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		<title>By: EionM</title>
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		<dc:creator>EionM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 17:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Hyundai is refusing the sign over Technology and having the Chinese government own a percentage of profits made in China.&quot;
Hyundai already has three joint ventures in China, and they sell a ton of cars. All of the new Beijing taxis are Hyundais, for example. This is about Korean-made cars, not Chinese ones; I&#039;m guessing they don&#039;t sell too many of the former because of the stupid fecking import duties (sorry, I&#039;m in the market for a car at the moment and all but the smallest deathboxes in China are 3x the price they are in the US).
&quot;Own a percentage of profits made in China&quot;? That&#039;s called &quot;enterprise income tax&quot;, I think.

&quot;The reason you’ll see China within the next couple of years come out with some stunners is due to their current regulation of the car industry which in order to sell cars in China you have to be in a joint venture with the Government&quot;

According to the latest foreign investment catalogue I have, &quot;[m]anufacture of complete automobiles (including R&amp;D activities)&quot; is an encouraged activity. Based on this there does not appear to be any requirement (at least on paper) for a joint venture with any Chinese party, let alone with the government, for a foreign-invested car manufacturing plant. In general it&#039;s very unusual for a joint venture partner to have to be a state-owned enterprise (although I have seen this requirement for example in some specific areas of media distribution and telecoms).

Selling cars isn&#039;t on the restricted list either, although leasing them is (so for a dealership doing leasing, they would need to be in a joint venture with a Chinese partner, which they pretty much all are anyway). This explains why you can find even relatively obscure brands here (Spyker, for instance( if you look hard enough (and if you&#039;re willing to pay the aforementioned 3x markup and extortionate additional duties, fees for license plates, and the list goes on).

The reason GM and VW have big Chinese joint ventures is almost certainly because at the time they entered the market, foreign investors had to be in a JV. That&#039;s no longer the case in this industry, though.

The antitrust law in China only came into effect quite recently, so I&#039;d suggest reading up on it and the facts of this case before jumping to any conclusions. This wouldn&#039;t be the first time Hyundai has done something like this, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hyundai is refusing the sign over Technology and having the Chinese government own a percentage of profits made in China.&#8221;<br />
Hyundai already has three joint ventures in China, and they sell a ton of cars. All of the new Beijing taxis are Hyundais, for example. This is about Korean-made cars, not Chinese ones; I&#8217;m guessing they don&#8217;t sell too many of the former because of the stupid fecking import duties (sorry, I&#8217;m in the market for a car at the moment and all but the smallest deathboxes in China are 3x the price they are in the US).<br />
&#8220;Own a percentage of profits made in China&#8221;? That&#8217;s called &#8220;enterprise income tax&#8221;, I think.</p>
<p>&#8220;The reason you’ll see China within the next couple of years come out with some stunners is due to their current regulation of the car industry which in order to sell cars in China you have to be in a joint venture with the Government&#8221;</p>
<p>According to the latest foreign investment catalogue I have, &#8220;[m]anufacture of complete automobiles (including R&amp;D activities)&#8221; is an encouraged activity. Based on this there does not appear to be any requirement (at least on paper) for a joint venture with any Chinese party, let alone with the government, for a foreign-invested car manufacturing plant. In general it&#8217;s very unusual for a joint venture partner to have to be a state-owned enterprise (although I have seen this requirement for example in some specific areas of media distribution and telecoms).</p>
<p>Selling cars isn&#8217;t on the restricted list either, although leasing them is (so for a dealership doing leasing, they would need to be in a joint venture with a Chinese partner, which they pretty much all are anyway). This explains why you can find even relatively obscure brands here (Spyker, for instance( if you look hard enough (and if you&#8217;re willing to pay the aforementioned 3x markup and extortionate additional duties, fees for license plates, and the list goes on).</p>
<p>The reason GM and VW have big Chinese joint ventures is almost certainly because at the time they entered the market, foreign investors had to be in a JV. That&#8217;s no longer the case in this industry, though.</p>
<p>The antitrust law in China only came into effect quite recently, so I&#8217;d suggest reading up on it and the facts of this case before jumping to any conclusions. This wouldn&#8217;t be the first time Hyundai has done something like this, though.</p>
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		<title>By: sharpie</title>
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		<dc:creator>sharpie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 20:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Kun Fu Zi&quot; is Confucius for American readers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Kun Fu Zi&#8221; is Confucius for American readers.</p>
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		<title>By: elviososa</title>
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		<dc:creator>elviososa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 03:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you guys really need to dig deeper...it&#039;s not just the violations...it&#039;s a culture fight....why?? because Korean recently try to claim many Chinese Traditional Culture to be originated from Korea....One crazy claim is that &quot;Kun Fu Zi&quot; is Korean....what a mess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you guys really need to dig deeper&#8230;it&#8217;s not just the violations&#8230;it&#8217;s a culture fight&#8230;.why?? because Korean recently try to claim many Chinese Traditional Culture to be originated from Korea&#8230;.One crazy claim is that &#8220;Kun Fu Zi&#8221; is Korean&#8230;.what a mess.</p>
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		<title>By: deutschetouring1337</title>
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		<dc:creator>deutschetouring1337</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 01:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read through the lines people, Hyundai is refusing the sign over Technology and having the Chinese government own a percentage of profits made in China. The reason you&#039;ll see China within the next couple of years come out with some stunners is due to their current regulation of the car industry which in order to sell cars in China you have to be in a joint venture with the Government basically signing over certain manufacturing technologies and income. GM has done it, VAG, a number of companies have in order to get into the emerging chinese market. Gotta pay to play.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read through the lines people, Hyundai is refusing the sign over Technology and having the Chinese government own a percentage of profits made in China. The reason you&#8217;ll see China within the next couple of years come out with some stunners is due to their current regulation of the car industry which in order to sell cars in China you have to be in a joint venture with the Government basically signing over certain manufacturing technologies and income. GM has done it, VAG, a number of companies have in order to get into the emerging chinese market. Gotta pay to play.</p>
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		<title>By: moochung</title>
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		<dc:creator>moochung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 00:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geez isnt that a bit RICH of china....Anti Trust Laws...WHAT??? the country that rips of car designs from the likes of fiat and alfa (to name just 2), and they get away with that...what the fark is wrong with the laws these days...their not worth the paper their written upon.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geez isnt that a bit RICH of china&#8230;.Anti Trust Laws&#8230;WHAT??? the country that rips of car designs from the likes of fiat and alfa (to name just 2), and they get away with that&#8230;what the fark is wrong with the laws these days&#8230;their not worth the paper their written upon&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: pavlindrom</title>
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		<dc:creator>pavlindrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know China... stole my neighbor&#039;s job...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know China&#8230; stole my neighbor&#8217;s job&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mayer_ray_nagin</title>
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		<dc:creator>mayer_ray_nagin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just another move by China to restrict imports.  When it comes to international trade, China gets away with murder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just another move by China to restrict imports.  When it comes to international trade, China gets away with murder.</p>
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		<title>By: Stinky007</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stinky007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>News gets out of China really hard :p
They control their internetz :p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>News gets out of China really hard :p<br />
They control their internetz :p</p>
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		<title>By: RaineMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>RaineMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since when does China care what anyone does to make money?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since when does China care what anyone does to make money?</p>
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		<title>By: johnnycanuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnnycanuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what does &#039;backing some of its dealers through independent firms&#039; mean?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what does &#8216;backing some of its dealers through independent firms&#8217; mean?</p>
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		<title>By: A4</title>
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		<dc:creator>A4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jeeze since mid september and your just getting the story now eh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jeeze since mid september and your just getting the story now eh</p>
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		<title>By: Lariat Luxury Locomotive Liner No.3</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lariat Luxury Locomotive Liner No.3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Screw Hyundai-Kia. Vehicles for the inept and bad drivers. I say we cut one apart and take a look at how they really make one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Screw Hyundai-Kia. Vehicles for the inept and bad drivers. I say we cut one apart and take a look at how they really make one.</p>
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