Comments on: DaimlerChrysler prices U.S. Smart ForTwo at $12,000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html Car news, reviews, and specs for the auto-industry Sat, 11 Feb 2012 00:12:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: scottnelsonsmith http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-451450 scottnelsonsmith Thu, 16 Apr 2009 07:35:40 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-451450 I just test drove a Smart Car. Pluses: roomy fun interior, in the same vein as a Mini-Cooper or Honda Insight. Fun to drive; good pep, gear-shifting paddles are a hoot. Good handling, excellent visibility, outstanding gas mileage for a non-hybrid. Minuses: I won't argue the price one way or the other; it is what it is. But... Warranty: 2 year 24,000 miles. That doesn't show much confidence. Also, ride reminds me of my old Suzuki Samurai days w/ the short wheelbase: much harsher than longer wheel bases. I learned to not mind this by simply letting my body settle in and get jostled; it's when you tense up and resist that it's annoying. So, for me the harsh ride isn't a problem but I would understand this would be a concern for others. Finally, needs premium gas. Summary: a fun-fun-fun quirky car that is very different, not just in appearance but in how you drive it. All pluses to me. However, limited warranty and premium gas don't impress me and make me wonder how much Mercedes is simply selling to an emotional niche rather than a serious car buyer. Still, if my expected job search lands me a job w/ a significant commute, I just might buy one. But the warranty is admittedly a drag on my enthusiasm. I just test drove a Smart Car.

Pluses: roomy fun interior, in the same vein as a Mini-Cooper or Honda Insight. Fun to drive; good pep, gear-shifting paddles are a hoot. Good handling, excellent visibility, outstanding gas mileage for a non-hybrid.

Minuses: I won’t argue the price one way or the other; it is what it is. But…
Warranty: 2 year 24,000 miles. That doesn’t show much confidence. Also, ride reminds me of my old Suzuki Samurai days w/ the short wheelbase: much harsher than longer wheel bases. I learned to not mind this by simply letting my body settle in and get jostled; it’s when you tense up and resist that it’s annoying. So, for me the harsh ride isn’t a problem but I would understand this would be a concern for others. Finally, needs premium gas.

Summary: a fun-fun-fun quirky car that is very different, not just in appearance but in how you drive it. All pluses to me. However, limited warranty and premium gas don’t impress me and make me wonder how much Mercedes is simply selling to an emotional niche rather than a serious car buyer.

Still, if my expected job search lands me a job w/ a significant commute, I just might buy one. But the warranty is admittedly a drag on my enthusiasm.

]]> By: icepuck http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-370487 icepuck Fri, 04 Apr 2008 01:18:33 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-370487 In several articles I've seen where it's received a 3 star crash rating one of which from the NCAP. The side impact is not good at all. The side doors are known to pop off during impact which makes it possible for passengers to be ejected. The driver protection on a front impact got a 4 star rating while the passenger only a 3. At the same time it rolls very easily. No other passenger car, excluding trucks, vans, SUVS, have a rollover rating below 4. http://money.cnn.com/2008/04/03/autos/smart_crash_test/?postversion=2008040316 I'm very curious why all of this, in fact none of this, is being mentioned on not one of the news stations I'm watching. These cars aren't safe. In several articles I’ve seen where it’s received a 3 star crash rating one of which from the NCAP. The side impact is not good at all. The side doors are known to pop off during impact which makes it possible for passengers to be ejected. The driver protection on a front impact got a 4 star rating while the passenger only a 3.

At the same time it rolls very easily. No other passenger car, excluding trucks, vans, SUVS, have a rollover rating below 4.

http://money.cnn.com/2008/04/03/autos/smart_crash_test/?postversion=2008040316

I’m very curious why all of this, in fact none of this, is being mentioned on not one of the news stations I’m watching. These cars aren’t safe.

]]> By: beatusmongous http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-305610 beatusmongous Thu, 05 Apr 2007 02:36:10 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-305610 Funny how everyone points out how unsafe this car is, but no one considers how unsafe a Ducatti or a Harley or a crotch rocket is. Maybe the ForTwo would be ripped to pieces if it tangled with an H2, but I really don't think an H2 would stand a chance against a tractor trailer. There's always a bigger fish, and they usually cost a lot more and use more gas. Funny how everyone points out how unsafe this car is, but no one considers how unsafe a Ducatti or a Harley or a crotch rocket is. Maybe the ForTwo would be ripped to pieces if it tangled with an H2, but I really don’t think an H2 would stand a chance against a tractor trailer. There’s always a bigger fish, and they usually cost a lot more and use more gas.

]]> By: DialM4Speed http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-305288 DialM4Speed Tue, 03 Apr 2007 23:10:34 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-305288 I know hippies will buy this crap but will normal people? It's a glorified golf cart!! There's one positive to it I guess, when you get hit it can also serve as your casket! I know hippies will buy this crap but will normal people? It’s a glorified golf cart!! There’s one positive to it I guess, when you get hit it can also serve as your casket!

]]> By: beatusmongous http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-304969 beatusmongous Mon, 02 Apr 2007 20:09:19 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-304969 I'm in the market for one. Currently, I own a Nissan Quest, which I love. But, I don't need to drive a big minivan that seats seven to work everyday. I'm not carpooling. There is no need for that much seating in order for me to go to work. However, there is a need for my wife to have it, since we have two kids and will have more coming along soon. She also carries a lot of big things, like strollers and bags and photo gear. What I need is a commuter car; something with good gas mileage and that is practical and safe for me. "But wait," some of you may say, "you can get much more car for the same money? Why waste it on a Smart?" Because you can't get more car for the same money. You can get a bigger car, yes. But we all know that bigger doesn't mean more. Why do people buy Escalades when a Suburban is cheaper? Is it because the Escalade is bigger? Nope. It's because the Escalade is better. I haven't driven the Smart yet, but I will next week. I have sat in one, though, and I will say that the driver seat area (the only area I care about) is much more spacious compared to Yaris, Fit, Prius, tC, Versa and Mini (I have driven all of these cars, and liked the Mini best). It is very easy to get in and out of the ForTwo, as there is little climbing and bending. It just feels right. The features of the car are quite cool, too. You can purchase new body panels, so if someone smashes your door, you can replace the body panels and have a car that looks brand new. You can even buy different colored panels, and drive a different colored car every day if you wish. All those other cars previously mentioned do not have that feature. Also, there roof is transparent and tinted, so you can see the sky at all times. The stereo is really nice, and you can buy optional phone and iPod integration for it. Everything retracts, including cup holders, so that they aren't in the way when you don't need them, and the interior is very comfortable and well designed. Nothing feels cheap. Also, remember that this car is built buy Diamler-Chrysler, and the one that I sat in has a Mercedes logo on it. Mercedes and Chrysler are not known for being a rough riding car, and as the owner of the ForTwo that I sat in tells me, "This car rides like a Mercedes." Those are his words. I cannot say at this time if the ride in a ForTwo is better than a Yaris or similar, because I have not yet driven a ForTwo. I have driven all of those other cars I mentioned earlier, though. If you want, I will post again once I have. A client of mine owns the one I sat in, and he is going to let me test drive it. As far as safety, I feel safe in almost any car I drive. This is partly because our government has strict safety standars for manufacturers meaning they must meet certain specifications or they cannot be sold here, and partly because I am a very alert driver and am aware of the others on the road. I know that will not help in EVERY situation, but it will help. So will the Tridion cell, and so will the seat belts and airbags. Bigger doesn't always mean safer, either. I've seen many Smart crash test videos, and while they do bounce, there is a lot of absorption going on there. I mean, if the thing bounced like a golf ball, don't you think it would completely reverse directions and go at least 60mph backwards? Looks to me like it absorbed much of the impact and slid along the wall. Id rather have that happen to me, and have my airbags and seatbelt keep me in place, than have my legs and most of my body crushed by the engine of my larger car, which is what happens in most accidents. Heck, the Formula-1 and Indy cars are much safer than most other race cars because of the fact that they fly apart and have little mass, and therefore little momentum. Sure, the bounce in the video was drastic, but I don't plan on going 70 mph in a ForTwo, and I especially don't plan on hitting any walls at that speed or any other speed. Just to add to Europerspective's point when he said, "People pay more for smaller computers, smaller cameras and smaller cars," I feel that the Smart is a good value because no corners are cut in order to reduce cost. Granted, it's tiny, but it's not a cheap car. I’m in the market for one.

Currently, I own a Nissan Quest, which I love. But, I don’t need to drive a big minivan that seats seven to work everyday. I’m not carpooling. There is no need for that much seating in order for me to go to work. However, there is a need for my wife to have it, since we have two kids and will have more coming along soon. She also carries a lot of big things, like strollers and bags and photo gear. What I need is a commuter car; something with good gas mileage and that is practical and safe for me.

“But wait,” some of you may say, “you can get much more car for the same money? Why waste it on a Smart?”

Because you can’t get more car for the same money. You can get a bigger car, yes. But we all know that bigger doesn’t mean more. Why do people buy Escalades when a Suburban is cheaper? Is it because the Escalade is bigger? Nope. It’s because the Escalade is better.

I haven’t driven the Smart yet, but I will next week. I have sat in one, though, and I will say that the driver seat area (the only area I care about) is much more spacious compared to Yaris, Fit, Prius, tC, Versa and Mini (I have driven all of these cars, and liked the Mini best). It is very easy to get in and out of the ForTwo, as there is little climbing and bending. It just feels right. The features of the car are quite cool, too. You can purchase new body panels, so if someone smashes your door, you can replace the body panels and have a car that looks brand new. You can even buy different colored panels, and drive a different colored car every day if you wish. All those other cars previously mentioned do not have that feature. Also, there roof is transparent and tinted, so you can see the sky at all times. The stereo is really nice, and you can buy optional phone and iPod integration for it. Everything retracts, including cup holders, so that they aren’t in the way when you don’t need them, and the interior is very comfortable and well designed. Nothing feels cheap.

Also, remember that this car is built buy Diamler-Chrysler, and the one that I sat in has a Mercedes logo on it. Mercedes and Chrysler are not known for being a rough riding car, and as the owner of the ForTwo that I sat in tells me, “This car rides like a Mercedes.” Those are his words.

I cannot say at this time if the ride in a ForTwo is better than a Yaris or similar, because I have not yet driven a ForTwo. I have driven all of those other cars I mentioned earlier, though. If you want, I will post again once I have. A client of mine owns the one I sat in, and he is going to let me test drive it.

As far as safety, I feel safe in almost any car I drive. This is partly because our government has strict safety standars for manufacturers meaning they must meet certain specifications or they cannot be sold here, and partly because I am a very alert driver and am aware of the others on the road. I know that will not help in EVERY situation, but it will help. So will the Tridion cell, and so will the seat belts and airbags. Bigger doesn’t always mean safer, either. I’ve seen many Smart crash test videos, and while they do bounce, there is a lot of absorption going on there. I mean, if the thing bounced like a golf ball, don’t you think it would completely reverse directions and go at least 60mph backwards? Looks to me like it absorbed much of the impact and slid along the wall. Id rather have that happen to me, and have my airbags and seatbelt keep me in place, than have my legs and most of my body crushed by the engine of my larger car, which is what happens in most accidents. Heck, the Formula-1 and Indy cars are much safer than most other race cars because of the fact that they fly apart and have little mass, and therefore little momentum. Sure, the bounce in the video was drastic, but I don’t plan on going 70 mph in a ForTwo, and I especially don’t plan on hitting any walls at that speed or any other speed.

Just to add to Europerspective’s point when he said, “People pay more for smaller computers, smaller cameras and smaller cars,” I feel that the Smart is a good value because no corners are cut in order to reduce cost. Granted, it’s tiny, but it’s not a cheap car.

]]> By: europerspective http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303884 europerspective Sun, 25 Mar 2007 09:25:14 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303884 If you need a low-end economy car, go buy a Kia, and stop torturing yourself on this site. The Smart car is not a low-end car. Its not marketed to budget-oriented buyers, its for people who choose to buy a small car for convenience, and who don't mind paying extra for style. Think of it in terms of the Radford Minis from the 60's. . What kind of statement is "cars in this price range are supposed to be a good value" (apart from a gramatically flawed one)? Is there some rule book somewhere which defines what cars are supposed to be by price bracket? If so it needs rewriting because Smart have had success with this car by putting compactness and style above low price and ever-increasing-size on the priority list. . People pay more for smaller computers, smaller cameras and smaller cars. If you need a low-end economy car, go buy a Kia, and stop torturing yourself on this site. The Smart car is not a low-end car. Its not marketed to budget-oriented buyers, its for people who choose to buy a small car for convenience, and who don’t mind paying extra for style. Think of it in terms of the Radford Minis from the 60′s.
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What kind of statement is “cars in this price range are supposed to be a good value” (apart from a gramatically flawed one)? Is there some rule book somewhere which defines what cars are supposed to be by price bracket? If so it needs rewriting because Smart have had success with this car by putting compactness and style above low price and ever-increasing-size on the priority list.
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People pay more for smaller computers, smaller cameras and smaller cars.

]]> By: buyj3llo http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303871 buyj3llo Sat, 24 Mar 2007 20:35:49 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303871 when you're buying a car, there are more important things than "being stared at". espicially if you're getting a low-end, economy car. Cars in this price range are suppose to be a good value; not some fashion accesory go-kart. when you’re buying a car, there are more important things than “being stared at”. espicially if you’re getting a low-end, economy car. Cars in this price range are suppose to be a good value; not some fashion accesory go-kart.

]]> By: norby413 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303823 norby413 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 22:33:55 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303823 Nobody stares at you when you drive by in your Yaris. EVERYONE stares at you when you drive by in a Smart. Nobody stares at you when you drive by in your Yaris.
EVERYONE stares at you when you drive by in a Smart.

]]> By: europerspective http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303796 europerspective Fri, 23 Mar 2007 20:08:11 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303796 Toyota Yaris has no style Toyota Yaris has no style

]]> By: buyj3llo http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303705 buyj3llo Fri, 23 Mar 2007 01:56:47 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303705 saw one of these in orlando florida, still don't understand it. toyota yaris destroys it in almost every category for $1000 less. gas milage is nice, but it just needs more features ( or a lower price). saw one of these in orlando florida, still don’t understand it. toyota yaris destroys it in almost every category for $1000 less. gas milage is nice, but it just needs more features ( or a lower price).

]]> By: Get Real http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303624 Get Real Thu, 22 Mar 2007 18:38:48 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303624 Costs $3,000 too much for the market. Costs $3,000 too much for the market.

]]> By: jonmiles http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303580 jonmiles Thu, 22 Mar 2007 15:33:37 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303580 NO ONE is going to buy this as a "novelty". Driving a golf cart anywhere else besides the country club is NOT COOL, and NEVER will be. The only reason this car exists in the first place is because of it's FUNCTION. IF ITS NOT INEXPENSIVE- WHATS THE POINT? NO ONE is going to buy this as a “novelty”. Driving a golf cart anywhere else besides the country club is NOT COOL, and NEVER will be. The only reason this car exists in the first place is because of it’s FUNCTION. IF ITS NOT INEXPENSIVE- WHATS THE POINT?

]]> By: Fatstrat http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303569 Fatstrat Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:36:33 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303569 Also, as this and/or variations of the Smart car have been in use in Europe for some time now, there must be plenty of crash data and aftermath photos. Those would be interesting to see. Also, as this and/or variations of the Smart car have been in use in Europe for some time now, there must be plenty of crash data and aftermath photos. Those would be interesting to see.

]]> By: Fatstrat http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303567 Fatstrat Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:34:46 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303567 Thats pretty funny eurospective. :-) probably worth every dime to the rich guy as well lol. Hey, I never claimed to be an automotive engineer, I am just a lowest of the low electrical engineer with no special knowledge of crash science. But I think my perspective is rational. Kudos to the designers to eliminate structural intrusion, but impact forces have to be absorbed. What I want to know is how is this done? We all understand how structural dissipation absorbs so much impact energy in a race car. What happens when there is no or very little structure to dissipate those forces? I suppose I am asking the question rather than trying to hang the 'unsafe at any speed' label on the car. IMHO it is a valid concern. Thats pretty funny eurospective. :-) probably worth every dime to the rich guy as well lol.

Hey, I never claimed to be an automotive engineer, I am just a lowest of the low electrical engineer with no special knowledge of crash science. But I think my perspective is rational. Kudos to the designers to eliminate structural intrusion, but impact forces have to be absorbed. What I want to know is how is this done?
We all understand how structural dissipation absorbs so much impact energy in a race car. What happens when there is no or very little structure to dissipate those forces? I suppose I am asking the question rather than trying to hang the ‘unsafe at any speed’ label on the car.
IMHO it is a valid concern.

]]> By: europerspective http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303550 europerspective Thu, 22 Mar 2007 08:08:47 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303550 Safety freaks may be interested to know that they float very well too. I saw the crew of a 60m sailing yacht trying to drive one into the starboard lazarette from an inflatable purpose-designed raft in Monaco a few years ago. . It would have been an impressive feat except that as the car drove onto the folding steel ramps to go onto the yacht a small swell rocked the raft; being inflatable it sagged on the leeward side and the car started to roll. The crew tried and failed to stabilise it, the windward side of the raft started to lift and the gathered crowd had a good laugh watching the little runabout gently roll into the sea! . The whole excercise was pointless showmanship, why would the owner go through a half-hour excercise to launch his Smart Car when he had a very nice Bentley parked on the quay? Presumably he kept a car on board for when he wanted to go ashore somewhere where one can't rent a car, like at a remote beach, which the Smart Car wouldn't be able to drive up anyway. . It would have looked cool if it had worked though, and the owner looked seemed to be having as much fun as anyone as he bowed and joined the crowd laughing at his little Smart Car bobbing around Port Hercule while the crew used one of the tenders to keep it from bumping into any of the other yachts. Safety freaks may be interested to know that they float very well too. I saw the crew of a 60m sailing yacht trying to drive one into the starboard lazarette from an inflatable purpose-designed raft in Monaco a few years ago.
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It would have been an impressive feat except that as the car drove onto the folding steel ramps to go onto the yacht a small swell rocked the raft; being inflatable it sagged on the leeward side and the car started to roll. The crew tried and failed to stabilise it, the windward side of the raft started to lift and the gathered crowd had a good laugh watching the little runabout gently roll into the sea!
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The whole excercise was pointless showmanship, why would the owner go through a half-hour excercise to launch his Smart Car when he had a very nice Bentley parked on the quay? Presumably he kept a car on board for when he wanted to go ashore somewhere where one can’t rent a car, like at a remote beach, which the Smart Car wouldn’t be able to drive up anyway.
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It would have looked cool if it had worked though, and the owner looked seemed to be having as much fun as anyone as he bowed and joined the crowd laughing at his little Smart Car bobbing around Port Hercule while the crew used one of the tenders to keep it from bumping into any of the other yachts.

]]> By: Impulsive http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303531 Impulsive Thu, 22 Mar 2007 04:00:07 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303531 That would be Mr. Lazy ... "Kenny". I am only to be referred to as Captain. The video is for him. But it still isn't official NHTSA or whoever to qualify a safety rating, just another crash test (albeit faster than shown in my link). That is one hell of an engineering feat ... and the car is cute too. That would be Mr. Lazy … “Kenny”. I am only to be referred to as Captain.

The video is for him. But it still isn’t official NHTSA or whoever to qualify a safety rating, just another crash test (albeit faster than shown in my link).

That is one hell of an engineering feat … and the car is cute too.

]]> By: norby413 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303526 norby413 Thu, 22 Mar 2007 02:08:37 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303526 Here you go, Capt. Lazy! http://www.metacafe.com/watch/60538/smart_car_crash/ Here you go, Capt. Lazy!

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/60538/smart_car_crash/

]]> By: Impulsive http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303446 Impulsive Wed, 21 Mar 2007 18:33:11 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303446 I repeat, the video I linked is the first I found in a search on the web for "SMART car crash test" ... I only gave the link to show that its Tridion cell design is quite good. In no way should that link be viewed as anything but a simple study in the vehicle's composure in a crash at that speed, nothing more. And I already stated I saw video at the auto show a couple of years ago presenting similar results. I believe the Canadian government must have something as they permitted the sale of this vehicle in the country but I don't care to pursue this any further because I'm not in the market for one. I only responded to address your comment about it becoming a crushed tin can at 75, which I doubt. I repeat, the video I linked is the first I found in a search on the web for “SMART car crash test” … I only gave the link to show that its Tridion cell design is quite good. In no way should that link be viewed as anything but a simple study in the vehicle’s composure in a crash at that speed, nothing more.

And I already stated I saw video at the auto show a couple of years ago presenting similar results. I believe the Canadian government must have something as they permitted the sale of this vehicle in the country but I don’t care to pursue this any further because I’m not in the market for one.

I only responded to address your comment about it becoming a crushed tin can at 75, which I doubt.

]]> By: Random Jerk http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303415 Random Jerk Wed, 21 Mar 2007 15:28:21 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303415 I never knew SD had so many crash test engineers! Never mind that this car had to get past the NHTSA and IIHS. "Uh dur - it's small so it must be unsafe uh dur. I'm not an engineer but I play one on LLN". It always comes from the same morons as well.... I never knew SD had so many crash test engineers!

Never mind that this car had to get past the NHTSA and IIHS. “Uh dur – it’s small so it must be unsafe uh dur. I’m not an engineer but I play one on LLN”.

It always comes from the same morons as well….

]]> By: Kenny W http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303413 Kenny W Wed, 21 Mar 2007 15:18:53 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303413 Impulsive, I'm not questioning where this car will be driven, but rather the scientific process of the crash test. 1) It was not a very scientific crash & they have no data to show nor compare the results to other cars. 2) We don't get any real idea as to how the occupants would have fared. In such a small car what happens to the occupants legs? 3) The wall moved decreasing the energy absorbed by the Smart. I find its performance to be impressive, but would like to see more standardized tests done as opposed to a random test done on fifth gear (I think that's what show it was). I'd have to see a full assortment of IIHS & NHSTA tests before I'd buy this vehicle and I know others would as well. It's diminutive size forces one to question its safety & one video can't quench that concern. I'm not arguing for the sake of it, but because I still have many questions that I'd have to get answered before I'd declare this a "safe" car. Impulsive,
I’m not questioning where this car will be driven, but rather the scientific process of the crash test.
1) It was not a very scientific crash & they have no data to show nor compare the results to other cars.
2) We don’t get any real idea as to how the occupants would have fared. In such a small car what happens to the occupants legs?
3) The wall moved decreasing the energy absorbed by the Smart.

I find its performance to be impressive, but would like to see more standardized tests done as opposed to a random test done on fifth gear (I think that’s what show it was). I’d have to see a full assortment of IIHS & NHSTA tests before I’d buy this vehicle and I know others would as well. It’s diminutive size forces one to question its safety & one video can’t quench that concern. I’m not arguing for the sake of it, but because I still have many questions that I’d have to get answered before I’d declare this a “safe” car.

]]> By: Fatstrat http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303408 Fatstrat Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:32:49 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303408 Based only on the video some have referenced here and the crash data I have read I believe that this car will be less safe than most. While it is innovative in how it negates structural intrusion into the passenger cavity, modern cars actually depend on deformation to absorb energy in an collision. The structure of this car does not deform which is good, but because of that it also must releast the impact energy in other ways. The S class vs. Smart video shows the smart rebounding much like a golf ball does when it hits pavement. Even at moderate speeds there will be secondary impacts and 'G' loaded changes of direction that will be quite violent to the occupants. Being a 'motorcycle guy' I wont be negative about someone wanting a smaller vehicle. It's just that I know people will expect the same protection they get from their 'normal' vehicles and will cry foul when they dont get it. If you choose to drive it, then accept the risks as your own responsibility. If I had one, I'd be tempted to wear my helmet. :-) By the way, my local media reports that these will be going for $25k here. Based only on the video some have referenced here and the crash data I have read I believe that this car will be less safe than most. While it is innovative in how it negates structural intrusion into the passenger cavity, modern cars actually depend on deformation to absorb energy in an collision. The structure of this car does not deform which is good, but because of that it also must releast the impact energy in other ways. The S class vs. Smart video shows the smart rebounding much like a golf ball does when it hits pavement. Even at moderate speeds there will be secondary impacts and
‘G’ loaded changes of direction that will be quite violent to the occupants.
Being a ‘motorcycle guy’ I wont be negative about someone wanting a smaller vehicle. It’s just that I know people will expect the same protection they get from their ‘normal’ vehicles and will cry foul when they dont get it. If you choose to drive it, then accept the risks as your own responsibility. If I had one, I’d be tempted to wear my helmet. :-)
By the way, my local media reports that these will be going for $25k here.

]]> By: Impulsive http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303401 Impulsive Wed, 21 Mar 2007 12:34:39 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303401 "Kenny", seeing as the market for this car tends to be the urbanite, the odds of many people driving this car at 75 is low. The car is geared toward the city driver who will (hopefully not) encounter situations much like that shown in the link I provided, at worst. I'm sure MB has designed it to possibly equal, if not exceed, the "crashworthiness" of most other vehicles at 75 but I have no inclination to find out if any tests at that speed were done. “Kenny”, seeing as the market for this car tends to be the urbanite, the odds of many people driving this car at 75 is low. The car is geared toward the city driver who will (hopefully not) encounter situations much like that shown in the link I provided, at worst.

I’m sure MB has designed it to possibly equal, if not exceed, the “crashworthiness” of most other vehicles at 75 but I have no inclination to find out if any tests at that speed were done.

]]> By: Kenny W http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303400 Kenny W Wed, 21 Mar 2007 11:56:43 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303400 Impulsive, That was an S-Class, not a unmovable wall & not at 75 mph. So I still question that statement. Thanks, Mr. Lazy Impulsive,
That was an S-Class, not a unmovable wall & not at 75 mph. So I still question that statement.

Thanks,
Mr. Lazy

]]> By: fan http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303396 fan Wed, 21 Mar 2007 07:46:14 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303396 # It's not German, it's made in France! Comment by Bimmer, posted on March20 at 9:03 pm thats not all true. its BUILT in france, but most of the engineering was done in germany... #

It’s not German, it’s made in France!
Comment by Bimmer, posted on March20 at 9:03 pm

thats not all true. its BUILT in france, but most of the engineering was done in germany…

]]> By: fan http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303395 fan Wed, 21 Mar 2007 07:43:17 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303395 the smarts ARE way tougher than they look. dont know how DC does it, but just two days ago, there was a bad crash, with a smart involved, right on my way to work. the other car was a Audi A6, and it was badly damaged. the smart could even still open the doors from what ive seen. i still wouldnt want to have a crash in one of them, but then... i wouldnt want ANY crash at all... the smarts ARE way tougher than they look. dont know how DC does it, but just two days ago, there was a bad crash, with a smart involved, right on my way to work. the other car was a Audi A6, and it was badly damaged. the smart could even still open the doors from what ive seen.

i still wouldnt want to have a crash in one of them, but then… i wouldnt want ANY crash at all…

]]> By: europerspective http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303390 europerspective Wed, 21 Mar 2007 06:21:25 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303390 When is the hybrid coming Daimler-Chrysler? Smart is a division of MB and they claim it has the same level of passive safety as an E-Class, fans (and of course owners) include Stirling Moss, Gordon Murray and David Coulthard. When is the hybrid coming Daimler-Chrysler?
Smart is a division of MB and they claim it has the same level of passive safety as an E-Class, fans (and of course owners) include Stirling Moss, Gordon Murray and David Coulthard.

]]> By: autonutt http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303387 autonutt Wed, 21 Mar 2007 06:06:09 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303387 I wondered how they would price this against normal-sized cars.. and it seems they hit the perfect price point to exclude rational consumers that realize that you can get a more substantial, reliable Versa or Fit for only $2K more. Of course, they will sell every one they bring over to the hip, trendy and status conscious folks that couldn't care less about utility or value for money. I wondered how they would price this against normal-sized cars.. and it seems they hit the perfect price point to exclude rational consumers that realize that you can get a more substantial, reliable Versa or Fit for only $2K more. Of course, they will sell every one they bring over to the hip, trendy and status conscious folks that couldn’t care less about utility or value for money.

]]> By: Impulsive http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303373 Impulsive Wed, 21 Mar 2007 04:28:46 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303373 "doctrsnoop", if you're referring to me as captain, then I'll refer you to my post yesterday, the 20th, at 1:03 pm for the "give" issue. “doctrsnoop”, if you’re referring to me as captain, then I’ll refer you to my post yesterday, the 20th, at 1:03 pm for the “give” issue.

]]> By: lotusfire http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303372 lotusfire Wed, 21 Mar 2007 04:23:08 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303372 Good post, Parakleets. Good post, Parakleets.

]]> By: nowei http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303371 nowei Wed, 21 Mar 2007 04:13:47 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303371 deutschetouring1337: "I'd rather have the Brabus tuned Smart roadster much better." And I'd rather have a bipedal robot that can change into a spaceship, but, to paraphrase one Mister Rumsfeld, "you buy a vehicle with the money you have." deutschetouring1337:
“I’d rather have the Brabus tuned Smart roadster much better.”

And I’d rather have a bipedal robot that can change into a spaceship, but, to paraphrase one Mister Rumsfeld, “you buy a vehicle with the money you have.”

]]> By: doctrsnoop http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303366 doctrsnoop Wed, 21 Mar 2007 03:36:31 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303366 Yes I see that they can build a strong shell and keep the cage intact, but they canna change the laws of physics, captain. The Smart changes direction rapidly where the S class momentum is not nearly as radically changed. The people inside also change direction rapidly and therein lies the problem. I do lament the proliferation of oversized vehicles here in the US, and I certainly do not base my decisions on vehicles based solely on size and/or safety, but I think I wouldn't like to drive this on a freeway here on a routine basis, but only in an urban area where speeds would typically be less than 35mph Yes I see that they can build a strong shell and keep the cage intact, but they canna change the laws of physics, captain. The Smart changes direction rapidly where the S class momentum is not nearly as radically changed. The people inside also change direction rapidly and therein lies the problem.

I do lament the proliferation of oversized vehicles here in the US, and I certainly do not base my decisions on vehicles based solely on size and/or safety, but I think I wouldn’t like to drive this on a freeway here on a routine basis, but only in an urban area where speeds would typically be less than 35mph

]]> By: Impulsive http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303363 Impulsive Wed, 21 Mar 2007 03:16:36 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303363 "Kenny", it's been stated twice on this thread ... once by me and once by "norby" ... but since you're too lazy, here's one link ('cause I'm lazy doing your work for you) showing it bounce off a Benz ... http://www.mobilemag.com/content/100/354/C8232/ Get a clue, do a search and find out for yourself next time. “Kenny”, it’s been stated twice on this thread … once by me and once by “norby” … but since you’re too lazy, here’s one link (’cause I’m lazy doing your work for you) showing it bounce off a Benz … http://www.mobilemag.com/content/100/354/C8232/

Get a clue, do a search and find out for yourself next time.

]]> By: Kenny W http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303355 Kenny W Wed, 21 Mar 2007 02:35:42 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303355 Norby, I'd have to see a link before I'd believe that. At 75mph this thing would get crushed like a tin can. Norby,
I’d have to see a link before I’d believe that. At 75mph this thing would get crushed like a tin can.

]]> By: Bimmer http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303348 Bimmer Wed, 21 Mar 2007 02:03:30 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303348 It's not German, it's made in France! It’s not German, it’s made in France!

]]> By: norby413 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303336 norby413 Wed, 21 Mar 2007 01:08:23 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303336 supercharged, It'll do 90mph. It corners on rails. Its seats 2 with plenty of room and a little cargo. It's cheaper than ANY other car, and safer than any econobox. Try and get your mind around facts. Not everyone needs an Excursion. 1c3d0g, In crash tests with much larger vehicles, it basically bounces off with minimal intrusion to the passenger cell. It has airbags all around. They even ran one into a concrete wall at 75mph (much faster than NHTSA crash tests), and their was no incursion and both doors still opened. supercharged,
It’ll do 90mph. It corners on rails. Its seats 2 with plenty of room and a little cargo. It’s cheaper than ANY other car, and safer than any econobox.
Try and get your mind around facts. Not everyone needs an Excursion.

1c3d0g,
In crash tests with much larger vehicles, it basically bounces off with minimal intrusion to the passenger cell. It has airbags all around.
They even ran one into a concrete wall at 75mph (much faster than NHTSA crash tests), and their was no incursion and both doors still opened.

]]> By: Toy Yoda http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303332 Toy Yoda Wed, 21 Mar 2007 00:39:19 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303332 Yeah, you'd need AC, but you don't need a radio; Just some external speakers and a jack for your ipod-like device. Yeah, you’d need AC, but you don’t need a radio; Just some external speakers and a jack for your ipod-like device.

]]> By: A4 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303331 A4 Wed, 21 Mar 2007 00:08:16 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303331 the brabus version is badass the brabus version is badass

]]> By: 1c3d0g http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303330 1c3d0g Wed, 21 Mar 2007 00:02:50 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303330 Haha...there won't be nothing left of this thing once it hits an F-150 at highway speeds (a common vehilce in North America). Haha…there won’t be nothing left of this thing once it hits an F-150 at highway speeds (a common vehilce in North America).

]]> By: Scott Kempton http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303328 Scott Kempton Tue, 20 Mar 2007 23:47:57 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303328 I think it's overpriced by about $2000. I think a loaded one should be about $12K. If you option it up to $14K or $15K, suddenly you're into the territory of many much larger, respected cars that come standard with a nice stereo, AC, power windows, etc. But maybe they'll sell a bunch of them to young kids in New York and other highly urbanized areas. I think it’s overpriced by about $2000. I think a loaded one should be about $12K. If you option it up to $14K or $15K, suddenly you’re into the territory of many much larger, respected cars that come standard with a nice stereo, AC, power windows, etc. But maybe they’ll sell a bunch of them to young kids in New York and other highly urbanized areas.

]]> By: Supercharged_ http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303324 Supercharged_ Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:46:46 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303324 wow thats a nice golf cart, I sure could....wait its a car??!! HAHA, what a joke. Why would anyone in their right mind get that thing? And at 12 grand, man you could get one heck of a used car for that much instead. That would be a nice toy to play with around the house (eg, go cart) but thats about it. wow thats a nice golf cart, I sure could….wait its a car??!!

HAHA, what a joke. Why would anyone in their right mind get that thing? And at 12 grand, man you could get one heck of a used car for that much instead. That would be a nice toy to play with around the house (eg, go cart) but thats about it.

]]> By: parakleets http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303323 parakleets Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:42:27 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303323 Hey Buenos! While I appreciate your attempt at humor, and understand the point you were trying to make, I find the use of racial slurs and other derogatory slang offensive. As an African-American, who considers himself to be a car enthusiast, I enjoy reading these blogs, and I really like the Leftlane News website. I would hope that I could continue to enjoy this otherwise fine website, and forum, without having to read a word which is degrading, insulting, and painful. Hey Buenos!
While I appreciate your attempt at humor, and understand the point you were trying to make, I find the use of racial slurs and other derogatory slang offensive. As an African-American, who considers himself to be a car enthusiast, I enjoy reading these blogs, and I really like the Leftlane News website. I would hope that I could continue to enjoy this otherwise fine website, and forum, without having to read a word which is degrading, insulting, and painful.

]]> By: norby413 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303321 norby413 Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:26:43 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303321 Its EXACTLY designed for crowded European cities. The parking and manuvering advantages are worth it. You can park 2 in ONE parking spot. So is the mpg (we were seeing 60/hwy,49/city) And talk about getting attention. More people stop and stare at the Smarts than if you were driving a Murcielago Spyder with Eva Longoria in the passenger seat! If they sell them for 12k, it's worth it. There's actually a LOT of engineering in that little thing. I'd much rather be in a Smart in a head on than one of those shitterbox Korean cars. Its EXACTLY designed for crowded European cities. The parking and manuvering advantages are worth it. You can park 2 in ONE parking spot.
So is the mpg (we were seeing 60/hwy,49/city)
And talk about getting attention. More people stop and stare at the Smarts than if you were driving a Murcielago Spyder with Eva Longoria in the passenger seat!
If they sell them for 12k, it’s worth it. There’s actually a LOT of engineering in that little thing. I’d much rather be in a Smart in a head on than one of those shitterbox Korean cars.

]]> By: bousbous55 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303314 bousbous55 Tue, 20 Mar 2007 21:05:39 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303314 People are going to buy this to get around a small town, go to the local coffee shop and such places.. Why does everybody keep saying "well by bigger more massive SUV will crush it" the idea is to reduce traffic congestions in towns that a car like this might actually make a difference. its not for people that drive on eight lane highways daily. This car is for people who just want a fun little car, its not a bargain. That’s what the scions and kia’s are for. People are going to buy this to get around a small town, go to the local coffee shop and such places.. Why does everybody keep saying “well by bigger more massive SUV will crush it” the idea is to reduce traffic congestions in towns that a car like this might actually make a difference. its not for people that drive on eight lane highways daily. This car is for people who just want a fun little car, its not a bargain. That’s what the scions and kia’s are for.

]]> By: RLX02 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303313 RLX02 Tue, 20 Mar 2007 21:02:33 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303313 TOM-F yeah they've been selling them since '06 here. They're parked in the BMW parking lot in auburn near the EQC. I drive from south sound to seattle every weekend so I see them all the time... TOM-F

yeah they’ve been selling them since ’06 here. They’re parked in the BMW parking lot in auburn near the EQC. I drive from south sound to seattle every weekend so I see them all the time…

]]> By: Blakkarr http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303311 Blakkarr Tue, 20 Mar 2007 20:42:08 +0000 http://www.leftlanenews.com/daimlerchrysler-prices-us-smart-fortwo-at-12000.html#comment-303311 That thing looks like the escape pod for a Suburban. That little thing may fly in tight urban center like New York, or Chicago. or some such... and not very well, But I live in Texas... Truck country... Cars have to be big to survive out here. As for options, DCX better reconsider for all the reasons others have listed above. You can buy a loaded Kia for just a tick over 12K... I'll pass... That thing looks like the escape pod for a Suburban. That little thing may fly in tight urban center like New York, or Chicago. or some such… and not very well, But I live in Texas… Truck country… Cars have to be big to survive out here.

As for options, DCX better reconsider for all the reasons others have listed above. You can buy a loaded Kia for just a tick over 12K… I’ll pass…

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