It’s simple. As Americans, we don’t like things just because they’re American. We like quality, and we like capitalism That’s why so many of us are frustrated by “Made in China” toys that fall apart or poison our kids with lead paint. We buy an iPhone instead of a Nokia, not because it’s American, but because it has a superior design. On the contrary, Europeans love Nokia because of its origin. The Japanese are notorious for loving their own stuff.

But that’s what makes us different. We saw these companies produce shit for the past 15 years, and this is their reward. GM needs bankruptcy reorganization, and Chrysler needs liquidation. Ford at least had the foresight to stock up on cash years ago. In this business, you survive off of reputation. Any remaining U.S. manufacturers will need to rebuild their brand for the next decade.

We’re not living in ignorant, post-war times anymore. This is capitalism. You make a good product, or you go out of business. We don’t want an overgrown swine living off of our tax dollars.

Honda Motor Co. includes Honda and Acura automobile Marques. Honda Motor Co. numbers quoted do not include motorcycles, nor lawn mowers.

Chrysler LLC includes Chrysler, Dodge and Jeep marques.

Even when the data does not agree with our opinion we continue on with our opinions against all odds. Probably why we win the wars and persevere.

Even if their products aren’t great right now it doesn’t mean they won’t turn the corner and create an awesome generation of new cars in years to come. All companies in the auto sector go through high periods and lows. If we can get these companies back on track they can continue to employee hundreds of thousand of people (millions when taking into account suppliers) for generations to come, it doesn’t seem like much of price we have to pay to achieve this.

I guess they didn’t learn people don’t like Pacifica’s, the “next big hit”. Why not call it what it really is, a stupid “SUV” that really is a minivan? Oh wait, that’s the Durango. How well is that doing? It’s worth 25% of its original value after 3 years.

But hey, at least you get a lifetime power train warranty, which at the very least means you’ll be getting your warranty from Fiat/or the US Gov soon lol.

Doomed the day they replaced the Neon? They buried that nameplate for one reason: Neon = POS. All the ones I see on the road are accompanined by blue smoke, along with every 2 generation old Caravan as well, due to crappy head gaskets.

The majority of the Neons still running on the road are the SRT versions, and they will die too, along with the driver, when the high schoolers that buy them run them into 50+ year old oak trees.

And if Chrysler outsold Honda, is this Chrysler + Dodge + Jeep, or just Dodge? Does Honda include then Acura? What about Honda Bikes? Hell, why not include their lawn mowers?

Why not quote to me how well an Accord is doing vs. the Avenger? I think it is safe to say the Caravan beat the Odyssey.

S*** all you want on a Mini there BuyUSA; it keeps 68% of its value after 3 years, the best of any vehicle on the road, PERIOD. But I would never get one because they are overpriced to begin with and are kept that way due to low supply.

But hey, at least a Wrangler holds its value at 61%!

“I do. an ‘09 Ram 1500 and I’m also taking delivery of an ‘09 Challenger R/T this week (had to convince the wife because we originally planned on a 2010 Lacrosse.) I have owned a half dozen or so Chrysler products over the years and I can tell you they have been mostly problem free – a couple minor issues here and there (taillight assembly, warped rotors at 30k which the dealer took care of) but I have never had a “lemon” or anything close to being one. This is my second Ram and they are the most comfortable trucks I have ever sat in.”

Good for you. But Chrysler has a reputation for crap, Honda doesn’t. Civics last, Neon’s don’t. Intrepids never sold, the Accord always was around number 1 or 2 as the best selling vehicle in its class. Chrysler is set to die again, Honda will probably survive!

Honda. American Honda Motor Co., Inc., posted March 2009 vehicle sales of 88,379, a decline of 36.3% by volume compared to March 2008. Car sales were down 33.6% to 52,294 units; truck sales were down 40.4% to 33,085 units.

Honda Motor Co. said it will cut North American production further, reduce the pay of its salaried employees in North America, and for the first time, force its hourly workers to take unpaid leave, as vehicle sales continue to plunge.

Chrysler. Chrysler LLC reported March US total sales of 101,001 units—the first time since Sept. 2008 that the Company has surpassed 100,000 units—representing a 39% decrease year-on-year. Chrysler retail market share increased to an estimated 10.0 percent versus 9.9 percent in March 2008.

Chrysler’s top-seller, the Ram pickup, posted 19,328 units, down 27% year-on-year. The Caravan posted sales of 11,358, down 19%. Sales of the Jeep Wrangler climbed 16% to 10,000 units, while sales of the Dodge Journey increased 127% to 5,987 units.

I do. an ’09 Ram 1500 and I’m also taking delivery of an ’09 Challenger R/T this week (had to convince the wife because we originally planned on a 2010 Lacrosse.) I have owned a half dozen or so Chrysler products over the years and I can tell you they have been mostly problem free – a couple minor issues here and there (taillight assembly, warped rotors at 30k which the dealer took care of) but I have never had a “lemon” or anything close to being one. This is my second Ram and they are the most comfortable trucks I have ever sat in.

CanGo87: “The fact of the matter is that people in America and Canada are not buying them.”

Fact: Chrysler outsold Honda in the U.S. during the last reported sales month of March, 2009.

Fact: Chrysler is the #2 most popular carmaker in Canada, right behind GM in sales.

I don’t know where you are getting your “facts” from, but you are clearly delusional and you have no idea what the hell you are talking about.

” Warranty claims at Chrysler are at their lowest rate ever, with a 30 percent improvement in the last 12 months,”

Does not say Chrysler is a high quality brand but that there has been a big improvement.

http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/news/releases/pressrelease.aspx?ID=2008115

Now at 3 months quality Nissan is at 1.2 (also industry average) and Chrysler at 1.4. Again not a heck of a lot of difference.

Our opinion are just opinions. Data is data.

Yeah well welcome to the real world, CAW.

Your views are obviously misguided and short-sighted and stereotypical. BuyUSA has a good point in that there is good product that Chrysler has – The Ram, the Charger/Challenger/300, Jeep Wrangler, future Grand Cherokee, Grand Caravan and the Journey is a pretty good crossover for the money. True the interiors in some models suffer, but not everything is bad. Jim Press single handedly updated the interior of the Journey in the months before it was released and made the Patriot’s interior from last in 2008 to pretty nice in 2009. Given time improvement would soon occur with the rest of the lineup. Mini’s aren’t the model for great interiors if I recall with poor ergonomics everywhere. The management problems stemmed from the Germans as well, and guess from what nation who runs Mini?

do these pay cut mean more affordable cars for the buyer