Comments on: Claim: Porsche accuses Nissan of exaggerating GT-R lap time http://www.leftlanenews.com/claim-porsche-accuses-nissan-of-exaggerating-gt-r-lap-time.html Car news, reviews, and specs for the auto-industry Sun, 21 Mar 2010 00:44:39 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: sammyj http://www.leftlanenews.com/claim-porsche-accuses-nissan-of-exaggerating-gt-r-lap-time.html/comment-page-2#comment-511146 sammyj Sun, 03 Jan 2010 17:44:54 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=9990#comment-511146 The Nissan may have technology that might give it some edge but not 25 seconds. I remember reading an article in 2007 about how the lap testing done before its release achieved times of about 7:54, similar ro what porche achieved in the GTR. The Porches have a better power to weight ratio, better 0-100km/h and the turbo and GT2 I am pretty sure are all wheel drive aswel. The Nissan may have technology that might give it some edge but not 25 seconds. I remember reading an article in 2007 about how the lap testing done before its release achieved times of about 7:54, similar ro what porche achieved in the GTR. The Porches have a better power to weight ratio, better 0-100km/h and the turbo and GT2 I am pretty sure are all wheel drive aswel.

]]> By: beatusmongous http://www.leftlanenews.com/claim-porsche-accuses-nissan-of-exaggerating-gt-r-lap-time.html/comment-page-2#comment-467659 beatusmongous Sat, 04 Jul 2009 01:31:17 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=9990#comment-467659 WSX, all 'ring times are done with flying starts. That's how lap times are done on almost any track. However, the 'ring does have one strange part about it, and that is that the start line and finish line are not in the same place. They are about 600 feet apart, and therefore, the starts and stops on these tests appear to be "cheating" because they are different. That's just the goofy nature of this track. If you see any of the other videos, like the ACR and the ZR1 videos, you will see that the start and stop are in different locations as well. I would be more inclined to say that Nissan cheated by using non-standard tires or by making some other adjustments to improve their time. WSX, all ‘ring times are done with flying starts. That’s how lap times are done on almost any track. However, the ‘ring does have one strange part about it, and that is that the start line and finish line are not in the same place. They are about 600 feet apart, and therefore, the starts and stops on these tests appear to be “cheating” because they are different. That’s just the goofy nature of this track. If you see any of the other videos, like the ACR and the ZR1 videos, you will see that the start and stop are in different locations as well.

I would be more inclined to say that Nissan cheated by using non-standard tires or by making some other adjustments to improve their time.

]]> By: wsx http://www.leftlanenews.com/claim-porsche-accuses-nissan-of-exaggerating-gt-r-lap-time.html/comment-page-2#comment-423887 wsx Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:11:52 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=9990#comment-423887 If you look at Nissan's realse of their track time video at Nurburgring, it is clear that they time their lap time at different points on the track. They also use a flying start. At 00:00 (when they started timing) there is metal wall/barrier to the right of the track. But at 7 min 29 (when they stopped timing - the alleged lap time for their "wonder machine" that has been blessed by the power of God to defy all laws of physics and logic), there is no wall to the right of the track. Nissan obviously started and stopped timing their "lap time" at different points on the track - they didn't time the complete track time by cutting it short. Nissan cheated, and only boy racers living in 'the fast and furious' fantasy world will believe Nissan's track time of 7:29. Walter Rohrl's tested time of 7:50 with the GT-R is probably the best a stock GT-R could ever do on Nurburgring. He is a legend, titled as 'the rally driver of the century', and holds respectable titles on Nurburgring, even competing in 24 hour Nurburgring race. On the same day he tested the GT-R, he did a 7:34 with a GT2 and slightly slower with Turbo. And no, he doesn't only know how to drive a Porsche, he has plenty of experience driving all sorts of cars - from Audi to Fiat in his Rally careers, as well as all others during his road driving years. If you look at Nissan’s realse of their track time video at Nurburgring, it is clear that they time their lap time at different points on the track. They also use a flying start. At 00:00 (when they started timing) there is metal wall/barrier to the right of the track. But at 7 min 29 (when they stopped timing – the alleged lap time for their “wonder machine” that has been blessed by the power of God to defy all laws of physics and logic), there is no wall to the right of the track. Nissan obviously started and stopped timing their “lap time” at different points on the track – they didn’t time the complete track time by cutting it short.
Nissan cheated, and only boy racers living in ‘the fast and furious’ fantasy world will believe Nissan’s track time of 7:29.

Walter Rohrl’s tested time of 7:50 with the GT-R is probably the best a stock GT-R could ever do on Nurburgring. He is a legend, titled as ‘the rally driver of the century’, and holds respectable titles on Nurburgring, even competing in 24 hour Nurburgring race.
On the same day he tested the GT-R, he did a 7:34 with a GT2 and slightly slower with Turbo. And no, he doesn’t only know how to drive a Porsche, he has plenty of experience driving all sorts of cars – from Audi to Fiat in his Rally careers, as well as all others during his road driving years.

]]> By: SteveDR http://www.leftlanenews.com/claim-porsche-accuses-nissan-of-exaggerating-gt-r-lap-time.html/comment-page-2#comment-420496 SteveDR Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:02:31 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=9990#comment-420496 The feature and videos are now published http://www.drivers-republic.com/features/ The feature and videos are now published

http://www.drivers-republic.com/features/

]]> By: SteveDR http://www.leftlanenews.com/claim-porsche-accuses-nissan-of-exaggerating-gt-r-lap-time.html/comment-page-2#comment-420190 SteveDR Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:03:04 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=9990#comment-420190 Last Tuesday we took a 911 GT2 (supplied by Porsche) and a Nissan GT-R (a customer car imported from Japan) and joined the RMA track day at the 'ring. Chris Harris was the driver and he drove each car for three laps (one out lap, and two flying laps). Naturally we recorded the laps on video and recorded the lap and section times on Racelogic telemetry. We are busy finishing the video and will shortly publish the feature story and full results. This is as close as you'll probably get to an independent and unbiased validation of their respective 'claimed' lap times so it will be interesting to see how this conversation goes after the results are published. Last Tuesday we took a 911 GT2 (supplied by Porsche) and a Nissan GT-R (a customer car imported from Japan) and joined the RMA track day at the ‘ring.

Chris Harris was the driver and he drove each car for three laps (one out lap, and two flying laps). Naturally we recorded the laps on video and recorded the lap and section times on Racelogic telemetry.
We are busy finishing the video and will shortly publish the feature story and full results.

This is as close as you’ll probably get to an independent and unbiased validation of their respective ‘claimed’ lap times so it will be interesting to see how this conversation goes after the results are published.

]]> By: GTRDONE http://www.leftlanenews.com/claim-porsche-accuses-nissan-of-exaggerating-gt-r-lap-time.html/comment-page-2#comment-413884 GTRDONE Fri, 17 Oct 2008 01:22:06 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=9990#comment-413884 Porshe is just whining because Nissan came up with the car that can out run theirs for a fraction of their price Porshe is just whining because Nissan came up with the car that can out run theirs for a fraction of their price

]]> By: Dindel http://www.leftlanenews.com/claim-porsche-accuses-nissan-of-exaggerating-gt-r-lap-time.html/comment-page-2#comment-411824 Dindel Sat, 04 Oct 2008 19:28:37 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=9990#comment-411824 Pretty far down the page, but here goes. A couple of years ago, Nissan claimed a sub 8 min time for the then new Skyline GT-R. Turned out that car was far from stock too. Pretty far down the page, but here goes. A couple of years ago, Nissan claimed a sub 8 min time for the then new Skyline GT-R. Turned out that car was far from stock too.

]]> By: ffs http://www.leftlanenews.com/claim-porsche-accuses-nissan-of-exaggerating-gt-r-lap-time.html/comment-page-2#comment-411822 ffs Sat, 04 Oct 2008 19:14:12 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=9990#comment-411822 lol nissan has built a miniature of green hell in japan just to make the GT-R.They have even made the same benches and signs.i dont think that nissan is not legit i just think that porsche just doesn't know how to lose plus they haven't done the 15000 laps that nissan's driver did nor the driver was there when they were building it. lol nissan has built a miniature of green hell in japan just to make the GT-R.They have even made the same benches and signs.i dont think that nissan is not legit i just think that porsche just doesn’t know how to lose plus they haven’t done the 15000 laps that nissan’s driver did nor the driver was there when they were building it.

]]> By: bensikat http://www.leftlanenews.com/claim-porsche-accuses-nissan-of-exaggerating-gt-r-lap-time.html/comment-page-2#comment-411404 bensikat Thu, 02 Oct 2008 13:59:18 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=9990#comment-411404 Has there been any independent verification of Nissan's claim of 7:29 Nurburgring lap ? Or has production GTR even come close to it ? Has there been any independent verification of Nissan’s claim of 7:29 Nurburgring lap ? Or has production GTR even come close to it ?

]]> By: davebo http://www.leftlanenews.com/claim-porsche-accuses-nissan-of-exaggerating-gt-r-lap-time.html/comment-page-2#comment-411328 davebo Thu, 02 Oct 2008 03:41:26 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=9990#comment-411328 7:28 Nurburgring lap time was set by “a standard specification model, fitted with standard Japanese market tyres” Maybe Nissan meant a standard spec Japanese model with Japanese market standard run-of-the-mill R compound tires. Also if you're driving clockwise around the ring in a Jap model with right-side steering, the weight displacement could give them a huge advantage! Yeah... you'd pretty much have to grasp at straws to believe that lap time was pure stock. 7:28 Nurburgring lap time was set by “a standard specification model, fitted with standard Japanese market tyres”

Maybe Nissan meant a standard spec Japanese model with Japanese market standard run-of-the-mill R compound tires. Also if you’re driving clockwise around the ring in a Jap model with right-side steering, the weight displacement could give them a huge advantage! Yeah… you’d pretty much have to grasp at straws to believe that lap time was pure stock.

]]> By: nightsz http://www.leftlanenews.com/claim-porsche-accuses-nissan-of-exaggerating-gt-r-lap-time.html/comment-page-2#comment-411322 nightsz Thu, 02 Oct 2008 03:03:14 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=9990#comment-411322 I don't see what all the fuss is about, nearly every magazine in the world has proven that the GT-R is faster than the 911 turbo around nearly a dozen different tracks, that it's faster to 0-60, etc. To repost what was posted above, we all love Top Gear here and they (like everyone) have a video to prove the GT-R is faster: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqBBL7WYWIs I don’t see what all the fuss is about, nearly every magazine in the world has proven that the GT-R is faster than the 911 turbo around nearly a dozen different tracks, that it’s faster to 0-60, etc.

To repost what was posted above, we all love Top Gear here and they (like everyone) have a video to prove the GT-R is faster: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqBBL7WYWIs

]]> By: speedemon08 http://www.leftlanenews.com/claim-porsche-accuses-nissan-of-exaggerating-gt-r-lap-time.html/comment-page-2#comment-411321 speedemon08 Thu, 02 Oct 2008 02:37:56 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=9990#comment-411321 We have a predicament. the nissan they might have used may have had 500 hp, as the engine are handbuilt, so they put out different amounts of HP. the lap time seems credible and valid. an i think porsche dont want to be beaten by a Normal car We have a predicament. the nissan they might have used may have had 500 hp, as the engine are handbuilt, so they put out different amounts of HP. the lap time seems credible and valid. an i think porsche dont want to be beaten by a Normal car

]]> By: nowei http://www.leftlanenews.com/claim-porsche-accuses-nissan-of-exaggerating-gt-r-lap-time.html/comment-page-2#comment-411310 nowei Thu, 02 Oct 2008 01:25:13 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=9990#comment-411310 A question I can't believe no one has asked is: What exactly qualifies the car as stock? The GT-R has quite a number of electronically adjustable components. I'd be willing to bet money that these components don't roll off the dealership lot with the most aggressive options selected. It would be really easy to buy a GT-R and just leave the suspension, traction control, gear changes in standard or comfort mode or whatever the default is and probably pad out the lap times quite significantly. I'm not saying that Porsche did this, just that they could. A question I can’t believe no one has asked is: What exactly qualifies the car as stock? The GT-R has quite a number of electronically adjustable components. I’d be willing to bet money that these components don’t roll off the dealership lot with the most aggressive options selected. It would be really easy to buy a GT-R and just leave the suspension, traction control, gear changes in standard or comfort mode or whatever the default is and probably pad out the lap times quite significantly.

I’m not saying that Porsche did this, just that they could.

]]> By: DrFill http://www.leftlanenews.com/claim-porsche-accuses-nissan-of-exaggerating-gt-r-lap-time.html/comment-page-2#comment-411293 DrFill Thu, 02 Oct 2008 00:46:26 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=9990#comment-411293 Would Porsche like some cheese to go with that whine? DrFill Would Porsche like some cheese to go with that whine?
DrFill

]]> By: cftisa http://www.leftlanenews.com/claim-porsche-accuses-nissan-of-exaggerating-gt-r-lap-time.html/comment-page-2#comment-411292 cftisa Thu, 02 Oct 2008 00:36:26 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=9990#comment-411292 That would mean that the GT-R is even slower than the PDK-equipped 911 Carrera S, which posted a Nurburgring lap time of 7:50. I smell something fishy here on both sides... Who cares anyway, the PDK-equipped, direct-injected 911 Turbo is going to eat the GT-R for breakfast; same with the upcoming PDK DI GT2 killing the V-Spec. That would mean that the GT-R is even slower than the PDK-equipped 911 Carrera S, which posted a Nurburgring lap time of 7:50. I smell something fishy here on both sides…
Who cares anyway, the PDK-equipped, direct-injected 911 Turbo is going to eat the GT-R for breakfast; same with the upcoming PDK DI GT2 killing the V-Spec.

]]> By: aexcorp http://www.leftlanenews.com/claim-porsche-accuses-nissan-of-exaggerating-gt-r-lap-time.html/comment-page-2#comment-411287 aexcorp Thu, 02 Oct 2008 00:21:55 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=9990#comment-411287 A few things need to be said about this whole crazy controversy: -Porsche took a BRAND NEW car from a US dealership to do the test. Now it's a known fact that a brand new car not only should be broken in correctly (despite the ludicrous claims of so many dealerships), but also that a car will show its best performances after at the very least a few thousand miles, if not 10s of thousands. -There's no way for us to know what Nissan did, but the truth is, flashing the ECU before the race to increase the boost on the turbos could have boosted power by nearly 100hp since it seems this car has plenty of power in reserve. Or they could have used slicks or whatever, point is, we have no proof. -It's nearly impossible to obtain the same track time on a track as complex and long as the Ring, shit, try it in GT or Forza, and now think about how much harder it would be in real life with your safety on the balance. However, the discrepancy offered by Porsche is so large that this can only be a factor but not the whole. I think we'll never know, unless Nissan feels compelled to do it again in front of judges and allows them to detail the car after. But regardless, Porsche offers something that Nissan doesn't. The attention to details, the beauty and thoroughness of their engineering and the finish are things that are not matched by Nissan. However, when it comes to the price tag, I'd go for the GTR... A few things need to be said about this whole crazy controversy:
-Porsche took a BRAND NEW car from a US dealership to do the test. Now it’s a known fact that a brand new car not only should be broken in correctly (despite the ludicrous claims of so many dealerships), but also that a car will show its best performances after at the very least a few thousand miles, if not 10s of thousands.

-There’s no way for us to know what Nissan did, but the truth is, flashing the ECU before the race to increase the boost on the turbos could have boosted power by nearly 100hp since it seems this car has plenty of power in reserve. Or they could have used slicks or whatever, point is, we have no proof.

-It’s nearly impossible to obtain the same track time on a track as complex and long as the Ring, ****, try it in GT or Forza, and now think about how much harder it would be in real life with your safety on the balance. However, the discrepancy offered by Porsche is so large that this can only be a factor but not the whole.

I think we’ll never know, unless Nissan feels compelled to do it again in front of judges and allows them to detail the car after. But regardless, Porsche offers something that Nissan doesn’t. The attention to details, the beauty and thoroughness of their engineering and the finish are things that are not matched by Nissan. However, when it comes to the price tag, I’d go for the GTR…

]]> By: cftisa http://www.leftlanenews.com/claim-porsche-accuses-nissan-of-exaggerating-gt-r-lap-time.html/comment-page-2#comment-411286 cftisa Thu, 02 Oct 2008 00:17:24 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=9990#comment-411286 According to the Australian press release for the GT-R released today, which is set to go on sale here in April next year, the 7:28 Nurburgring lap time was set by "a standard specification model, fitted with standard Japanese market tyres". Therefore, if Porsche were to truly discredit Nissan's claims, they would need to test a stock Japanese GT-R! According to the Australian press release for the GT-R released today, which is set to go on sale here in April next year, the 7:28 Nurburgring lap time was set by “a standard specification model, fitted with standard Japanese market tyres”.
Therefore, if Porsche were to truly discredit Nissan’s claims, they would need to test a stock Japanese GT-R!

]]> By: OmegaAbyss http://www.leftlanenews.com/claim-porsche-accuses-nissan-of-exaggerating-gt-r-lap-time.html/comment-page-2#comment-411281 OmegaAbyss Wed, 01 Oct 2008 23:44:30 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=9990#comment-411281 I agree, there's way in hell a GT-R could outpace a GT2, let alone a Turbo I agree, there’s way in hell a GT-R could outpace a GT2, let alone a Turbo

]]> By: bigp http://www.leftlanenews.com/claim-porsche-accuses-nissan-of-exaggerating-gt-r-lap-time.html/comment-page-2#comment-411264 bigp Wed, 01 Oct 2008 23:05:17 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=9990#comment-411264 well the should prove it then. for the world to see. well the should prove it then. for the world to see.

]]> By: DrFill http://www.leftlanenews.com/claim-porsche-accuses-nissan-of-exaggerating-gt-r-lap-time.html/comment-page-2#comment-411234 DrFill Wed, 01 Oct 2008 22:08:29 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=9990#comment-411234 Fortunately, you don't need a brain to drive a GT-R Aito, AWD, launch control Idiot-proof! Sweet! DrFill Fortunately, you don’t need a brain to drive a GT-R
Aito, AWD, launch control
Idiot-proof!
Sweet!
DrFill

]]> By: yarddog82abn http://www.leftlanenews.com/claim-porsche-accuses-nissan-of-exaggerating-gt-r-lap-time.html/comment-page-2#comment-411199 yarddog82abn Wed, 01 Oct 2008 20:04:03 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=9990#comment-411199 DAMM...... I guess it's settled, Nissan wins, so it come down to brand loyalty……. But like I seed, YOU CAN SPEND ALL THE MONEY YOU WANT ON A PERFORMANCE CAR, BUT IF YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW DRIVE IT….we will see your car on Wreck Exotics wed-site… DAMM…… I guess it’s settled, Nissan wins, so it come down to brand loyalty…….

But like I seed, YOU CAN SPEND ALL THE MONEY YOU WANT ON A PERFORMANCE CAR, BUT IF YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW DRIVE IT….we will see your car on Wreck Exotics wed-site…

]]> By: C6Racer http://www.leftlanenews.com/claim-porsche-accuses-nissan-of-exaggerating-gt-r-lap-time.html/comment-page-2#comment-411198 C6Racer Wed, 01 Oct 2008 20:00:35 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=9990#comment-411198 larism, that's because it's not true. larism, that’s because it’s not true.

]]> By: bmwboy http://www.leftlanenews.com/claim-porsche-accuses-nissan-of-exaggerating-gt-r-lap-time.html/comment-page-2#comment-411196 bmwboy Wed, 01 Oct 2008 19:56:44 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=9990#comment-411196 The Stig did drive this car around a track and it was alot faster than the 911 turbo and ZO6. Check this video out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqBBL7WYWIs The Stig did drive this car around a track and it was alot faster than the 911 turbo and ZO6. Check this video out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqBBL7WYWIs

]]> By: yarddog82abn http://www.leftlanenews.com/claim-porsche-accuses-nissan-of-exaggerating-gt-r-lap-time.html/comment-page-2#comment-411191 yarddog82abn Wed, 01 Oct 2008 19:44:56 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=9990#comment-411191 O.K. look "ALMOST" all cars do come restricted from the manufacture. Heck, CEC wheels will tune your $280,000.00 Ferrari Scuderia for $50K!!!... I spent $46K on my Shelby, and put in to it about $12K in parts so that I can get the most out of it. I know I can hold my own with some of the best, just that MONEY is not some thing I have in abundance, or eels I'll be racing full time. Nissan probably had a driver that was 5ft.3" and came in at 115lbs. and the car was running on fumes and on it's 20th lap, or not... the truth is that only 18% of all performance car play hard on the track, and even so only about 75% of the cars that do get track time get some type of tuning, a K&N filter, a chip or ECU update, tires, wheels or bigger, The other 25% is some Joe that paid up the nose for a performance car and want's to see "what the car can do", and it just maybe his first track day... Now, I've been lucky enough to have driven some badas and very expensive exotics and the main than I learn from years of racing on the track is, and listen to me now, YOU CAN SPEND ALL THE MONEY YOU WANT ON A PERFORMANCE CAR, BUT IF YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW DRIVE IT....we will see your car on Wreck Exotics wed-site...So what ever it is, GTR vs. GT2 vs. Z06, it doesn't matter, the car is only as good as the driver. Unless the "STIG" drives all 3 cars on the same day and on the same track, other wise it come down to brand loyalty....... O.K. look “ALMOST” all cars do come restricted from the manufacture. Heck, CEC wheels will tune your $280,000.00 Ferrari Scuderia for $50K!!!… I spent $46K on my Shelby, and put in to it about $12K in parts so that I can get the most out of it. I know I can hold my own with some of the best, just that MONEY is not some thing I have in abundance, or eels I’ll be racing full time. Nissan probably had a driver that was 5ft.3″ and came in at 115lbs. and the car was running on fumes and on it’s 20th lap, or not… the truth is that only 18% of all performance car play hard on the track, and even so only about 75% of the cars that do get track time get some type of tuning, a K&N filter, a chip or ECU update, tires, wheels or bigger, The other 25% is some Joe that paid up the nose for a performance car and want’s to see “what the car can do”, and it just maybe his first track day… Now, I’ve been lucky enough to have driven some badas and very expensive exotics and the main than I learn from years of racing on the track is, and listen to me now, YOU CAN SPEND ALL THE MONEY YOU WANT ON A PERFORMANCE CAR, BUT IF YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW DRIVE IT….we will see your car on Wreck Exotics wed-site…So what ever it is, GTR vs. GT2 vs. Z06, it doesn’t matter, the car is only as good as the driver. Unless the “STIG” drives all 3 cars on the same day and on the same track, other wise it come down to brand loyalty…….

]]> By: Goose http://www.leftlanenews.com/claim-porsche-accuses-nissan-of-exaggerating-gt-r-lap-time.html/comment-page-2#comment-411157 Goose Wed, 01 Oct 2008 18:02:44 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=9990#comment-411157 the GTR has officially been castrated. Long live the ZO6 the GTR has officially been castrated. Long live the ZO6

]]> By: WEKS http://www.leftlanenews.com/claim-porsche-accuses-nissan-of-exaggerating-gt-r-lap-time.html/comment-page-2#comment-411144 WEKS Wed, 01 Oct 2008 17:46:13 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=9990#comment-411144 As much as I'd like to just blindly believe Porsche's claim,they are after all one of Europes greatest car manufacturers, they can hardly claim that they are unbiased. Some investigation by a third party would be much appreciated. As much as I’d like to just blindly believe Porsche’s claim,they are after all one of Europes greatest car manufacturers, they can hardly claim that they are unbiased. Some investigation by a third party would be much appreciated.

]]> By: Need more oil for GM http://www.leftlanenews.com/claim-porsche-accuses-nissan-of-exaggerating-gt-r-lap-time.html/comment-page-2#comment-411125 Need more oil for GM Wed, 01 Oct 2008 17:12:49 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=9990#comment-411125 Normal wear and tear items beatus. Corvettes are built to last. The GT-R and all Porsches are not Normal wear and tear items beatus. Corvettes are built to last. The GT-R and all Porsches are not

]]> By: shaver http://www.leftlanenews.com/claim-porsche-accuses-nissan-of-exaggerating-gt-r-lap-time.html/comment-page-2#comment-411110 shaver Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:36:11 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=9990#comment-411110 Fianlly the truth, jesus christ several mags have questioned the numbers and they dont add up to anyone. GTR 0-150 takes 9 seconds longer then in a Z06. Brake numbers are near identical. GT-R is only barely faster on tracks that are tight and have no long straights thanks to AWD. Fianlly the truth, jesus christ several mags have questioned the numbers and they dont add up to anyone. GTR 0-150 takes 9 seconds longer then in a Z06. Brake numbers are near identical. GT-R is only barely faster on tracks that are tight and have no long straights thanks to AWD.

]]> By: beatusmongous http://www.leftlanenews.com/claim-porsche-accuses-nissan-of-exaggerating-gt-r-lap-time.html/comment-page-2#comment-411101 beatusmongous Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:17:36 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=9990#comment-411101 I guess you never need to change an air filter in a Corvette... ...or transmission fluid... ...or coolant... ...or wiper blades... ...or light bulbs... Tool or fake? I vote fake. Anyone else? I guess you never need to change an air filter in a Corvette…

…or transmission fluid…

…or coolant…

…or wiper blades…

…or light bulbs…

Tool or fake? I vote fake. Anyone else?

]]> By: Need more oil for GM http://www.leftlanenews.com/claim-porsche-accuses-nissan-of-exaggerating-gt-r-lap-time.html/comment-page-2#comment-411057 Need more oil for GM Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:11:01 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=9990#comment-411057 Too bad it's still a Nissan. And even though it may be as problem ridden as a Porcshe, and it probably isn't as expensive to fix, the problems would be too numerous for anyone to want to deal with. Do yourselves a favor and buy a Vette which will run for hundreds of thousands of miles without needing anything other than B/T/O. I see it all the time, just like I see Nissans being carted off on tow trucks all the time (same with Porsches) Too bad it’s still a Nissan. And even though it may be as problem ridden as a Porcshe, and it probably isn’t as expensive to fix, the problems would be too numerous for anyone to want to deal with. Do yourselves a favor and buy a Vette which will run for hundreds of thousands of miles without needing anything other than B/T/O. I see it all the time, just like I see Nissans being carted off on tow trucks all the time (same with Porsches)

]]> By: jonmiles http://www.leftlanenews.com/claim-porsche-accuses-nissan-of-exaggerating-gt-r-lap-time.html/comment-page-2#comment-411052 jonmiles Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:45:22 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=9990#comment-411052 ^This was the best comment on here yet. I personally have gotten a real kick out of checking Nurburgring lap times, and I think it's obvious that they have become a serioius marketing tool. There NEEDS to be a governing body overseeing this ^This was the best comment on here yet.

I personally have gotten a real kick out of checking Nurburgring lap times, and I think it’s obvious that they have become a serioius marketing tool. There NEEDS to be a governing body overseeing this

]]> By: Z06ified http://www.leftlanenews.com/claim-porsche-accuses-nissan-of-exaggerating-gt-r-lap-time.html/comment-page-2#comment-411049 Z06ified Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:38:15 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=9990#comment-411049 7:54 does seem to be a correct time for the GT-R, based on its hardware and power-to-weight ratio. The C5 Z06 ran a 7:56 in 2003, and had a similar power-to-weight ratio (only 405hp, but 750 lbs. lighter), and similar braking and handling numbers. The problem with these Nurburgring manufacturer claims is there is no sanctioning body to oversee, document, and test the cars and the times. Particularly with a turbocharged car, it is very easy for the manufacturer to crank the boost up for their publicity run, and no one would ever know. This GT-R that Nissan ran on the Nurburgring could have easily been running 600hp, and nobody would know it except the Nissan engineers and driver. In spite of Porsche's accusations (which may be true), it doesn't change the fact that the GT-R is a seriously fast car, and does offer similar if not better performance than some of Porsche's best hardware, for much less coin. Maybe the two companies can trade lies: Nissan can explain how their GT-R really got that time, and Porsche can explain why they charge too much for the performance their cars offer. 7:54 does seem to be a correct time for the GT-R, based on its hardware and power-to-weight ratio. The C5 Z06 ran a 7:56 in 2003, and had a similar power-to-weight ratio (only 405hp, but 750 lbs. lighter), and similar braking and handling numbers.

The problem with these Nurburgring manufacturer claims is there is no sanctioning body to oversee, document, and test the cars and the times. Particularly with a turbocharged car, it is very easy for the manufacturer to crank the boost up for their publicity run, and no one would ever know. This GT-R that Nissan ran on the Nurburgring could have easily been running 600hp, and nobody would know it except the Nissan engineers and driver.

In spite of Porsche’s accusations (which may be true), it doesn’t change the fact that the GT-R is a seriously fast car, and does offer similar if not better performance than some of Porsche’s best hardware, for much less coin. Maybe the two companies can trade lies: Nissan can explain how their GT-R really got that time, and Porsche can explain why they charge too much for the performance their cars offer.

]]> By: Need more oil for GM http://www.leftlanenews.com/claim-porsche-accuses-nissan-of-exaggerating-gt-r-lap-time.html/comment-page-2#comment-411043 Need more oil for GM Wed, 01 Oct 2008 12:17:39 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=9990#comment-411043 The japs are known for beinig deceptive. This is no surprise. Americans would rather drive a Corvette anyways, this Nissan is a POS and everyone knows it. Just the japs trying to decieve yet again. The japs are known for beinig deceptive. This is no surprise.

Americans would rather drive a Corvette anyways, this Nissan is a POS and everyone knows it. Just the japs trying to decieve yet again.

]]> By: JohnnyBlazE http://www.leftlanenews.com/claim-porsche-accuses-nissan-of-exaggerating-gt-r-lap-time.html/comment-page-1#comment-411036 JohnnyBlazE Wed, 01 Oct 2008 11:53:55 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=9990#comment-411036 f***ing racists. I hope miyagi comes roudn to your house and waxes on and off your mothers. f***ing racists. I hope miyagi comes roudn to your house and waxes on and off your mothers.

]]> By: DeansterTJ http://www.leftlanenews.com/claim-porsche-accuses-nissan-of-exaggerating-gt-r-lap-time.html/comment-page-1#comment-411035 DeansterTJ Wed, 01 Oct 2008 11:11:47 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/?p=9990#comment-411035 That GTR is ugly as sin. I don't know why they couldn't make the styling a little more elegant. Stupid gooks. That GTR is ugly as sin. I don’t know why they couldn’t make the styling a little more elegant. Stupid gooks.

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