not sure about the back, but the front looks good.

If it looks anything like the illustration and teaser there is no hope for this vehicle.

i’ll reserve judgement until i see the “class leading interior”

I don’t understand where this is going. The government that financed Chrysler’s future mandated fuel efficient cars not 6.4 liters hemi. Right or wrong, that was the spirit of billions dollars poured into company. We yet to hear anything about new or even updated fuel efficient models, Chrysler is in dire need to survive, but we do learn about even more fuel inefficient engine. Furthermore 450 ponies out of 6.4 liters do not sound all that innovative or even optimistic, so why bother?

Borat, you surprise me. I can only hope that one day I know half as much as you have forgotten when it comes to government, but do you honestly think they really care what Chrysler sells to pay back the loans? Stick the damn Hemi in a Caliber for all it matters… just show a profit doing it.

Is this a joke? Detroit still using old technology to make big power? I thought the bigger is better philosophy died about 40 years ago. The Europeans and Japanese focus on creating big power from smaller engines while the loser 3 are still using ancient engine building techniques to make big power. Absolutely pathetic. Its shamefull to say you got a 400+ hp car in an over 6litre displacement engine. Porsche has been squeezing out over 400hp with their 6cyl engines without the use of turbo or supercharging. Even Hyundai is building a V8′ under 5litres making close to 400 hp. If Chrysler knw how to build engines the way the japanese and europeans do, the ridiculously large 8.3 litre viper V10 should be producing over 800hp, not the pathetic 500hp its got.

#1 its not an SRT8 in the picture

#2 the twin turbo V6 with MultiAir makes killer power and gets 4 cyl MPG numbers.

#3 The 6.4L HEMI that will power the SRT8 makes 500+HP and gets better fuel economy than the current 425 HP 6.1L

@ excrement_between_my_toes

The Viper makes 650 HP. Bring on your boosted euro junk and we’ll run an endurance race and see which is more reliable. We already know who’s faster around the track.

modo, porche engines are highly regarded for thei durability, they don’t need to be boosted to make the same power as the big v8’s detroit makes. as for domestic durability, youtube is filled with videos of guys in z06 blowing stock engines or tranny’s, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLT7DjnKvnY

but don’t start talking about turbo charged civics blowing up, thats no argument, what do you expect from kids putting turbos into 1.8 litre engines that were never designed for turbo charging, pumping out over 400hp and then tuning them in their parents garage.

Just launched, Viper ACR-X

http://www.allpar.com/news/index.php/2009/12/dodge-launching-sports-car-at-press-conference

at the very least, I am curious how these powertrains end up. there has been a lot of hype to me. they better deliver. oh – and a manual tranny on both of those engines would be excellent! and optional awd with each engine.

orangecones:

Check out Chrysler’s last new product (Dodge) RAM pickups, these truly do have a class leading interior both in terms of design, and materials used. Craplastic interiors were Daimler’s fault.

avenger:
+1

1) That is not a SRT8
2) 6.4L is rated for 525hp

Lookin’ good! Second illustration shows ram’s head logo, hey, it’s a Dodge Charger, not a RAM Charger.

MoDo Thanks,you are right on and correct !

Chrysler has a 5 Year Plan and Econimical Cars are in the for-front. The company’s most popular cars are the Jeep, Charger and the 300 so why would they change what is working for them? The Fiat 500 is only months away so they have a MPG Leader Car and with the Charger they will have a Performance Leader car, that make good business sense doesn’t it?. They are selling the vehicles that people buy and make them money so they can pay back the loan the government gave them. President Obama said he would not direct GM or Chrysler the new HEMI Proves it. Sowith the 6.4L Light Weight HEMI that will get better Economy than the current 5.7L why not?

The Chrysler Five Year Plan (November 2009)
http://www.allpar.com/corporate/chrysler-group/five-year-plan.html

-Sarge

@excrement_between_my_toes

“If Chrysler knw how to build engines the way the japanese and europeans do”

They know how to build them “Better” than the Japanese and the Europeans That is why The Dodge Viper is the World’s Fastest Production Car at “The Ring” !

Viper Is The Fastest Production Car ‘Round the ‘Ring

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2008/08/viper-sets-new/

-Sarge

Looks too similar to the current model, I think the front end should be more like the previous gen Galant with some Dodge dosed into it. It will make the car look evil, sort of retro(The Galant had this split grill thing like the 69 Charger) and sleek. I hope this time the Interior of the Charger’s isn’t exactly like the 300C’s with only a few parts changed

excrement_between_my_toes – You do realize there are still people out there that prefer the old technology to newer stuff. When I go looking for a new car I purposely stay away from the over cam’s and stuff like that. I have owned many cars in the past with overhead cams and they cost more to maintain, than my push rod motors. Old technology is not necessarily bad technology. All you have to do is look at the LS series motors from GM. They are push rod motors, they have cylinder deactivation, variable valve timing and you dont have to worry nearly as much about a timing belt breaking and killing your pistons and valves.

@ AFSOCSARGE

I know, the 300, Charger and Grand Cherokee are all bread and butter cash cows that are right around the corner. The little “lower profit” small cars that will only sell in any true volume if gas prices sky rocket again are on their way and will be class leaders in their respective classes. I am certain of that.

The 500 will be instrumental in getting would-be “domestic haters” into showrooms where they will see that a car like the new ‘11 Charger R/T is a competitor to cars like the Audi S4 in every shape and form, except price.

ajm11 +1

OHV engines are also LIGHTER than their modular OHC torque-less, higher revving, expensive counterparts.

Micheal Jackson had a better nose job, the rest look alright to me though.

I kind of like what’s in the teaser. The back end is really cool, and it looks much more menacing than the current Charger. I, too, would like to see the interior, though.

Is it time for the crosshair grill to finally leave? I guess not. I guess it gives Dodge something to put on all the cars to give it a family look, but maybe they should try something else out now that they are a “new” brand.

I was hoping for more radical lines with sharper edges and a thick tapered C pillar. It will probably have cool taillights, but the roofline looks ordinary… oh well.

Maybe Chrysler can figure out a way to offer interiors other than gray on gray on gray with cheap ugly gray cloth seats? The base interiors on the Chargers and 300’s. look like cheap rental cars.

Oh yeah…this is awesome! Really loving the new rakish body lines.

@Borat – The standard 2011 Charger is expected to get 30 mpg w/ Pentastar V6. The Fiat 500 and other rebadged Fiats coming in 2012 are going to be the gas sipping models. This is all in the 5 year plan. The 2011 Charger/300C were already in the pipeline before the economic collapse/bankruptcy happened and were actually supposed to be 2010 models.

BTW keep an eye out on January 1, 2010 for a possible hint of the new 300C/

“The base interiors on the Chargers and 300’s. look like cheap rental cars”

-That’s because they are

I’ll wait to pass judgement, but I sure hope Dodge drops the cross-hair grille, akin to the Challenger.

Leave that to RAM trucks.

I like this new look better than the old one for sure. Its a little more modern looking, trimmer, sleaker, I know – tighter. It looks more mature. The old one was a bit of a cartoon, especially if you slap on this high impact colors.

Wish it would have a 6-speed option though in the SRT-8. We’ll see.

Class-leading interior is a high bar. I hope they are right. Also, the base V-6 has been reported with 280 hp. With Chevy at 304 and Ford at 305, 280 won’t be much of a selling point.

the 6.4 will get better mpg then the current 6.1L but it will produce less then 500hp. the crate 6.4L can produce over 500hp but this has been modified for fuel economy and emissions so it will be less. and it going to go in to the dodge ram first.

@golfpunk

Chrysler’s 280hp comes with out DI were GM and Ford currently use DI to get those numbers. the 3.6L will be getting DI some time in the future (was not put in the grand Cherokee but is planned) so i would expect the it will put out at or a bit above the competition. The 3.6L may not be standard the 3.3 or 3.0 may be standard with unknown power ratings.

the new tail lights from what i can see look much better then the old, and i’m happy the front still is similar.

Whoa… so much attention for X_B_M_T. The guy either didn’t read the article or is just being a @$$. For pits sake it even says CHRYSLER is replacing the 5.7L Hemi in the R/T with a Turbo six.

I would hope that this T-V6 makes it to the rather hefty CHALLENGER as well. But a paltry 450hp to pit it against the CAMARO SS if not a Z28 (Though I’m hoping for a TT V6 there), and SHELBY MUSTANG GT500s. Still CHRYSLER has shown it can exact good power and remarkable F/econ from a big “old” engine like their stalwart HEMI.

worst 3 – Ford get’s 305 out of the 3.7L in the ‘11 Mustang w/o DI plus gets 30 mpg hwy.

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@jake

Are you sure it dose not use DI, thought I read it did some where, if it dose not I am fairly impressed with ford for that and would like to see a DI version.

not sure how the mustang and Camaro got in this, this is not the Challenger.

Lousy interior’s was Daimler’s fault? Oh please, before they came on to the scene cost cutting was Chysler’s forte, aka, the NEON.

“Chrysler’s 280hp comes with out DI were GM and Ford currently use DI to get those numbers.”

Ford has a non DI engine putting out around 280HP 3.5l.

Personally I’m skeptical of DI due to reliability issues and that stupid 20,000psi fuel pump it requires.

excrement_between_my_toes @ 12/10, 11:12a

You can find ANY car you care to name blowing it’s gaskets of any reason on Youtube. It is no proof of a car’s lack of reliability or durability. Just that someone killed their car. The C5 and C6 CORVETTE has never failed to finish an ALMS, SCCA, or and any sports car endurance race due to engine or transmission failure.

Like the PORSCHE 911, the CORVETTE is highly regarded for being faster, stronger, and almost unrealistically durable. You have to destroy the car to stop it. But any car can be killed if abused and/or poorly maintained.

Also your linked video says nothing of the situation, what happened after, not even the place of incident. But just looking it was possible this was a race driving school (note: No one in the SUBARU was wearing a racing suit and had matching generic helmets.) that did not maintain the car properly and blew it out on a missed shift. The Engine did not seize up either, he slammed on his brakes locking the wheels causing the spin.

Sprockkets
I was talking about the over 300hp engines needing DI, but as jake said the 3.7 dose not need DI witch i thought it did.

Its trues sprockkets, the low grade interiors started showing up under Daimler’s control. All of my pre-Daimler Chryslers had fantastic interiors on par with their competitors. You’re saying “cost cutting was Chrylser’s forte” based just on your opinion of the Neon. Apparently you never checked out Chrysler’s higher end cars. As for the new Charger, I for one cant wait to see the new design.

Daimler still cost cuts their interiors. Go sit in a new C-class. When you see how cheap it is, then the Avenger and Sebring start to make sense considering they are all C segment but the Dodge / Chrysler ones cost 1/3 of the C-class Mercedes.

Hopefully this will be the first Chrysler product to have a good interior in the past decade. But I agree big engines are going the way of the past, they weigh the car down too much, will require more heavy duty suspension and brakes, don’t offer the power to weight ratio efficiently. I love muscle cars and V8’s but I have settled that the muscle era is over and imports with small V6’s are beating muscle cars with massive engines now.

tyler_is_aero_tt – Comparing newer cars with 6 cylinder engines that can beat older cars with big V8 engines is not really that fair a comparison. There are many many differences. For one, most newer engines including V8’s are aluminum blocks and have aluminum Cylinder heads. Something that was very rare back in the 60’s and 70’s. Other things to take into consideration is the tires that are a vehicle. No matter how much power a car has, it wont matter if you can not get it to the pavement.

Just a general question for people to think about. How much would an aluminum block V8 with a push rod engine design weigh vs an aluminum block V8 overhead cam engine weigh. People go on about the bigger engines weigh more, where is the proof. Compare apples to apples, V8 new tech and V8 old tech. Don’t go comparing a old tech V8 to a new V6. Of course the 6 cylinder should be lighter. I will stick to my current LS1 v8. It is not high tech, but it definitely has very usable power. I don’t have to rev it to the red line in order to get my truck to move.

Back around 1990 GM had random people and executives drive 2 identical black Corvettes and then answer a questionair after driving both.

One had a prototype DOHC V8 and the other had what is now known as the LS1. The one that got the most votes won.

The LS1 cleaned house. Most responsive, most low end torque (DOHC engines need more RPMs and almost always make their peak power at stupidly high RPM levels never seen on the street).

“By looking at the wheel, tire and brake packages, we’re pretty confident that this prototype is the hot rod SRT8 variant powered by a monstrous 6.4-liter Hemi V8.”

Actually, those are current R/T (29R) wheel-and-tire combos…can’t see the brakes, but I would venture to guess that Mule is an R/T, not an SRT8.

Yomama, you could be right. Those are the same chrome-clad 20″ wheels on the current R/T chargers and challengers. But maybe they just slapped those on for testing sake? I’d be surprised if that test mule had a twin turbo V-6 instead of a 6.4 hemi.

The current car is in serious need of a major overhaul. It is starting to look very dated after being on the market for the last 5 ti suex years without any substantial styling or interior updates. If it looks anything like those teaser shots from a couple of weeks ago I am going to be very disappointed. Eventhough I have no plans on purchasing one they could do better. They need to bring over some Italian designers to inject some new style into their priducts pronto & stop rehashing in the retro themed vehicles. Give us something 21st century with some much needed new style.

Buy USA,
your comment about chryco’s five year plan reminded me of hitler’s five year plans to take over the world.

MoDo and ajm11, dont forget that the ls1 was also a very fuel efficient vehicle when it had the 6-speed. 04 gto’s and vettes were rated 29mpg hwy with the 6 speed tranny, but just 21 or so with the 4-speed auto.

“With a sweeping character line reminiscent of the 1999 Dodge Charger Concept, the car is expected to combine qualities of the present retro model with the more modern show car that preceded it. ”

Uhhh, yeahh, calling the car that’s currently being sold under the name “charger” retro in any way other than the name is like calling a donkey a horse.

I don’t know what LLN is smoking but it must be good. Dodge has been quoted as saying it would combine the current look of the car with the look of of the 1968 to 1970 chargers. From what I can see, it was about a 10 percent retro, 90 percent current, aka junk, ratio.

Lose the truck grill. Fix the door indent (ie make it twin indents) and lose the back doors.

You want retro, that’s the only way to get it. You can’t go half way on something like that, it either is retro, or it isn’t. Make up your mind Dodge, and stop letting me (and thousand of other potential buyers) down.

Oh, and people don’t buy muscle cars for their fuel economy, they buy them because they’re muscle cars.

jzcarguy – So what you are saying is the LS1 is not feul efficient with an Automatic? I can not really say for certain about what it is like for a car as I have never owned a car with an LS1 in it. I do however own a 3/4 automatic Chev Silverado 4×4 with the 6.0L in it and 4.10 gears. I get on average roughly 15mpg with that beast. If I had a 6 speed I am sure I would be doing a lot better on fuel economy. That being said, do you honestly think the 04 GTO would do a lot better on fuel economy if you dropped a double overhead cam V8 into it rather than an LS1 with those two transmissions? Probably not. You would probably see the exact same result as it is the transmissions lack of extra gears that is causing the excessive burn of fuel as both of the motors are the same.

I agree, the technology behind the LS1 isn’t the most modern, but I am saying that the LS1 is a fuel efficient vehicle in certain vehicles with the right transmission. Obviously in a heavy 4×4 truck with a 4 or 5 speed auto, fuel efficiency isn’t going to be great, and if you need a truck, you don’t expect great fuel efficiency, you need an adequate amount of power. I do not know the exact gearing, etc, but I just know the stats on gas mileage for the gto and the vette. So theoretically, if they put the same gearing as the 6-speed manual in a new 6-speed auto, shouldn’t the gas mileage still be roughly the same? I don’t claim to be an expert, but I think that makes sense. Once again, the LS1 isn’t the most advanced engine, but even if they didn’t change a thing and offered camaro with a middle option between the 300hp v6 and 420hp v8 wouldn’t that be tempting. How about a 350hp camaro with 29mpg with a 6-speed and a sweet sounding v8?

jzcarguy – Your logic is pretty sound actually. An automatic with the same gearing should get similar gas mileage all things being equal. And yes, a 350hp Camaro with a 6 speed and a v8 would be cool. But in the end the mid model Camaro will be the SS when the Z28 comes back with a 554hp (I think) Supercharged v8 from the CTS-V.

Yeah, that does sound about right. It would have been cool to me to see an all v8 lineup for the camaro! You would sacrifice 1 or so mpg for an extra 50 ponies and an extra 2 cylinders and probably a little extra weight too, but still… It’s not like this is expensive new technology either. Just pull out the history book and fire up the old factory. But oh well. 300hp v6 with a 6-speed and 29mpg isn’t bad either. I just hope dodge can keep up!

Those working at Chrysler//Dodge etc., are going to have to learn to keep their mouths shut when it comes to how great they think their future cars are going to be. First it was, “Chrysler is going to be a notch above Cadillac!”. And now they tell us that the new Charger will have, “….class leading interiors!” You know something? YOU don’t tell people that you’re ‘class leading’ or a ‘notch above’. They are supposed to tell YOU that. The moment a beautiful looking woman [Or man - for that matter] tells YOU that THEY are beautiful – is the very moment you start to see their flaws. [One of which is a lack of humility] And the exact same principle applies to THINGS.

“Highly Competitive” would have been the correct phrase. Who knows? Maybe it will be class leading.

@UH60L

You can’t argue the job they did with the Challenger though.

This new charger looks incredible front to back, and I believe that it has the leading class interior, once they come out I’m going to purchase probably three of them. (R/T, Daytona, SRT8). They did a good job on the looks. I hope theres an optional manual tranny’s available along with their new performance changes.

whoa there fellas…… Ford is one of the BIG3 and they have a 5.0 liter 32v engine called the coyote with 419hp/390 tq. thats more than the lexus IS-F. So leave ford out of the big 3 discussion. the 3.7 eco-boost with 365hp can be tune-only to 400+hp. chev and dodge are in the stone age, not ford.

-assasinator
96 stang gt
500rwhp forged 4.6 32v
80mm .56 trim turbo