD BE ENABLED OR ENABLE IT WHEN IT SHOULD BE DISABLED.
Consequence:
IN A VEHICLE CRASH, IF THE FRONT PASSENGER AIR BAG DOES NOT OPERATE AS DESIGNED, INCREASED PERSONAL INJURY COULD OCCUR.
Remedy:
DEALERS WILL REPROGRAM THE PASSENGER SENSING SYSTEM MODULE FREE OF CHARGE. THE RECALL BEGAN ON NOVEMBER 18, 2008. OWNERS MAY CONTACT CADILLAC AT 1-866-982-2339 OR THROUGH THEIR WEBSITE AT HTTP://WWW.GMOWNERCENTER.COM .
Notes:
GM RECALL NO. 08373. CUSTOMERS MAY ALSO CONTACT THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION’S VEHICLE SAFETY HOTLINE AT 1-888-327-4236 (TTY 1-800-424-9153), OR GO TO HTTP://WWW.SAFERCAR.GOV .

Vehicle Make / Model: Model Year(s):
INFINITI / EX35 2008
NISSAN / MURANO 2009
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number: 08V066000
Summary:
NISSAN IS RECALLING 16,365 MY 2008 INFINITI EX35 AND MY 2009 NISSAN MURANO VEHICLES. DUE TO INCORRECT SOFTWARE PROGRAMMING, THE AIR BAG CONTROL UNIT (ACU) MAY CAUSE THE PASSENGER AIR BAG NOT TO OPERATE AS DESIGNED IF THE VEHICLE BATTERY BECOMES SIGNIFICANTLY DISCHARGED.
Consequence:
THIS COULD RESULT IN THE PASSENGER AIR BAG NOT INFLATING IN A CRASH IN WHICH IT WAS DESIGNED TO DO SO, AND INCREASING THE RISK OF INJURY.
Remedy:
DEALERS WILL REPROGRAM THE ACU IN AFFECTED VEHICLES. THE RECALL BEGAN ON FEBRUARY 19, 2008. OWNERS MAY CONTACT INFINITI AT 1-800-662-6200 OR NISSAN AT 1-800-647-7261.
Notes:
NISSAN RECALL NO. P8201. CUSTOMERS MAY ALSO CONTACT THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION’S VEHICLE SAFETY HOTLINE AT 1-888-327-4236 (TTY 1-800-424-9153), OR GO TO HTTP://WWW.SAFERCAR.GOV.

All cars have problems. People need to stop saying that this brand has no quality problems, and that brand has a million.

By: sj79

sj79 — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:09:36 +0000

http://blogs.edmunds.com/roadtests/2009/07/2009-nissan-370z-transmission-replacement.html

Enough said triple on stupid. I await your excuses. The 370Z is 100% Japanese and the tranny didnt last 15k miles. Sweet.

By: tripleonefive

tripleonefive — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:54:23 +0000

SJ79 “Post a link to ONE review of the 2010 SRX (or 2007 for that matter) that claims the vehicle has hard plastics. Just ONE. Thats all that I ask.”

sj79 “The Pop mechanics article seems to be biased against the SRX from the start”

sj79 “I was talking about was the dashboard or other areas that consumers touch.”

By: sj79

sj79 — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:22:24 +0000

In the long run this is not going to matter. GM is addressing the problem early before too many buyers get cars to limit long term damage. They are doing the right thing and I’m sure this will be resolved soon. Most buyers will be getting the auto anyway. Even the majority of Vettes are sold with autos.

By: dAVE mAN

dAVE mAN — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:31:47 +0000

A4: “unless youre a queer and like to do brake stands with your tundra.”

^ I’ll come out of lurking to say that’s the funniest thing I’ve read in these comments for a while.

And I would like to say that yes, a lot of the people here do not understand that a “manumatic” (such as Tiptronic, an auto you can pretend is a manual), a true semi-auto, and sequential are very different things. My 3.5 Altima has a manumatic, lots of AT equipped cars and SUVs have this feature. Formula One cars use semi-autos. Semi-autos are better than manual transmissions from a high-performance standpoint (though, MT purists are sure to disagree). And a sequential trans is a whole different concept. Read about the three on wikipedia.

MTs are just a matter of preference at this point.

By: A.J.

A.J. — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:09:05 +0000

SomeGreek, after looking over the situation (and my dignity), I agree with you. But in the same breath, GM needed a moneymaker fast and the Camaro was it. I’m not sure there would be as many orders if the SS was only offered in an automatic.

Like I said before, it was better to find this out now and not in two years when there are 100K units on the road.

By: idrinorbarsaku

idrinorbarsaku — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:00:31 +0000

SomeGreek,
+1

By: SomeGreek

SomeGreek — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 12:27:52 +0000

A.J. it’s not the end of the world, but it’s defenitely humiliating for GM. And yes there is something they could have done. Test extensively the first cars that come out of the assemply line, find the problem before the car hit the market and not offer the manual option from the begining. All the civilized companies present variations of engines and transimions gradually, after the presenation of the car. Why Chevrolet had to hurry? And of corse it’s a sign of negligence not incombidence…

By: scratchy

scratchy — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 11:28:44 +0000

so , the Mustang is still the best muscular car ?

By: A.J.

A.J. — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 10:48:43 +0000

I’m not a dealer. I’m an insider.

I’m not saying that it’s completely the supplier’s fault. While, yes, GM should of caught this issue from the start (bash quality, bash reliability, etc), Tremec also supplies manual transmissions for the Dodge Viper, Shelby GT500, and the Chevrolet Corvette Z06. Have you ever thought that those three cars aren’t produced in the quantities that the Camaro is? There is NOTHING GM could have done to prevent this.

Tremec supplied a bad batch of transmissions. The issue will get resolved, and production will resume as normal. It is inconvienient, but it’s not the end of the freaking world.

By: SomeGreek

SomeGreek — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 07:21:40 +0000

worst 3 A.J. MHW are you guys GM dealers?
“An early production first year model has a few issues! Unheard of! The world must be coming to an end! Please get a…”
Issues MHW? Issues?? When a car has issues it gets a recall. In this case they removed the manual option from the options list! Few faulty transmisions? WAKE THE F UP! They removed the whole thing. It’s production has stopped! They don’t put it on their car anymore! Cause the damn gearbox doesn’t work. It was not a faulty item it was THE WRONG item! A bad decision or lack of testing or the irresponsible accept of a part that eventually proved not to be the one…
Is it the supplier’s fault for having an item on the car that doesn’t work? ALL companies have suppliers. NONE had to cancel the production of a transmision option!

By: moto-nut

moto-nut — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 04:57:55 +0000

GM is just driving me crazy… I fianlly saw a new camaro at the dealer a few weeks ago and the passenger side pillar was broken/sagging. You could see the wiring harness in full view through the windsheild. What kind of company hipes a car like this and turns this kind of crap out? GM had a chance to refocus with the release of this car and they appear to be failing.

By: elviososa

elviososa — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 03:35:25 +0000

So…the new GM is just the old GM after all.

By: MHW

MHW — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 03:26:00 +0000

destertdriver, the Camaro went from concept to reality in a relatively short time. Also GM does not make the transmission, Tremec does. And to the rest of you that keep giving NMOFGM air time need to move on. Do you really think a real GM fan would even use a name like that? He is simply a troll that is seeking attention and you guys keep giving it to him.

By: desertdriver

desertdriver — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 03:02:10 +0000

After years of delay, GM still couldn’t get the manual transmission right?!?!

By: tyler_is_aero_tt

tyler_is_aero_tt — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 02:53:21 +0000

So much for NMOFGM’s claimed superior Gm quality.

By: NRG

NRG — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 01:42:03 +0000

GM quality at work again. Nice to see that the new GM is not much better than the old GM. Where’s Need More Koolaid for GM’s comment? I see he is conspicuously absent from this discussion. HMMMM. I wonder why? LMAO Mr Koolaid.

By: Architect

Architect — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 00:50:38 +0000

A.B.inPennsylvania – the transmission problem notwithstanding, there is very little basis (in fact, none at all) to call the Camaro garbage. Industry reviews and sales indicate otherwise, regardless of your opinion.

By: A.J.

A.J. — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 00:50:34 +0000

MHW – great PR! I happen to be a member of GMI, which is where I get all my information.

Good or bad, I’m glad that GM caught this now and not the NHTSA later when 100K units are on the road. This can be fixed quickly and production can restart. But, I’m wondering what sort of heat Tremec is in right now…

By: A.B.inPennsylvania

A.B.inPennsylvania — Wed, 15 Jul 2009 00:03:06 +0000

The new Camaro seems like nothing more than typical GM garbage. I’m sorry Mr. NMOFGM, but there is no way GM will ever be #1 again with inferior products like the Camaro.

By: BimjobRimjob

BimjobRimjob — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 23:41:40 +0000

Interesting. The tranny (T-6060…correct me if I’m wrong) is the same one that is used in a multitude of performance cars, such as the viper, vette, and cts-v, among others. I haven’t heard of any significant issues with those transmissions, so it sounds like when Tremec geared up for higher production, a bad batch got out. Good that GM took notice after little more than a couple posts on a forum regarding the issue though.

By: zoomzoomer

zoomzoomer — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 23:24:05 +0000

Where is Need More GEAR Oil For GM??

By: Stix

Stix — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:30:28 +0000

If this happened to the automatic version of the Camaro SS, I don’t think anybody would give a damn.

Even then, I wouldn’t want to buy one just for city driving.

By: MHW

MHW — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:27:48 +0000

An early production first year model has a few issues! Unheard of! The world must be coming to an end! Please get a life folks, GM is not the only manufacturer that deals with problems. In fact a quick google search will reveal problems from any and every manufacturer in the business. We hear many of the GM stories at Leftlane since they clearly use GMinsidenews as a source. Make no mistake, just because your favored brand is not being talked about does not mean that they don’t have issues of their own.

By: A.J.

A.J. — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:29:13 +0000

But let’s see here…this doesn’t affect the manual or automatic V6s, or the automatic SSs.

Yes, I’m defending GM by saying that it’s a supplier issue (which it is), but it’s not like I’m saying that they’re the best auto company in the world. Of course they have their share of screwups and problems. While they should have caught this issue, (like I said) it’s not like they’re able to hard launch every single Camaro SS manual that comes off of the line.

It’s not like there’s 100K Camaro SS MTs on the road with this problem…I’d gladly take a paddle-shifter slushbox over a manual anyway!

By: The Tuga

The Tuga — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:50:39 +0000

/me cracks itself up

this was the laugh of the day for me
cant even make a shifter with more than 5 speeds…i mean, you guys have 5 more fingers on your other hand, you can use those to count as well..

THE CAMARO!!!

what a wonderfull idea it was to bring it back!!
i think so too..i do prefer the challenger, the knight rider look just isn’t my thing…but that was a coll idea
sometime later…the “Transformers” movie premiers, autobots and shit. And there it is, it´s alive.
someone stated it changed less then 10% from concept to production.
We had to endure 4 years of teasers, reveals, incomplete reviews and the oh so painfull 100th show at every backroad car expo!
i don´t know if i would buy a car that in the waiting period did not improve or change…
then in those 5 years in wich they only worked on it 10% of the time, instead of paying some nerds to do the job for them, they just decide a manual shifter that works isn´t necessary, because of course, the only driving this car needs to do is dealt with buy releasing the hand brake and be pushed on stage buy 4 apeish man

By: tripleonefive

tripleonefive — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:40:13 +0000

You can tak about whatver transmissions you want but until you admit you are defeated or not a man Im going to be here to remind you
Is it a TL or a CL ? Getting confused
Once you admit you are not a man or defeat then you can show a link to the Fit Pilot ALG and show the supposed CL or TL trans posting

By: tripleonefive

tripleonefive — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:37:50 +0000

SJ you are not a man until you stop bullshitting and admit your defeat

By: Need more oil four GM

Need more oil four GM — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:33:25 +0000

hahahhahaha, jap crap.

By: worst 3

worst 3 — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:18:41 +0000

this is not that uncommon for the new models to have problems like this, especial cars with a lot of HP, that why you should always wait a year. this is partly GM fault but it not completely there fault and not because there a horrible company. the supplier shipped a few bad transitions and gm did not catch them but are trying to fix the situation instead of let it continue, if they were not that would be a much bigger problem.

and a tiptronic or sequential is just not the same the third pedal is what makes it fun, if you want to drive auto fine but there a difference. and driving a manual in traffic never bothered me don’t really think about shifting.

By: parts guy

parts guy — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:57:48 +0000

Not to make excuses for GM on this, but much of the testing when the vehicle was in the development stage was done using parts that were not off of the production assembly tools. This means that while the parts may meet the specifications GM was looking for, they were produced in small batches. Once the cars went through the manufacturing validation builds (in the months before start of regular production), they should have been able to catch this because all of the components should have been required to have been manufactured using production tools. Shame on GM (and the supplier) for missing it, but it may have been due to a last minute change or something.

Hot car. Lets see if GM can follow up with continuous improvement to guarantee exceptional customer ownership experience. That is what it will take to prove to 1115 and others that GM is worthy of serious consideration.

By: sj79

sj79 — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:50:13 +0000

“This gearbox thing is absolutely ridiculous. Has this ever happen to any other company? ”

Ask nIssan since the 370z has a tranny that gets stuck and requires a tow to the dealer. Ask edmunds if you have doubts. Their GTR also had a fuel leak and tranny problems that left the car out of service for days.

I hope GM didnt outsource any trannies to Honda considering what happened with 1115′s Cl back in the day.

How is it not the supplier’s fault if they provided the tranny? Can 1115 or anyone else explain?

If these cars could last 60k miles like 1115s TL I would be more impressed. Then again, that Honda quality is so hard to emulate.

By: Click Here

Click Here — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:47:19 +0000

LMAO…. I wonder what NMOFGM have to say about this reliability of GM.

By: exmayol

exmayol — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:45:28 +0000

I love how MT people bash on AT folks. There is nothing wrong with having a slush box yet being able to select gears. Just a little more control over things yet without a need for additional footwork. No one in the healthy state of mind would think they are somehow driving a car with MT by doing that.

By: bauer100

bauer100 — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:17:41 +0000

yeah, they had a production ready car in 2006. whatever.

By: llt21

llt21 — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:57:51 +0000

I can i already hear the excuses why Mustang outsold the Camaro in sales for July. The Camaro guys will bring this up as an excuse.

By: A4

A4 — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:50:31 +0000

unless youre a queer and like to do brake stands with your tundra.

By: A4

A4 — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:49:31 +0000

^I dont see a single toyota smoking its rear tires like the car in this stock photo. hell, even a Genesis can do it.