So?

people still bought the crossfire?

WOW….. that’s crazy

A huge move to consolidate operations, which is heartening news. Prior to this, Cerberus didn’t seem to be doing much but keeping the status quo at Chrysler.

I agree with every model being scrapped except the Magnum. It’s never been my cup of tea, but it doesn’t look bad, and I thought it was doing rather well. I see them all the time.

good riddance imo..

The Magnum and Pacifica aren’t the best ideas to scrap. Though they could both stand to get redesigned.

The Magnum needs to be a bit more versatile as a wagon, and the Pacifica just needs to be updated with better styling, more power, and more space, with less bloated styling.

I think the Pacifica has the best interior of any Chrysler product. I’m a big fan of the Magnum too, and I also see a lot of them around where I live.

Regardless, I do want to see Chrysler survive, and it’s good to see Cerberus finally taking some action.

Yeah, the Pacifica needs to be filled. Probably by a Dodge Journey derivative. The Magnum I’ll miss (baddest station wagon EVER!), but I don’t think it was selling well.

the magnum wasn’t selling well because it was crap, the hemi had potential but that is a small niche market. Regarding the rest, very good ridance, especially on the PT Cabrio, that car looked like it was going to a soapbox derby.

I agree with the exception of the Magnum They should keep that It was a great seller and has the potential to be again
I think they are going to go with mainstream models which inclede a Family sedan large sedan crossovers and minivans Anything that isnt one of those will get scrapped

Sad to see the Magnum go, I always thought it was kinda cool.
The rest I couldn’t care less.

The Journey looks like a turd BTW…

I think that’s a mistake. The Magnum is by far Dodge’s most unique product in years. I may have to spring for one down the road. They are a pretty good used car value.

maybe they’ll bring the Chrysler 300 wagon, like the one sold in Europe?

the magnum is awesome… wtf
the magnum appeals to a MUCH different market than the journey. Males will actually feel ok driving around in a low riding hemi wagon, the same cant be said for a journey.

The Crossfire never really registered with buyers, so I fully understand why it needs to go. I think I have seen two on the streets since they were introduced (both being convertibles), so I don’t think this would be a big loss. Specialty vehicles like this shouldn’t be a priority with Chrysler. They need to fix the mainstream models before worrying about niche vehicles (especially ones that don’t sell). I say this is a wise move.

The PT Cruiser convertible was an odd contrivance that never seemed to catch on with the public either. I don’t think it will be missed. I am not sure what should be done with the PT Cruiser wagon. The Chrysler brand needs to be moved upscale and if it does move upmarket, then a compact economy car really doesn’t fit in the Chrysler brand lineup. I hate to see it go, but I’m not sure what to do with it either. This car should have been reassigned to Dodge when Plymouth was eliminated. If the PT Cruiser moves to Dodge now, it will compete with the Caliber.

The Pacifica was a good idea that was poorly executed. Crossover sales are red hot now and this thing should be flying off dealer lots, but Chrysler somehow dropped the ball with this vehicle. One thing I do appreciate about it is I don’t see a carbon copy version at a Dodge dealership with a crosshair grille smacked on the front of it. I do find it disturbing that Chrysler has no competitive products in this segment while the segment is so popular with consumers. They should have competitive midsize and large crossovers on their lots ready to be snatched up by eager customers.

I like the Magnum but I don’t understand why Chrysler introduced a vehicle configuration that is not as popular with the public when they didn’t have products in segments that were growing in the market. This is one product that might have made more sense if Chrysler Corporation had other market segments nailed. It’s sad to see it go. If it frees up resources for Chrysler LLC to get it on the road to recovery, then I think it’s worth it.

I have suggestions for future cancellations:
* Sebring sedan: It’s an eyesore that just competes with the Avenger. It pulls down Chrysler’s image. I would kill the sedan but continue the convertible for now. It looks better and doesn’t directly compete with any products offered by the other brands.
* Aspen: The luxury truck based SUV craze is over and Cadillac pretty much has sown up what’s left of the segment.
* Compass: It completely dilutes Jeep’s brand image and steals sales away from the Caliber.
* Commander: This vehicle was a poorly executed bad idea. It essentially steals sales away from Jeep’s own Grand Cherokee as well as the Durango. Kill it and redesign the next generation of the Grand Cherokee to accommodate seven passengers (this should have been done with the current generation; then time and money would not have been wasted creating this monstrosity). Once the Grand Cherokee is designed to do this, then the Durango can be killed too. Jeep should be the only brand selling traditional SUV’s for Chrysler LLC.

I do hope the eliminated products help pave the way for Chrysler LLC to reposition their brands with great products that the public is excited to purchase.

Now that’s a real bold move. I hope Ford is paying attention to this lesson.

Magnum was the only DCX…err Chryberus vehicle I’d even consider buying…bummer

Magnum was cool –
everything else – don’t let the door hit you in the ass.

IMO the magnum and 300 are the coolest cars at Chrysler…I agree 1000% with pt cruiser and crossfire…however the pacifica just needed to be restyled with a little more power.

I agree with you, mazdaman, about axing the Aspen in particular. I think I’ve seen two of those since they’ve been on sale. They’re hideous inside and out. That’s a dying segment anyway. I’d get rid of the Aspen over the Magnum for sure. I’m sure the profit margins are far larger with the Aspen, but the Magnum must have the Aspen covered in volume.

I’d love to see the sales figures for the Magnum and the Charger and see how they compare to the Intrepid they replaced. I bet anything they lost sales. They should have gone ahead and replaced the Intrepid with the gorgeous ESX3

http://www.autointell.com/nao_companies/daimlerchrysler/dodge/ESX3_Concept-03-90.jpg

The Pacifica, PT vert, and Crossfire coupe I can understand, but the Magnum? What the hell are they thinking killing the Magnum? Where else can you get a Hemi-powered wagon?

I actually see at least one Aspen every day, but I live near Detroit and commute to Auburn Hills (I can see Chrysler’s HQ building if I look out the front door of where I work). I see lots of ‘07 Sebrings/Avengers, too – a friend of mine owns a new Sebring and really likes it. Of course, that can be chalked up to geography as well. Personally, I think the Sebring is, um, aesthetically challenged, and I’m a 46 y/o lifetime Mopar guy. The Avenger isn’t much better.

I’ve always thought the PT Cruiser convertible looked like a mini-Prowler. Also, I’ve read that they may replace the PT with a Chrysler version of the upcoming Journey. Um…sure, they might as well.

The Crossfire was a huge mistake and should never have been built. Somewhere there’s a brand-new ‘05 awaiting a good home. And I like my ‘05 Grand Cherokee OK (aside from the ****ty gas mileage…with a freakin’ V6!), but there was no need for the Commander or Compass. Again, I see a lot of them every day, but of course I would, wouldn’t I? I’m beginning to wonder about the Jeep Liberty, especially when there’s a perfectly good Patriot available. And why the Dodge Nitro?

Of all these cars on death row, the ones I’ll actually miss are the Magnum and Pacifica. I’ve mulled over purchasing a Magnum in the past (I got the Jeep because it was the last ‘05 left at the dealer and they practically begged me to take it), and the Pacifica may be one of the best bargains around, especially as a used car. It was a great idea that never really found an audience.

I pray Chrysler gets its **** together, or this “Mopar 4 Life” guy may have to defect to GM.

Too bad about the Magnum. That was a cool wagon. I toyed with the idea of getting a black one and slapping black 20’s on it. It looks so ****ing cool when it’s dolled up….

Listen i dont get what all your beefs are with the Aspen, do you have any idea how little it costs for chrysler to produce it over the Durango? Practically nothing. Why bother killing it? Its a Durango trim level that is surely profitable for Chrysler. I know 2 families that own an Aspen and ive seen a good amount on the road. Not as many as Escalades, but cmon, theyre the most popular luxo-SUV on the road. The Aspen is what Chrysler needs to look “upmarket” and they hit the nail on the head with what a Chrysler SUV should be, if there should be one at all. Its also very competitively priced, probably the least expensive luxury-SUV on the market. Theres no reason to kill off the Aspen, it adds class to their image and costs them little to make.

I agree with most that the magnum was a cool wgn, the rest here aren’t worth considering.

Wow. At least keep a the SRT Magnum and sell it in low numbers. Didn’t ChryCo just redesign the Magnum too? At least keep producing it till the end of the LX’s cars product run.

PT Cruiser is an icon for Chrysler but retro designs are difficult to update. I guess they did the right thing by cutting the convertible though…

Pacifica had a lot of potential – it could have been an Outlook or Acadia competitor with some work.

As for what they SHOULD axe that would be the CompASS, ASSpen, Sebring, Avenger, Caliber, Commander, and so on. Either axe them or severely redesign them (but the Compass is completely unnecessary)

They cant axe the Avenger and Sebrinbg they need those but they need some new interiors and the Sebring needs the Nassau concepts front end and that will be a looker Also get rid of the 2.7 V6 just have the 2.4 and the 3.5 engines and maybe a diesel also
Chrysler needs
The Sebring sedan and convertible
A Crossover like the Journey
The 300
A sports car like the Firepower
Maybe a luxury SUV I like the aspen although the interior is terrible
Maybe a compact SUV to compete with the BRX GLK RDX X3 LR3

Dodge needs
A small car to replace the Caliber
The Avenger just give the interior better plastics and leather
the Charger
The Challenger
The Journey
The Durango
The trucks Hicks love em
A large SUV based on the Ram

Jeep needs
The Cherokee – long wheelbase also for a third row or Larger vehicle over it
the Liberty I hate it but Its a good seller for them
The compass gets younger buyers into the brand I think they should keep it and rework it to look like the concept
A truck version of the GC
The Wrangler

why ditch the magnum, that car was for the family man that had a sex life. I can see why the pt cruiser cabrio was axed, it was like a baby pram for the adams family.
has any other car maker had as troubled a history as chrylser the go up and down every 20 yrs.
i hope the survive for the sake of the 300c and hopefully future models with similar visuals

We love the crossfire. I took one out on a racetrack back-to-back against the BMW Z4 and the Z4 rattled around. The crossfire was great. And recently there was one place that had them at $12,000 off MSRP. If only I wanted to spend some of my fortune, but I’m too frugal.

Pacifica is great and useful too if you have been deemed worthy of having a fine woman choose YOU to procreate with. It’s a breeder thing…

Nooo i love the magnum, its the coolest wagon out there!! but everything else seems good to go

too bad about the magnum…the pacifica was nice but lost its way.

An insider just confirmed that the PT Cruiser is NOT BEING AXED.
Just the CONVERTIBLE.
And just until the NEXT NEW PT Cruiser redesign.

Good riddance to all of them.

The PT cruiser needs to go away entirely, never to be heard from again.

PT Cruiser STAYS –
“Chrysler LLC will cut the PT Cruiser convertible from its lineup, but leave the regular Cruiser in production, a person familiar with the company’s plans said today.”

Thats a good start. Keep going

V-6 Crossfire…..doomed from the start without a V-8.

Pacifia has the latest version of the 20 year old 1988 electronic transmission Chrysler keeps modifying but keeps failing on their owners.

Magnum wagon is way cool, but I can’t trust Chrysler quality again after my (and others) Dodgle Intrepid experience to buy one, new OR used.

I don’t believe they are aggressive enough in cutting models from the line-up. Just read in NYTimes that they Cerberus is slashing 12,000 jobs. They also need to slash dealers, especially those who are lacking good service department. In the face of $100/barrel oil it is time to beg for Benz diesel to be build stateside to share among products.

I think it’s a mistake to kill the Magnum, ehich has good design. Maybe another automaker will come out with something like it in the future (Mazda or Mitsu?). Everything else I won’t miss. I would buy a Town and Country over the Pacifica. The PT convertible looks like a hunchback (ugly), and the Crossfire is overpriced for what it is!

I sincerely hope that they reconsider the decision to kill off the Magnum. Chrysler would be shooting itself in the foot.

I didn’t even realize the Crossfire was still in production. It’s been a dead nameplate for awhile already.

This board is top-heavy with enthusiasts who like the Magnum. Obviously the broader market didn’t.

Chrysler needs a wagon/crossover with the Magnum’s and Pacifica’s dimensions, but neither of those models was it.

If the company can kill the Pacifica even though crossovers are red-hot right now, it can sure kill the Sebring even though mid-sized sedans are important right now.

Jack Welch at GE used to assess product segments by asking: can we be number one or number two in that segment? If not, why are we in it — who wants to be number three or four?

Chrysler ought to apply that thinking to each vehicle segment it’s in. It’s got an awful lot of vehicles that are number three or worse competitively. Killing these four models is a good start. Now kill the Sebring, Commander, Aspen, Nitro, Compass, and PT Cruiser. Enough with these pathetic also-ran cars that are designed to be everybody’s fourth choice.

For the last few year’s I’ve told myself I wouldn’t get a new vehicle until someone made a wagon with great mileage and possibly 4wd. I know Toyota is now planning a wagon version of the Prius, but this would have been a good chance for Chrysler to step up and put some hybrid tech in the Magnum, instead of just ditching it. So far I’ve yet to own a foreign car myself, but it seems american carmakers don’t care about the market of guys who need to carry a lot of gear for work, people for fun, want decent mileage, and don’t give a crap about off-roading in some huge SUV that’ll tip over when you want to whip around a corner. Hmm… maybe that’s not as big a market as I thought

Poor Pacifica.
Bye bye Magnum- you were due for a redesign anyway and your utility was extremely limited.

all others – good riddance.

Hmmm…. the market is smaller now?

To davebo: I’m right there with you. The car I want — the CAR I want — is an American FWD station wagon about the size of a Toyota Avalon, moderate luxury trim, priced around 30k. No interest in offroad capability, no need for a third seat, no love for a converted truck.

The Pacifica should have been that car but wasn’t.

Maybe the Ford Flex will answer the call but if it turns out anything like the Edge it’ll be too heavy, slow and expensive.

Chrysler is missing a huge market that is pretty much owned right now by Volvo and Subaru.

So can someone answer me this…

Don’t car companies usually ADD variants on platforms to cut costs? The Magnum was helping to pay for the LX platform, the PT cabrio for the PT platform, and so on. That’s why they were talking about putting the Veyron’s engine in a Bentley, right? So you’d spread the R&D and use the parts more?

A couple of those cars from mazdaman’s nix list need to be axed too. Only keep the good stuff.

Cutting the Magnum was a bone head move. They need to cut the Dakota and the PT Cruiser sedan and the Jeep Compass & Comander. Replace the Pacifica with yet another stupid crossover………..brain dead at best.

I was afraid something like this was about to happen when I walked into the Dodge dealership for a Magnum-specific sales brochure and found it dualed with the Charger for 2008.

As far as Brendino’s comment about adding variants to cut costs, what Chrysler SHOULD be doing instead of dumping the Magnum altogether is to add the 300C Touring it sells in other markets, which is a Magnum from the windshield back. I just saw a nice custom example at SEMA this week, and I’m sure with the popular Chrysler 300 face it would sell enough to justify keeping the Magnum around.

KEEP THE MAGNUM DAMMIT!

I can see the argument for ending production of all these ,but there is not excuse for axing the PT Cruiser and Pacifica.
1. PT Cruiser- The PT Cruiser started the retro thing and now Chrysler is watching as Chevy eats takes their sales. Not because the HHR is so much different ,but because its an updated platform and fresher design. Overall its the same design philoshpy. When they introduced the new Caliber platform they should have redesigned the PT Cruiser to go with it (not that the Caliber is an awesome car) but it would be a fresh design and platform for the public.

2. Pacifica- This is the car that started the crossover trend. The first. And here’s a secret its not a bad crossover, its wasnt when it was introduced and it still can hold its own. I was very impressed by the interior fit and finish. The design still looks good to me. Chrysler screwed up the launch of this SUV by pricing and having a weak engine. It was too little too late when they fixed both issues, but the Pacifica is still a great crossover. Why not redesign it on the next gen LX platform and do the launch right. If they play their cards right this could be a Buick Enclave competitor, and if the fit and finish is up to par ,maybe they could charge a premium.

The car that started the Crossover trend was the first RX 300 back in 99. Chrysler hasnt started anything of importance since the minivan in 84 and thats dieing

I have to disagree with you tripleonefive. The earliest crossover was the Moskvitch 410, but the first true crossover was American, the AMC Eagle, combining full-midsize wagon/sedan architecture with off-road capability (where the Moskvitch was made to be simply small, inexpensive and SUV like in the size of a hatchback).

So I consider the first people mover crossover to be American.

And there had been many minivans before Chrysler. It’s simply that Chrysler combined innovative features when the time was ripe.

The Chrysler PT Cruiser was actually classy looking. It served a nice niche, I dunno how they’ve been selling though…

The Magnum has plenty of potential, why kill it for an extremely crowded, and growing market?

The Pacifica could be redesigned, and if done well then it could be succsessful in the fashion it was when it was first released. It would have to be extremely good though, looking at how American automanufacturers (note, not Japanese this time, aside from Mazda who is owned by Ford.) have raised the bar very high for crossover vehicles.

The Crossfire just didn’t satisfy people, with it’s V-6 and quirky, somewhat boring design. It’s not that it’s a bad car. No curves, no sex appeal, reminds me of early 90’s Chrysler convertibles.

“These actions reflect our new customer-driven philosophy …”
Translation — No one wanted to buy these, so we’re going to stop making them.

I think the pacifica and Magnum could’ve done better, with more marketing support.

MurcieMe: THE aSpen is a loser, and was a loser before the company picked that name.

1115: agree with most of what you said, but I say let the Avenger and Sebring go. Chrysler may need commuter coffins, but these are putrid, and I think they hurt more than help. Why is the Firepower not in production?

purdue: i considered the Pacifica, but it didn’t work for me. I almost bought an Enclave in Vegas last night.

PT Cruiser should have been larger, more powerful, more expensive and less ubiquitous. now, it might as well be a Neon.

TomF: “Now kill the Sebring, Commander, Aspen, Nitro, Compass, and PT Cruiser. Enough with these pathetic

also-ran cars that are designed to be everybody’s fourth choice.”
yeah, kill those two small “jeeps,” and pretend they never existed. The Only way I’d buy a sebring is if I needed a commuter coffin and my only two choices were a camry and accord. And after i DRIVE THE NEw accord, that might change.

1115: the “Rx300″ is just a highlander/camry wagon. Depending on how you define “crossover,” I’d say the first was the AMC Eagle or my stepfather’s old Subaru wagon.

Utility or not, the Magnum does not look like a cookie-cutter car. It also is low and sleek unlike the trend to grow “taller” and top heavy.

I drive Chrysler for last 12 years and covered half a million miles. I’ve had a minivan, Intrepid, Intrepid R/T, 300M. The 300M is the last my car with this company. I think the company has great people, great potential. The problem is the Chrysler lost a vision of rationality and it has serious deficiency of body art. It’s not only my opinion.

The only way I can see Chrysler salvaging the PT Cruiser is redesign the next generation on the Sebring sedan’s 108.9 inch midsize platform (I would actually stretch the wheelbase to 110 inches). This would give the car more utility and allow Chrysler to move it upscale. I would offer the Caliber SRT4’s turbocharged 2.4 liter 4 cylinder engine as the standard engine (with a 6 speed auto). Hybrid and/or diesel engines could be offered as options. I would only offer the four door wagon configuration (the convertible is and should stay dead). If redesigned on this platform and given an appropriate upscale exterior/interior design, this car could still serve as a great entry level vehicle for the Chrysler brand (I would drop the “PT” prefix and simply call the new car the “Chrysler Cruiser”).

As I said earlier, I would drop the Sebring sedan. I would continue to sell the convertible for now. I think the next Chrysler brand midsize sedan should be built on a shortened version of the next generation 300 rear wheel drive platform. I would call the car “LeBaron” or “Concorde” and would offer it in sedan and coupe-cabrio (hardtop convertible) configurations (the Sebring convertible could be dropped when the new car reaches the market). I would maybe add a wagon variant since this vehicle configuration tends to be popular in regions outside of the U.S. The car would receive sleek, elegant, upscale styling inside and out. Nothing less than a V6 engine/6 speed auto transmission combo would be offered. All wheel drive would be offered for those who live in colder climates. I think this car would give Chrysler a more upscale product to differentiate it from Dodge and move the brand upmarket.

Hey cool lets get rid of two of the best looking cars they make…. Magnum and Pacifica… and lets bring in a fugly bathtub looking piece of **** and yet ANOTHER SUV! And they wonder why they can’t sell ****!

Yea Chrysler is the luxury car brand
Dodge is the all americn multi brand-Like Chevy
Jeep is american off-road trucks- Like GMC or Hummer
They should follow those guidelines and make their interiors better. Chryslers exterior designs are very nice but they never seem to deliver on interiors and of course quality.
Cerebrus is going to clean them up and they will be back to topple Ford and GM. They can forget about the Japanese or Koreans but they can get the other domestics

1115: possible, but not likely. Jeep is going, i’d almost dead certain of that. Honda may or may not take on the carcass

I’m almost dead certain