Um, yeah. I would love to see the source for these “facts.”

you need to compare apples to apples fucktard

Jetta 2.5 MSRP – 16,990

Jetta GLI 2.0t MSRP – 24,300

Toyota Camry Hybrid MSRP – 25,350

You are comparing a car that is not only rated as a 5/10 on the enthusiast scale on C&D to the camry which was given the dismal 1/10 rating, but it is also almost 10 grand cheaper than the hybrid heap from jap country. The GLI on the other hand gets equal/better mileage than the 2.5l, accelerates to 60 in 6.4 seconds, and runs the 1/4 in 15.1 according to C&D. AND you dont fall asleep driving it. If you want fuel mileage, you can get a TDI which still has been cited as a more exciting driving experience than the camry. And thats any camry… at least you can choose fast and fun or fuel friendly with VW. Camrys are all just appliances with headlights. Suck on it.

By the way 2.99 is still not that cheap. How about 1.99?

As an aside, good they didn’t include the Wrangler. The fuel economy is so miserable it would offset a lot of their potential profit.

Suppose we have a Wrangler that gets 12.5 mpg combined EPA estimate. Take 12,000 / 12.5 = 960 gal, meaning this vehicle will be eligible for TWICE the allowed discounted gas in gallons (hence twice the amount of subsidy) simply because it has worse gas mileage. The reason is simply that it takes more gas for a car that has worse gas mileage (e.g. Wrangler) to go the same 12,000 miles than a more fuel efficient car. That’s why Chrysler excludes these less efficient vehicles. So for your Caliber, 480 gallons of gas are all you are going to get a discount on. Of course, I am assuming gas price is uniform across the nation, but it’s not. So someone from California will benefit more than say someone in Georgia because California has some of the highest prices in the nation.

AMGoff brought up the Tahoe/LS600h, not because they’re comparable cars, but to illustrate the “gimmickiness” of the LS600h. Buyers of the 600h aren’t buying a hybrid to save money — the payment on that car is probably 10x what it costs to fill it up in a month. The point is that those people are buying it almost exclusively for the image of driving a “Hybrid” — Lexus themselves have said that their hybrids “aren’t for people with an income. They are for people with WEALTH” (i.e. those born into money and/or retired)… “people who want their cars to make a statement about them”. These are the same people that curse someone for driving a big SUV, and think that because they’re driving some sort of “hybrid” they’re “doing their part”, but at the end of the day their car isn’t doing all that much better than an SUV. And they went and spent an extra $30,000 for a whole, AT BEST, 3mpg over a standard model. 3mpg equates to roughly $500/year — so it’d only take you 60 years to break-even on the hybrid markup, even under the best conditions where you actually saw the mileage increase.

Hence, the “gimmick”.

And, BTW, your assumption that all cars are equally unlikely to hit their EPA numbers is false. Hybrids tend to miss their EPA numbers CONSIDERABLY more than pure gasoline cars do because of the way that the Americans tend to drive (i.e. hard on the accelerator) that is in direct opposition to what makes a hybrid efficient (i.e. a deft touch). The newer EPA tests that finally better reflect actual driving habits have lessened this gap considerably (which is why the Prius took a massive 15mpg drop with the new tests), but there is still a pretty healthy difference in reality between how much gasoline and hybrid cars miss their EPA regulations in the real-world.

Real-world tests of the LS600/450 hybrid models have shown that they get virtually NO better mileage than their conventionally-powered brethren and that all the money spent on their hybrid systems is practically flushed down the drain. Hybrids certainly have their place — but heavy cars with large motors that people are actually going to drive in and tend to USE that big motor the paid for (rather than just cruise in slow-moving traffic) isn’t that place.

I’ve seen a lot of ignorant, biased little fuckers on here with unhealthy obsessions towards Japanese cars… and you’re pretty much on the level of 1115.

Here’s a tip you can use for the rest of your life son… if you can’t fully comprehend the context of something – it’s usually best to keep your mouth shut.

LOL @ Sebring 3.5L V6 doing 16.3s.. yes its a convertible, but weighs same as Camry Hybrid. Rated at 235HP, but is SLOWER.

Quick, cover your eyes!!
Observed MPG Sebring V6 = 19.6mpg
Observed MPG Camry Hybrid = 32.6mpg

You just dug yourself a hole AMGjerkoff. More like a grave.

Anyway you look at it, Camry Hyrbid kicks similar car’s ass.

Hello retard…..? What the fuck do you think this article is about?

If you’re not that other little fag, then god help us because we have another ignorant little fucker who will say and do and change the subject a thousand times rather than just shut the fuck up because he can’t admit he’s either wrong or talking about something completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=115799/pageId=98533

Again… you can post all the figures you like pal, because you’re still missing the entire point… just like someone else always does.

“Chrysler specifies a yearly fuel allotment, good for 12,000 miles based on EPA milage figures for the specific vehicle. The limitation is presumably in place to prevent customers from filling up other people’s vehicles at the (potentially) discounted rate.”

So basically what they are saying is that whatever the EPA mileage rating of the specific vehicle is the card works at the discounted price up to 12,000miles. I guess if you get a Caliber that gets a combined 25miles per gallon then technically if you get 12,000 miles and lets say a Caliber has a 10 gallon tank (not actual but just for easy calculations) 25 X 10 = 250miles used per fill up. @ discounted price and 12,000 / 250 is 48 discounted fill ups. So if someone did try and use this on another vehicle that had a larger tank, they would have less discounted fill ups, but I’m sure this will be used somewhat illegitimately. I just don’t know what other measures they could take.

If you were at all capable of basic comprehension you would understand that my point was everyone does gimmicks. But people don’t always realize a gimmick when they see it… those are the same people who scoff at a three ton Tahoe that gets 21mpg. I never said a hybrid setup can’t enhance an engine… that’s why I pointed out the Tahoe – it makes sense in a vehicle like that. BUT, when it’s applied to a vehicle like the LS, it’s absolutely a gimmick. Why? Because why the fuck would someone who can afford to spend $100K on a sedan be concerned whatsoever with gas mileage? That’s a gimmick. Some gimmicks actually have a use and pander to the working class – like this one from Chrylser… and others pander to the rich and have no use – like the LS hybrid…

Either way… don’t come on here and act as if you’ve come here to enlighten everyone to reality. Even if I did buy into mindless articles written by “auto journalists,” that would be better than buying into corporate marketing materials… you know, like some who paid x-dollars more for their 8+ year old Toyota just because it has an “L” stamped on it.

You want to wake up and smell reality? Then realize you’re nothing but of a long line of biased little import-humpers that litter this site – you’re not that special.